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Basab

Aseem,

You have started a very nice and interesting topic. I would like to share my thoughts on it with you and with everyone else here. To be honest with you, I didn’t know what spirituality meant even two years back. Well, it’s not that I didn’t know the definition of "spirituality" as is given in the dictionary, but I didn’t know what it really meant. I didn’t know what it was about, and why it was necessary to become spiritual. It’s true that I had heard about salvation and knew that being spiritual had something to do with that, maybe even knew that salvation was the goal of spirituality, but still then, it was not that clear to me, and as like you, I was not interested in it at all till 2008—the posts here in the discussion board upto that time is evidence of that. Well, I don’t know how much I am interested in it even now, but then, my reading books on this subject shows that I take some interest in it, to be doing that. :)

When I started reading posts on spirituality here on the discussion board, I kept thinking what it meant—it just went over my head, all the discussions that used to take place here—not that some of them doesn’t go over my head even now, but then, I understand it better now and can proudly claim to have been a part of some of the discussions on it in recent times. :)

I was told by Anupamji that I would take to spirituality one day, and I used to tell him that the sun can rise from the west, but me getting into spirituality is just impossible. Well, I won’t say that I have got into spirituality, as in leading a spiritual life, but I have got into it surely, or else why the major chunk of books I have read in the last two years have been on spirituality?

When Anupamji used to tell me that I would become spiritual, I used to find it difficult to believe. After all, I was not interested in it at all. But then, being the big believer in destiny, and knowing how it can turn around people’s lives, I was not so sure from within that I would not get into it as I was showing it to everyone here.

In the month of September, or maybe October, in 2008, destiny made me take a small dip in the water of spirituality. I bought K.N. Rao’s book, “Yogis, Destiny and The Wheel of Time”. I remember debating in my mind about whether to buy the book or not because I was not in anyway interested in spirituality and that book was about “yogis”, but then, as the book was about “destiny” too and also about “the wheel of time”, and those being topics of my interest, I decided to buy it. And then, I will not lie, I also wanted to know the life yogis led, and what they had to say about life. :)

So I bought the book, read it and loved it very much. And the main thing—I got to understand what spirituality was all about. I remember telling an online friend, who was into spirituality and who knew, I was not into that at all, that I finally knew what spirituality means. He was a bit surprised by my comment, I guess, but then, I explained, and he understood what I meant when I said that. :)

That was that. Now that I had known what spirituality was all about, I turned my focus back to astrology. I was happy that at least then I would be able to follow the discussions on spirituality on the board and write a few lines if I wished to participate in the discussion—though I had no wish to do that at that time. But destiny, it seemed, had other plans for me—as Anupamji had said. I had to get more into spirituality. :D

A lady sent me a pm here during that time. She said she thought she knew me, and she didn’t know why, but she thought that she had to write to me and help me out!! At that time I was going through health problems and was really down, and the timing of the mail from that lady surprised me. It was like God had sent her to guide me. It was indeed like that.

She told me about spirituality and kept on asking me to get into it. I didn’t want to get into it at any cost. At last she told me that I should read the book “Autobiography of a Yogi”. I didn’t want to read it, and I kept on making excuses to not read the book. After that I finally bought the book and read it and loved it so much, I can’t say. I have thanked her many times for asking me to read the book. That was the second book I read on spirituality—and one of the best I have read so far. She stopped writing to me after that! It was like she had just come to get me into spirituality, and once done with her job, she didn't want to keep in touch. She doesn’t write to me at all since then!

I know you must be thinking what this story has to do with spirituality; well, I will come to it slowly. Now, I read many spiritual books since then, and honestly speaking, I have been reading spiritual books only, since the last 2 years. :)

Now who is spiritual? Well, a person who seeks God—nothing else, but God—is spiritual. He doesn’t find interest in anything material so much attracted he is to God. That person is spiritual. That is what I understood about spirituality.

There are three kinds of people who take to spirituality—the first type is the one who is born with spiritual traits, like Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda and many others. The second type is the one whose desire for material enjoyment has been satiated, and he doesn’t want it anymore—that is when the interest in understanding the truth of life dawns in him and he starts walking in that direction. There is the third kind—those who have suffered so much in life that they either grow a hatred for material life or wants to escape it. They also turn to spirituality.

It is true that material things can’t give us eternal happiness and so not running after them is the best course of action, but the point is, even though I know it, even though I believe in it heart and soul, I still run after material things. It is true that detaching oneself from material things and thinking about God can find you happiness for eternity, but then, I feel that if I don’t get the chance to fulfill my wish, I will regret about it all my life. So as material pleasures can’t give happiness, detaching oneself from it, for spirituality, can’t also give you happiness, if you don’t willingly walk towards it.

Now, I have talked about the three kinds of spiritual people. The first two kinds willingly walks towards spirituality, but the third kind, who is driven by difficult circumstances into spirituality, is he really inclined towards it, or is he walking towards it because he has no other choice? I fall in the third kind. I feel if I wasn't knocked again and again by life, I would not have taken one bit of interest in spirituality. I don’t know what others feel, but I feel that way.

I relish every book I read on spirituality, and I think it to be the ultimate truth. It has helped me understand life better, and I would definitely have regretted if I had not read about it, understood it, but then, I find it difficult to follow it.

Now that’s what I think now—God knows what I will think tomorrow. I think it would be foolish on my part to show this confidence about never becoming completely spiritual, just like I had made the mistake of showing two years back—when I had said that the sun can rise in the west, but I can’t be spiritual. Destiny is such a power that it can, I feel, even make the sun rise from the west, and then make the next impossible, me getting spiritual, possible. That’s the kind of power destiny holds! Now, here I will get back to the story of that lady getting me into spirituality. I feel it was all destined—all timed perfectly. She kept on talking to me about spirituality, and I remember, we used to argue on this point, of why one should become spiritual, which she was finding it difficult to convince me, and it continued for quite a few months and some 60-70 mails exchanged in that period between us, talking and arguing and discussing, and finally, her asking me to read the book, "Autobiography of a Yogi" and my refusing, till at last I bought it and read it. I kept on talking at that time about my belief in destiny and my believing in accepting it, to her, but I didn’t know then that I was going against the will of destiny—not accepting what the lady said as destiny had chosen her as an instrument, to convince me to get into spirituality. I bought the book, read it and was interested in spirituality and liking it even! I was just going to start the sub-period of Saturn then, and Saturn is the 5th lord in my chart—5th house being one of the spiritual houses in a birth chart. I have been running the sub-period of Saturn since the last 1.5 years, and I have been reading most books on spirituality since then—Anupamji's predictions came true as you can see.

So, I feel, if you are destined to be spiritual, you will end up being that one day—whether you like it or not. It’s not a choice that one makes. :(

TO BE CONTINUED...
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arya

Basab,

that was a good post...the delineation was intresting...and yes it matters that your wishes need to be satisfied before you turn to spiritual pursuits...

Aseem,

what i have always felt is that before walking in the light, you need to specifically walk on the darker part of it and be a part of the darkness and it is only when you want light so badly that you would start trying for it at any rate...

there is no choosing a path...i have always believed that the path chooses you :D

regards,
Basab

Thank you, Aseem and Arya.
Basab

CONTINUATION...

I remember a person telling me one-and-a-half-year back when I was talking about spirituality and my interest in it—I had just developed some interest in spirituality then—that I should first lead a materialistic life because then only will the desire to detach myself from it come. Now, I guess, seeing me a young guy, he must have thought that what was this young fellow, who has just started his life, thinking of leaving everything when he is yet to enjoy a material life? I wish I could tell him that with my fate almost sealed and no option in front of me—with all roads blocked and only the road to God open—I had no choice other than taking the spiritual path. But then, he not being someone known to me, I didn’t bother to tell him about the reason I got into spirituality, but those words of his still ring in my mind—because there is a lot of truth in it. What was I giving up? Did I have anything to give up? Destiny had already detached me from everything, and now, I was giving that condition in my life the name of spirituality, to make it sound better. I thought it was wrong. And I still think that, but then, if spirituality can give me some comfort, why not be in it? Well, I would have if it was giving me comfort; if it had helped me accept my life better. Spirituality is not giving me any comfort—but still I am reading books on it and enjoying the concept. As long as I am reading it as theory, it is fine, but when I am trying to apply it in in my life, I am finding it difficult.
Basab

Aseem:

It is said that material life can never make us happy—fulfillment of material desires can’t give eternal happiness. Well, that is what the theory says, and I believe it too, but then, as is said, to realize something, you have to experience it, so as long as we don’t experience it, as long as we don’t get the taste of success and still not find eternal happiness it, how will we ever believe that material success can’t give eternal happiness? Material failure can’t give happiness, that I have seen in my life, and material success is also not supposed to give happiness, but then, though I believe it, and have seen it in life's of other people, I am yet to experience it, and as long as I don’t experience it, I will keep on repenting that I didn’t get the chance to see how it feels when one finds success. That is why I feel, that until all your material wishes are fulfilled, you can’t take to spirituality, fully.

Aseem, you have asked this very interesting question: is there an end to material desires? Well, I am not sure whether I am giving you the correct answer, but from the little that I have understood and seen in my own life, I think there is an end to material desires—it may take a long, long time, but there is an end to it, alright. I will give you an example from my own life—I was very fond of ice creams—I used to have ice-creams a lot—but now, even though I like it, I am not that much fond of it as I was some years back. So my desire for ice-creams has been sated almost, by my having it all the time.
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Basab

The buying will end when you have bought all the Archies comics. :D
aseem82 wrote:Well Basabji...you are lucky that desires get worn out with the passage of time...But look at me, I love Archies comics a lot and I am in late twenties, I AM STILL BUYING ARCHIES....OMG...I am not teenager anymore but I really don't know why I still love them
arya

Aseem,

This is an intresting question.....
Why we should turn to spirituality when materialistic life is giving us happiness???
If this situation was true 100% for all people for all time, we would never have heard of renunciates who renounced kingdoms and pleasures, millionaires who chucked it all and became great enlighteners...but the fact is that it is not lends the above hypothesis very weak... :)

I still think that spirituality is not something that should be forced on you....it is something that your mind and heart has to want ....and then only it will work..It is also intresting that except Budha almost all the gods and saints in Hindu mythology had troubled and very sad lives....

It is only when you have so much troubles and sadness in life that you remember god.....We will all go running and crying and screaming to god asking Why me,God ? at each and every point of time when sadness overwhelms us so much ...we do not fo this when happiness overwhelms us...we never ask why we have been given a promotion, a bful wife/husband,good children,luxury...we deserve them ....we deserve happiness but we do not deserve sorrow.... :)

each and every life is unique and so is each and every destiny,path and choices taken......

regards,
arya
Basab

arya wrote:I still think that spirituality is not something that should be forced on you....it is something that your mind and heart has to want ....and then only it will work..
But, Arya, a person who takes willingly to spirituality may have also had a lot of misery to have gone for it, so wasn't he forced by destiny to take that path?
arya

need not be Basab..in the eras of Chandraswamis and Nithyananda's this premise does not hold true any more....

We Indians are a lot more susceptible to God in any form, human or otherwise...and we just just fall at their feet......

Trying to exploit people by being part of organised religion per se is the greatest shortcut to riches,fame,power now a days...

and Aseem, if if we were happy with our desires then there would not be such great queues in godmen's and women's ashram na and at temples across India..

honestly, I have never gone to a temple and cried becuase another human being is suffering...i have only cried bcos of my own suffering .... :D
Basab

arya wrote:honestly, I have never gone to a temple and cried becuase another human being is suffering...i have only cried bcos of my own suffering .... :D
Arya,

I haven't gone to a temple to cry even for my own suffering because I find God everywhere--not just in a temple. :D
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Aseem ji and everyone else,

Few rushed random points as they come to mind...

My idea of being spiritual is about acknowledging that when the body dies, the soul lives on.

I think maybe its possible to be materialistic and still be spiritual.

Being a soul that never dies, makes me wonder about soul connections. That we are all someway connected, and that God as we believe - may be our parent. That is why we sometimes like people instantly, and hate others for no reason at all.

Well I am one of those who is extremely spiritual and intuitive too. I feel that God or maybe other souls give us signs- which few of us manage to decipher. That also reaffirms my faith and belief in spirituality - At the same time, I still like material objects, even if it is a worthless broken piece of junk jewellery.

I guess the title implies those few who choose materialism at the cost of spirituality. People who spend fortunes on diamonds, etc etc assuming they can take it with them. Some believe they can control their destiny, and that karma doesn't exist.

Bad times surely make FEW of us spiritual - thats a good sign - we are here to learn lessons or pay for our sins. Some of us understand that, others don't. I actually do cry for OTHERS miseries, even if i see a total stranger in extreme pain - a few tears will always come out. :-) There have been times I have prayed for hours for others - people I may not know directly.

I read a book - the laws of the spirit world - Khorshed bhavnagri, A lot of it made sense to my beliefs.

One more thing comes to mind - being spiritual brought about one more change in me - I see beauty in EVERYTHING. When the mind is fully focussed on ONLY material pursuits, we fail to notice the natural beauty around us. Since the soul itself requires no material possesions, it can focus more on things that are not obvious to the Materialistic eye. :-)

I also agree that God sometimes sends us messengers - when he/she wishes to communicate with us. I experience this often. Sometimes it also helps to ask questions and surrender - sooner or later, the answer shows up. :-)
Nitin21

onlyhope wrote: My idea of being spiritual is about acknowledging that when the body dies, the soul lives on.
Dear onlyhope - This is a stunner. It sounds like a simple statement that everyone knows, but you put it in the right perspective. This statement alone when analyzed with honest knowledge, opens up all the doors of spirituality. You are indeed a very deep person.

Best regards
Sonu
Basab

Arya,
arya wrote:It is only when you have so much troubles and sadness in life that you remember god.....We will all go running and crying and screaming to god asking Why me,God ? at each and every point of time when sadness overwhelms us so much ...we do not fo this when happiness overwhelms us...we never ask why we have been given a promotion, a bful wife/husband,good children,luxury...we deserve them ....we deserve happiness but we do not deserve sorrow.... :)
I don't agree with you on this. It's not just when we have trouble and sadness that we remember God, we remember God when we are very happy too--with some of our dreams having got fulfilled. When I get something I have wished for, the first person I thank is, God, and I never forget to do that. Now coming to this crying and screaming to God and asking, "Why me?", I never ask God "Why me?" because there are a million people, who are in my condition or in a worse condition than me. The question "Why me?" would be logical if you are one of the rare ones, who is in a big problem in life, which is rarely the case. Neither do I ask "Why me?" when I am in trouble, nor do I ask "Why me?" when I am in happiness, but it is true that when I am in trouble I tell God, I know why I am suffering--it's due to my destiny, due to the bad karmas of my past lives--rest is upto you. By that I mean, if He has a heart, He will comfort me some way--put balm on the wound caused my destiny at least. He has done that for me always, and I am thankful to Him for that, always.

A person who doesn't thank God when happiness overwhelms him is an atheist, I feel, because according to me, a person who has even a little belief in God will automatically say, 'thank you, God', even if he is not a devotee of Him. So going forward with that logic in mind, why complain to God when you don't believe in His existence? Just like you didn't remember Him in your joy, forget Him in your sorrow, too. Now, coming to the people who believes in God and thanks Him when he is overwhelmed with happiness, you thank someone when the person has done you some favour, and when you think someone has done you a favour, it means you didn't feel you deserved it. The same way, when sadness ovewhelms us, we complain to God because then again we think that God is responsible for it. So just as we complain to God, blaming Him for our misery, we thank Him too, thinking our success to be due to His favour. The reality is something different--God is neither the cause of our happiness, not is He the cause of our suffering. Because we don't remember the karmas done in our past lives, we don't understand the actual reason for our suffering or our happiness and connect it to God. If God had wanted, He would have made us remember the karmas from ur past lives, the fruits of some of which are sweet and of some which are sour, and then, we would not have been so confused, but then, God didn't plan it that way, and I don't question His planning, because it is not possible for an ordinary guy like me to understand God.
arya wrote:each and every life is unique and so is each and every destiny,path and choices taken......

Very true what you have said, but inspite of the uniqueness of each and every life, the destination of all of them is the same: salvation. :wink:
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Sonu ji : -- Thank you for your kind words. :-)

Aseem ji and Basab Ji --

Well being spiritual means I see God as another soul too. When I'm happy I rush to thank him - in my heart, my mind, my temple. At times I find I dont even 'pray', I have more of a "hi hello God ji how are we today" attitude. Sometimes i rationalise with Him too.

I had a knee injury and was in pain for a year. I couldnt even kneel down, had to keep my leg straight at all times. Then I tried asking God the logic behind it - If i dont have strength to pray or to 'matha teko' before him, whats the point, whats my lesson? The pain still persists, but yes i can fully kneel down now, head on the floor, and bow to his greatness. I dont see it as a bribe, but a blessing. :-) The lesson was - how blessed I am that I have my leg intact. That I can walk, that I am not handicapped or paraplegic. That the pain is bearable. etc etc etc...

I think simply asking for guidance - helps us receive it, provided we are receptive. At least it does for me. :-)

Definitely seeing others worse than me, keeps me going. Even if i'm sick and alone with no one to take care of me, I thank God i'm sick and alone, in a room, and not starving, hungry, and sick and alone on the streets in the cold weather. This way I can always think of a situation worse than mine.

The key is the learning. The lesson we are being taught. Or the lesson we chose to learn. The reason we are born.

Its like this - a prep school kid has lighter exams, but one who aims for a double Phd will obviously have to willingly struggle more, for the higher rewards. Same is the case with spiritual progress. The tough times we go through - are only the lessons and the tests. How we fare - decides where we end up on the spiritual scale.

One clue to this is how well we see others souls. Instead of their physical appearances and their status etc., When I'm with people i cant see anything superficial. Probably that got me started to understand how spiritual I am, and should be. I see things in ways others cant , even if they try.

Just sharing what i genuinely feel and believe .. .. :-)
Basab

Aseem,

I have made my point--others are entitled to have their own views on the matter.
aseem82 wrote:
arya wrote:
It is only when you have so much troubles and sadness in life that you remember god.....We will all go running and crying and screaming to god asking Why me,God ? at each and every point of time when sadness overwhelms us so much ...we do not fo this when happiness overwhelms us
Basabji, she is right about it.....This is the mentality with most of the people in the world....People thanking God in good times are rare these days...
Basab

Onlyhope,

You are a very spriritual person, and it shows up in your posts. One thing got comfirmed for me though: I am not spiritual, and I can never be that. I can accept my life with all the suffering giving it the name of destiny, but then, I can't accept it because it has some lesson in it for me. I have quite a few books on spirituality, and the life that it talks about, I know I am not ready for that yet.
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Basab

Aseem,

I thank God when something positive happens in my life, and I think most people do that, and I don't complain to Him when something negative happens because I know why I am suffering--because of bad karmas done in my past life. I know He is seeing my suffering, and when He thinks right, He will help me, so I don't ask for help from Him, but He does help me always as I have seen in my life.
aseem82 wrote:
Aseem,

I have made my point--others are entitled to have their own views on the matter.
well quite good to see that at least there is someone like you who thanks God even in good times....Indeed we need to learn from you... :)
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Basab

Aseem,

Is 30 years non-stop suffering temporary? That's how it has been for me. And not just that--failure in almost every department. And still, I never asked for anything from God, and I won't ask for anything even in the future because I believe in predestined destiny. Am I angry with God? No, I am indifferent about Him most of the times, but I definitely love Him.

About lessons, well, I don't really bother about them. And about God testing me, I don't believe in that. But that's how I look at life, and everyone has their own take on life.
aseem82 wrote:Well I am shocked to see you suffer...I know my attempt to motivate you and lift your spirits will be a futile exercise....But believe me all sufferings in life are temporary and every man or woman has to undergo mental trauma at some point of life...Even Lord Rama had to undergo sufferings when He lost his wife Sitaji...Like Hopeji said that there are lessons for us to learn and God is testing us...

Believe me this is temporary.... :)
arya

lo Aseem and Basab ,

@Basab : I agree with you that people should not behave like that ..ie remember God only in bad times etal...but for me I believe in God...there are lots of things that i have had to learn and still do....

I was dicussing a personal situation with a dear friend of mine and he told me something about himself which struck me ......He said that he does not have unwavering faith in god....after the conversation was over, I sat down and thought about myself and came to the above same conclusion.....i do not have this unwavering faith....

My faith comes and goes and there are times when i feel very very near God and there are time when i rant and rage and say why did u put me through that traumatic experience ? ....and now i know that how much ever philosophy i read , how much ever knowledge i have ...i do not have blind faith

i need to come to that point when i would have that, when i have to understand that i operate in a framework not just of my own making but of something bigger...unseen,unknoweable....

the very successful people from birth may not have faith but it is the eternal strugglers who turn to him ...like every character of Amitabh Bachan in the anti hero movies of 70's, when we are so beaten by the world, there is no place left to go, when if you cry you would have blood streaming down your cheeks, you will slowly painfully ascent each and every step to a temple and ring every bell and ask for justice......and some times ...

hope u all had a lovely weekend....

regards,

arya
Nitin21

Dear Onlyhope,
The pain still persists, but yes i can fully kneel down now, head on the floor, and bow to his greatness.
You have been born with the lesson of not propagating your mortal ego in front of the all pervasive Lord. This is inbuilt in you because you carried forward that partially learnt lesson from your past lives. Your learning finished with this statement in current life. The single most barrier in merging with the Lord is already removed. This is akin to Moksha. Rest all is prarabdha. It will melt away with time. Better times are awaiting to embrace you with open arms. :)


Best Regards
Sonu
arya

Dear Sonu,

do u know that i envy u since u have that inbuilt belief so much.....how did u have it? trial or error or where u born with it ?

regards,

arya
Nitin21

Dear Arya,

Credit goes to my grandparents for getting me started in childhood. And the final makeover credit goes to my Guruji, to whom I am ever indebted from the bottom of my heart. Never have i felt so good in distress, as much as I have felt in last 2 years ever since I met my Guruji. I pray the Lord in him. He is my Shri Hari and Narayana :) . My rinhanubandha with him is beyond material accomplishments. He has literally lifted me up from rock bottom in terms of Spirituality. Whatever I learn from him, I do not have any doubts whatsoever in the content.

I am merely an instrument. Whatever you see is shade of my grandparents and My respected and very dear Guruji.
Regards
Sonu
Basab

Arya,

If you don’t mind, would you share with me what you meant when you talked about faith in God? I mean, by faith in God do you mean a person should take every suffering as some kind of lesson for ultimate good, or do you think one should believe that nothing wrong can happen because God will come and help you out?

I don’t know about others, but I feel, God will not help, as in, change a person’s destiny, so if a person is praying to God to make his life better when it is not supposed to be so as per his destiny, then he is just wasting his time—because God will not fulfill his wish, ever.

About there being a bigger reason for ultimate good behind everything that happens in a person’s life, well, there is I am sure, but then, can one surrender one’s happiness for it, even if he knows it? That is the big question one has to ask himself.

So my question to you is what do you mean by that unshakable faith? I feel that when life gives you a bad blow, it is difficult to accept it from a spiritual perspective—difficult to find some lesson in that. And sometimes when we do try to find a lesson, we are trying to escape the reality—trying to find some positive, trying to make ourselves feel better. Now, there is nothing wrong in that—nothing wrong at all. It is maybe good that a person is trying to find positive in a negative situation. But I like to accept things the way they are.

I never prayed to God to help me—because seeing so much suffering among people, I knew from the very beginning that God would not come to help if one needs His help. I believe in accepting my destiny, and when I say, I have to accept my destiny, I know I am not talking about destiny from a philosophical perspective that I have to suffer the bad karmas of my previous life—because I find it difficult to accept this that I am to suffer inspite of not doing any bad karma in my present life because I did bad karma in my last life—but from a logical perspective that “what cannot be cured must be endured”. Yes, I break down many times, I think of God too in most of those times, but then, I don’t pray to Him, don’t ask Him to help me.

I remember hearing a dialogue in a serial sometime back, and it had moved me. A person asks a lady, who is sitting on the road and whom he knows also: “Why are you sitting on the road and begging for food? I don’t like it.” The lady replies: “It is my destiny. Why should I be ashamed of my destiny?” (The dialogues were in Hindi, but I have written them in English.)

Then, in another serial there was this scene, where a lady who had had an ill fate all through her life stands in front of God and says, “Destiny finally ended up feeling pity for me,” (The dialogue was in Hindi, but I have written it in English) when something good happened in her life at last. I wondered why the lady was thanking destiny, and not God? Did she think that destiny was more powerful than God, and God was just like a friend with whom she was sharing her happiness that destiny had offered her, finally feeling some pity for her?

Yes, successful people more often than not don’t have much belief in God, and the people who fail more are more attached to God, mostly, but I wonder why? Maybe because it is the insecurity, which makes a person think of God more, though God doesn’t help anyone, as in, changing what is destined to happen. I know of many who have prayed to God a lot and nothing has happened for their good, and still they are on with their prayers to Him. There is nothing wrong in it. I am just saying what I have seen.
arya wrote:the very successful people from birth may not have faith but it is the eternal strugglers who turn to him ...like every character of Amitabh Bachan in the anti hero movies of 70's, when we are so beaten by the world, there is no place left to go, when if you cry you would have blood streaming down your cheeks, you will slowly painfully ascent each and every step to a temple and ring every bell and ask for justice......and some times ...
If you walk up to a temple and ring the bell there a few times, will God do justice to you? I mean what justice will He do when what you are suffering is a justice in itself—the result of the bad karmas you have done in your previous life?
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Thank you, Aseem. I learn a lot from the daily soaps I watch. :)
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