I want to break Free

[Basab]

Zarna,

It's a very nice attitude to keep. You are a true fighter, and I have always admired fighters. I wish I was so strong like you...

It's what I am doing since long....Bravely running,when get sick take rest & try again & if God doesnt like my efforts,I cry for a moment,clean my eyes,get water & say God "Try me again,I am ready":) & also ask for strength from him!! Each time I fall down,I learned new lesson.Whether it's about physical efforts or mental or emotional or spiritual.

[Basab]

Dear Nidi,

I am sorry to see you upset. Don't worry. We all pass through moods like this, and we feel terrible, but then, it becomes okay after a few hours. Just relax. You will feel better soon. About destiny and karma, I just shared my thoughts--not necessary that I am right about it. Yes, I agree with you completely that what goes around, comes around. I feel that way too. And it's okay that you shared this with me.

Take care,

Basab

Dear Basab

I read your post on destiny and karma. I am not sure if I agree with you or not. I am confused Basab. There is one thing I would like to state Basab. What goes around definitely comes around. You try and hurt someone knowingly or unknowingly fully aware of the fact that the same is going to hurt someone, then I think one should be ready to accept the fruits of that karma. This birth and the next. I am in a very strange mood today. Contemplating over my past and the people I have hurt knowingly. I know I wil have to accept the consequences that will follow. Don't know if this post makes any sense, just felt like un burdening myself a bit. Please bear with me.

Thanking you,
Nidi

[anuradha]

I belong to the Svoboda School of thought . He holds that Ketu's own house is Aries . P.V.N.R. claims other wise . Its a bloody mess . Look for example this Guru Chandala Yoga . K.N.Rao Ji says , that if Ketu is with Guru , the combination will promise spirituality . But its also a Guru Chandala Yoga if they are aspected by a Malefic . I say that the if Ketu and Guru are together , even without the aspect of Kuja and Shani, there is a strong Guru Chandala Yoga any ways . Why ? Because I hold that Rahu and Ketu aspect each other Via a 7th aspect . K.N.Rao Ji does not attribute aspects to Rahu and Ketu . I hold that Rahu aspecting Ketu and Guru is a chandala yoga any ways . So there are diverse schools of thought . We have to weigh each horoscope and decide which principle to use . Its all a bloody mess sir .


Best regard's
Deepak .
Please seek as many opinions as you can from other learned member's on the forum as I might be completely wrong with the Analysis.
astroboy

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Deepakji, As per Jaimini Rishi , Scorpio is the own house of Ketu, and as per B.P.H.S Scorpio is the exalted sign. It seems to be logical because Ketu is secretive and Scorpio is sign of secrecy .As per Jyotish Tatwa Prakash, written in 1931Pt Laxmikant Kanyal,Ketu is friendly to Sun, Moon and Mars , neutral to Mercury and Jupiter and enemy to Venus and Saturn. Regards anu

[astroboy]

Deepakji, As per Jaimini Rishi , Scorpio is the own house of Ketu, and as per B.P.H.S Scorpio is the exalted sign. It seems to be logical because Ketu is secretive and Scorpio is sign of secrecy .As per Jyotish Tatwa Prakash, written in 1931Pt Laxmikant Kanyal,Ketu is friendly to Sun, Moon and Mars , neutral to Mercury and Jupiter and enemy to Venus and Saturn. Regards anu

Good day Anuradha ji ,

Good points , I am in agreement with you . Svoboda ji accepts that ketu is exalted in Scorpio / and also says that Rahu and Ketu are both debilitated in Vrishabha . We cannot dispute his findings . we have to apply such Tatwas as per the findings of the entire horoscope .


Look at Hitlers horoscope for instance . Hitler has Guru and Ketu in the 3rd house . The point to note that he is unaspected by any malefic except Rahu . But the Guru chandala yoga still worked . It is a well know fact that Hitler used his guru chandala yoga to the full and started his own quazi religion called aryanism . 6 million jews died because of this . Its a well known fact that he had a deep interest in the occult .
More later .

[astroboy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitl ... ious_views

please read carefully .

[Zarna]

Hi Zarna:

That is interesting. That means to say, u accept destiny totally and are unaffected by any happening and accept it willingly. Of course one cannot escape whether he accepts or not. When he accepts, he bears the sufferings, when he does not, he asks for relief from God, fights with God, scolds him, does pariaharas and so on.

Anyway I feel the following very simple equation holds
our destiny results = K x our karma
K is a constant for a particular type of sin but varies with the nature of sin and with the timing of the punishment. It accumulates interest with time, just like money but the rate of interest, God knows. So if it is finished in the same janma, better because that particular karma gets burnt and does not have interest to be carried over to the next to make it more miserable. So the faster one gets punished for his sins, the lesser is the K value and lesser is the punishment. Of course we do not know about previous birth sins and if we suffer more, it is because of the interest. So it would be better if we know conciously of sins in this janma that we get punished now here itself without delay. Of course sometimes it may not be bearable but to the extent one can bear, it would be nice if the punishment is given.

Dev

Simple & Nice explanation Devji,
By saying this I dont mean I hve accepted destiny totally or u cant say I am unaffected.I am also a human being & sensitive.But when all negative feelings come to me & then after some moments,I wake up,I ask God for strength & direction to go & do whatever I can & jst learned not to interfere wht i cant.I try almost all the options which I can see & then after when fail,I take it as destiny/God's wish & move forward.My this attitude perhaps works like survival rule for life & i dont count it in spirituality unless & untill I find myself that much balanced that even for a moment I should not hve negative feeling & trust/faith on God.
Thanks & regards,
Jay shree krishna..

[Dev]

Thanks Zarna.
That is the most practical approach.Your survival rule is perfect. That is my approach too. Whatever we try, if we succeed it is fine, if we dont we shd keep on trying and destiny may want us to be successful may be in 2nd or 3rd attempt, so since we donot know destiny's plans we shd continue to try.
i dont count it in spirituality unless & untill I find myself that much balanced that even for a moment I should not hve negative feeling & trust/faith on God.
Oh God, that state is too difficult and I can not imagine me being in that state ever, I will try neverthless.
Dev

[astroboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2gOffvE ... re=related

screw the video. Close your eyes , listen to the song , now think you are talking to your God . That, my dear friends is spirituality .

[anuradha]

Look at Hitlers horoscope for instance . Hitler has Guru and Ketu in the 3rd house . The point to note that he is unaspected by any malefic except Rahu . But the Guru chandala yoga still worked . It is a well know fact that Hitler used his guru chandala yoga to the full and started his own quazi religion called aryanism . 6 million jews died because of this . Its a well known fact that he had a deep interest in the occult .
More later .

Deepakji, My personal understanding is Ketu is conjunct with the 3L in own house made the planet ten times more powerful since Ketu is Dwaja[ Flag] making the connection with so many planets in 7H[ Four Planets] . Moreover Moon is in close conjunction with the 3L and 6L Jupiter. Mars and Saturn is also aspecting each other , given him the warrior personality. Total seven planets are influencing the 7H. Ketu is in direct motion in his chart.Also see the result of conjunction of Sun, Mercury and Mars and Sun, Mars and Venus. You will truly understand him. Regards anu

[astroboy]

by anuradha » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:41 pm

Look at Hitlers horoscope for instance . Hitler has Guru and Ketu in the 3rd house . The point to note that he is unaspected by any malefic except Rahu . But the Guru chandala yoga still worked . It is a well know fact that Hitler used his guru chandala yoga to the full and started his own quazi religion called aryanism . 6 million jews died because of this . Its a well known fact that he had a deep interest in the occult .
More later .
Deepakji, My personal understanding is Ketu is conjunct with the 3L in own house made the planet ten times more powerful since Ketu is Dwaja[ Flag] making the connection with so many planets in 7H[ Four Planets] . Moreover Moon is in close conjunction with the 3L and 6L Jupiter. Mars and Saturn is also aspecting each other , given him the warrior personality. Total seven planets are influencing the 7H. Ketu is in direct motion in his chart.Also see the result of conjunction of Sun, Mercury and Mars and Sun, Mars and Venus. You will truly understand him. Regards anu

Madam ji , what about spirituality ??

[astroboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxyZa1n6aDs

for a guy like me with a %^&*^% up horoscope . This is my song dedicated to Ma Shakthi herself . As usual ,i close my eyes and transmute the lyrics and the tune into something divine . That is spirituality . Simple and easy .

I believ that Ma the divine mother is a friend of mine . She can do no wrong .

[astroboy]

Shuchi ji ..... You are a genius . you get the drift pretty fast .

[anuradha]

Madam ji , what about spirituality ??

Deepakji, See the Gajkeshri yoga and conjunction of Jupiter and Ketu is happening in Sagittarius sign[Kodanda], the sign of warrior. Had it be in Pisces , he would have been a sadhak. Regards anu

[astroboy]

Guys and Girls , Check this out . Tell me if this man will ever become spiritual .

17 08 1972
15 : 37
Erode TamilNadu .


I have said before that for spirituality to rise on top of the crop , there must be a systamatic failure of Raja yogas for wealth and material wants . Keep that in mind and analyse this horoscope . There is a saying in Kannada , I will translate it for you all , "Sankatadhalli Venkattaramana" it means Venkattaramana's is thought of only when people are in deep frack

[swamykool]

Astroboy,

Could you please clarify one point? What happens when Rahu or Ketu are in the Nakshatra of each other - like Rahu in Magha or Ketu in Shatabhisha? How will they behave?

Regards
swamykool

[astroboy]

The person is a research scientist . He is doing well in his career , But feels he has stagnated . He feels that he copuld have reached greater hights . The biggest sore point is that he has no children . This lack of issue has driven him up the wall , so to speak , and he is not looking for answers on the spiritual plane .

[astroboy]

Sir , Satasbisha is a notorious Nakshatra . . Hora Sara has painted satabhisha like a criminal it says , " the native born in Satabhisha will be foul mouthed , garrulous , a cheat , a dependent , will lose his sons , be fickle minded , will be of miserly disposition , cunning , but will destroy his enemies" . Satabhisha,and Magha are both Tamasic in nature. Depending on which Bhavas they are ( Kumbha and Simha ) Rahu and Ketu will have a great say in the effects of the horoscope . Suprisingly , Magha is not painted that badly in Hora Sara . I feel Rahu going there is a bad deal while Ketu in Satabhisha will reenforce the bad effects of Satabhisha .


Look at the example I have posted here . Ketu is in the 8th and Kuja the 5th lord is in Ketu's nakshatra . Kuja is now in serious trouble . To add insult to injury , he is combust . How can this man have kids ? Karaka Guru is Retro . End of story . Magha is a very powerful nakshatra , and can make or break .


Trust this helps.

[swamykool]

Astroboy,

Thank you. You have given me much to think over. And kindly drop the Sir, would you please.

swamykool

[astroboy]

Sir , a point to note , Ravi does extremely well in Magha after the first 4 degrees . The logic is that Magha's symbol is the throne and the king is happy there .

[lovacrs]

Deepak ji,

Sorry that I am not keeping pace with the flow of posts

Even going by Svoboda School, in this case Ketu being stronger owns Lagna. Though placement in 8th can turn out to be a problem, it elminates all the negativities associated with debilitated Kuja and lagnesh with ninth lord is powerful yoga (soul+dharma). Am I wrong?

Namaskara Lovacars ji,


I belong to the Svoboda School of thought . He holds that Ketu's own house is Aries . P.V.N.R. claims other wise . Its a bloody mess . Look for example this Guru Chandala Yoga . K.N.Rao Ji says , that if Ketu is with Guru , the combination will promise spirituality . But its also a Guru Chandala Yoga if they are aspected by a Malefic . I say that the if Ketu and Guru are together , even without the aspect of Kuja and Shani, there is a strong Guru Chandala Yoga any ways . Why ? Because I hold that Rahu and Ketu aspect each other Via a 7th aspect . K.N.Rao Ji does not attribute aspects to Rahu and Ketu . I hold that Rahu aspecting Ketu and Guru is a chandala yoga any ways . So there are diverse schools of thought . We have to weigh each horoscope and decide which principle to use . Its all a bloody mess sir .


Best regard's
Deepak .

[swamykool]

Astroboy,

The first 3 degrees of Magha are Gandanta degrees, Ravi would be in a soup there. The rest of the degrees are ok I guess. But Ravi in Magha would give a very high ego and an uncompromising if not aggressive and arrogant nature. Most people focus on the Moksha angle of Ketu, but ignore the fiery warlike nature of the S. Node. Kuja vat Ketu. Also note that the 3 nakshatras of Ketu are in the 3 fiery rashis, Simha, Mesha and Dhanu. The higher nature of Ketu is very rare but the lower nature is abundant. Also in my opinion if spirituality or dharmik bhav is brought by Ketu in any person's chart, that person might be fanatical in his/her beliefs, keeping in tune with Ketu's warlike nature. Ketu is also the Karaka for indifference, which is often mistaken for and confused with vairagya. This is entirely mu opinion btw, I might be wrong.

regards
swamykool

[Dev]

Dear Astroboy and others:

Ketu and Rahu are chayagrahas and some believe that their strength is equal to the strength of the house in which they are placed but sometimes they turn out to be even stronger sometimes. How is it possible if they are just shadow planets?
There was one who studied his master degree, he was below average in class, failed in several papers and then finally passed( He would even worry if he could ever clear some papers since he was very poor in some of them), then he wrote exam for doing PhD failed there too, then went straight to an institution saying he wanted to pursue PhD. The professor had a position which was taken up by student who suddenly left citing family circumstances. So this person was given the position. He was not good at experimental work but that what he touched turned into gold like Midas's case. His guide helped interpret the results and he finally got his PhD before the really good, intelligent colleagues. Then he applied for post doc position, got that too in US and still lives in US.
Why I cited this was it was his ketu dasa which he himself ackowledged which made him to go to the top from the scratch.

Dev

[Zarna]

Guys and Girls , Check this out . Tell me if this man will ever become spiritual .

17 08 1972
15 : 37
Erode TamilNadu .


I have said before that for spirituality to rise on top of the crop , there must be a systamatic failure of Raja yogas for wealth and material wants . Keep that in mind and analyse this horoscope . There is a saying in Kannada , I will translate it for you all , "Sankatadhalli Venkattaramana" it means Venkattaramana's is thought of only when people are in deep frack

Deepakji,
I dont know astrology much,but I am jst trying with this kundli.People here pls dont consider me serious,I am very novice in astrology So whatever I predict is only based on some simple & very basic principles & some intuition.As 1,5,9 house seems to be strong,his personality,his way of expression is up to highest mark as well as he is religiously inclined.NOw coming to spirituality physical,mantra chanting,all religious thing as knowledge may be present in person.But only thing is venus in 7th.I think even though he knows perhaps all thing he only steps back due to some desire is wht 7th venus creates.Otherwise good kundli for spirituality if he breaks his desire of wife & related sukha.& according to dasha,running ketu dasha so might be he involved in healing process.But then comes venus period so pure yoga may be after that in Sun period.
Please dont laugh at my prediction,I tried with my basic knowledge.Rest is Prabhu ni Ichchha.
Thanks & regards,
Jay shree krishna,
Zarna

[lovacrs]

Swamycool ji,

Ketu is also the Karaka for indifference, which is often mistaken for and confused with vairagya.

But indifference is detachment (nishkama karma). Vairagya or active renouncement is an inferior cousin (from a spiritual perspective) of indifference.
Just my opinion.

[Zarna]

Zarna,
It's a very nice attitude to keep. You are a true fighter, and I have always admired fighters. I wish I was so strong like you...

Basab Ji,
Thanks for those kind words & admiration but pls dont compare & I dont deserve tht too coz it's given by God then comes to my parents/grandparents/teachers/friends..above all ..all natural resources I had/hve around me.So will not take tht only credit of being fighter.Thanks to you again for making me feel for all those people/God/Nature to show my gratitude toward them for whatever I M.Basabji,I have read somewhere about you,I think DevJi wrote abt you & if I am not wrong you are perhaps fighting within self.I am here talking about fighting out side & you are continuously fighting inside which requires an applauding guts.So now I wish,I can be strong/fighter like you inside. But I cant....coz the above all natural resources/people were/are different for me & you.
Now coming to your destiny/predestination/God things,I think you made your own world from which no belief will come out & vice-versa.This is jst my perception about you as a human being.I may be wrong in that.So my apologies as soul to your soul.
May God bless us all..
Regards & Thanks,
Zarna