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Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Abhijit Muhurtha , Stri stri Ravi Shankar was here . What a bunch of nonsense . He asked us all to hand over our problems to him and promised us that we will be in peace . I want to give him my Psoriasis , my pain in the knees and my Liver to him . But I could not figure out how to , and he did not give us the account number to make the deposit . What a waste of time .
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
P.Mahesh ji , I dont know how well that Raja yoga works . I know Sachin Tendulkar has that combination , But I dont know if that yoga is the one driving him , or the exalted 3rd lord . I do not know where they came up with that Raja yoga . "The combination states that if a debilitated planet falls in another debilitated planets house , and if they get a N.B.R.Y. , then a seperate Raja Yoga is given rise to"
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
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Basab
Deepakji,
Astrology has made a joke of itself by giving me a strong 3rd house. My 3rd lord is vargattoma, aspects it's own house and is in the 11th house from the lagna without any affliction, but it has made me the laziest person in the world--so lazy that I feel having 3 meals everyday is work, watching TV is work, chatting with friends on the net is work, reading story books is work, brushing my teeth is work and taking a bath is work, and I should be paid a handsome salary for all that--for taking care of my body, for feeding myself, for entertaining myself. That is laziness--not what you are calling laziness. So astrology has made a joke of itself by giving me a strong 3rd lord. Neither do I do any work, nor do I do any excercise--I am the king of laziness! 4 planets aspect my 3rd house, and for what? To make me lazy like this? It is a joke! A big joke, these theories of 3rd house giving strength and making one work hard.
Astrology has made a joke of itself by giving me a strong 3rd house. My 3rd lord is vargattoma, aspects it's own house and is in the 11th house from the lagna without any affliction, but it has made me the laziest person in the world--so lazy that I feel having 3 meals everyday is work, watching TV is work, chatting with friends on the net is work, reading story books is work, brushing my teeth is work and taking a bath is work, and I should be paid a handsome salary for all that--for taking care of my body, for feeding myself, for entertaining myself. That is laziness--not what you are calling laziness. So astrology has made a joke of itself by giving me a strong 3rd lord. Neither do I do any work, nor do I do any excercise--I am the king of laziness! 4 planets aspect my 3rd house, and for what? To make me lazy like this? It is a joke! A big joke, these theories of 3rd house giving strength and making one work hard.
astroboy wrote:Swamy cool ji , Or a debilitated 3rd lord , with a debilitated planet in the 3rd . I am the laziest man on earth ..
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milredr
Basab, couldn't agree with u more....I have an exalted 3rd lord too and I am extremely lazy.........ofcourse not to the extent u have mentioned 
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Basab
Milredr,
You have an exalted 3rd lord and an exalted Mars, which is the significator of the 3rd house, so you had to do better than me. But I am happy that I came first in something at last, even if it is laziness.
You have an exalted 3rd lord and an exalted Mars, which is the significator of the 3rd house, so you had to do better than me. But I am happy that I came first in something at last, even if it is laziness.
milredr wrote:Basab, couldn't agree with u more....I have an exalted 3rd lord too and I am extremely lazy.........ofcourse not to the extent u have mentioned
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manisha012
So then why am I lazy
. This is the only part in my horoscope which does not correlate to my life 
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Basab
Manisha,
Thank God that only one part of your horoscope doesn't correlate with your life. None of the parts of my horoscope--except of course the negative parts--correlate with my life. The negatives come true and the positives don't ever. I will tell you a recent one. You will laugh. In July 2008 I started the period of Pisces in chara dasha and DK Mars is in the 7th house from Pisces. That is a sure-shot formula for predicting marriage/falling in love. I thought if not marriage, I will fall in love. Guess what? I did fall in love. Astrology had to prove correct but mock me instead. I started the period in July 2008, and in September 2008, I became a fan of an actress--I love her so much! I was amazed how much 'correctly' astrology worked.
Thank God that only one part of your horoscope doesn't correlate with your life. None of the parts of my horoscope--except of course the negative parts--correlate with my life. The negatives come true and the positives don't ever. I will tell you a recent one. You will laugh. In July 2008 I started the period of Pisces in chara dasha and DK Mars is in the 7th house from Pisces. That is a sure-shot formula for predicting marriage/falling in love. I thought if not marriage, I will fall in love. Guess what? I did fall in love. Astrology had to prove correct but mock me instead. I started the period in July 2008, and in September 2008, I became a fan of an actress--I love her so much! I was amazed how much 'correctly' astrology worked.
manisha012 wrote:So then why am I lazy. This is the only part in my horoscope which does not correlate to my life
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manisha012
Sorry to hear about that Basab Sir. But Sir we cannot live in a world of dreams. We have to get real someday or the other.
Basab Ji , you must remember who is with the 3rd lord , and in which nakshatra the 3rd lord is in . Guru is in his Natural enemies Nakshatra , the 8th lord Shukra . So that is a dent . But let me tell you what the reaLproblem is . Shani and Guru together is a bad combination to have . Another bad combination is Chandra being with Rahu . But let aside all this . Think about this carefully for a while . I do not mean to spite or ridicule you in any way . Why should you do anything when you get every thing on a platter ?? Dont you use initiative to get what you want , when you want something ??? . What would have happened if you had to cook to feed your self ?? would you not be forced to do it ?? You choose to sit and do nothing because you get everything at your feet .by Basab » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:59 am
Deepakji,
Astrology has made a joke of itself by giving me a strong 3rd house. My 3rd lord is vargattoma, aspects it's own house and is in the 11th house from the lagna without any affliction, but it has made me the laziest person in the world--so lazy that I feel having 3 meals everyday is work, watching TV is work, chatting with friends on the net is work, reading story books is work, brushing my teeth is work and taking a bath is work, and I should be paid a handsome salary for all that--for taking care of my body, for feeding myself, for entertaining myself. That is laziness--not what you are calling laziness. So astrology has made a joke of itself by giving me a strong 3rd lord. Neither do I do any work, nor do I do any excercise--I am the king of laziness! 4 planets aspect my 3rd house, and for what? To make me lazy like this? It is a joke! A big joke, these theories of 3rd house giving strength and making one work hard.
And as far as getting paid a handsomesalary for doing your own work ......... Blame it on Rahu and Moon combo . You are a lucky man Basab ji , your 9th lord is strong , and so is your 5th . The 5th lord in the 11th aspecting the 5th is a Class 1 raja yoga . Have no doubt about it .
Best regard's
deepak .
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
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Basab
Manisha,
That is what I am saying. We need to get real someday! The question I ask myself is, when will I wake up!When will I get out of my dream world! When will I see life through a colourless glass, which will show me the colour of things as they are, and not through a tinted glass, which makes me see everything of that colour! That is the question I ask myself! That is the question I ask destiny! That is the question I ask God! I will be 31 in a few months, and I am still not out of my teens yet, mentally! Destiny, and it's wicked plans! Grow up, I tell myself! Maybe in some other life, tells destiny!! Anyway, everything happens as per destiny's will! Let me see my rosy dreams through my tinted glasses, till destiny knocks me of my comforts and dreams to the reality of the world. As there is a saying: 'everyone learns to walk, some early, some late.' For me, it will be pretty late, I guess!
That is what I am saying. We need to get real someday! The question I ask myself is, when will I wake up!When will I get out of my dream world! When will I see life through a colourless glass, which will show me the colour of things as they are, and not through a tinted glass, which makes me see everything of that colour! That is the question I ask myself! That is the question I ask destiny! That is the question I ask God! I will be 31 in a few months, and I am still not out of my teens yet, mentally! Destiny, and it's wicked plans! Grow up, I tell myself! Maybe in some other life, tells destiny!! Anyway, everything happens as per destiny's will! Let me see my rosy dreams through my tinted glasses, till destiny knocks me of my comforts and dreams to the reality of the world. As there is a saying: 'everyone learns to walk, some early, some late.' For me, it will be pretty late, I guess!
manisha012 wrote:Sorry to hear about that Basab Sir. But Sir we cannot live in a world of dreams. We have to get real someday or the other.
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Basab
Deepakji,
Yes, my 3rd lord is in the nakshatra of Venus, the 8th lord, my Saturn is with Jupiter, and I have Rahu-Moon, but that makes me so lazy! If I show you charts with more severe afflictions to the 3rd house than in my case but those people not that lazy like me! But let's leave aside astrology--these days I feel lazy to discuss charts. It's too much work for the brain--that's why I have given it up! I have taken to spirituality instead because it talks about leaving everything--leaving all work too!! Good for me, anything that defends my laziness!
Now, coming to the matter of why should I do anything when I get everything in a platter? I have an elder brother, Deepakji, and he is the most hard working person. Why does he work hard, when he will get everything that I get! Why does he need to work hard! He doesn't need to, isn't it? He can sit back like me and enjoy the comforts of life. But he didn't choose that, and that is why he is happy, and I am not. He is working hard, and he is happy; and I am sitting back and relaxing, and I am unhappy.
Do I get everything, Deepakji! That is the biggest question. I may get comforts, I may get my material desires fulfilled, but what about my status in society! People mock me, they laugh at me for being what I am today, and you say I get everything, so I don't need to work!
You know what? I would have been a happier person if I had earned my own bread, and lived a life that would just make me afford just my neccesities because I would have been proud of myself then, could have stood with my head held high, unlike now. I am not materialistic anyway, and respect means more to me than comforts.
I am not lucky, Deepakji, I am the most unluckiest person in this whole world! I don't think there is anyone in this world, who will say that he is ready not to do anything because he is getting everything. It's because he is not getting everything! He is not getting the thing which is most important to him--respect from society, a position in society! He will be called a loser by society, mocked at by society and considered a non-entity--a no-one! and then, those comforts also will not be able to give any comfort to him.
Yes, my 3rd lord is in the nakshatra of Venus, the 8th lord, my Saturn is with Jupiter, and I have Rahu-Moon, but that makes me so lazy! If I show you charts with more severe afflictions to the 3rd house than in my case but those people not that lazy like me! But let's leave aside astrology--these days I feel lazy to discuss charts. It's too much work for the brain--that's why I have given it up! I have taken to spirituality instead because it talks about leaving everything--leaving all work too!! Good for me, anything that defends my laziness!
Now, coming to the matter of why should I do anything when I get everything in a platter? I have an elder brother, Deepakji, and he is the most hard working person. Why does he work hard, when he will get everything that I get! Why does he need to work hard! He doesn't need to, isn't it? He can sit back like me and enjoy the comforts of life. But he didn't choose that, and that is why he is happy, and I am not. He is working hard, and he is happy; and I am sitting back and relaxing, and I am unhappy.
Do I get everything, Deepakji! That is the biggest question. I may get comforts, I may get my material desires fulfilled, but what about my status in society! People mock me, they laugh at me for being what I am today, and you say I get everything, so I don't need to work!
You know what? I would have been a happier person if I had earned my own bread, and lived a life that would just make me afford just my neccesities because I would have been proud of myself then, could have stood with my head held high, unlike now. I am not materialistic anyway, and respect means more to me than comforts.
I am not lucky, Deepakji, I am the most unluckiest person in this whole world! I don't think there is anyone in this world, who will say that he is ready not to do anything because he is getting everything. It's because he is not getting everything! He is not getting the thing which is most important to him--respect from society, a position in society! He will be called a loser by society, mocked at by society and considered a non-entity--a no-one! and then, those comforts also will not be able to give any comfort to him.
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Basab ji ,
you wrote,
Basab ji , In the begining of this thread I made a statement which i enclose here ,
A person who does not lubricate the wheels of commerce is indeed considered a burden . look at the Honey Bee . Do you think that the other bees would spare a bee who does nothing and just lives in a hive sipping other bees necter ??? The other bees would have booted him out of the hive .
I hope you get the point .
Best regard's
deepak .
you wrote,
by Basab » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:31 pm
Do I get everything, Deepakji! That is the biggest question. I may get comforts, I may get my material desires fulfilled, but what about my status in society! People mock me, they laugh at me for being what I am today, and you say I get everything, so I don't need to work!
Basab ji , In the begining of this thread I made a statement which i enclose here ,
" by astroboy » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:50 am
Renunciation literally means , to reject, refuse, throw back, decline, turn down, and choose against a established form. This needs some explaination . Our society believes in A symbiotic relationship of sorts . We are what we are as a race today purely on the basis of a Civilized society . Societies focus is mainly on how "successful and powerful " a person can become amidst that society . Society measures the Sucess of a man on the basis of the "Luxuries " he can indulge in. We have created a material world , and a materialistic person is hailed as a success in our society . ( A Materialistic person is described as a person who is markedly more concerned with material things (such as money and possessions) rather than spiritual, intellectual, or cultural values. )
Society has induced commerce, infrastructure, health care, Housing, entertainment, security, and other means of inducing a "comfortable living" because of the contribution of one and all into a financial system which it has created foritself. Society expects each living being to contribute to the system and create more value through participation . A man who does not participate is a burden on Society .
A person who does not lubricate the wheels of commerce is indeed considered a burden . look at the Honey Bee . Do you think that the other bees would spare a bee who does nothing and just lives in a hive sipping other bees necter ??? The other bees would have booted him out of the hive .
I hope you get the point .
Best regard's
deepak .
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
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milredr
.You know what? I would have been a happier person if I had earned my own bread, and lived an ordinary life, with no comforts than live this life of comforts but become an object of pity and a victim of humiliation everyday. I am not lucky, Deepakji, I am the most unluckiest person in this whole world! I don't think there is anyone in this world who will say that he is ready not to do anything because he is getting everything because he is not getting everything--he is not getting the thing which is most important to him--respect from society. He will be called a loser by society, mocked at by society; and then, those comforts also will not be able to give him any comfort to him. That is the reality.
Basab i cannot digest ur reply. I mean in my wildest dreams i never thought i will come across someone who is not a physically handicapped person talking like this. I think u enjoy the pity and being a victim. Yes i think that is it. U like people to sympathise with u. If u were a handicapped person i can still understand. U r a 30 year old man doing nothing and expect people to pity u. U want respect, go earn it Basab. Its really really not so difficult. I am sorry i am voicing out my opinion in this manner, but i dont know how else to react to ur post. Why do u want people to mock at u(unless ur enjoying it). U have to help urself. Even destiny or God can't help people who do not help themselves. And u have a exalted 3rd lord. Come on Basab......
Regards
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Basab
MIlredr,
You can't digest my reply because never in your wilderst dreams you came across someone who is not physically handicapped but talking like this. You have answered yourself very well. You are just like the frog in the well, who has seen only a few kinds of people. You have to see many more varieties to know that they exist!
If you think pity is something worth enjoying, it's something someone loves to get, then I sure love pity. If getting mocked is a beautiful experience, I sure love it. That is why I am not trying anything. Because being mocked is such a sweet experience that success seems bitter in front of it.
I said the truth because I believe in being honest. In this discussion board there are a bunch of losers, but they don't have the guts to say that. I don't want to be like them. I know what I am, and I say that confidently. I am not like those losers, who try to act like winners. I have always believed in being honest to myself and to everyone; and if that seems like begging for sympathy to you, then believe it that way. To understand me, you have to be me, and you are not me, but someone else. So forget trying to understand me.
And listen one thing, it doesn't depend on the person whether he will be mocked or not. It is his fate. I know of people who are not lazy and have tried their best and still got failures and ended up getting mocked. Nothing is in our hands. You have not faced the blow of destiny to know that there is someone more powerful than you, but if you do someday, you will never ever claim to be more powerful than destiny, and I bet that day you will remember me, and this post of mine. Hope that day never comes, but the way you are taunting destiny, showing it a pigmy in front of you, I feel worried for you, sometimes.
And one more thing, Milredr, don't comment on a person whom you don't know. I never ever thought that my health problem is the reason I am sitting back today, so when you are saying that, you are just proving that you don't know me. Don't ever comment on someone's life until and unless you know about it. You don't know me, but you make comments like you know me. From next time, keep your advice with you. I never asked for it from you.
And don't make opinions about someone just like that. You hardly know me but you make a fool of yourself by showing your confidence in judging me. It is not easy to judge a person after living with him for a lifetime, and you seem to know me talking to me on the net a few times. Bravo! No wonder you don't need a chart, or anything, you can know a person inside out, just reading a few posts of his.
You can't digest my reply because never in your wilderst dreams you came across someone who is not physically handicapped but talking like this. You have answered yourself very well. You are just like the frog in the well, who has seen only a few kinds of people. You have to see many more varieties to know that they exist!
If you think pity is something worth enjoying, it's something someone loves to get, then I sure love pity. If getting mocked is a beautiful experience, I sure love it. That is why I am not trying anything. Because being mocked is such a sweet experience that success seems bitter in front of it.
I said the truth because I believe in being honest. In this discussion board there are a bunch of losers, but they don't have the guts to say that. I don't want to be like them. I know what I am, and I say that confidently. I am not like those losers, who try to act like winners. I have always believed in being honest to myself and to everyone; and if that seems like begging for sympathy to you, then believe it that way. To understand me, you have to be me, and you are not me, but someone else. So forget trying to understand me.
And listen one thing, it doesn't depend on the person whether he will be mocked or not. It is his fate. I know of people who are not lazy and have tried their best and still got failures and ended up getting mocked. Nothing is in our hands. You have not faced the blow of destiny to know that there is someone more powerful than you, but if you do someday, you will never ever claim to be more powerful than destiny, and I bet that day you will remember me, and this post of mine. Hope that day never comes, but the way you are taunting destiny, showing it a pigmy in front of you, I feel worried for you, sometimes.
And one more thing, Milredr, don't comment on a person whom you don't know. I never ever thought that my health problem is the reason I am sitting back today, so when you are saying that, you are just proving that you don't know me. Don't ever comment on someone's life until and unless you know about it. You don't know me, but you make comments like you know me. From next time, keep your advice with you. I never asked for it from you.
And don't make opinions about someone just like that. You hardly know me but you make a fool of yourself by showing your confidence in judging me. It is not easy to judge a person after living with him for a lifetime, and you seem to know me talking to me on the net a few times. Bravo! No wonder you don't need a chart, or anything, you can know a person inside out, just reading a few posts of his.
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milredr
Basab u come here on a public forum and expect people not to give u opinions. Dont write then if u dont expect people not to react. I am also very honest and believe in telling what i feel. I told u what i felt and was not being a hypocrite saying Basab I am really sorry to hear ur problems. I do not mock u or destiny. I believe in both destiny and freewill. U keep repeating the same things again and again and ur telling us we hardly know u. Unless ur not telling the truth, its quite clear that u r sulking for nothing. I mean u have made that amply clear to everyone around here. Like i said i am just like u. i cannot be a hypocrite and say basab i really understand ur problems. sorryAnd don't make opinions about someone just like that. You hardly know me but you make a fool of yourself by showing your confidence in judging me. It is not easy to judge a person after living with him for a lifetime, and you seem to know me talking to me on the net a few times. Bravo! No wonder you don't need a chart, or anything, you can know a person inside out, just reading a few posts of his.
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Basab
Milredr,
I agree that one can make a comment, but be sensible in what you say! Is it sensible what you are saying? Is it sensible to think this way that a person enjoy his miseries, enjoys getting humiliated, enjoys getting mocked? Tell me, is it sensible? Is there anyone in this world who will prefer to choose success over failure, mockery, over praises, humiliation over respect? Can anyone ever enjoy being pitied? Do you think it is sensible to think that way? You know why I don't want to ever meet the actress? You know why? Because I feel ashamed to go and stand in front of her, to ask for her autograph. Who knows I feel worried if she asks me what I do--If she laughs seeing the stamp of failure marked on my face. If you are to be believed I would take the opportunity to tell my sad story, isn't it?
I have had a difficult life, Milredr. I have been mocked, made a joke of, been humiliated since my teenage. I was in school then. I have grown up hearing people say that I can't do much in life. At that time I was in school and was studying. What effort would I have put then to change their beliefs? I was in school, studying, giving exams. What extra effort I was supposed to put? Now, you can ask me to do a job, but what about then? So you can understand the reason I am not working is not the reason for the humiliation. The reason I am not anything in life is not a surprise to anyone who knows me because they all expected something like that--they knew from the very beginnning.
You don't know what I have gone through, and you can't imagine because you have not led my life. But it feels terrible when someone gives you a lecture when she has not seen it, not experienced it. I am not asking for anyone's sympathy here. I am just saying what the truth is. If I start saying that no, I am very happy, then, I will be making a fool of myself.
And now don't think that I am again asking for sympathy. You are not a man, so you won't understand that it's the last thing he wants.
I will tell you what I am--I am mentally handicapped! That is my problem! That is why I am everyone's joke! Even here I have to become everyone's joke, including yours. It's no fault of yours but I am being mocked by you for no reason. You are mocking me when you don't have any right to, when you even know the facts right. This is destiny!! It has chosen you an instrument this time to mock me. One thing I will tell you, don't laugh at a person and try to give advice to him--when he is not doing anything, there is a reson for it. No one leads a life of misery on choice. It is thrust upon him.
I agree that one can make a comment, but be sensible in what you say! Is it sensible what you are saying? Is it sensible to think this way that a person enjoy his miseries, enjoys getting humiliated, enjoys getting mocked? Tell me, is it sensible? Is there anyone in this world who will prefer to choose success over failure, mockery, over praises, humiliation over respect? Can anyone ever enjoy being pitied? Do you think it is sensible to think that way? You know why I don't want to ever meet the actress? You know why? Because I feel ashamed to go and stand in front of her, to ask for her autograph. Who knows I feel worried if she asks me what I do--If she laughs seeing the stamp of failure marked on my face. If you are to be believed I would take the opportunity to tell my sad story, isn't it?
I have had a difficult life, Milredr. I have been mocked, made a joke of, been humiliated since my teenage. I was in school then. I have grown up hearing people say that I can't do much in life. At that time I was in school and was studying. What effort would I have put then to change their beliefs? I was in school, studying, giving exams. What extra effort I was supposed to put? Now, you can ask me to do a job, but what about then? So you can understand the reason I am not working is not the reason for the humiliation. The reason I am not anything in life is not a surprise to anyone who knows me because they all expected something like that--they knew from the very beginnning.
You don't know what I have gone through, and you can't imagine because you have not led my life. But it feels terrible when someone gives you a lecture when she has not seen it, not experienced it. I am not asking for anyone's sympathy here. I am just saying what the truth is. If I start saying that no, I am very happy, then, I will be making a fool of myself.
And now don't think that I am again asking for sympathy. You are not a man, so you won't understand that it's the last thing he wants.
I will tell you what I am--I am mentally handicapped! That is my problem! That is why I am everyone's joke! Even here I have to become everyone's joke, including yours. It's no fault of yours but I am being mocked by you for no reason. You are mocking me when you don't have any right to, when you even know the facts right. This is destiny!! It has chosen you an instrument this time to mock me. One thing I will tell you, don't laugh at a person and try to give advice to him--when he is not doing anything, there is a reson for it. No one leads a life of misery on choice. It is thrust upon him.
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milredr
Milredr,
Take care
I am sorry i was too straight Basab. But u r straight too and u should understand it. I really tht a lot before replying to ur post. And dont worry, sympathy is the last thing i wil give anyone. I have not lived ur life. But i have read ur posts. i mean most of them. So i am reacting to what i have read. If there is more to it then i do not want to comment. Why why why basab u let people mock at you, why do u let anyone humiliate u, why do want to people to say see we always knew from the very beginning he is like this. U ask me I wil get a job and then what. I don't know then what. But i feel it wil be a beginning. Its a start. We shall then see what happens. Ur third lord is exalted moreover. Basab my reaction to ur post is not to put ur down. I really couldnt bear to see someone saying the things u have been saying. I do not have any ill feelings towards u Basab. I defn do not wish bad for u. I truly hope, u go out get that job as a start, i really hope people respect u, i really hope u proove everyone wrong and i really hope u do well in ur life and be happy.I agree that one can make a comment, but be sensible in what you say! Is it sensible what you are saying? Is it sensible to think this way that a person enjoy his miseries, enjoys getting humiliated, enjoys getting mocked? Tell me, is it sensible? Is there anyone in this world who will prefer to choose success over failure, mockery, over praises, humiliation over respect?
I have had a difficult life, Milredr. I have been mocked, made a joke of, been humiliated since my teenage. I was in school then. I have grown up hearing people say that I can't do much in life. At that time I was in school and was studying. What effort would I have put then to change their beliefs? I was in school, studying, giving exams. What extra effort I was supposed to put? Now, you can ask me to do a job, but what about then? So you can understand the reason I am not working is not the reason for the humiliation. The reason I am not anything in life is not a surprise to anyone who knows me because they all expected something like that--they knew from the very beginnning.
You don't know what I have gone through, and you can't imagine because you have not led my life. But it feels terrible when someone gives you a lecture when she has not seen it, not experienced it. I am not asking for anyone's sympathy here. I am just saying what the truth is. If I start saying that no, I am very happy, then, I will be making a fool of myself.
And now don't think that I am again asking for sympathy. You are not a man, so you won't understand that it's the last thing he wants.
No ur not mentally handicapped. I have read ur stories and u write well. U r smart and aggressive. So dont give me this crap. I am not mocking u. No one leads a life of misery on choice. But ur doing just that When u can be happy. I mean atleast try Basab........plI will tell you what I am--I am mentally handicapped! That is my problem! That is why I am everyone's joke! Even here I have to become everyone's joke, including yours. It's no fault of yours but I am being mocked by you for no reason. You are mocking me when you don't have any right to, when you even know the facts right. This is destiny!! It has chosen you an instrument this time to mock me. One thing I will tell you, don't laugh at a person and try to give advice to him--when he is not doing anything, there is a reson for it. No one leads a life of misery on choice. It is thrust upon him.
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Basab
Deepakji,
I don't know whether I got your point, but I don't know why destiny spared me from being botted out? I don't think I have done anything productive in life. But then I never wanted to take birth too, to become a burden to anyone.A person who does not lubricate the wheels of commerce is indeed considered a burden . look at the Honey Bee . Do you think that the other bees would spare a bee who does nothing and just lives in a hive sipping other bees necter ??? The other bees would have booted him out of the hive .
I hope you get the point .
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Basab
Aseem,
I wish someone understood it. But then, when a person gets everything in life, he wonders why can't others get that too, just like a bird as it can fly wonders why can't the humans fly too?aseem82 wrote:Scores and generations of people living below poverty line are using freewill but they are still becoming poorer.
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Basab
Milredr,
Yes, I agree I am blunt, but when? Only when I am talking about myself or when I am discussing a general topic. Have you ever seen me be make comment on someone's life with such bluntness that I have when writing at other times? You will never be able to give me a single instance of that because I know one thing that when a person is suffering, there is a reason for it. I may not know it; but then, there is a reason definitely. Everyone tries his best, Milredr. No one is a fool to suffer without protesting.
What do you we do when we feel hungry, Milredr? We run around for some food, because we need to satisfy our hunger. But there are many who dies of hunger too. Will you say they didn't try to satisfy their hunger? Same way when a person is in misery, he will immediately try his best to escape that, to find a solution to that; but then, after sometimes when he sees that his efforts are not paying, he gives up. He let the sufferings come. He has no choice other than that. It is easy to say fight, and it is easy to fight too, but how long? How long can someone keep fighting? At one point the person will get tired, at one point he will give up. And if you tell the person that you can't get tired, you can't lose hope, you have to break, even if it is a difficult task, a wall with your head, then you are just being illogical. No one can break a wall with his head, no one can straighten a dog's tail, and these are examples given by nature to prove again and again that some things cannot be changed, they have to be suffered.
You may have thought before repying to my post, but how much you may think, you will think from your own perspective. You can't think with my situation in your head because you are not in my shoes. Can I understand the suffering of a beggar, can I understand the success of a filmstar? I can't understand both because I am neither a beggar nor a filmstar. At the same time they can't understand me because they are not me. No one can understand anyone, Milredr. It is not possible. This thing was said to me by one of my friends once, and I had not agreed with him, but life is teaching it to me again and again that no one can understand anyone. You can't understand me, and I can't understand you.
Yes, Milredr, you have read my posts, and you know what I am today, not what made me this person. One cannot understand the cause from the effect. And a person only tells that much that he wants to share not everything because as you only said this is a public forum. Why will I share everything about my life here?
Why I let people mock me? Why I let people humiliate me? Why I want people to say that he can't be anything in life? Can I stop them? Isn't it their fundamental right to say what they wish to? Should I beat them up for that? You may say I should at least come back hard on them with some stinging words, well, I am not a extrovert person. I am a very introvert person, and I am not good in expressing myself. I prefer to keep quite because I can't speak that strongly as I can write. Now, you will say, I should change myself. I tried to many times, and I did my best and improved a bit also than I was earlier; but then, you can't change yourself completely.
Then again, once I thought to myself, are they wrong in mocking me? Why do they mock me, and no one else? Why do they humiliate me, and no one else? There must be something wrong in me. Can we call a person who can walk, lame; can we call a person who can see, blind; can we call a person a loser, who has won always? No, we can't, even if we want to, to show the person down. That is the truth. So when they are mocking me, they have a reason for that--just like when you wrote so much to me and mocked me, you felt there was a reason for that. Now, I have learned in school that one should not call a lame person, lame; a blind person, blind--one should not laugh at someone's shortcomings, that way these people are wrong in what they are doing, but then, such is life. Life doesn't run on moral principles. And if God has not made everyone equal, what can I do? I didn't create myself, God created me this way--the way I am.
I will never try for a job anymore because destiny has crushed me, broken my backbone, made me what I am today. Every effort of mine failed, and I said to myself, enough--enough--enough!! Not anymore! Not once more even! Let destiny do what it wants to. If making me suffer is it's wish, then so be it! I will not resist! I will not fight! I know, you think it wrong, but you can't imagine how much a person has to suffer, before he starts thinking that way--to bury all his dreams, all his wishes because he has no other choice--because destiny has proved again and again that efforts will not pay.
I know, I am not mentally handicapped literally, but definitely that otherwise. Smart! Aggressive! Hahahaha... See, this is why I tell you, you don't know me. I am the most unsmart person, the most unaggressive person. On the net anyone can be smart, anyone can be aggressive, but the real world is different, and what you do there is what counts. If I was aggressive, I would have beaten the frack out of all those who had mocked me. Could I do that? No, I couldn't. But I would wish to, definitely, What I am writing here is what is there in my mind, and you can be anything in your mind--you can be a hero, you can be a winner, you can be anything, but what you are in reality is what counts!
If you wish to think that I am not leading a life of misery by choice, if you wish to think that it gives you happiness, keep thinking that way. Truth will not get changed because you want to see it some other way.
I will never try anymore. I have tried many times. Not anymore! Now it is destiny's turn to try to get me out of my idleness. When I was trying, destiny was sitting idle, and not doing anything for me, now let destiny try, I will sit idle and not do anything.I have given up because destiny has joked with me--it didn't know that I am made of a different mettle: that I would gladly wear the dress of the clown if it joked with me all the time.
Yes, I agree I am blunt, but when? Only when I am talking about myself or when I am discussing a general topic. Have you ever seen me be make comment on someone's life with such bluntness that I have when writing at other times? You will never be able to give me a single instance of that because I know one thing that when a person is suffering, there is a reason for it. I may not know it; but then, there is a reason definitely. Everyone tries his best, Milredr. No one is a fool to suffer without protesting.
What do you we do when we feel hungry, Milredr? We run around for some food, because we need to satisfy our hunger. But there are many who dies of hunger too. Will you say they didn't try to satisfy their hunger? Same way when a person is in misery, he will immediately try his best to escape that, to find a solution to that; but then, after sometimes when he sees that his efforts are not paying, he gives up. He let the sufferings come. He has no choice other than that. It is easy to say fight, and it is easy to fight too, but how long? How long can someone keep fighting? At one point the person will get tired, at one point he will give up. And if you tell the person that you can't get tired, you can't lose hope, you have to break, even if it is a difficult task, a wall with your head, then you are just being illogical. No one can break a wall with his head, no one can straighten a dog's tail, and these are examples given by nature to prove again and again that some things cannot be changed, they have to be suffered.
You may have thought before repying to my post, but how much you may think, you will think from your own perspective. You can't think with my situation in your head because you are not in my shoes. Can I understand the suffering of a beggar, can I understand the success of a filmstar? I can't understand both because I am neither a beggar nor a filmstar. At the same time they can't understand me because they are not me. No one can understand anyone, Milredr. It is not possible. This thing was said to me by one of my friends once, and I had not agreed with him, but life is teaching it to me again and again that no one can understand anyone. You can't understand me, and I can't understand you.
Yes, Milredr, you have read my posts, and you know what I am today, not what made me this person. One cannot understand the cause from the effect. And a person only tells that much that he wants to share not everything because as you only said this is a public forum. Why will I share everything about my life here?
Why I let people mock me? Why I let people humiliate me? Why I want people to say that he can't be anything in life? Can I stop them? Isn't it their fundamental right to say what they wish to? Should I beat them up for that? You may say I should at least come back hard on them with some stinging words, well, I am not a extrovert person. I am a very introvert person, and I am not good in expressing myself. I prefer to keep quite because I can't speak that strongly as I can write. Now, you will say, I should change myself. I tried to many times, and I did my best and improved a bit also than I was earlier; but then, you can't change yourself completely.
Then again, once I thought to myself, are they wrong in mocking me? Why do they mock me, and no one else? Why do they humiliate me, and no one else? There must be something wrong in me. Can we call a person who can walk, lame; can we call a person who can see, blind; can we call a person a loser, who has won always? No, we can't, even if we want to, to show the person down. That is the truth. So when they are mocking me, they have a reason for that--just like when you wrote so much to me and mocked me, you felt there was a reason for that. Now, I have learned in school that one should not call a lame person, lame; a blind person, blind--one should not laugh at someone's shortcomings, that way these people are wrong in what they are doing, but then, such is life. Life doesn't run on moral principles. And if God has not made everyone equal, what can I do? I didn't create myself, God created me this way--the way I am.
I will never try for a job anymore because destiny has crushed me, broken my backbone, made me what I am today. Every effort of mine failed, and I said to myself, enough--enough--enough!! Not anymore! Not once more even! Let destiny do what it wants to. If making me suffer is it's wish, then so be it! I will not resist! I will not fight! I know, you think it wrong, but you can't imagine how much a person has to suffer, before he starts thinking that way--to bury all his dreams, all his wishes because he has no other choice--because destiny has proved again and again that efforts will not pay.
I know, I am not mentally handicapped literally, but definitely that otherwise. Smart! Aggressive! Hahahaha... See, this is why I tell you, you don't know me. I am the most unsmart person, the most unaggressive person. On the net anyone can be smart, anyone can be aggressive, but the real world is different, and what you do there is what counts. If I was aggressive, I would have beaten the frack out of all those who had mocked me. Could I do that? No, I couldn't. But I would wish to, definitely, What I am writing here is what is there in my mind, and you can be anything in your mind--you can be a hero, you can be a winner, you can be anything, but what you are in reality is what counts!
If you wish to think that I am not leading a life of misery by choice, if you wish to think that it gives you happiness, keep thinking that way. Truth will not get changed because you want to see it some other way.
I will never try anymore. I have tried many times. Not anymore! Now it is destiny's turn to try to get me out of my idleness. When I was trying, destiny was sitting idle, and not doing anything for me, now let destiny try, I will sit idle and not do anything.I have given up because destiny has joked with me--it didn't know that I am made of a different mettle: that I would gladly wear the dress of the clown if it joked with me all the time.
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milredr
Oh yes i can Basab. Pl go read ur previous posts. Let me not take names of people u have been blunt with. Anyway that is not important.Yes, I agree I am blunt, but when? Only when I am talking about myself or when I am discussing a general topic. Have you ever seen me be make comment on someone's life with such bluntness that I have when writing at other times? You will never be able to give me a single instance of that because I know one thing that when a person is suffering, there is a reason for it.
Basab going by ur own example tel me this. What would u do if u were hungry and the food didnt come to u on a platter? Wouldnt u go looking for food. What if today u stopped getting food and u had to earn a living to to eat? Would u say my destiny is to die of hunger but i will not go looking for a job. I truly hope this does not happen. But if it did? I expect an honest reply from u Basab. Let me know.What do you we do when we feel hungry, Milredr? We run around for some food, because we need to satisy our hunger.
Regards
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Basab
Yes, Aseem, God has ensured aeroplanes, but for how many? How many can afford that? How many in India can afford that? What about those farmers who word harder than anyone in a MNC does, what about those labourers who work more than any one does? Can they afford travelling on a plane? They live the free will we talk about, but destiny has the last laugh, making them take birth in a place where all their free will not make them save money for one plane ticket anywhere in India, forget a foreign country, while some who is born in a rich family, can use that comfort without needing to use his free will ever.
Yes, I am a very senti person. I will not deny that. But when I said I am mentally handicapped, I didn't mean it literally. Deepakji knows what I meant.
Yes, I am a very senti person. I will not deny that. But when I said I am mentally handicapped, I didn't mean it literally. Deepakji knows what I meant.
aseem82 wrote:Well Basab, I agree with you destiny is predestined. Yeah a human cannot have wings but God ensured planes and gliders. Evil has been there since the creation of the earth and even the many Great Avtaars could not ensure permanent removal of evil. This how the world is i.e. Evil and Goodness must co-exist together for God's plan to work..
Mentally handicap????...what is this????.....Oh so you showers sentimental posts![]()
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Basab
Milredr,
I said, have you seen me mock anyone for his/her problem? Did I ask anyone, why she is unmarried, or why he is jobless, or why he is having problems in married life, or why she doesn't have a child and say that they have to use their free will to find a solution at any cost? That is what I said when I said that I am not blunt there.
If I am hungry and need food, I will start searching for it, just I like searched for a solution to my problems. But then, many die of hunger as you know, because they couldn't arrange food for themselves, the same way I am a dead man walking because I couldn't find a solution to my problems. It's not that I gave up before trying, just like I wouldn't give up before trying when it came to arranging food for myself. Now, understanding the person you are, I am sure you will blame and mock those people who die of starvation, saying that they didn't try to get food and solve their problem of starvation.
Milredr, just because your efforts have paid, it doesn't mean that the same happens with everyone. I did get a job once, and I left it after a few days because I was having problems there. My friend mocked me. He said why didn't you keep fighting? He was having a smooth sailing in life at that time. But destiny had to teach him a lesson, to understand why I couldn't keep fighting. When he tried to work, he joined 5-7 jobs and couldn't stay in any of them for more than a month, staying in most of them for a week at most. And then he gave up, and he said he understands what I suffered and why I left the job. He is still unemployed.
Same happened with a person I know. She was very successful in life--had made a great career for herself. She was talking arrogantly then. Once she said, why do I bother about the beggars, it's their fate. I don't feel any sympathy for them. She was doing well, how would she understand those beggars plight? Destiny had to teach her a lesson too. And guess what? She is hiding in a far corner of the world, and it would do good if someone sympathized with her, but she won't get that. She is lonely and all alone and tremendously unhappy. Now, I am sure she feels for the beggars on the road.
I said, have you seen me mock anyone for his/her problem? Did I ask anyone, why she is unmarried, or why he is jobless, or why he is having problems in married life, or why she doesn't have a child and say that they have to use their free will to find a solution at any cost? That is what I said when I said that I am not blunt there.
If I am hungry and need food, I will start searching for it, just I like searched for a solution to my problems. But then, many die of hunger as you know, because they couldn't arrange food for themselves, the same way I am a dead man walking because I couldn't find a solution to my problems. It's not that I gave up before trying, just like I wouldn't give up before trying when it came to arranging food for myself. Now, understanding the person you are, I am sure you will blame and mock those people who die of starvation, saying that they didn't try to get food and solve their problem of starvation.
Milredr, just because your efforts have paid, it doesn't mean that the same happens with everyone. I did get a job once, and I left it after a few days because I was having problems there. My friend mocked me. He said why didn't you keep fighting? He was having a smooth sailing in life at that time. But destiny had to teach him a lesson, to understand why I couldn't keep fighting. When he tried to work, he joined 5-7 jobs and couldn't stay in any of them for more than a month, staying in most of them for a week at most. And then he gave up, and he said he understands what I suffered and why I left the job. He is still unemployed.
Same happened with a person I know. She was very successful in life--had made a great career for herself. She was talking arrogantly then. Once she said, why do I bother about the beggars, it's their fate. I don't feel any sympathy for them. She was doing well, how would she understand those beggars plight? Destiny had to teach her a lesson too. And guess what? She is hiding in a far corner of the world, and it would do good if someone sympathized with her, but she won't get that. She is lonely and all alone and tremendously unhappy. Now, I am sure she feels for the beggars on the road.
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