I want to break Free

[astroboy]

No sir , he is jobless . Does nothing.

[swamykool]

Astroboy,

I see, one of those blabbermouth intellectuals, who usually chickens out when it comes to walking the talk. The Lady is Mesh lagna too...marry in haste..repent at leisure.

swamykool

[astroboy]

Shuchi Ji ,

Note the exaltation of Rahu . Another point is that Shukra sits in the 10th along with the 9th lord , forming a dharma Karmadhipathi yoga . Rahu will give Shukra's effects also .

So does that mean that the Guru-Chandal yoga in my chart is somewhat weak? What are the effects of Shukra that Rahu can give? Being Datya Guru Shukra also gives some spiritual inclinations but I believe that Shukra is more about fun...wouldn't it reduce strength of dharma Karmadhipathi yoga?

The more I try to learn the intricacies of Vedic Astrology the more confused I am becoming. I look forward for a reply.

Rahu is working on a higher plane , so yes The yoga is weak . Rahu will first give chandra's effects . Chandra is in the 12th , hence the spiritual inclination in Rahu dasha . Shukra is fun , But since he is with the 9th and 12th lord ( spirituality and renunciation ) the fun element is dull and numb

Best regard's

[astroboy]

Swamy Cool Ji , you hit the nail in the head . Full points to you . . A apt description of the Moron .

[swamykool]

Astroboy,

Thank you. And this thread is going full swing..congrats to you.

swamykool

[nidi83]

Good morning Astroboy. Congrats. Yes the thread is going full swing. However the very essense of the thread is lost. Guess it was discussed to the hilt anyway. Thank you for posting it in the first place.

Thanking you,

Nidi

[astroboy]

Thank you Swamy cool ji, Nidhi ji and all who have contributed to this thread .

[astroboy]

The so called renunciates who should be shot in public

Richard Roger Lavigne is a former priest of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Springfield in Massachusetts. Lavigne has been at the center of the priest abuse scandal in the Diocese of Springfield in Massachusetts with about 40 claims of sexual abuse of minors placed against him. The Diocese has paid out large cash settlements to numerous people purported to have been molested by Lavigne.

He was removed from the ministry in 1991. He pleaded guilty to two counts of child sexual abuse on June 26, 1992 and was the only suspect named in the unsolved 1972 murder of 13-year-old Danny Croteau of Springfield, Massachusetts. In 1994, DNA tests failed to link Lavigne to the Croteau murder and the Hampden County District Attorney William Bennett did not bring any charges against Lavigne in that case. Lavigne was removed from the ranks of the clergy by the Vatican on 20 November 2003. Lavigne has registered as a sex offender and currently resides in Chicopee, Massachusetts.

Lavigne, Richard
born on 18 February 1941 at 23:00 (= 11:00 PM )
Place Chicopee MA, USA, 42n09, 72w37
Timezone EST h5w (is standard time)
Rodden Rating AA

[astroboy]

For the benefit of the readers , i shall explain what it takes to become a Roman Catholic priest . In India the training lasts for about 14 years , but in the U.S.A. appart from a basic degree ,

Jesuit training is based on the experiences and life of St. Ignatius. The average length of Jesuit formation is about 10 years, depending on background and course of studies.

•The novitiate is the first stage of Jesuit formation and novices begin to learn through experience about the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience as lived in a community setting. He learns the traditions, rules and expectations of the Society of Jesus. During this time he makes the Spiritual Exercises in a 30-day retreat and engages in a variety of “experiments,” such as serving the poor, the elderly, and teaching children. At the end of this two-year period of prayer, work and study, he pronounces perpetual vows of poverty, chastity and obedience either as a brother or as a scholastic who will prepare for priestly ordination.

•With these vows Jesuit scholastics and brothers normally begin a three-year period of philosophy and theology studies. If the man has not yet received a bachelor’s degree, he studies for that at this time. He may also be asked to use this time to begin graduate work in a field of specialization. In the United States, there are three Jesuit First Studies programs: Fordham University (New York City), Loyola University (Chicago), and St. Louis University (St. Louis).Regency is the next stage of formation. The Jesuit works for two or three years in a Jesuit school or other approved ministry while he lives in a Jesuit community.

•After regency, Jesuit scholastics begin an intensive three-year study of theology which leads to priestly ordination. In the United States, the Jesuits study theology at the Jesuit School of Theology in Berkeley, California and the Boston College School of Theology and Ministry in Massachusetts. This may be followed either by full-time apostolic work or specialized studies.

•After completing his theological studies and some years of ministry, the Jesuit completes his formal formation of prayer, guidance and studies with tertianship, a time of spiritual renewal and ministry with the poor. After the tertianship period, the Jesuit is called to final vows in the Society of Jesus.

[Zarna]

Good day to you astroboyJi,
I hve jst read abt your interest in occult science & jst hve a thought to put something abt theosophical society.I dont know more but jst want to post something to aid in this thread.This society is worldwide & his head quarter is at Adyar,chennai,Tamilnadu.whould you or anybody please put some light on this theory?The first chair person Annie becent was also involved in Indian freedom movement.Anybody here have such experiences of occult science?
Thank you very much in anticipation..
here the link for more information:http://www.ts-adyar.org/content/about-ts
Thanks & Regards,
Jai shree Krishna.
Zarna

[Zarna]

Good day sir ,

Beautiful observation . Check this out .

This is a very curious thing I have noticed about Guru-Chandal yoga regarding women (this factor doesn't apply to men in my experience). Guru by traditional wisdom is the Karaka for the first husband of a woman (Shani is the karaka for the 2nd). If Guru is with Rahu or in the Nakshatra of Rahu in a womans chart, she developes a fascination for offbeat/unconventional/weak (needs continuous pampering and ego massage) and sometimes cowardly kind of males and she usually chooses a wayward/irresponsible/hypocritical/scheming/usually worthless or extremely unsuitable person as her first husband. The first marriage is usually from unhappy/unsatisfactory to a total disaster. However whether it will break apart is dependent on other factors. This is however more preponderent with Rahu...I'm not so sure about Ketu.

A wonderful woman who married the most useless man on earth ( what ever I have underlined is essentially him ). Marriage broke up within 4 years . The lagna is Mesha, Guru is in the 7th in Swati Nakshatra . .

Astroboy Ji,
M I another example of such Guru-chandal effect?My details:18/3/1980,1:45PM,Sawarkundla,Amreli,Gujarat.
Thanks & regards,
Jai Shree Krishna,
Zarna

[kandhan]

" When Guru is with Rahu or Ketu , combust , retrograde , and debilitated, in the Nakshatra of Rahu or Ketu , or if Rahu and Ketu are in the Rashi of Guru the yoga is formed . The person will then be a athiest , hold a extremist view of religion , will sometimes dismiss God's existance , will refuse to accept the sacred texts , and will form his own views on religion, will not follow the rituals and reject the prescribed forms of Worship ."

So True. Except, imo, retrograde cases should be considered slightly differently. there is probability of a U turn/twist in these cases. thats been my personal experience.


One can see also this in charts of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Sri Ramana Maharishi.

Ramana Maharishi definitely did not emphasise tradition, ritual etc although he did not oppose any one who followed it.

[astroboy]

Zarna ji , please note my previous posts where I have asked the reader to decide for them selves if the Guru Chandala Yoga is a Good or a Bad yoga ??

first of all we must understand what a Chandala is . Strictly speaking, a Chandala is a person who performs the task of burying the dead humans and other creatures . Simple as that .


The yoga does exist in your horoscope by definition , and a strong one at that . Guru is Retro with two malefics in Ketu's nakshatra and to make it worse , within 4 degrees of Rahu . Now the point is , Rahu and Ketu are exalted in the Navamsha. This could be a saving grace . I will leave you to interpret the yoga and tell me if it has affected you or not .

Best regard's
deepak .

[astroboy]

Good day Kandan ji,

In Ramakrishna Paramahamsa's case Guru is in Ardra Nakshatra and Retrograde . How ever Rahu is in exaltation and his dispositor is again in exaltation . Still , Ramakrishna delved into the Left hand path and also practiced Sufi Sadhana . Both these paths are not pure religion by existing standards of those times . But let me ask ........... what is pure religion ??? . There is no definition for it , is there ??


Best regard's

[roseyrose]

Astroboy,

I maybe asking something which may not be acceptable but i believe that you would be able to answer it without any emotional /mental/knowledge bias so to say...

Why is it that Christianity has as its main symbol /deity , a man who is going to be dead or is dead already ? and that also on a cross ?

As must be , everything has a beginning and end but I have never seen such a popular adoption of the symbol of death in any other religion so to say.....baptisms,weddings every new beginning is celebrated in front of this idol and so is this an indication of ashes to ashes, dust to dust reminder ?

There is a symbolism which i fail to grasp and when ever i go to a church , i tyr to read his face but i fail miserably......

rose

[astroboy]

Good day Rosy rose ,


rosy Rose , a brilliant question . You must understand what the cross is all about . The cross was a device for torture whose capacity to deliver pain was unparalled , perhaps may be the Iron Maiden , or impalment . The act of nailing one to a cross is called a Crucifixion.

Literally, Crucifixion is an ancient method of painful execution in which the condemned person is tied or nailed to a large wooden cross (of various shapes) and left to hang until dead. The term comes from the Latin crucifixio ("fixing to a cross", from the prefix cruci-, from crux ("cross"), + verb figere, "fix or bind fast".) . Crucifixion was often performed to terrorize and dissuade the onlookers from perpetrating the crimes punishable by it. Victims were left on display after death as warnings. Crucifixion was usually intended to provide a death that was particularly slow, painful (hence the term excruciating, literally "out of crucifying"), gruesome, humiliating, and public, using whatever means were most expedient for that goal.

While a crucifixion was an execution, it was also a humiliation till the man on the cross died . By making the condemned as vulnerable as possible. Although artists have depicted the figure on a cross with a loin cloth or a covering of the genitals, in reality the victims were crucified completely nude. When the victim had to urinate or defecate, they had to do so in the open, in view of passers-by, resulting in discomfort and the attraction of insects. Despite its frequent use by the Romans, the horrors of crucifixion did not escape mention by some of their eminent orators. Cicero for example, in a speech that appears to have been an early bid for its abolition, described crucifixion as "a most cruel and disgusting punishment", and suggested that "the very mention of the cross should be far removed not only from a Roman citizen’s body, but from his mind, his eyes, his ears."

Frequently, the legs of the person executed were broken or shattered with an iron club, an act called crurifragium, which was also frequently applied without crucifixion to slaves.This act hastened the death of the person but was also meant to deter those who observed the crucifixion from committing offenses.

The length of time required to reach death could range from a matter of hours to a number of days, depending on exact methods, the prior health of the condemned, and environmental circumstances. Death could result from any combination of causes, including blood loss, hypovolemic shock, or sepsis following infection, caused by the scourging that sometimes preceded the crucifixion, or by the process of being nailed itself, or eventual dehydration.

A theory attributed to Pierre Barbet holds that, when the whole body weight was supported by the stretched arms, the typical cause of death was asphyxiation. He conjectured that the condemned would have severe difficulty inhaling, due to hyper-expansion of the chest muscles and lungs. The condemned would therefore have to draw himself up by his arms, leading to exhaustion, or have his feet supported by tying or by a wood block. When no longer able to lift himself, the condemned would die within a few minutes. Experiments by Frederick Zugibe have, however, revealed that, when suspended with arms at 60° to 70° from the vertical, test subjects had no difficulty breathing, only rapidly increasing discomfort and pain. This would correspond to the Roman use of crucifixion as a prolonged, agonizing, humiliating death. Legs were often broken to hasten death through severe traumatic shock and fat embolism.\


Why I explained this is for you to understand that the Cross is simple a torture device . But what took the cross to church , was the man who was crucified on it . Jesus was the only man to say , and who could say " come with me follow my words and I shall die for your sins , meaning , I will take away all your bad Karmas . He did that effectively , but look at the way he reedemed his followers sin's , he landed on the cross . And what a excruciating death he had to face . He was given many chances to give up the idea of carrying every ones sins on his head , The first time was here ,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr5X6ZZtYcw ( Karma Karaka Shani talks to Jesus asking him to stop this stupidity )


In my opinion, He was highly enlightened soul , Driven fully By Ketu and Shani . Even he did not realise the fully gravity of carrying the worlds sins . It is in the end that he cry's out
" Father , why have you forsaken me . " That is when the entire scene changes , God grants him Moksha and half the world turns to him . Imagine the greatness of the man , for even the koran pays its respects to him . How many saints have had that honor ??

I think I will let jesus Christ do the talking himself .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWK4N5LI ... re=related ( please spare 5 minutes to watch this clip .)

I think you will understand why the crucifixcion is in the centre of christanity . It is to remind us that one man died for our sins , and we must stop sinning because he is not comming again to die on a cross .

[astroboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr5X6ZZtYcw

Note at 3. minutes 36 in the video , satan releases a snake . the snake here is symbolic for the Kundalini Shakthi . the fact that Jesus Stamps it shows that He had full control of his Kundalini Shakthi andf that he was beyond temptation .

[astroboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9PgYH2n ... re=related

Thus the saying " you do wrong , You will have to carry your own cross. Jesus is not comming back " By the way , look at the agony of his mother .


he tells his mother , "I make all things new " . Watch at 4 minutes 19 secs . and indeed , half the world follows him .

[Zarna]

Zarna ji , please note my previous posts where I have asked the reader to decide for them selves if the Guru Chandala Yoga is a Good or a Bad yoga ??

The yoga does exist in your horoscope by definition , and a strong one at that . Guru is Retro with two malefics in Ketu's nakshatra and to make it worse , within 4 degrees of Rahu . Now the point is , Rahu and Ketu are exalted in the Navamsha. This could be a saving grace . I will leave you to interpret the yoga and tell me if it has affected you or not .

Best regard's
deepak .

Thank you astroBoyJi & have a Good day!
I will say Good & bad both effect of this yoga..Bad when I was suffering & good as tht suffering put me here at LOVA!!! In some respect It is true as per observation of this yoga in Woman's kundli & affected the same way(actually I should not blame someone bt for learning prediction part of this yoga I will say it was like tht).But then I think I dont regret as I accepted as destiny coz I have some good memories too.Anyways,any comments on theosophy?
Thanks again & Regards,
Jai Shree Krishna,
Zarna

[astroboy]

I was in a rush yesterday and forgot to analyse Richard Roger Lagivne's chart .

Note the close conjunction of Shani and Guru . I have always maintained that a Debilitated Shani , all other factors being equal is the most unwanted combination for any human . He will patiently destroy you in Time . The homosexuality is apparent by the placement of Shukra in Shani's rashi and Shani aspecting Shukra . Shani is additionally in Shukra's nakshatra.

Moon is in a mess , Being placed in a Nakshatra of Shani and Rahu being placed in a Nakshatra of the Moon . Note Rahu;s placement in the 12th house of Bed pleasures .

I wanted to write about Anuradha Nakshatra , which I shall do tomorrow .

Best regard's

[kandhan]

Deepakji,

brilliant posting about cross. so many of Christ's sayings have resonnace with Advaita.

[Nitin21]

Note the close conjunction of Shani and Guru . I have always maintained that a Debilitated Shani , all other factors being equal is the most unwanted combination for any human . He will patiently destroy you in Time .

Absolutely sir. Agree with you 100% on this. I am not a big fan of deb sani charts. It induces much indiscipline and disregards for tradition and shastras also. Keep rocking this great thread.

Regards
Sonu

[kunalbhardwaj27]

by astroboy » Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:41 pm
I have always maintained that a Debilitated Shani , all other factors being equal is the most unwanted combination for any human .

Dear Astroboy,

What s your view on Exalted Shani...


Regards
Kunal

[nidi83]

Why is it that Christianity has as its main symbol /deity , a man who is going to be dead or is dead already ? and that also on a cross ?

Hi Roseyrose,

I would think for every Christian the cross is a symbol of liberation – liberation from sin, a symbol of love, a symbol of the great sacrifice. I do not want to go more on this. However I will leave you with this lovely hymn:

The Old Rugged Cross
Text: George Bennard, 1873-1958

1. On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,
the emblem of suffering and shame;
and I love that old cross where the dearest and best
for a world of lost sinners was slain.

Refrain:
So I'll cherish the old rugged cross,
till my trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged cross,
and exchange it some day for a crown.

2. O that old rugged cross, so despised by the world,
has a wondrous attraction for me;
for the dear Lamb of God left his glory above
to bear it to dark Calvary.
(Refrain)

3. In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,
a wondrous beauty I see,
for 'twas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,
to pardon and sanctify me.
(Refrain)

4. To that old rugged cross I will ever be true,
its shame and reproach gladly bear;
then he'll call me some day to my home far away,
where his glory forever I'll share.
(Refrain)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIw01hqb2Gg

Thanking you,

Nidi

[roseyrose]

Astroboy,

Thanks for the reply and the understanding....would you analyse jesus christ's horoscope also if you have any relevant information on the same?

rose