I want to break Free

[DHV]

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DHV ji , we are discussing Spirituality and Renunciation of a different league . I refer to the above statement keeping in mind Nidhi 83's horoscope only . She was asking me about her education . This is not the thread to discuss it .

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Oh no astroboyji, i misunderstood, didnt read properly, thought you had made a general statement. My bad.

Having said that, would you be kind enough to look at me chart and tell me what spiritual potential I have? I thought I was really spiritual, that I somehow had Gods grace, with everything that I have been through...and all I have managed to achieve. Had it not been for spirituality I would probably have been either dead... or an inpatient at the psychiatric unit where I work now as a doctor treating patients who are in a similar place to where I was a few years ago. If I didnt have bhakti I would have had nothing, and now I have a lot. Everything I am now, none of it is because of me, it is all God. I was written off as a failure and told that with the issues I had I would never make it as a doctor. I came out of the black hoIe I was in and I made it. I am grateful for my experiences though, for if I hadn't gone through the pain and suffering that I did, I would never have experienced God. I had to go there to get here.

The posts on this thread have made me introspect, inspired me to re-read the Geeta and made me ask myself... am I really as spiritual as I think? I am definitely not a perfect devotee. And I find myself praying for materialistic things. If renunciation is the highest spiritual level, I am not there yet. But I do wish to make continuous efforts to develop and improve myself spiritually.

My details: 15th March 1983
TOB: 16:32
POB: Birmingham, UK

Many Thanks
deeksha

[DHV]

Hi DHV,

Who is a Karma Yogi?

Karma yoga is described as a way of acting, thinking and willing by which one orients oneself toward realization by acting in accordance with one's duty (dharma) without consideration of personal self-centered desires, likes or dislikes. One acts without being attached to the fruits of one's deeds.

In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says:

Therefore, without being attached to the fruits of activities, one should act as a matter of duty, for by working without attachment one attains the Supreme

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Just answer one question - Is it possible for one not to be attached to one's wife or husband or children? I am not talking about taking baby steps towards spirituality here. I am talking about spirituality at its heights. Again let us not refer to the Gods who were married or the great sages who were realised souls and were on another planet of spiritualism. I am talking about you and me. Its impossible for me not to be attached. Can one make love to her husband without feeling anything? Lets take Gautam Buddha for eg. He could have been a Karma Yogi. Why did he have to leave his wife, kingdom and everything else to find God? Is it that simple. Yes Bhagwat Geetha may tell us its possible. Lets be true to ourselves and seek answers from within.

Lets take the life of Akkamahadevi, a great saint born in Karnataka.

Akkamahadevi was married off to a local Jain King. Mahadeviyakkha was unwilling to reciprocate the desire of the King. Mahadeviyakkha was immersed in devotion to her Lord and she could not accept a life of servitude to an atheistic King.

Her family were highly critical of her “unorthodox” behaviour and this led Mahadevia to renounce her worldly life. Mahadevi left her marriage and place of birth to live the life of a wandering mendicant. Mahadevi is said to have worn only long tresses. She felt clothes were a needless adornment for one seeking the Lord.

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Which is why i said unless the husband and wife are on the same spiritual planet, its impossible for one to lead a highly spiritual life. Its impossible for one not to be attached and just perform all the tasks as a duty. One should be emotionally dead for that.

To all the members who have been saying its possible, these are purely my views and beliefs. I could be wrong.

Thanking you,

Nidi

Dear Nidi

Thanks for your reply and engaging with me in this debate. I can and will eventually reply to this using examples and quotes but I cant at the moment as by the time I come back from work I am shattered and cannot think clearly. Sprituality is not back or white but in shades of grey. I understand your perspective and you have made valid and true points. I can see why you would say marriage is an impediment to spirituality. For example Meerabai was immersed in lord Krishna but she did not have a great married life. Narasimha Mehta, a great devotee from Gujarat in the 17th century, he was married but he couldn't fufill his social obligations, he would spend all his time thinking of Krishna, composing Krishna bhajans.

However, Shree Ram Sharma, who started the Gayatri parivar, and Shrila Prabhupad, who started the ISCON movement, they were married.Shrila Prabhupad did his duties as a husband and householder before he renounced materialistic life and braught vaishnavism west. He has written so many spiritual books. Shri Vallabhacharya, who started the pushti margi sect in India, he was married with children. Are these people not spiritual?

My veiws are based on my experiences and my knowledge. I will still say you can be married and spiritual. I have had personnal experiances and seen things with my own eyes which reinforce my beliefs. No it is not all possible not to be attached to your children, it is not possible to make love and not feel attachment afterwards. I totally agree with you there. We are human, we are chemically programmed to feel those emotions. But if you make an effort to even try to cultivate love all beings bearing in mind that God resides in the hearts of all (another shoka from the Geeta) then you are moving a tiny bit higher in spirituality. And it is only when you take baby steps now that eventually several lifetimes down the lane you will attain Moksha.

Nidi I accept that I may be wrong in my perception and if this is so then I prey that God grants me such experiences in my life that allow me to see and believe the truth.

Thanks
Deeksha

[nidi83]

Hi Basab,Deepak,Deeksha,Jan and Aseem,

Many thanks for taking out your time to go through my chart. I normally like to finish off my important tasks in the morning before I indulge myself here. However after reading all this I thought I must respond. I will respond to you all in detail in sometime once I am done.

Thanking you all,



Nidi
P.N. Aseem in response to your yesterdays pm thank you. I didn' t want to respond to you on PM. Never know how you react.

[astroboy]

[astroboy]

by Jan » Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:07 pm
Basab,
I did like your analysis.
I did look at the chart now and came to sort of same analysis.
*Jupiter in moksha triangle
* Ketu in exaltation sign with jupiter as 12th lord in 8th is a very good combination.
* jupiter aspecting into pisces 12th it's own sign is excellent too.
* In Navamsha ketu in 8th aspected by jupiter. And Moon in own sign in 12th house cancer.
*12th lord jupiter aspecting lagna lord in pushya nakshatra associated with religion and teachers.
The chart contains several very good spiritual combinations. But if one must be a fullblown sannyas to count as
spiritual then it's a matter of definitions maybe.

Good day to you Jan ji ,

Guru and Ketu's sabre rattling is of no use. Why ?? it's because of the dispositor Kuja's debilitation . I still insist that this person cannot sustain and indulge in deep spirituality because of the lagna lord's debilitation , and Rahu's presence in the 2nd house of accumulated wealth . Rahu induces a greed that is unparalled because he is in Shukra's house and is exalted . Guru's aspect on him is of no use because Ketu has already maligned Guru . However Guru will exert some good influence on Rahu . No doubt about it . I have said it before , and I shall say it again . weigh the Raja yoga's for the material before you weigh the yogas for spirituality . The raja yogas for the material have to systematically fail for the yogas for spirituality to kick in . This will never be the case here , because the 10th and the 11th lord is exalted in the 7th house and aspecting the lagna + Moon . To top it , he aspects the 4th house of property . Its a impossible task for her to kick aside the urge to possess the material . Mark my words .


By spirituality , I am not talking about visiting a temple wearing Prada and breaking a coconut . I am talking about indulging in recitation of stotras every day , twice a day, Meditation on the lord for at least a hour a day, indulging in charity, attending religious discources and debates, reading the scriptures , and indulging in the worship of a ishta Devata every day . This is deep spirituality .


which is the single planet on whom this chart rides ?? Its Shani . Shani is the Badaka lord . He aspects the lagna and Chandra thus capturing the entire horoscope . Please do not forget that he is the lord of the 11th and the 10th . Do you think Guru has a chance being the 9th lord and the 12th lord in the 8th ??? Impossible . Guru is finished . Guru does not aspect any of the cornerstones in the horoscope . He is a sitting duck . Simple as that .


Nidhi ji , I never go so deep to analyse any horoscope , Please forgive me . I have to say this .

Do not underestimate Rahu . Rahu magnifies sensual & self-indulgent behaviours, gives desire to have pleasures of the physical senses, love of nature, craving for beautiful people & things. Can become extremely focused on the pursuit of wealth, fine food, & drink. Rahu is never satisfied.

Rahu is always working overtime, trying to receive validation in a role for which He is unqualified. Rahu is always scheming a new approach toward getting what He is not entitled to have.
Rahu is an embezzler, slowly leeching the life force consciousness as He pursues an endless series of hot but fleeting material desires. (Including sex)

His methods are devious and surreptitious, driven by a deep hunger for validation through the experience of Possession, which is never satisfied.

Rahu is an interloper, a fraud, and a poseur. Rahu wants to be included in the world of the gods. But, Rahu is not a real deity. Rahu sneaks in through trickery.

Unusual or extreme expression of cultural values. Values are deeply influenced by foreign cultures and the native eats the foods of foreign lands.

High permission to enjoy amplify the activities of the face & mouth. Attractive hair. High entitlement to eat & drink, speak & sing, as they please! Gives an intriguing, attractive, slightly exotic face.

Even very wealthy nativities will identify socially with the underclass or with a foreign culture. May be fluent in more than one cultural tradition, always hungry to sample more history, tradition, and value systems.

The native is plagued by unstable emotions throughout life, due to the childhood shocks and sudden changes. One expects dramatic interruptions of the family routine and indeed this pattern recurs with each Rahu period, when a fascinating new person or power needs to be integrated into one's family.


Once again Nidhi ji , I am sorry If I have said some thing wrong .

[astroboy]

Exactly my point Aseem ji . You have to factor in the place , the times we live in , the parents and the environment under which she is bought up etc . Look at Ramakrishna Paramahamsa . He was born at a time and place into a Brahmin family who were God fearing and into worship . The times were such . the place ( west bengal is highly into shakthi worship ) was perfect . It all fit in with his horoscope . You cannot expect these things to happen in honolulu can you ??.

[astroboy]

Imagine if Jesus Christ landed in Mangalore or Goa ( Both with a high roman Catholic population ) today and proclaimed that he was the "son of god " and that he will redeem all our souls after death , and that he will ensure that we reach heaven . People would have caught him and admitted him in a mental institution , and the doctors there would have declared that he has "Delusions of Grandeur " and has a "Split personality " with borderline "clinical depression " . They would have prescribed Zanax and combined it with olanzapine . That would have been the end of his story .

[astroboy]

Nidhi ji , There is one redeeming factor for you . Let me explain,

The 9th house in any horoscope is considered to be the greatest benefic to a chart . The 9th house is the house of Fortune , Luck and importantly , the one of "Dharma " . A strong 9th house can therefore can make or break you . A strong Rashi chart has to be backed by a strong Navamsha chart . If the Rashi is like a Radio , then the Navamsha is it's signal . If the Rashi is a tree , The navamsha is the fruit .

Look at your Navamsha Chart . The lagna lord is exalted in the 9th house . What more can you ask for ?? the dasha is of Ravi who is the lord of the 5th in the Rashi chart . In the navamsha he is in the 9th house in exaltation . This is why you are on this forum experimenting with Spirituality . I dont promise you deep spirituality , because the 9th house lord of the Navamsha is debilitated in the Rashi . However you will have a interest in all things spiritual .

[astroboy]

by Satabhisha » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:02 pm
I will point out one mistake you have Astroboy,
You can't use charts like Ramakirshna, Yogananda etc for spiritual examples. Why? These beings were already free before they took birth, their charts are just focal points for manifestation. Many people were born at the same time as Ramakrishna, they were highly dharmic, probably never cheated on their wives or drank alcohol.
You are a much greater astrologer than I am, but I'm a white boi from the west, so I challenge my elders. No disrespect intended. It is Saturn/Ketu/Mars/Rahu that arrange the whips of our bad karma that drive us to god.
Jupiter is too soft.I hate to be so critical, but I have a strong saturn in my chart, and he makes me point out errors, even if it gets me in trouble.

Satabhisha . You must understand one concept of this world . Once you enter mother earth , the planets are the absolutes bosses and even the man who created them has to bow down to thier might . Do you know the tale of how Shani troubled Lord Shiva ??

It is the planets which dish out the dollops of our Karma . Shri Rama , Krishna , Jesus , Buddha , RamaKrishna Paramahamsa ....... all these great souls had to follow the rules of creation . They were all subject to the planetary positions of their individual horoscope . It is no doubt that the planetary allignments were such that it suited their own purposes , But its wrong to say that they were beyond the 9 planets .

Comming to your point that many people could have been born at the same time Ramakrishna was born , there is no way to prove that he was the only one born during that time ,but there is also no way to prove or disprove that he could actually have been the only one born during that time . The lagna in D1 moves every 2 hours roughly so Let us take Ramakrishna's Navamsha chart .

The navamsha lagna moves every 14 minutes roughly . Look at his Navamsha chart . The navamsha chart also reflects ones "Dhrama " . The Navamsha lagna is Tula . the 5th house is posited by 3 retrograde planets , and Guru aspects the 9th house . The 5th lord is in the 5th and to top it , the 9th is in the 5th . Can you now say that his horoscope does not reflect his life ?? Forget about 2 hours . Its very very possible that nobody was born in India for a gap of 14 minutes . Its almost improbable that somebody could have been born in west bengal in those 13 minutes . Its highly improbable that somebody could have been born in Hooghly district in those 13 minutes . I cant prove it , But neither can you Disprove it .

Best regard's

[nidi83]

Dear Deepak,
I would like to first and foremost thank you for taking your time to analyse my horoscope in detail.

Coming back to my life, I never claimed I wanted to renounce and neither did I say I was highly spiritual. If that is the impression you got from my posts then I am really sorry. I really do not like to talk about how spiritual I am. To me its between me and my God, which is why I did not respond to Zarna either.

I am happy you have been kind enough to have found some redeeming factors in my navamsa. Hope that helps me in my quest for spirituality further.

Dear Basab &Jan, thank you both for the analysis.

I would also like to state that I am happy I found this site. My friends get bored with my talks on spirituality. Atleast here I can express my views to like minded people. Thank you all.

Aseem I shall avoid your queries. Yes I do not understand them as you rightly said.

Hey Deeksha, yes we all form opinions on our experiences, for every example that I give, I am sure you can give me another with exact opposite results. But it was really nice to read your view points. Who knows I might change my mind one day and get married

Thanking you,
Nidi

[Basab]

Basab Ji,Psychologyst Ji,predestiny k taranhar Ji,........whatever You are but ur a nice person.Will write you for sure whenever I feel so. I think my those sentence pinch you much more about why I m not writing you.I jst said frankly.Now I feel bad.
Anyways May God bless you....

Zarna,

Thank you so much for the kind words. I got so much praises here after a long time. It's okay that you were frank that you hesitated in writing to me: at least that way God highlighted to me once more that arguing is bad, which was the reason for your hesitating writing to me. I will try to curb my tendency for arguing. Rest is in the hands of destiny. And don't feel bad, please.

[astroboy]

Nidhi, you are still young and have a long way to go . I am sure you are steering your free will towards spirituality . looking at the strength of Shani , you will manage to navigate the waters of Spirituality in the years to come . Best of luck to you and God bless you . May you be always sucessful in life .

Best regard's

[Basab]

Thank you, Jan. I am glad you liked my analysis. Yes, there are strong points for spirituality in her chart, I feel.

[Basab]

You are welcome, Nidi.

[nidi83]

Thank you Aseem. I am glad.

[Zarna]

By spirituality , I am not talking about visiting a temple wearing Prada and breaking a coconut . I am talking about indulging in recitation of stotras every day , twice a day, Meditation on the lord for at least a hour a day, indulging in charity, attending religious discources and debates, reading the scriptures , and indulging in the worship of a ishta Devata every day . This is deep spirituality .

Yes I completely agree with Deepakji on his views about deep spirituality ...Generally speaking, How we can expect those guys who have been brought up in materialistic environment in advanced materialistic nations where sexual enjoyments is the norm and worshipped, where competition is the norm and followed religiously, what do you expect from nations who do rankings of Indian Gurus, etc.

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Few lines what I feel about being spiritual...actually should use word "Devotional" coz spiritual seems to be little more serious/tough word.
Being Spiritual/Devotional means being zero & being as well as feeling like a smallest dot.And our journey(inner)needs a total concentration(like a laser gun)toward God.The way of that journey is black, the light is only knowledge/japa/namsmaran,yoga,dhyan etc & also different for different persons according to their prakriti.But within journey a single thought/action can add a 1 to that purpose/aim of being 0.Left side of the decimal point is our inner things that affects devotion/spirituality & right side of decimal point is worldly materialistic things.Till you achieve that dot you are no where!!! So the only toughest task is to remove 1s & those all 1s are generated by only one “1” is nothing but the "I".If you are not concentrated on dot, every zero/one to the right side/left side of decimal point will ultimately add an "Illusion”. So the only task is to remove "1" which generates all the desire,ahankar,irsha,dwaish(the looooong list)....etc.So the first thing is to decide whether you are working at left side of the decimal point or right side of it?or both the side?where u r in this upword journey?
Just tried to add something creative...Hope it makes some sense.
May God help us all to practice with spirituality....
My pranams to all you members (souls) as a soul..
Jay shree krishna,
Zarna

[astroboy]

by Jan » Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:27 pm
The debilitation of the dispositor of ketu needs not destroy ketu as ketu primarily take on qualities of his associated planets, in this case
jupiter 12th lord, any connection of ketu moksha planet with the 12th house is good for spirituality ketus exaltation is also a strengthening factor.
Sometimes debiltated planets is good for humility.

Sir , Good day to you . I agree that ketu takes on qualities of his associated planets . But he first pays his rent to the owner of the house , in this case Kuja , who is in dire straits . K.N. Rao also talks of Guru being absolutely corrupted by Ketu , exalted or not . There is a school of thought which holds that a association of Rahu and Guru is a chandala Yoga ( Most of us subscribe to it ) . The same school holds that Ketu + Guru is a athichandala ( Chandala of the highest order ) when associated with Ketu .

As far as debilitated planets go . look at Micheal Jordan's chart . lagna lord is debilitated along with 3 planets . He is a super star . Any sign of spirituality in him ?? At least the level we speak about ??
Best regard's

[Zarna]

Basab Ji,Psychologyst Ji,predestiny k taranhar Ji,........whatever You are but ur a nice person.Will write you for sure whenever I feel so. I think my those sentence pinch you much more about why I m not writing you.I jst said frankly.Now I feel bad.
Anyways May God bless you....

Zarna,

Thank you so much for the kind words. I got so much praises here after a long time. It's okay that you were frank that you hesitated in writing to me: at least that way God highlighted to me once more that arguing is bad, which was the reason for your hesitating writing to me. I will try to curb my tendency for arguing. Rest is in the hands of destiny. And don't feel bad, please.

Basab Ji,
My intention was not to praise bt jst to create a light environment.that's it.
Can I ask you one thing,will you relate God & destiny or they are separate for you?
Regards,
Jay shree krishna,
Zarna

[astroboy]

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Note the debilitation of budha and Shukra in the Navamsha .

[anuradha]

K.N. Rao also talks of Guru being absolutely corrupted by Ketu , exalted or not . There is a school of thought which holds that a association of Rahu and Guru is a chandala Yoga ( Most of us subscribe to it ) . The same school holds that Ketu + Guru is a athichandala ( Chandala of the highest order ) when associated with Ketu .

Deepakji, Please give the reference. Regards anu

[anuradha]

As far as debilitated planets go . look at Micheal Jordan's chart . lagna lord is debilitated along with 3 planets . He is a super star . Any sign of spirituality in him ?? At least the level we speak about

Deepakji, Lagna lord is in the house of Moon and Moon is in the house of Mars, Mars is also retrograde and going towards the 3H aspected by 10L Saturn and 3L Mercury. Mercury is play ground, Mars is influencing the 3H of D-9, D-10 and D-3. Also see the nakshtra exchange of Moon and Saturn. Regards anu

[anuradha]

As far as debilitated planets go . look at Micheal Jordan's chart . lagna lord is debilitated along with 3 planets . He is a super star . Any sign of spirituality in him ?? At least the level we speak about

Deepakji, Lagna lord is in the house of Moon and Moon is in the house of Mars, Mars is also retrograde and going towards the 3H aspected by 10L Saturn and 3L Mercury. Mercury is play ground, Mars is influencing the 3H of D-9, D-10 and D-3. Also see the nakshtra exchange of Moon and Saturn. Regards anu

[astroboy]

Anuradha ji , good day to you ,

Chapter 5 page 63 "The Nehru dynasty" . By K.N.Rao . Note the Guru is associated with Ketu there .


As far as the school of thought goes, and I subscribe to it fully , Ketu is more virulent and malefic than Rahu . This is accepted by all . Guru with Ketu is a Athi chandala yoga .

Trust this helps .

[anuradha]

Deepakji, On page 63, I could-not find. If you are talking about the chart of Mr J.L Nehru because it is aspected by the malefic Mars it is a Chandal yoga otherwise it gives a good promise of spiritual life, page 50, Tried Techniques Of Predictions And Some Memoirs Of An Astrologer, By Sh K.N Rao Ji. Regards anu

[astroboy]

Anuradha ji dont read just page 63 . read 64 also . what are you doing anuradha ji .?? . read the chapter on religion .