Why so?aseem82 wrote:@dreamsunlimited-
Looks like dreaming is a 24*7 job for you?
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dreamsunlimited
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dreamsunlimited
Yes.. I have many dreams, some fulfilled and some in queue to be fulfilled soon..aseem82 wrote:Because your id says so!!!Why so?
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Basab
Yeah, that is true that in next life we won't be after material luxuries, but just salvation.
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dreamsunlimited
I am neither spiritual nor believer in destiny.aseem82 wrote:Amazing..you must be a strong 11th house in your chart too...Hope that all your dreams do get fulfilled in the coming times...Yes.. I have many dreams, some fulfilled and some in queue to be fulfilled soon..
Well are you spiritual, or believer in destiny?
I believe in doing and getting. I believe in myself.
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dreamsunlimited
Nothing... just online search brought me here. I am a member of LOVA since long though not much active. I read here sometimes. I am member of many forums... few entertainment related, and few astrology forums too. Its only time pass for me. Neither I am interested in getting any prediction here nor I want to learn astrology.
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krishnagopal1968
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Aseem Ji,
Yes u are right, you were running Sun sub only during sep 05. I mistook it from your post and went wrong with the periods. sorry for this. I too follow Lahiri. Infact i lost my file containing your horo. But I remember your sagi lagna and sat+ven in 11th house.
And I find many times sharp analysing capabilities of you and now waiting for ur post on moon sub.
Sagi natives are mostly lucky and good human natured but sometimes they do some irresponsible act , short tempered but for a good cause , like to horse around and become indecisive. But not much in your case as you have jupiter in libra (is it right?)
If jupiter too in 11th libra, then more venusian/libran qualities will be visible. The best is mediation, pleasant talk,love of art,music with a very fine sense of justice in libran natives. (no surprise womanfolk likes u but infact they like the venus in u!) At the worst, more indecisiveness due to airy libra (If the problem for other natives is how to win a woman's heart, for a libran it is not so. they will easily win any woman's heart , but then indeciveness comes, now we got, what to do with her?? confusion but finally native balances himself weighing pros and cons!)
I don't know ur moon position which will have a greater impact, but still the nature of lagna lord's sign would prevail.
wish u gud luk. But please add something spiritual too in this topic. you can post some fine insights due to good aspects to your 5th house. Now this topic grows more into arguments and is it good for such a fine title you have given?
Yes u are right, you were running Sun sub only during sep 05. I mistook it from your post and went wrong with the periods. sorry for this. I too follow Lahiri. Infact i lost my file containing your horo. But I remember your sagi lagna and sat+ven in 11th house.
And I find many times sharp analysing capabilities of you and now waiting for ur post on moon sub.
Sagi natives are mostly lucky and good human natured but sometimes they do some irresponsible act , short tempered but for a good cause , like to horse around and become indecisive. But not much in your case as you have jupiter in libra (is it right?)
If jupiter too in 11th libra, then more venusian/libran qualities will be visible. The best is mediation, pleasant talk,love of art,music with a very fine sense of justice in libran natives. (no surprise womanfolk likes u but infact they like the venus in u!) At the worst, more indecisiveness due to airy libra (If the problem for other natives is how to win a woman's heart, for a libran it is not so. they will easily win any woman's heart , but then indeciveness comes, now we got, what to do with her?? confusion but finally native balances himself weighing pros and cons!)
I don't know ur moon position which will have a greater impact, but still the nature of lagna lord's sign would prevail.
wish u gud luk. But please add something spiritual too in this topic. you can post some fine insights due to good aspects to your 5th house. Now this topic grows more into arguments and is it good for such a fine title you have given?
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dreamsunlimited
Hahahahhahahaaa... No unfortunately, I don't know anything but I still love reading about it. I find it stressful thinking learning astrology as a subject... I just read what people write and the responses they get.
I have had enough of predictions in my life and they were all different to what is actually happening. So I think no one can master this subject. Everything is in His hands and everything happens for a reason. One should not stop flow of life by stopping working thinking that if it is destined, he will get it.
Everything comes with effort and God helps those who help themselves.
I have had enough of predictions in my life and they were all different to what is actually happening. So I think no one can master this subject. Everything is in His hands and everything happens for a reason. One should not stop flow of life by stopping working thinking that if it is destined, he will get it.
Everything comes with effort and God helps those who help themselves.
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dreamsunlimited
May be..aseem82 wrote:Well that shows you are still seraching for the answers to your life!!!I have had enough of predictions in my life and they were all different to what is actually happening
Yeah you right in thinking. This is what basabji also says.Everything is in His hands and everything happens for a reason. One should not stop flow of life by stopping working thinking that if it is destined, he will get it.
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Basab
Dream,
Same with me. I consulted many astrologers, and none of their predictions came true, so it is true that most of the time predictions go wrong. And it is not just me or you, in most cases I have seen that predictions have gone wrong. So I think it is very much wrong to lead one's life as per astrological predictions.
I also agree with you that everything is in His hands and everything happens for a reason, but then, sometimes, it is difficult to understand the reason because the logic for that can be found out only if one goes back to his previous lives. Sometimes a good person keeps on suffering and a bad person keeps getting happiness, which doesn't make sense, but if one goes back to their previous lives and finds that the good person in this life was a big sinner in his previous lives and the bad person was a virtuous person in his previous lives, the logic is clear to us.
About stopping working, well, a person who has no success written for him will stop working, expecting destiny to give good results. A persons attitude to life is decided by destiny.
About God helping those who helps themselves, if a person can help himself, he will not need God's help, so God should help those who can't help themselves.
Same with me. I consulted many astrologers, and none of their predictions came true, so it is true that most of the time predictions go wrong. And it is not just me or you, in most cases I have seen that predictions have gone wrong. So I think it is very much wrong to lead one's life as per astrological predictions.
I also agree with you that everything is in His hands and everything happens for a reason, but then, sometimes, it is difficult to understand the reason because the logic for that can be found out only if one goes back to his previous lives. Sometimes a good person keeps on suffering and a bad person keeps getting happiness, which doesn't make sense, but if one goes back to their previous lives and finds that the good person in this life was a big sinner in his previous lives and the bad person was a virtuous person in his previous lives, the logic is clear to us.
About stopping working, well, a person who has no success written for him will stop working, expecting destiny to give good results. A persons attitude to life is decided by destiny.
About God helping those who helps themselves, if a person can help himself, he will not need God's help, so God should help those who can't help themselves.
dreamsunlimited wrote:I have had enough of predictions in my life and they were all different to what is actually happening. So I think no one can master this subject. Everything is in His hands and everything happens for a reason. One should not stop flow of life by stopping working thinking that if it is destined, he will get it.
Everything comes with effort and God helps those who help themselves.
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Basab
My lagna is Libra, but I am yet to win a woman's heart.krishnagopal1968 wrote:If the problem for other natives is how to win a woman's heart, for a libran it is not so. they will easily win any woman's heart , but then indeciveness comes, now we got, what to do with her?? confusion but finally native balances himself weighing pros and cons!
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krishnagopal1968
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Basab Ji,
Yes you too are a libran native and venus is own sign. but 8th house venus will give results accordingly. i think ur venus is in the star of mars.What happened in ven-mars period could u share?
Aseem Ji is little lucky as lagna lord in desire house plus own 11th house venus plus exalted 3rd lord saturn. also lord of bhagya in 11th. so much results in that arena.
Your 5th house of romance has no venus aspect. but romance or for that matter anything doesnot last long. May be you would have romanced more in ur past life,hence u didn't need it and not chose that in this life.
you will really have good results in your moon period and that may be your actual need, i suppose.
Yes you too are a libran native and venus is own sign. but 8th house venus will give results accordingly. i think ur venus is in the star of mars.What happened in ven-mars period could u share?
Aseem Ji is little lucky as lagna lord in desire house plus own 11th house venus plus exalted 3rd lord saturn. also lord of bhagya in 11th. so much results in that arena.
Your 5th house of romance has no venus aspect. but romance or for that matter anything doesnot last long. May be you would have romanced more in ur past life,hence u didn't need it and not chose that in this life.
you will really have good results in your moon period and that may be your actual need, i suppose.
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krishnagopal1968
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Aseem ji,
Thanks for the reply. I would also share some of my experiences as and when i find time.
Thanks for the reply. I would also share some of my experiences as and when i find time.
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dreamsunlimited
Basab ji
In my life, I have observed whatever had happened was linked with my present. Though some things were suffering for me at that time, but they have proved beneficial in a way. I can connect even smallest of event now.
You have written,
I slightly disagree with you here. Who has told the person that he/she has no success written, again an astrologer with a prediction? How can one be so sure. We are not God. God decides course of our life, we cannot predict that.
There were three big fishes living in a lake who were very close friends. All three of them were very different from one another. The first one believed in fate. He thought things cannot be changed and what had to happen will happen no matter what. The second one was intelligent. He thought he knew how to solve a problem if he had one, with his intelligence. The third one was the wise one. It thought long and hard before acting.
So one day, the wise fish was happily playing around in the water, when it over heard a fishermen talking to another. "Look at that one, what a big fish... This lake is full of big fishes like this one. Let us come tomorrow and catch them."
It hurriedly swam to it's friends to tell the news. "Let us get out of this lake before those fishermen come back. A canal I know can take us to another lake," the wise one said.
The intelligent fish said, " I know what to do if the fishermen come and catch me."
The fish which believed in fate said, "Whatever to happen will happen, I was born in this lake and I am not going to leave it."
The wise fish didn't want to risk its life, so he took the canal and went to another lake.
The fishermen came back the next morning and cast their net. The rest of the two friends were caught in it along with many other fishes.
The intelligent fish thought of a way to escape, it acted as if it were dead. The fishermen threw him along with other dead fish back into the lake. But the other fish which believed in fate was still jumping in the net and the fishermen struck him dead.
In my life, I have observed whatever had happened was linked with my present. Though some things were suffering for me at that time, but they have proved beneficial in a way. I can connect even smallest of event now.
You have written,
a person who has no success written for him will stop working
I slightly disagree with you here. Who has told the person that he/she has no success written, again an astrologer with a prediction? How can one be so sure. We are not God. God decides course of our life, we cannot predict that.
A person has to initiate somewhere. I will tell you a story of three fishes. I hope my point will be clear to you then. This story is from panchatantra.About God helping those who helps themselves, if a person can help himself, he will not need God's help, so God should help those who can't help themselves.
There were three big fishes living in a lake who were very close friends. All three of them were very different from one another. The first one believed in fate. He thought things cannot be changed and what had to happen will happen no matter what. The second one was intelligent. He thought he knew how to solve a problem if he had one, with his intelligence. The third one was the wise one. It thought long and hard before acting.
So one day, the wise fish was happily playing around in the water, when it over heard a fishermen talking to another. "Look at that one, what a big fish... This lake is full of big fishes like this one. Let us come tomorrow and catch them."
It hurriedly swam to it's friends to tell the news. "Let us get out of this lake before those fishermen come back. A canal I know can take us to another lake," the wise one said.
The intelligent fish said, " I know what to do if the fishermen come and catch me."
The fish which believed in fate said, "Whatever to happen will happen, I was born in this lake and I am not going to leave it."
The wise fish didn't want to risk its life, so he took the canal and went to another lake.
The fishermen came back the next morning and cast their net. The rest of the two friends were caught in it along with many other fishes.
The intelligent fish thought of a way to escape, it acted as if it were dead. The fishermen threw him along with other dead fish back into the lake. But the other fish which believed in fate was still jumping in the net and the fishermen struck him dead.
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rishirahul
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dreamsunlimited wrote:Basab ji
In my life, I have observed whatever had happened was linked with my present. Though some things were suffering for me at that time, but they have proved beneficial in a way. I can connect even smallest of event now.
You have written,
a person who has no success written for him will stop working
I slightly disagree with you here. Who has told the person that he/she has no success written, again an astrologer with a prediction? How can one be so sure. We are not God. God decides course of our life, we cannot predict that.
A person has to initiate somewhere. I will tell you a story of three fishes. I hope my point will be clear to you then. This story is from panchatantra.About God helping those who helps themselves, if a person can help himself, he will not need God's help, so God should help those who can't help themselves.
There were three big fishes living in a lake who were very close friends. All three of them were very different from one another. The first one believed in fate. He thought things cannot be changed and what had to happen will happen no matter what. The second one was intelligent. He thought he knew how to solve a problem if he had one, with his intelligence. The third one was the wise one. It thought long and hard before acting.
So one day, the wise fish was happily playing around in the water, when it over heard a fishermen talking to another. "Look at that one, what a big fish... This lake is full of big fishes like this one. Let us come tomorrow and catch them."
It hurriedly swam to it's friends to tell the news. "Let us get out of this lake before those fishermen come back. A canal I know can take us to another lake," the wise one said.
The intelligent fish said, " I know what to do if the fishermen come and catch me."
The fish which believed in fate said, "Whatever to happen will happen, I was born in this lake and I am not going to leave it."
The wise fish didn't want to risk its life, so he took the canal and went to another lake.
The fishermen came back the next morning and cast their net. The rest of the two friends were caught in it along with many other fishes.
The intelligent fish thought of a way to escape, it acted as if it were dead. The fishermen threw him along with other dead fish back into the lake. But the other fish which believed in fate was still jumping in the net and the fishermen struck him dead.
Hi,
Wonderfully said!!
Maybe basab can try to apply his intelligence well to better his life.
I am told that Paka lagna is the area where one should apply his intelligence to get results.
RishiRahul
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dreamsunlimited
Thanks for the appreciation, RishiRahul.
What is Paka lagna? Sorry but I hardly know about astrological terms.
What is Paka lagna? Sorry but I hardly know about astrological terms.
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Basab
Krishnagopal ji,
Aseem's lagna is the 9th house of the natural zodiac, which is the house of religion, not the house of love, and the lord of that house is Jupiter, which is again a planet of religion, not of love. Compared to that, my lagna is Libra, which is the 7th sign of the natural zodiac, which is the house of relationships, and Venus its lord is the planet of romance. So here, my chart indicates more romantic inclination than Aseem’s.
Now, coming to lagna lord, Aseem’s is in the 11th house and mine is in the 8th house, so here Aseem’s chart gets an edge over mine as far as romantic nature is concerned. I said ‘edge over mine’ because Venus being the lagna lord in own sign, even if in the 8th house, definitely shows the romantic side in a person, even if Jupiter being the lagna lord in the 11th house with own sign Venus gives the person having the chart an edge over the former one.
Aseem’s lord of fortune is in the 11th house, but debilitated, my lord of fortune is in the house of fortune only (digbala in the navamsha) and conjunct 11th lord of desire, which is vargattoma.
Aseem’s 3rd lord is exalted in the 11th house, my 3rd lord is vargattoma in the 11th house and aspects the 3rd house from there.
My 5th house of romance doesn’t have the aspect of Venus, but my 5th lord of romance, aspects my lagna and lagna lord, which is Venus, so there is a connection between Venus, 5th house of romance and the lagna, which indicates personality.
By saying all this I am not trying to prove myself a romantic person, but just trying to compare two charts, not getting biased by how they have affected the lives of the people they belong to.
About maybe I have had been a very romantic person in my previous life, well, seeing my Venus in own sign in the 8th house of past lives, I think you have a point there. This 8th house is the most mysterious house. No one can fathom its depth. It is supposed to be the most subtle house, and whichever planet sits there, acts very subtly—same in my case. I till date have not been able to understand my stand, when it comes to Venus, and its significations. It’s not just about love, but about everything that Venus signifies. I will just share with you what I have understood: I love to think about 'love' all the time. It fascinates me, but then, when it comes to falling in love, I don’t find the initiative in me for that. I am very bookish when it comes to my fascination for that emotion. I love it more in theory than what it is about when you see it in life. I may enjoy watching a romantic movie, enjoy reading a book, which has a bit of that emotion, or write stories on love, but when it comes to making it a part of my own life, I don’t feel the urge in me to go for it, though I may be dreaming all day about how beautiful the feeling must be when you are in love. Something stops me. I think Venus in the 8th house, which is a deep house, is not much attracted to the 'coffee-shop love' that we see around, or maybe, this Venus is so subtle that it doesn’t want to express this emotion but to feel it.
Saturn, the planet of restriction, aspecting this Venus, I feel, restricts it more, stopping it from expressing itself at all. It wants the emotion to stay inside. It’s like the heart full of love has been zipped up from outside never to come out but always to stay inside.
Saturn as the 5th lord of romance is also a big irony from destiny’s side: the house of romance being ruled by a planet, which has the traits of a yogi.
Someone told me recently that my 8th house Venus in own sign signifies that I have this deep interest in everything that Venus signifies, but I am not going for them. I think it's true.
About Moon period, well, I don’t know what it has in store for me, and I didn’t actually understand what you meant by it maybe is my actual need.
About my Venus-Mars period, nothing happened. I had a crush on a girl, whom I didn’t even know, except talking to her a couple of times.
Aseem's lagna is the 9th house of the natural zodiac, which is the house of religion, not the house of love, and the lord of that house is Jupiter, which is again a planet of religion, not of love. Compared to that, my lagna is Libra, which is the 7th sign of the natural zodiac, which is the house of relationships, and Venus its lord is the planet of romance. So here, my chart indicates more romantic inclination than Aseem’s.
Now, coming to lagna lord, Aseem’s is in the 11th house and mine is in the 8th house, so here Aseem’s chart gets an edge over mine as far as romantic nature is concerned. I said ‘edge over mine’ because Venus being the lagna lord in own sign, even if in the 8th house, definitely shows the romantic side in a person, even if Jupiter being the lagna lord in the 11th house with own sign Venus gives the person having the chart an edge over the former one.
Aseem’s lord of fortune is in the 11th house, but debilitated, my lord of fortune is in the house of fortune only (digbala in the navamsha) and conjunct 11th lord of desire, which is vargattoma.
Aseem’s 3rd lord is exalted in the 11th house, my 3rd lord is vargattoma in the 11th house and aspects the 3rd house from there.
My 5th house of romance doesn’t have the aspect of Venus, but my 5th lord of romance, aspects my lagna and lagna lord, which is Venus, so there is a connection between Venus, 5th house of romance and the lagna, which indicates personality.
By saying all this I am not trying to prove myself a romantic person, but just trying to compare two charts, not getting biased by how they have affected the lives of the people they belong to.
About maybe I have had been a very romantic person in my previous life, well, seeing my Venus in own sign in the 8th house of past lives, I think you have a point there. This 8th house is the most mysterious house. No one can fathom its depth. It is supposed to be the most subtle house, and whichever planet sits there, acts very subtly—same in my case. I till date have not been able to understand my stand, when it comes to Venus, and its significations. It’s not just about love, but about everything that Venus signifies. I will just share with you what I have understood: I love to think about 'love' all the time. It fascinates me, but then, when it comes to falling in love, I don’t find the initiative in me for that. I am very bookish when it comes to my fascination for that emotion. I love it more in theory than what it is about when you see it in life. I may enjoy watching a romantic movie, enjoy reading a book, which has a bit of that emotion, or write stories on love, but when it comes to making it a part of my own life, I don’t feel the urge in me to go for it, though I may be dreaming all day about how beautiful the feeling must be when you are in love. Something stops me. I think Venus in the 8th house, which is a deep house, is not much attracted to the 'coffee-shop love' that we see around, or maybe, this Venus is so subtle that it doesn’t want to express this emotion but to feel it.
Saturn, the planet of restriction, aspecting this Venus, I feel, restricts it more, stopping it from expressing itself at all. It wants the emotion to stay inside. It’s like the heart full of love has been zipped up from outside never to come out but always to stay inside.
Saturn as the 5th lord of romance is also a big irony from destiny’s side: the house of romance being ruled by a planet, which has the traits of a yogi.
Someone told me recently that my 8th house Venus in own sign signifies that I have this deep interest in everything that Venus signifies, but I am not going for them. I think it's true.
About Moon period, well, I don’t know what it has in store for me, and I didn’t actually understand what you meant by it maybe is my actual need.
About my Venus-Mars period, nothing happened. I had a crush on a girl, whom I didn’t even know, except talking to her a couple of times.
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Basab
Dream,
I have hardly come across people who have been able to connect the miseries of his present life with the happenings in his present life, but exceptions to the rule are always there, you being an example of that. I agree that sometimes what we face in life is sometimes connected to what he have done in life, but then, it doesn't work that way most of the times because if it did, then the very basis of astrology would turn out to be meaningless. It is said that a birth chart is a map of our life, it shows our journey in our life, showing the joys and the successes, and the miseries and failures that we will have to pass through in our journey. Now if everything that happens in our life has a basis to it in this life only, what is the basis to the birth chart that we are born with? When we take birth we have done no karma, neither good, nor bad, but the birth chart tells the whole story of our life from that day to the day we die, telling us how much we will enjoy and how much we will suffer--on what basis is that awarded to us?
Some people are born blind, deaf, dumb, what is the reason for their handicap as they had just taken birth in the world to have any reason for why they have been given such a punishment. How do you explain that?
I have hardly come across people who have been able to connect the miseries of his present life with the happenings in his present life, but exceptions to the rule are always there, you being an example of that. I agree that sometimes what we face in life is sometimes connected to what he have done in life, but then, it doesn't work that way most of the times because if it did, then the very basis of astrology would turn out to be meaningless. It is said that a birth chart is a map of our life, it shows our journey in our life, showing the joys and the successes, and the miseries and failures that we will have to pass through in our journey. Now if everything that happens in our life has a basis to it in this life only, what is the basis to the birth chart that we are born with? When we take birth we have done no karma, neither good, nor bad, but the birth chart tells the whole story of our life from that day to the day we die, telling us how much we will enjoy and how much we will suffer--on what basis is that awarded to us?
Some people are born blind, deaf, dumb, what is the reason for their handicap as they had just taken birth in the world to have any reason for why they have been given such a punishment. How do you explain that?
I don't know why you are bringing the topic of astrologers and their predictions here. I said a person who is not destined to succeed will not ever feel the inclination to work hard. If God has written success for a person, He will make sure that He gets in the person a mindset, which is of putting efforts; otherwise, the person may go against God's wish, by not working hard and thus, not get the success written for him by God. If everything happens as per God's will then whether a person will sit back and relax or work hard to achieve success will also happen as per God's will and not as per a person's own will.I slightly disagree with you here. Who has told the person that he/she has no success written, again an astrologer with a prediction? How can one be so sure. We are not God. God decides course of our life, we cannot predict that.
Do you mean to say that if a person doesn't initiate somewhere, He is just ignoring what God has written for Him? The last few years I have done nothing but enjoyed my time, indulging in my hobbies, so do you mean to say that I rebelled against God, and chose my own path? Do you mean to say that God is feeling helpless seeing me sitting idle because He had planned a lot of success for me, which I ignored as I didn't put any effort in my life?A person has to initiate somewhere. I will tell you a story of three fishes.
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