aseem82 wrote:e. This Mudra is one of the most refined ways of greeting, as it acknowledges the light in the other and reminds us of our own.
i think if theres "no mine" it takes this understanding to a new level.
where then would be my light and anothers light?
i think theres a degree of unity here if we go by the etymology as i think these things go beyond the 3 bodies we know.
Aseem , Maximum positive aura we get under Banyan tree and Peepal tree. regards
A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
Thanks Aseem for the reply,Shree Yantras are also used for increasing the aura. regards
A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
suniti wrote:
very well said
i just want to add (in all my nerdiness) about the etymology though you have covered it already
that namah is "na mama iti namah" like you said nothing is mine, or there is no me/mine.
A salutation is that where there is no "me'
that i think is true humility.
i really love these etymologies
if anyone is interested here is an awesome website about the declension of pop words it is on the word for "you" so it shows "te" as in namaste. http://samskrutam.com/samskrit/studies/ ... rm_yuShmad
i find the etymology of our words has a lot of bearing on the philosophy that springs from it...
sorry for interrupting
but i got a bit excited about namaste
suniti
suniti
Interesting link there Suniti-ji
Since you love etymology, and we are discussing mudras, I thought the audience would benefit from the etymology of "anjali" - the mudra we perform in front of the Lord - "Am Jalayati iti Anjali" - that which melts the Lord like water is Anjali.
The Lord is represented by the akshar "A". Now, "A" is practically the first letter in any world alphabet - including western ones. No alphabet or langauge can exist without the sound of "A". In the Gita also the Lord says Akhsaraanam Akaarosmi, Shastras say Akaarartho Vishnu: etc. The "A" in AUM represents Him as well!
On the critical side though, where you say, A salutation is that where there is no "me' that i think is true humility", true, but then when did Jeevatma's ever own anything? Hasn't He been the true owner of everything that exists?
Sudarshang wrote: A salutation is that where there is no "me' that i think is true humility", true, but then when did Jeevatma's ever own anything? Hasn't He been the true owner of everything that exists?
Dear Sudarshanji'
i was going exactly by the sankrit etymology, it is not my idea that namah means that where there is no my/me
i dont know what jeevatma owns or doesnt own, i was giving an opinion on humilty and saying namaste
until i get rid of my own "i" i cannot say as i dont know anything except this prapancha.
im thinking a lot about this word "anjali" i found its derivation but im trying to think where it appears in ancient works
i know it must be there but i cannot think as to where
in Bhagavad Gita its definately not there and im unable to think of any stotras also
do you have any suggestions on where i may look for this word?
According to Apte it comes in Chanakya Shatakam but i dont have a copy of that
and also some amarushataka that i never studied
i would appreciate anything you have here as to where i can find this word in the older literature (or of anyone else has any ideas please
let me know)
Milred
The all time Greatest thread of LOVA cant be allowed to end ! It has to keep going at ANY COST ! So what if we talk to ourselves ?
If we dont get subjects for research we need to create our own.
Regards,
Just going by the number of pages, reaching 100 is not of any importance at all if the contents are not useful. They are good only if it has all discussions intellectual and not one liners in between. It is like in the school, some history teachers used to weigh the papers and grade the students, some students even used to write movie stories, the teacher would never read, weigh and give them maximum marks. But this forum is read by not one but by all. So may be even the smallest thread may be the best if it has more intellectual information .
If we just fill in with what did u have for breakfast, where and when did u graduate, all these may fill the space no doubt but have no way of improving the intellect of the individual. There are very few threads which are totally serious. Of course, once in a while we may thank and joke and so on, but they should not exceed or disturb the free flow of the main content.
May be everyone should start new threads during Abhijit Muhurtha
Dev wrote:Just going by the number of pages, reaching 100 is not of any importance at all if the contents are not useful. They are good only if it has all discussions intellectual and not one liners in between. It is like in the school, some history teachers used to weigh the papers and grade the students, some students even used to write movie stories, the teacher would never read, weigh and give them maximum marks. But this forum is read by not one but by all. So may be even the smallest thread may be the best if it has more intellectual information .
If we just fill in with what did u have for breakfast, where and when did u graduate, all these may fill the space no doubt but have no way of improving the intellect of the individual. There are very few threads which are totally serious. Of course, once in a while we may thank and joke and so on, but they should not exceed or disturb the free flow of the main content.
Dev........you are 100 % right ! i fully agree with you !
Every individual should probably look back at all his threads, read them and see how much of it has been his own contribution to astrology, spirituality, yogas and so on, how much are his questions and doubts raised and how much of it is rubbish with absolutely no content(of course thanks, sorry etc excluded) whatsoever, which is either lacking in content or which is involved in teasing serious threads or finding fault with others without any reasoning.
Hope every individual calculates these and tries to minimize the last part of this thereby minimizing rubbish here. For eg. those chats between two people which is of no use to others should probably be avoided since this can be done in regular chats so that others dont waste time in reading all these.
Osho on U G Krishnamurti
Osho - Another man was alive in Sri Aurobindo's days, Ramana Maharshi. He had the experience. Very few people went to him, very few, but those who went were benefitted. But to see Ramana Maharshi needs a totally different kind of approach. He will not speak much; he will not try to convince you. He will be sitting there -- if you are available, he is available. And his ways will be very simple. Unless you have a heart to feel that vibe, you will miss him.
It is not always so. J. Krishnamurti is there. He talks; talks very intelligently. Remember, I will not say logically: talks very intelligently; goes into the analysis of any problem as deeply as is humanly possible. But he is not a philosopher either. All his talk is just like uprooting weeds from the garden. He destroys your problems through his analysis. He does not give you anything; he simply takes away all that you have been carrying in your mind. For a moment you are utterly lost -- and in that very moment you can see his reality. His experience starts flowing in you. People can miss him also.
People used to miss Sri Ramana because he was silent; he would not say much. Just the other day I mentioned U.G. Krishnamurti. When he saw Ramana Maharshi reading joke books nad looking at cartoons, he was very much frustrated. Not only that: a man asked a question about God and U.G. Krishnamurti was present there -- very seriously, bowing at his feet, a man asked about God. And what did Sri Ramana do? do you know? He gave him a joke book and said, "Read it!"
Naturally, U. G. Krishnamurti was very much offended. Is this a way? This seems to be disrespectful to the man who has asked such a serious question -- to give him a joke book. This is again a kick in the pants, in its own way. What he is saying is, "What nonsense are you talking about! God? It is not a thing to be talked about -- better read a joke book and have a good laugh. "If you can laugh, maybe you can know God -- not by what I will say. But if you can laugh a hearty laugh, a belly-laugh, in that moment thinking stops."
Now, he has given a great message without saying a single word. Have you not watched it? When you laugh you are off mind. For a moment you are no more in the mind. Laughter takes you somewhere else. Where does it take you? It takes you to the same place where meditation takes you. So if you see a very serious and sad man and he claims that he is meditating, know well that he is not meditating. Meditation is always dancing. It is never serious, sad -- it is sincere, of course, but never sad. It is joyous, it is gay.
You must have heard the old proverb: "Laugh and the whole world laughs with you; weep and you weep alone." They have changed this proverb a little bit in the modern times. Now they say: "Laugh and the whole world laughs with you; weep and you sleep alone." But it is the same. In the moment of laughter, suddenly you are one with the harmony of existence. Weep... you have fallen apart, you are no more part of it. In sadness, in seriousness, in despair, you are not in rhythm with existence. In laughing, in dancing, in singing, in loving, you are in rhythm with existence.
There is no evolution -- only rhythm or no rhythm. These are two states, and they are available right now. You can be in rhythm, you can be not in rhythm -- that is the freedom of man. Trees are continuously in rhythm, birds are continuously in rhythm. Man can choose. These are different manifestations. Because you can choose, you have chosen the wrong. And the wrong has an appeal -- because by choosing the wrong, you become important; by choosing the right, you disappear. And you have been taught from the very childhood to be important, to be the first in the world. You have been taught ambition, you have been poisoned to the very core. So always you want to be important.
Now, this U. G. Krishnamurti missed Sri Ramana -- and something great was happening. Almost like Buddha giving his flower to Mahakashyap, Sri Ramana giving a joke book to a man who is asking about God, or Ma Tzu giving a terrific kick in the pants. U. G. Krishnamurti missed Ramana. Then he missed J. Krishnamurti too. He lived for years with J. Krishnamurti.
Now, J. Krishnamurti is totally different in his expression, very logical, very rational. The beginning of his work is always with the mind; then slowly slowly he leads you beyond the mind, But there U. G. Krishnamurti thought it was all abstraction, philosophy. He stopped going there because "It is all abstraction." He left Sri Ramana because there was no philosophy. He left Krishnamurti because there was too much philosophy. In both the cases he missed.
And he lived with Sri Sivananda of Rishikesh for seven years doing yoga postures. There for seven years he thought, "Something is here." And there was nothing! Sivananda is a very ordinary teacher. You can find dozens of them all around this country teaching people how to stand on their heads, teaching people stupid things. There he remained for seven years, became a disciple.
Now, he missed two pinnacles... and this is what goes on happening. You have a mind, a certain mind. When you go to a master, you look from your mind. If it fits, you are happy; you start clinging. But that is not going to help -- because it fits, it will strengthen the same mind that you had brought with you. If by chance you come across a real master, nothing is going to fit. He is going to disrupt all your ideas about how a master should be; he is going to sabotage you. He is going to take all expectations. He is to frustrate you, he is to disappoint you in every possible way -- because that is the only way real work can start. And if you still can be with him, then... then you are going to be awakened.
If you can not ignore an insult laugh at it, if you can not laugh at it you probably deserved it.
Dear Sanjay
If i mention what UG spoke about Osho then there is a good chance i would be barred from this forum like confused_rocky.
Nevertheless for a few laughs you may find the video in Youtube. Search for "UG on Osho" !
Regards,
DearAstrosonu,
If I was not mad (Pagal) I have not entered here and I am happy to know you are also pagal .At least you spoken truth.
Dear Abhijit ,
I can not open you tube in China.It is ban here.We in india got freedom of expression at very cheap rate.
If you can not ignore an insult laugh at it, if you can not laugh at it you probably deserved it.
sanjayk1265 wrote:DearAstrosonu,
If I was not mad (Pagal) I have not entered here and I am happy to know you are also pagal .At least you spoken truth.
Sanjaybhai sorry if that offended. That was never the case for you. I like your writings here, mostly because they bring an element of humour. Actually, I am bad at reading long posts on spirituality hence the writeup. BTW that is a song from the movie called "Sir" ..I just added some spice Chill. Have a good time.
I am not offended at all & I dont take my life too seriously, generaly i dont write ,this i saw on internate i liked so i thought others also will like. ofcourse you have full privilage to dislike.
If you can not ignore an insult laugh at it, if you can not laugh at it you probably deserved it.
One curiosity ,If you or anybody please answer me.In china 1.4 billion population don’t believe in god , spirituality or karma theory but still they are miles ahead from us in every aspect of life & of course they given us bloody nose also in 1962 today also India is so scared of China.In India corruption, crime is directly proportional to spirituality.In India people are hiding their notorious character in the veil of spirituality. And something bad happens to them then their real character comes out.All astrologers have India’s horoscope when the corruption will end astrologically.
I am learning political system of china may be one day I will try to implement in India.Watch out my fellow Indians.
If you can not ignore an insult laugh at it, if you can not laugh at it you probably deserved it.
Do you mean to say In China there is not evil ? And is prevelant only in India ?
No Sir. You will have to do deeper research. In Kalki Puran China is the power that will be destroyed in the end. So, it has to grow as per Hari Sankalpa.
Japan was growing furiously as well. 3 months back, Anybody would have said, it is very strong blah blah... Japanese currency is far stronger. The Industrialization is huge and technology is rampant. Where has it gone all of a sudden ? So, one must not judge growth based on ONLY material parameters. All natural disasters are displeasure of the Lord. UK is receding in economy inspite of 40% of taxes. America is still trying to find base. Hurrican katrina !! Is any country escaping from the punishment ? It is kaliyuga, everyone has to bear the brunt. Especially the countries involved in Gowbrahamanadwesha.
In India, we had earthquake long back in Gujrat. Everyone knows what was happening before few years. Result. Displeasure of Bhoodevi. All evil actions result in such calamities. Now what is the status ? The most prosperous state of India. Least corruption as compared to other states and a long lasting Chief minister who is disciplined to the core. It is the King's action that decide the future of the land.
One must not jump to conclusions based on growth of few years. Countries are not prone to Vimshottari dasha like ours of 120 years. Effects are long lasting. The actions of the Kings(President/PM) etc decide the result.
sanjayk1265 wrote:In India corruption, crime is directly proportional to spirituality.In India people are hiding their notorious character in the veil of spirituality. And something bad happens to them then their real character comes out.All astrologers have India’s horoscope when the corruption will end astrologically.
These are blanket statements. They do not prove anything about TRUE spirituality. it is basically a one sided gesture of infactuation towards foreign lands. As people say, grass on the other side is always green.
I am learning political system of china may be one day I will try to implement in India.Watch out my fellow Indians.
Few visits to China and you judged it better than the native country where you stayed for so many years. ???
Dear Astrosonu,
Chief minister of Gujrat praised China for its infrastructure & that is true you can see small cities those are better than our metros.people respect law ,no crime.I am staying here since 4 years not a single policeman in the city asked me my passport.In india on the airport itself immigration & police will see to indians like aliens.I have visited approximately 1/4 th of china.
All people are helpful.In india in delhi a person who is indian but from other state will be robbed if girl may be raped.See on the roads in cities in india spiritual indians how nice comments passing on girls.Delhi became capital of rape.I have never heared in china rape ,robbery & murder.At least 50 villages i visited in china all peacful.Dear Friends open the eyes. Duvidha mein dou gaye maya mili na Ram.Means in dilemma material & god both gone
If you can not ignore an insult laugh at it, if you can not laugh at it you probably deserved it.
I can produce a lot, but the problem is when people are used to chinese urvashis and rambhas, they close their eyes to thier faults. Somras takes over. Animal meat etc.. ... Come out of illusion dear. Go earn and come back to your native. I have been to US and UK as well, I know what all happens there.. No point in detailing on spirituality forum.
Since you dont take personally, i would like to mention what is written in our shastras. You become what you eat .... And think like that too..
Ghar aja Pardesi... Aisa naa ho ke fir baad mein.. ab pachhtaye kya howat jab chidiya chug gayi khet Ram ko jap Maya ko Chhod..
suniti wrote:
i would appreciate anything you have here as to where i can find this word in the older literature (or of anyone else has any ideas please
let me know)
suniti
I dont know either, i only heard from a swamiji's lecture that I listen to.
Dear Astrosonu,
I dont want to prove by datas ,what i have seen that matters me .If i want to give datas it may be thousands of pages.Rape ,dowery,murder,robbery ,corruption,female embrio killing,hunger,beggers list is endless ,not today may be tomorrow we have to wake up.If you preach spirituality to a hungary person i dont think he will listen you.So what is the first it is material (Bhukhe bhajan na hoi gopala).Can spirituality give food to a hungary person.our stomachs are full so we can talk about spirituality. And my friend i am overseas but i am fulfilling my resposibilities for my country.
Today on the affairs of my country I remember one sher of Faiz :
"Shayad koi unme se kafan farh ke nikle,
Ab jake shahidon ki mazaron pe azan dein."
Means now I am going to call on the graveyard of martyres,may be some one will tear coffin & come out.
Our judiciary Baqaul qatil:
"Adal ki tum na hamein aas dilao ke yahan,
Qatla ho jate hain zanjeer hilane wale."
Means don’t give me hope of justice,if the shackles will shake they will hang me.
Our people Baqaul Faraz:
"Aaj hum dar pe khainche gaye jin baton se,
Kal woh mumkin hai jamane ko nisabon mein milein"
Today you can hang me due to my words,but tomorrow these words will be in syllabus in schools.
Please try to read Ram Charit Manas Uttar Kand From Doha No.97 To 103.You will know about saints of kaliyug & spirituality a lot.Still I have hope for my country.
No dear I am not only earning here I am learning a lot about chinese system.By the way i am working in japanese oil company.And only Japanese can get up after this much high intensity disaster.
In the film "Chakra" there is a dialogue that Man is living in this world for stomach & below stomach.Of course you will never agree but that is truth.
And I rest my case.No more arguments from my side.You or anybody can critisize me i dont mind ,my skin is thicker than rhino.
Best Regards
Sanjay
If you can not ignore an insult laugh at it, if you can not laugh at it you probably deserved it.
that i never studied
Actually, I am bad at reading long posts on spirituality hence the writeup. BTW that is a song from the movie called "Sir" 
