I want to break Free

[nidi83]

No I am not, because I feel your wasting your time when you dont want to.

[Basab]

But you believe in free will, so you should use that power in you to change your mood to happiness. As for me, what can I do: I know I am wasting my time here; but then, I do what destiny makes me do. Everything is predestined is what I believe in.

No I am not, because I feel your wasting your time when you dont want to.

[nidi83]

You are like a child Basab. That's how you come across to me sometimes .

[Basab]

And Basab i read your post before you edited it. I did not have the time to reply then. Infact you said I think I have started believing in freewill and promptly edited it saying atleast you are not a hypocrite. I can understand the confusion in your mind Basab. There is a time for everything. Till then be happy in your belief.

This shows my open mind, Nidi that I am ready to explore, go beyond the belief of predestined destiny, but also proves your closed mind by showing your rigidness about the belief of free will. There is a time for everything indeed. I pray to God that He will give you an open mind someday.

[Basab]

I am not like a child, Nidhi: I am a child--God's child! I hope that's how I will come across to you all the time.

You are like a child Basab. That's how you come across to me sometimes .

[nidi83]

This shows my open mind, Nidi that I am ready to explore, go beyond the belief of predestined destiny, but also proves your closed mind by showing your rigidness about the belief of free will. There is a time for everything indeed. I pray to God that He will give you an open mind someday.

And Basab, you have really made me laugh. You have no idea what you are saying. Saying just for the heck of it. Who can get angry with your tantrums. It only makes me laugh. You have completely diverted from the topic. I don't know why I am indulging myself in this inane conversation of yours. May be because you brought a smile to my face with all your childlike thoughts. Of course all of us are God's Children. Never had any doubts on that.

And Mahesh I never thought of asking Basab that question. He must have read it somewhere, quoted it out of context as usual and taken it as the be all and end all of everything.

Nidi

[Basab]

Nidhi,

And Basab, you have really made me laugh. You have no idea what you are saying. Saying just for the heck of it. Who can get angry with your tantrums. It only makes me laugh

.

How can I know what I am saying: only God knows that because everything happens as per His will. About tantrums, spiritual people like me don't indulge in that. And one more thing: you forgot to thank me for making you laugh.

You have completely diverted from the topic. I don't know why I am indulging myself in this inane conversation of yours. May be because you brought a smile to my face with all your childlike thoughts.

You don't know why you are conversing with me!! Where's your free will gone now?! It was destined that you indulge in this conversation with me. And don't call me a child because I am planning to get married soon.

And Mahesh I never thought of asking Basab that question. He must have read it somewhere, quoted it out of context as usual and taken it as the be all and end all of everything.

A person with an open mind wants to know why a person said something, from where he learned about it. Assuming things is a trait of someone with a closed mind. I guess, it was destined that your closed mind becomes an open fact here on this discussion board today.

[Zarna]

Nidi,
How far are you in spirituality?I mean as you are saying that if one is at higher level of spirituality,one should not marry or either marry to the same leveled spiritual person.Is that thing you are discussing here?Sorry I asked this questions coz after reading other's view i thought topic is covered all most.Because I have something to share with you,as one of my friend also had same dilemma,she got married & her story is something that at the end it seems like marriage for her may be a hard stroke to push her more in spirituality.& if you are a girl,I will tell you that if you do your all dharma as daughter,wife & mother,everything is in...&in this way you can practice in bhaktimarga as well as in Karmamarga,that's it.Coz I think while performing these duties ,a woman is dissolved completely.Nothing wrong with attachment to husband,children...etc as you are here to be happy the problem is only when hurt,pain is generated out of that attachment. if you are already in Gyan Marg or about to choose that,please dont marry at all.Thousands of post against marriage here cant save you if you are destined to marry & to complete your karma.
May God bless us all..

@DHV:
Very Nicely put DHV Ji.Perhaps bhakti yoga is the only thing to go with in this kaliyuga.Totally agree with your points.

[Zarna]

BasabJi,
I have fear writing you most of the time coz you have good logical control over words & a jadu ki jadibutti sentence "Destiny is predestined." that can be applied to everywhere.But with this below points, as I am agree with this, so can say bravely something to you!

Deepakji,

I agree with you. The same thing I have heard about marriage, but isn't it the same when it comes to leading a materialistic life? Don't we get burned by that kind of life every moment but still desire to live it? I don't think there is anyone in this world who is living a materialistic life will not say that life is a hell. That's what we all say, and when we are told to leave everything for God, we don't do that. So why point our finger just on marriage! It is maya, and we can't run away from it. That is the truth I have realized. How much we talk about spirituality, when it comes to walking that path, we will turn away from it.

Yeh spirituality dont have any shortcuts.It's what the toughest thing to practice in day to day life.
Jay shree krishna,
Zarna

[nidi83]

How far are you in spirituality?

Hi Zarna,

Thank you for your warnings:). Don't worry.

My details:

18th Aug, 1983, 22:27, Oxford, England.

You tell me.

Thanking you,

Nidi

[Basab]

Zarna,

I am feeling really sad to hear this that you are feeling a fear to write to me. Please write to me when you feel like. I will make an exception in your case: keep my logic and my favourite quote, 'destiny is predestined' aside when replying to you. Glad to know you agree with my thoughts. Yeah, leading a spiritual life is really tough, and very few live it--though many like to be called spiritual.

[Basab]

Aseem,

It's okay to be a hypocrite when you are not spiritual.

[Basab]

What do you mean by young people? How do you know they are young? One girl here told me when I made a guess from her id that she is 83 born that maybe it means she is 83 years old. I am not stopping anyone from discussing spirituality but just saying that we all should keep an open mind when discussing it, which we don't, though we claim we do. And about understanding spirituality, there are books there which one can read to understand it.

[nidi83]

Basab, again out of context. I told you i could be 83 born or 83 years old. "NOW IS THAT IMPORTANT"? That was the point. Anyway Basab, learn to look at both sides of the coin. Don't be so harsh on yourself and the others. You are right, you cannot stop anybody from being spiritual or married. But don't come up with your own assumptions. Negativity brings disharmony. Energy which can be used for things like spirituality(which is what you are into these days) is wasted on frivilous stuff like the above. Like I said earlier, it really does not matter to me what you think or proove Basab. It actually does not bother me in the least. I think I am past that now. Again I am saying this purely from a practical point of view. I feel its a waste of my time and energy to be negative. Life is short. Every day is a gift from God. Lets live today like there is no tomorrow.

Thanking you,

Nidi

[Basab]

Nidhi,

I am sorry if I have been harsh, but you have been that too with me. Ask a neutral person and you will know that. You are rigid about your beliefs and you think you are right and everyone is wrong, which is a wrong attitude to keep. You think you have learned everything, and I am yet to learn what you have learned. What kind of attitude is this? What do you know about my life to make a comment like that that I am yet to learn things?

You say you don't bother about what I said, but you replied to all my comments showing how much you bother about all that I said. For me though, I didn't bother about what you said because I know you are talking like a kid. I have seen people talk like you and then change their belief about life few years later. I have seen that and that is why I know.

About spirituality, I am reading it for time pass. I don't intend to follow what it says. Anyway, sorry, I will not disturb you anymore. Sorry.

[Basab]

No, I am not spiritual, Aseem, And I am really praying to destiny that let it make me busy in life so that I don't get time to come here. I want to leave this place since long.

[nidi83]

I am sorry if I have been harsh, but you have been that too with me. Ask a neutral person and you will know that. You are rigid about your beliefs and you think you are right and everyone is wrong, which is a wrong attitude to keep. You think you have learned everything, and I am yet to learn what you have learned. What kind of attitude is this? What do you know about my life to make a comment like that?

Oh no Basab. I am definitely not right and everyone is wrong. I have a long way to go. I am far from that. I wasn't judging your intelligence at all. You comments and responses are that of a child sometimes. It sure made me laugh. Was nothing to do with how much you know or your intelligence. I don't live your life. So why should i comment on your life. But your answers are childish and I will stick to that.

You say you don't bother about what I said, but you replied to all my comments showing how much you bother about all that I said. For me though, I didn't bother about what you said because I know you are talking like a kid. I have seen people talk like you and then change their belief about life few years later. I have seen that and that is why I know.

No I replied to all your comments as communication is very important in clearing any mis understandings. Your comments don't bother me in the least Basab. If change is inevitable in my life, so be it. I will gladly accept that bit as a part of my destiny .

About spirituality, I am reading it for time pass. I don't intend to follow what it says. I am happy being materialistic. I can't try to control my emotions when I am sad a

Sorry I think I got your wrong there. I didn't know spirituality was time pass for you. Like I said to each his own. If your happy being materialistic, there is nothing wrong in it. It is not a sin to be materialistic at all. Be happy.

Thanking you,

Nidi

[Zarna]

How far are you in spirituality?

Hi Zarna,

Thank you for your warnings:). Don't worry.

My details:

18th Aug, 1983, 22:27, Oxford, England.

You tell me.

Thanking you,

Nidi

Arey..Nidi,
First of all my apologies if I used such a commanding/warning language in my post.No no,I dont worry about you,i hve jst posted another view to cover the topic.I dont have any intention to hurt you or point at you for something.But tell me are you following gyanmarga? Sorry, I am not good in astrology.Except some planet position,houses..etc basic knowledge,I am zero.BTW,in that respect with my lil knowledge,your kundli is very good.But yeh I have some intuition power.& from which I will tell that your dilemma for marry/not marry is not purely based on spirituality,there are other reasons may be...& from this challenging task given by you to me gives jst an insight that ego,the "I" is not only yet dissolved but increasing with your knowledge.Perhaps gyanmarg is toughest coz you are going to learn the highest knowledge while controlling your ego(coz for each little knowledge,an aham is automatically generated) & at the end,realizing the truth so that "I" dissolves.This is again jst to tell something about you wht i felt coz I am nothing to tell about any being in this earth,coz all has their own positive/negative traits.What ever I wrote is jst regarded to spirituality.So what ever I wrote if creates a lil bit of vichar-karma(prejudice,anger,hate..etc) toward me,pls forgive me for that.

Jay shree krishna.
Zarna

[Basab]

Nidi,

You comments and responses are that of a child sometimes. It sure made me laugh. Was nothing to do with how much you know or your intelligence. I don't live your life. So why should i comment on your life. But your answers are childish and I will stick to that.

Thank you for clearing it up. Well, you are right in your observation. I am like a child and everyone says that. They say that I am yet to grow up. I hope I grow up fast in the next few years because child marriage is not allowed as per law.

No I replied to all your comments as communication is very important in clearing any mis understandings. Your comments don't bother me in the least Basab.

Why do you need to clear anything to me? Why should you bother if there is a misunderstanding? We worry about misunderstanding when it comes to people we know and are related to, but I am a stranger, so you shouldn't bother whether I misunderstand you or not, isn't it?

Sorry I think I got your wrong there. I didn't know spirituality was time pass for you. Like I said to each his own. If your happy being materialistic, there is nothing wrong in it. It is not a sin to be materialistic at all. Be happy.

Yeah, spirituality is a complete time-pass for me. I am not one bit spiritual. I believe in 'one life, one chance. I read books on it definitely, but then, I don't follow it one bit. I am reading it so that it gives me peace of mind as I am going through a lot of difficulties in life and also because it is interesting to know what yogis say. I am reading it just to know the other side of the world, not to be a part of it.

[Basab]

Yes, Aseem, I have been thinking since long of leaving the discussion board, but then, not being able to. I don't feel like leaving this place because I feel, I will miss you all and our discussions here. I am here for more than 4 years, so feel senti about this place, but otherwise, I don't have anything to learn or say here anymore. It is all destiny, I know. I will miss everyone here if I leave this place, I am sure about that. I am a senti person you know that. About materialistic people, I don't like those who are egoists and hypocrites, I agree, but then, I am not spiritual also. I am a simple person with simple beliefs. That's what I am.

well basabji, you have been saying for this long but you are still being pulled to LOVA again and again...well, it is destiny for you....Just as I said earlier, i gave up cricket, which was my passion, all of a sudden without any reason but now knows it is after all destiny or the Will of God, you will leave LOVA only if you are destined and join the ranks of successful materialistic people who are nothing but bigger egotists and hypocrite..

[nidi83]

Arey..Nidi,
First of all my apologies if I used such a commanding/warning language in my post.No no,I dont worry about you,i hve jst posted another view to cover the topic.I dont have any intention to hurt you or point at you for something.But tell me are you following gyanmarga? Sorry, I am not good in astrology.Except some planet position,houses..etc basic knowledge,I am zero.BTW,in that respect with my lil knowledge,your kundli is very good.But yeh I have some intuition power.& from which I will tell that your dilemma for marry/not marry is not purely based on spirituality,there are other reasons may be...& from this challenging task given by you to me gives jst an insight that ego,the "I" is not only yet dissolved but increasing with your knowledge.Perhaps gyanmarg is toughest coz you are going to learn the highest knowledge while controlling your ego(coz for each little knowledge,an aham is automatically generated) & at the end,realizing the truth so that "I" dissolves.This is again jst to tell something about you wht i felt coz I am nothing to tell about any being in this earth,coz all has their own positive/negative traits.What ever I wrote is jst regarded to spirituality.So what ever I wrote if creates a lil bit of vichar-karma(prejudice,anger,hate..etc) toward me,pls forgive me for that.

Hi Zarna, You are a very sweet person. No you did not hurt me at all. See Zarna, to me Gyan, bhakti and karma are interlinked. Atleast in my life. They all co-exist. Yes maybe knowledge increases ego(i read somewhere in another post). In no way I am claiming I am knowledgeable. Yes ego is not good. I realise that. I do pray that God makes me humble and I can reach somewhere close to Him. And no your post has not caused any anger or hatred in me. Thank you once again for your kind words,

On a lighter note, money, ego and attitude are like your underwear. Even if you have it, don't show it unless you are a superman.

Nidi

[nidi83]

Why do you need to clear anything to me? Why should you bother if there is a misunderstanding? We worry about misunderstanding when it comes to people we know and are related to, but I am a stranger, so you shouldn't bother whether I misunderstand you or not, isn't it?

Basab, should i take this as a statement or a question? Well if its a statement, then ok. If its a question - Well you are not a stranger to me. Just because we have not met, does not make you a stranger. I have been interacting with you. And that makes you known to me and I would like to clear up misunderstandings if any. Communication is the best tool that God has given us and I like to use it. If you think I am a stranger, I am fine with that. You don't have to say sorry to me at all

Thanking you,

Nidi

[Basab]

Nidi,

You said that you don't bother about what I say, so I felt that you consider me a stranger; that's why I wondered why you needed to clear it to me incase I misunderstood you? No, I never took you as a stranger--because I have read that every person you talk to, you have a karmic connection with definitely--but felt bad when you said you don't care about what I say because I feel we don't care what a person say only when that person is a stranger to us.

[nidi83]

There you go again Basab. Well I did not say, I don't "care". I said it does not matter to me. To clarify, I do not feel bad by what you say is what I meant.

Thanking you,

Nidi

[Zarna]

Zarna,

I am feeling really sad to hear this that you are feeling a fear to write to me. Please write to me when you feel like. I will make an exception in your case: keep my logic and my favourite quote, 'destiny is predestined' aside when replying to you. Glad to know you agree with my thoughts. Yeah, leading a spiritual life is really tough, and very few live it--though many like to be called spiritual.

Arey Basabji,
Dont feel sad it's my problem of written communication skill.No,you be whatever you are & with your favorite quote as it seems half truth & at least you are deep down firm in that.I should not make others to erase their line rather I should make my line long.Thanks in that regard.
Regards,
Jay shree krishna,
Zarna