Spirituality, Astrology, Destiny, B. Geeta, Celibacy

[Basab]

By I mean, .

basab ji,

wht do you mean by this ?

[Basab]

Do what you want to, I don't care. I am in a romantic mood now, and I am loving it. Forget spirituality and listen to this romantic song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2h_ZIpeFpw I heard it 20 times since last night. Where is my dream girl?

I have started going to gym man..You should be better be scared, man, for I am gonna reduce to a pulp!!!

[Basab]

Say what you want to, you can't provoke me to a fight now. I am in a romantic mood. I am hearing the lovely song that I have posted in the previous page. It feels like I am singing the song and strumming the guitar, thinking about my dream girl. It feels like heaven. I am in love with 'love'. No wonder: Venus is in the 5th house from my lagna in transit now.

[Basab]

Aseem,

Yes, it was you who gave me the link of the song yesterday night, and I am really thankful to you for that. This is one of the best romantic songs I have ever heard, and it fits me so well. I am always so much looking for my dream girl. It's like the song has been made just for me. I love it so much. I can't stop myself from hearing it again and again.

Yeah, we have a similar nature because we both have Venus in own signs. No one can understand what 'love' means unless he has Venus in own sign. I missed your company too, glad we are friends again. Destiny didn't like the clash, so it made us patch up again.

Wasn't this one that I recommended to you some time back?

Hey man, you really like me. I really missed your company man.

[Basab]

Well, man, I was hearing the song now, so couldn't get back to replying to your post. Yeah, we have patched up, and it will go down in history as an amazing friendship of lifetimes, with this song from the movie 'Sholey': Yeh dosti, hum nehi todege, todege, dam magar, tera saath na chodege.

you are thinking too much over what to write. If we are cool, then it will be a historic patch up!!!

[Basab]

Hehehehehe!

[Basab]

You will never see this side in me because this side is not there in me.

Basab is a diplomatic??? I am yet to see this side of his diplomatic ways!!!

[Talib]

Talibji:

"I think Sri geetha is a demo version of every sadhak's life story. we start wd lots of confusions and depression, then we get some "one" to answer our questions, then all those logical discussion understanding of different "yogas", chetna, three guna's, right and wrong. after all this when our logical power reaches its limitation we see a "virat roopa" which makes us understand who is "the big boss" and then all logics and questioning get failed. then we start working as per his orders, we just start to flow, become an instrument. no complaints any more. In the end, comes the mantra, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja ................"

No words, simply superb, I simply bow down to you master. Talibji, You have revealed all the secrets out here.

Pranams Om

Narayanan

Narayan Ji,

Please dont do this bow down and master thing, appreciate and encourage me as ur younger and that is enough for me.

I am a simple man who always ask god to show me the right direction and take me under his control. He is giving me good thoughts, postive attitude, company of nice and blessed souls, protection. All my gratitude to him.

I am happy that you and aseem liked wt i wrote. It is my life as well.

Love

[Talib]

I blasted the concept of free will after experimenting on myself and stories of a guard on his life and why he believes that only God is the doer.

Aseem,

Wt wld u say for thiss man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ZuKF3d ... re=related

Love

[Sudarshang]

There is free will, Destiny can change as per God's Grace. God is the director cum producer but he gives rewards for extraordinary acting, he gives "ok" for a scene if u make him happy with ur performence or he will ask u to go on repeating unless u make him happy.just like a director he doesnt ask you to act according to him,neither he interferes in your acting. he gives you a scene and ask you to perform at your level best, that performence is free will. the best u perform sooner u will get ok from scene, poor u perform results in more "takes". No director likes more takes

True, surrender to god is your choice(free will). if it is a choice how it cld be predecided

who is the director cum producer of that drama?

True, everyword which has a meaning which can be written in alphabets or in language, gives suffecient proof of its existence since the begining of life or even before it. "free will" has a meaning, evil, god, demons, destiny, positive, negative. they all coexist, we can not accepts ones existence and denies others . but yes, we can "choose" to concentrate more on one

Love

Perfect Answer!

[Sudarshang]

That's a secret ....

Sudarshang Ji,


This is the whole summary of Sri Geeta according to me. all verses of Geeta got merge in to it, and the best part is no one can misinterpret it. .

Its not a secert sir, its been revealed more than 5000 years ago Problem is, we try to understand Sri Geeta like a hollywood action thriller, our senses gets feed when it see arjuna in vishad yoga, when sri krishna teach him, when arjuna fight like a super hero, logical and intellectual discussions. Anyways nector always come at the the end of churning process.

I think Sri geetha is a demo version of every sadhak's life story. we start wd lots of confusions and depression, then we get some "one" to answer our questions, then all those logical discussion understanding of different "yogas", chetna, three guna's, right and wrong. after all this when our logical power reaches its limitation we see a "virat roopa" which makes us understand who is "the big boss" and then all logics and questioning get failed. then we start working as per his orders, we just start to flow, become an instrument. no complaints any more. In the end, comes the mantra, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja ................


Love

Agreed, the reason I stated that as a secret is because - there is more to this shloka than meets the eye. Swami Ramanuja walked 18 times from Srirangam near Trichy to Thikottiyur near Tiruppattur/Karaikkudi - to get the inner meaning of this shloka and then imparted that against his guru's wishes, to those that were interested, on top of the Thirukkottiyur temple. The same Shloka was repeated by the Lord again, this time not to Arjuna but Sri Mahalakshmi as part of the tradition that is still being followed. Therefore it has more to it that meets the eye....

[onlyhope]

Aseem,

A normal healthy person (even if old), terminates his life, and his organs are transplanted to someone very ill, someone who may not live otherwise. What about the negative karma transfer? Its akin to suicide isn't it, even though his organs will be used positively?

One man's life is taken before time, and the others' is prolonged beyond his time. Your thoughts?

-Hope.

[onlyhope]

I don't know if it actually happens, its a hypothesis/question.

Imagine person 1 is very old, wants to end his life, but has a working heart which he wishes to donate to person 2, who will die otherwise, without a donor heart.

Ending ones life just like that, before one's time - is probably associated with bad karma, as only God can take a life. Its akin to glorified suicide with ulterior motives, in the guise of helping someone else. (Withdrawing artificial support from a terminally ill patient is a different issue.)

That person 2's life is also in God's hands.

But the heart he is receiving is a PART of person 1 who has technically committed suicide.

So is there a karma transfer? Body parts can be divided etc, but can souls?

Hypothetically speaking - if one is in need of a donor heart - if its anonymous, he may see it as a gift from God, a miracle. What if some mass murderer, rapist, child molester, etc etc, is shot dead in an encounter and his heart is offered to that same person knowingly? I guess that person MIGHT refuse on spiritual grounds.

Its a tricky issue, i'm not sure myself.

[onlyhope]

Aseem,

I would also like to believe that our karmic patterns are imprinted in every cell of our body - thats why our health issues can reflect in our kundali. Its not the soul that has health issues, its the body.

That was my doubt, that can such issues also be transferred? Even a regular healthy heart may have a certain lifespan - if that is transplanted when its healthy - maybe the recipient will reject it later or the heart itself will develop problems. Sounds confusing, but just my thoughts.

[Sudarshang]

Hope ji

I think after a body dies, the soul leaves with all karmas attached to it and there is no karmic imprint left in the human body. This soul with karmas enters the womb of an expecting mother.

I will find out more about it later on.

Aseem, you are right. Karma is as timeless as the Atma itself. It is a baggage the Atma carries with it from body to body. it carries it even at the time of Pralaya when the whole entire creation is wiped out and then recreated by the Lord. When recreation starts Atmas start manifesting in that creation with the Karma baggage, and start accumulating/spending that karma in that life ...an so on.

[Sudarshang]

Aseem,

I would also like to believe that our karmic patterns are imprinted in every cell of our body - thats why our health issues can reflect in our kundali. Its not the soul that has health issues, its the body.

That was my doubt, that can such issues also be transferred? Even a regular healthy heart may have a certain lifespan - if that is transplanted when its healthy - maybe the recipient will reject it later or the heart itself will develop problems. Sounds confusing, but just my thoughts.

Onlyhope,

you are right, it is the body that has health issues - not the Atma. There is no kundali for the Atma - only for the body. No karma can be transfered from one Atma to another - every Atma has to experience happiness/suffering in order to spend the positive and negative karmas it has acquired. One Atma cannot experience for another's Atma's karma - impossible - that that atma - that that karma only!

[Sudarshang]

Sudarshang ji,

Pardon me about my lack of knowledge on shastras but i have a very keen interest in astronomy and the mysteries of the universe.

What you just wrote makes me think that there is life elsewhere in the Universe and the life itself on the earth came from the other earth which was destroyed in Pralaya. Do you believe in this theory of mine?

There is life on other planets. Shastras say that in each andam there are 14 lokas - 7 upper and 7 lower - Bhoo (Earth), Bhuva:, Suva: (Swarga), Maha: Jana:, Tapa:, and Satya are the 7 upper lokas. Satyaloka is the planet of Brahma. Suva: is the Swarga loka is the paradise that people visit to enjoy the good deeds they have committed. Even there, as the Atma experiences happiness it spends its positive karma. The 7 talas inlcuding the Patala are the lower 7 lokas. There are interim pralayas during which time Bhoo, Bhuva, and Swarga are only destroyed and recreated. MahaPrayala happens when Brahma completes 100 years - that time all 14 lokas i.e basically this whole andam is destroyed and recreated.
Present Brahma is 51 years old...

Despite all this destruction and recreation, .... Atma is eternal - never created, nor destroyed!

[kasgan]

Hi Aseem,

I have one question.

You mentioned that when a soul leaves the body it goes to another body with all its Karma. Is this preselected? Which body to choose?

Since from horoscope of father we get information about child and vice versa, does this mean the karma of father and child is predestined? Does the Karma of parents have a role to play in the selection of karma of the child and hence a particular soul? Is it inter related or entwined?

Hope I made sense.

Look forward to your thoughts.

Many thanks

Kaushik

[Talib]

Aseem,

In my opinion a soul has a discretion to choose his parents and relations according to karmic pattren. a soul can can see and calculate how much did it rise and wt was its growth and what more it has to learn and then accordingly it choose the womb. a soul can see different dimension just like astral body.the more it grew,the more powerful it is. more discretion it has to choose the womb and circumstances, relations which will lead towards god. the less it grew, its discretion is to choose a womb and circumstances which make it learn more. in my opinion it can never be straight it is always a mixture "a mystery". I have no authority on wt i have written, its just my thoughts i get during meditation.

Love

[kasgan]

Hi Aseem

Twins are normally very close to each other and have connection. Does this imply that twins have strong karmic connection? I have another question.

Destiny, is it only for a life time? Or is it for all the life times of a Soul? If its the second case then destiny makes a soul choose its next incarnation.

What is your take on this?

Kaushik

[suniti]

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but you still remain a staunch advaiti in your outlook.

i don't feel myself a staunch advaitin but
you are right sir conditionings are there
i do hope to one day be free of all conditionings of mind and "i'

suniti

You might want to try "jeeva-para ananyam" instead of "Aikyam"....through sharira-Atma Bhavam.
Jeevan=Shariram
Brahmam=Shariri
Shrutis will hold good that way also.

Add to it some Saguna Brahmam, create yourself a paint-book and color HIM as you please

Trust me it is easier than freeing yourself of all conditionings which itself could take lifetimes ...instead get conditioned to Love HIM unconditionally - simply because HE is the big-boss!

thanks
but
maybe you should try though for a minute to look at the idea of oneness
oneness does not mean athiesm, it means one thing thats all
i'm not saying believe it
but just look at it, without judging, rejecting or condemning
and see what rises in the mind
i believe that everyone is saying the same thing, its just semantics
what do you think?

suniti

[Sudarshang]

suniti[/quote]

You might want to try "jeeva-para ananyam" instead of "Aikyam"....through sharira-Atma Bhavam.
Jeevan=Shariram
Brahmam=Shariri
Shrutis will hold good that way also.

Add to it some Saguna Brahmam, create yourself a paint-book and color HIM as you please

Trust me it is easier than freeing yourself of all conditionings which itself could take lifetimes ...instead get conditioned to Love HIM unconditionally - simply because HE is the big-boss![/quote]

thanks
but
maybe you should try though for a minute to look at the idea of oneness
oneness does not mean athiesm, it means one thing thats all
i'm not saying believe it
but just look at it, without judging, rejecting or condemning
and see what rises in the mind
i believe that everyone is saying the same thing, its just semantics
what do you think?

suniti[/quote]

Suniti_ji

I have looked at one-ness very impartially - because for more than 20 long years I was an advaitin. But something was missing all the time during that period. one-ness never really explained a lot of questions I had. I found the answers in Vishishtadwaita. Again, there are lot of vishishtadwaitins that dont understand Swami Ramanuja's siddhanta that well.

No, I do not believe that everyone is saying the same thing - it is a matter of Moksha v. rebirth - its worth a lot more than beating Bill Gates in wealth accumulation! Believing in everybody and trying to rationalize everybody's teachings is recipe for getting derailed. My recipe is follow one school and stick to it. Let others alone...

[suniti]

Suniti_ji

I have looked at one-ness very impartially - because for more than 20 long years I was an advaitin. But something was missing all the time during that period. one-ness never really explained a lot of questions I had. I found the answers in Vishishtadwaita. Again, there are lot of vishishtadwaitins that dont understand Swami Ramanuja's siddhanta that well.

No, I do not believe that everyone is saying the same thing - it is a matter of Moksha v. rebirth - its worth a lot more than beating Bill Gates in wealth accumulation! Believing in everybody and trying to rationalize everybody's teachings is recipe for getting derailed. My recipe is follow one school and stick to it. Let others alone...

dear Sudarshanji

i'm only saying to look at it once more
i'm not saying to believe it
what is the harm in looking once more?
i am not comparing anything to Bill Gates
but as i am listening as well as many others to your views i'm saying can you look
for a minute, although you may have already looked, once more to this idea of one ness.


i don't see anything as getting "derailed" in spirituality, i think in sattvik way if we look, there is no fear of any other teaching
and no idea of one way for all.

thanks
suniti

[Sudarshang]

i'm only saying to look at it once more
i'm not saying to believe it
what is the harm in looking once more?
i am not comparing anything to Bill Gates
but as i am listening as well as many others to your views i'm saying can you look
for a minute, although you may have already looked, once more to this idea of one ness.

thanks
suniti

Suniti-ji

There are three types of shruti vakyas - Abheda, Bedha, and Gataka. Vedas cannot be wrong. Advaita was born from the perspective of holding Abedha shrutis are predominant, and rejecting the Bedha and Gataka as caused by Maya. Swami Ramanuja written an entire grantham pointing out the faultlines not only in Shankara's advaita, but also, Bhaskara, Yadavaprakasa, and Bhaatta schools of advaita. Swami Ramanuja's premise is based on making all three types of shruti vakyas make sense collectively. Not only has he been successful at that, but has gone beyond siddhanta to establish a practical side to it culminating in an authoritative acknowledgement from Sriman Narayana. Who showed him the way? Saakshaat Devaperumal of Kanchipuram through the six phrases He gave to Ramanuja's acharya - Thirukkacchi Nambi. The practical side of it is acknowledged by none other than Srirangam Namperumal in Saranagathi-gadyam. Swami Ramanuja even jokingly asks the Lord in that Gadyam - they say as Sri Krishna you used to tell lies - how am I to beleive you? The Lord says in response, "there is no second word to what I say". In Sri Vaikuntha Gadyam he gives a graphic description of the abode of Moksha - Sri Vaikuntha, and What happens to the mukta Aatma there. When such clear graphic (non-mayic) evidence is available, and when I have read all this, and know not only the faultlines in Shankara's theory of Jeeva-Brahma aikyam, but also what caused it, "looking back at one-ness again"?....

The Mukta-Atma in SriVaikuntha attains "Samyapatti" with the Lord in certain aspects - but does not Merge with him. Even even He and His Consorts are different, the Nityasooris including Adisesha, Garuda, Vishvaksena, etc are different, one-ness? Also, the theory of "Aikyam" cannot co-exist and mean the same thing as the theory of "Chetana-achetana visishta Brahmam"

[Sudarshang]

Hello Kasgan,

You mentioned that when a soul leaves the body it goes to another body with all its Karma. Is this preselected? Which body to choose?

Yes I think that in whose body a soul will enter is predestined by God. It depends on his karma. If he has strong karmic connections with her near and dear ones, then obviously, one will be reborn again in this family again. In earlier pages, I have given an example of how a daughter was again re born in the same family that we know very well.

Kaushik and Aseem

This is not pre-destined or pre-selected. Karma is only responsible for "prakirti Sambandam" - of the soul coming in contact with prakirti (nature). In nature there is lot of uncertainty. I recommnd reading the story of Jada Bharata in Srimad Bhagavatam for some insights.