Spirituality, Astrology, Destiny, B. Geeta, Celibacy

[Basab]

Aseem,

Don't get into petty arguments, which will lead to nothing but wate of energy and waste of a few pages on this thread. It hurts the ego of many to accept this that they don't have any free will. Let them believe what they want to believe, and let us believe what we want to believe. You are right, destiny indeed is predestined. Here's quoting a few verses from the Gita to prove it is all predestined:

"The Blessed Lord said: Time I am, destroyer of the worlds, and I have come to engage all people. With the exception of you [the Pandavas], all the soldiers here on both sides will be slain.

"Therefore get up and prepare to fight. After conquering your enemies you will enjoy a flourishing kingdom. They are already put to death by My arrangement, and you, O Savyasaci, can be but an instrument in the fight.

"The Blessed Lord said: All the great warriors--Drona, Bhisma, Jayadratha, Karna--are already destroyed. Simply fight, and you will vanquish your enemies" -- [Chapter 11, Verses 32-34]

[Talib]

why are you talking to me???? I think we are not friends anymore. Stop being zealous!!!

He is tyring to be diplomatic as always.

Anyways, Aseem, in my last post i didnt say destiny is not predestined. i too Believe it is, coz i am one of those spot boy's who only talk abt surrender. but my whole point is, we can not deny existence of free will as well. life is not same for everyone, some lives a predestined life and some gets grace of using there free will.

when sri krishna said "live , beleiving that everything is predestined" , the only meaning i can understand from this verse is that he wants us to destroy our "ego" and feeling of "a doer".


Love

[Basab]

why are you talking to me???? I think we are not friends anymore.

[Basab]

He is tyring to be diplomatic as always.

I am not diplomatic, but romantic.

[Narayan]

Talibji:

"I think Sri geetha is a demo version of every sadhak's life story. we start wd lots of confusions and depression, then we get some "one" to answer our questions, then all those logical discussion understanding of different "yogas", chetna, three guna's, right and wrong. after all this when our logical power reaches its limitation we see a "virat roopa" which makes us understand who is "the big boss" and then all logics and questioning get failed. then we start working as per his orders, we just start to flow, become an instrument. no complaints any more. In the end, comes the mantra, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja ................"

No words, simply superb, I simply bow down to you master. Talibji, You have revealed all the secrets out here.

Pranams Om

Narayanan

[Basab]

By I mean, .

basab ji,

wht do you mean by this ?

[Basab]

Do what you want to, I don't care. I am in a romantic mood now, and I am loving it. Forget spirituality and listen to this romantic song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2h_ZIpeFpw I heard it 20 times since last night. Where is my dream girl?

I have started going to gym man..You should be better be scared, man, for I am gonna reduce to a pulp!!!

[Basab]

Say what you want to, you can't provoke me to a fight now. I am in a romantic mood. I am hearing the lovely song that I have posted in the previous page. It feels like I am singing the song and strumming the guitar, thinking about my dream girl. It feels like heaven. I am in love with 'love'. No wonder: Venus is in the 5th house from my lagna in transit now.

[Basab]

Aseem,

Yes, it was you who gave me the link of the song yesterday night, and I am really thankful to you for that. This is one of the best romantic songs I have ever heard, and it fits me so well. I am always so much looking for my dream girl. It's like the song has been made just for me. I love it so much. I can't stop myself from hearing it again and again.

Yeah, we have a similar nature because we both have Venus in own signs. No one can understand what 'love' means unless he has Venus in own sign. I missed your company too, glad we are friends again. Destiny didn't like the clash, so it made us patch up again.

Wasn't this one that I recommended to you some time back?

Hey man, you really like me. I really missed your company man.

[Basab]

Well, man, I was hearing the song now, so couldn't get back to replying to your post. Yeah, we have patched up, and it will go down in history as an amazing friendship of lifetimes, with this song from the movie 'Sholey': Yeh dosti, hum nehi todege, todege, dam magar, tera saath na chodege.

you are thinking too much over what to write. If we are cool, then it will be a historic patch up!!!

[Basab]

Hehehehehe!

[Basab]

You will never see this side in me because this side is not there in me.

Basab is a diplomatic??? I am yet to see this side of his diplomatic ways!!!

[Talib]

Talibji:

"I think Sri geetha is a demo version of every sadhak's life story. we start wd lots of confusions and depression, then we get some "one" to answer our questions, then all those logical discussion understanding of different "yogas", chetna, three guna's, right and wrong. after all this when our logical power reaches its limitation we see a "virat roopa" which makes us understand who is "the big boss" and then all logics and questioning get failed. then we start working as per his orders, we just start to flow, become an instrument. no complaints any more. In the end, comes the mantra, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja ................"

No words, simply superb, I simply bow down to you master. Talibji, You have revealed all the secrets out here.

Pranams Om

Narayanan

Narayan Ji,

Please dont do this bow down and master thing, appreciate and encourage me as ur younger and that is enough for me.

I am a simple man who always ask god to show me the right direction and take me under his control. He is giving me good thoughts, postive attitude, company of nice and blessed souls, protection. All my gratitude to him.

I am happy that you and aseem liked wt i wrote. It is my life as well.

Love

[Talib]

I blasted the concept of free will after experimenting on myself and stories of a guard on his life and why he believes that only God is the doer.

Aseem,

Wt wld u say for thiss man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ZuKF3d ... re=related

Love

[Sudarshang]

There is free will, Destiny can change as per God's Grace. God is the director cum producer but he gives rewards for extraordinary acting, he gives "ok" for a scene if u make him happy with ur performence or he will ask u to go on repeating unless u make him happy.just like a director he doesnt ask you to act according to him,neither he interferes in your acting. he gives you a scene and ask you to perform at your level best, that performence is free will. the best u perform sooner u will get ok from scene, poor u perform results in more "takes". No director likes more takes

True, surrender to god is your choice(free will). if it is a choice how it cld be predecided

who is the director cum producer of that drama?

True, everyword which has a meaning which can be written in alphabets or in language, gives suffecient proof of its existence since the begining of life or even before it. "free will" has a meaning, evil, god, demons, destiny, positive, negative. they all coexist, we can not accepts ones existence and denies others . but yes, we can "choose" to concentrate more on one

Love

Perfect Answer!

[Sudarshang]

That's a secret ....

Sudarshang Ji,


This is the whole summary of Sri Geeta according to me. all verses of Geeta got merge in to it, and the best part is no one can misinterpret it. .

Its not a secert sir, its been revealed more than 5000 years ago Problem is, we try to understand Sri Geeta like a hollywood action thriller, our senses gets feed when it see arjuna in vishad yoga, when sri krishna teach him, when arjuna fight like a super hero, logical and intellectual discussions. Anyways nector always come at the the end of churning process.

I think Sri geetha is a demo version of every sadhak's life story. we start wd lots of confusions and depression, then we get some "one" to answer our questions, then all those logical discussion understanding of different "yogas", chetna, three guna's, right and wrong. after all this when our logical power reaches its limitation we see a "virat roopa" which makes us understand who is "the big boss" and then all logics and questioning get failed. then we start working as per his orders, we just start to flow, become an instrument. no complaints any more. In the end, comes the mantra, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja ................


Love

Agreed, the reason I stated that as a secret is because - there is more to this shloka than meets the eye. Swami Ramanuja walked 18 times from Srirangam near Trichy to Thikottiyur near Tiruppattur/Karaikkudi - to get the inner meaning of this shloka and then imparted that against his guru's wishes, to those that were interested, on top of the Thirukkottiyur temple. The same Shloka was repeated by the Lord again, this time not to Arjuna but Sri Mahalakshmi as part of the tradition that is still being followed. Therefore it has more to it that meets the eye....

[onlyhope]

Aseem,

A normal healthy person (even if old), terminates his life, and his organs are transplanted to someone very ill, someone who may not live otherwise. What about the negative karma transfer? Its akin to suicide isn't it, even though his organs will be used positively?

One man's life is taken before time, and the others' is prolonged beyond his time. Your thoughts?

-Hope.

[onlyhope]

I don't know if it actually happens, its a hypothesis/question.

Imagine person 1 is very old, wants to end his life, but has a working heart which he wishes to donate to person 2, who will die otherwise, without a donor heart.

Ending ones life just like that, before one's time - is probably associated with bad karma, as only God can take a life. Its akin to glorified suicide with ulterior motives, in the guise of helping someone else. (Withdrawing artificial support from a terminally ill patient is a different issue.)

That person 2's life is also in God's hands.

But the heart he is receiving is a PART of person 1 who has technically committed suicide.

So is there a karma transfer? Body parts can be divided etc, but can souls?

Hypothetically speaking - if one is in need of a donor heart - if its anonymous, he may see it as a gift from God, a miracle. What if some mass murderer, rapist, child molester, etc etc, is shot dead in an encounter and his heart is offered to that same person knowingly? I guess that person MIGHT refuse on spiritual grounds.

Its a tricky issue, i'm not sure myself.

[onlyhope]

Aseem,

I would also like to believe that our karmic patterns are imprinted in every cell of our body - thats why our health issues can reflect in our kundali. Its not the soul that has health issues, its the body.

That was my doubt, that can such issues also be transferred? Even a regular healthy heart may have a certain lifespan - if that is transplanted when its healthy - maybe the recipient will reject it later or the heart itself will develop problems. Sounds confusing, but just my thoughts.

[Sudarshang]

Hope ji

I think after a body dies, the soul leaves with all karmas attached to it and there is no karmic imprint left in the human body. This soul with karmas enters the womb of an expecting mother.

I will find out more about it later on.

Aseem, you are right. Karma is as timeless as the Atma itself. It is a baggage the Atma carries with it from body to body. it carries it even at the time of Pralaya when the whole entire creation is wiped out and then recreated by the Lord. When recreation starts Atmas start manifesting in that creation with the Karma baggage, and start accumulating/spending that karma in that life ...an so on.

[Sudarshang]

Aseem,

I would also like to believe that our karmic patterns are imprinted in every cell of our body - thats why our health issues can reflect in our kundali. Its not the soul that has health issues, its the body.

That was my doubt, that can such issues also be transferred? Even a regular healthy heart may have a certain lifespan - if that is transplanted when its healthy - maybe the recipient will reject it later or the heart itself will develop problems. Sounds confusing, but just my thoughts.

Onlyhope,

you are right, it is the body that has health issues - not the Atma. There is no kundali for the Atma - only for the body. No karma can be transfered from one Atma to another - every Atma has to experience happiness/suffering in order to spend the positive and negative karmas it has acquired. One Atma cannot experience for another's Atma's karma - impossible - that that atma - that that karma only!

[Sudarshang]

Sudarshang ji,

Pardon me about my lack of knowledge on shastras but i have a very keen interest in astronomy and the mysteries of the universe.

What you just wrote makes me think that there is life elsewhere in the Universe and the life itself on the earth came from the other earth which was destroyed in Pralaya. Do you believe in this theory of mine?

There is life on other planets. Shastras say that in each andam there are 14 lokas - 7 upper and 7 lower - Bhoo (Earth), Bhuva:, Suva: (Swarga), Maha: Jana:, Tapa:, and Satya are the 7 upper lokas. Satyaloka is the planet of Brahma. Suva: is the Swarga loka is the paradise that people visit to enjoy the good deeds they have committed. Even there, as the Atma experiences happiness it spends its positive karma. The 7 talas inlcuding the Patala are the lower 7 lokas. There are interim pralayas during which time Bhoo, Bhuva, and Swarga are only destroyed and recreated. MahaPrayala happens when Brahma completes 100 years - that time all 14 lokas i.e basically this whole andam is destroyed and recreated.
Present Brahma is 51 years old...

Despite all this destruction and recreation, .... Atma is eternal - never created, nor destroyed!

[kasgan]

Hi Aseem,

I have one question.

You mentioned that when a soul leaves the body it goes to another body with all its Karma. Is this preselected? Which body to choose?

Since from horoscope of father we get information about child and vice versa, does this mean the karma of father and child is predestined? Does the Karma of parents have a role to play in the selection of karma of the child and hence a particular soul? Is it inter related or entwined?

Hope I made sense.

Look forward to your thoughts.

Many thanks

Kaushik

[Talib]

Aseem,

In my opinion a soul has a discretion to choose his parents and relations according to karmic pattren. a soul can can see and calculate how much did it rise and wt was its growth and what more it has to learn and then accordingly it choose the womb. a soul can see different dimension just like astral body.the more it grew,the more powerful it is. more discretion it has to choose the womb and circumstances, relations which will lead towards god. the less it grew, its discretion is to choose a womb and circumstances which make it learn more. in my opinion it can never be straight it is always a mixture "a mystery". I have no authority on wt i have written, its just my thoughts i get during meditation.

Love

[kasgan]

Hi Aseem

Twins are normally very close to each other and have connection. Does this imply that twins have strong karmic connection? I have another question.

Destiny, is it only for a life time? Or is it for all the life times of a Soul? If its the second case then destiny makes a soul choose its next incarnation.

What is your take on this?

Kaushik