I came online to write about Ramana Maharishi because my dear Pup back home in Mangalore, Anamika died this morning at 8.56 AM . I am shattered because I was not by her side and I could not do anything to save her . If there was one who showed love , It was Anamika . I am shattered . I then just thought about the words of Ramana Maharshi ,
Sri Ramana was noted for his unusual love of animals and his assertion that liberation was possible not only for animals but also for plants: Ramana once spoke of a thorn bush gaining liberation by the Grace of a great saint. On the morning of June 18, 1948, he realized his favorite cow Lakshmi was near death. Just as he had with his own Mother, Sri Ramana placed his hands on her head and over her heart. The cow died peacefully at 11:30 a.m. and Sri Ramana later declared that the cow was liberated.
I just thought of this and wished that Anamika be never born again . I hope she is in peace with the lord . God bless her soul . I pray that it was her last journey to this earth , and that she is one with the lord .
Anamika , You were the best . You used to sit in front of the idol of Shiva in my room and look at him intently . I hope you are seeing him in his true form now .
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Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Sunithi Ji , I have a discrepency in Birth time . You say its 00.59 . I have a 1.10 Birth time . Any ways Its immaterial as the D1 is the same , Its only the lagna that shifts . I am going with your 00.59 birth time .
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
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suniti
dear astroboyji
if you have 1.10 then i suggest you go ahead with that
regards
suniti
the last line of one of my favorite shanti mantras says, "shanno astu dwipade, shanchatushpade"
peace to all the two legged one and peace to all the four-legged ones.
if you have 1.10 then i suggest you go ahead with that
regards
suniti
the last line of one of my favorite shanti mantras says, "shanno astu dwipade, shanchatushpade"
peace to all the two legged one and peace to all the four-legged ones.
I will go with J Hora's default horoscope . I dont Know if LMT applies . Any ways , I just cannot concentrate . Will do this later . So much for my capacity to be detached from the material and emotion . This shows how attached I am and How I get affected by a event like this .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V94_2zv_ ... re=related Anamika , this one is for you . You were the best .
Like a comet
Blazing 'cross the evening sky
Gone too soon
Like a rainbow
Fading in the twinkling of an eye
Gone too soon
Shiny and sparkly
And splendidly bright
Here one day
Gone one night
Like the loss of sunlight
On a cloudy afternoon
Gone too soon
Like a castle
Built upon a sandy beach
Gone too soon
Like a perfect flower
That is just beyond your reach
Gone too soon
Born to amuse, to inspire, to delight
Here one day
Gone one night
Like a sunset
Dying with the rising of the moon
Gone too soon
Gone too soon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V94_2zv_ ... re=related Anamika , this one is for you . You were the best .
Like a comet
Blazing 'cross the evening sky
Gone too soon
Like a rainbow
Fading in the twinkling of an eye
Gone too soon
Shiny and sparkly
And splendidly bright
Here one day
Gone one night
Like the loss of sunlight
On a cloudy afternoon
Gone too soon
Like a castle
Built upon a sandy beach
Gone too soon
Like a perfect flower
That is just beyond your reach
Gone too soon
Born to amuse, to inspire, to delight
Here one day
Gone one night
Like a sunset
Dying with the rising of the moon
Gone too soon
Gone too soon
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Dear Sonu:
I have a few questions for u.
During pralaya souls merge with Narayana. What happens when the creation starts in the next yuga, is he reborn?
without brahmin birth moksha sadhana cannot be achieved
What about highly adharmic brahmins who cheat others in terms of money and so on.
While brahmins are given highest status, they also need to maintain the status by being pious and pure and strictly follow the dharma that is prescribed for them. In kali, u can find people not doing gayatri jap and so on, that atleast is not doing the karma they are supposed to(many dont do) but what if they cheat others. Anyway there are still some exceptional brahmins, true followers of dharma.
Cows are specially considered sacred. What will be their fate in the next janma? Is moksha applicable to them direcly and do they need to take birth as a human?
Dev
I have a few questions for u.
During pralaya souls merge with Narayana. What happens when the creation starts in the next yuga, is he reborn?
without brahmin birth moksha sadhana cannot be achieved
What about highly adharmic brahmins who cheat others in terms of money and so on.
While brahmins are given highest status, they also need to maintain the status by being pious and pure and strictly follow the dharma that is prescribed for them. In kali, u can find people not doing gayatri jap and so on, that atleast is not doing the karma they are supposed to(many dont do) but what if they cheat others. Anyway there are still some exceptional brahmins, true followers of dharma.
Cows are specially considered sacred. What will be their fate in the next janma? Is moksha applicable to them direcly and do they need to take birth as a human?
Dev
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Basab
Dev,Dev wrote:without brahmin birth moksha sadhana cannot be achieved
In the 'Mahabharata' it is clearly stated that a person is Brahmin not by his birth but by his nature. If a Brahmin acts like a Shudra, even though he is born in a Brahmin family, he will be considered a Shudra and not a Brahmin. The same way if a person with the nature of a Brahmin if born in a Kshatriya family, he will be called a Brahmin and not a Kshatriya.
And if you think logically, the Brahmins caste is there only in the Hindu religion, so if what Sonu is saying is to be believed, then only people from the Hindu religion can get moskha as in other religions we don't have the Brahmin caste, and I don't believe moksha is only for Hindus and not for people of other religions.
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Nitin21
Dear Dev:
There is an assumption here that a person who is Shudra today will never become a brahmin and a brahmin today was never a Shudra. These are basics of theory of re-incarnation. If you are shudra today, you will not wear yagnovapeet, so you will not do ashtakshar dwadakshar mantras to raise the kundalini. You will not even do OM mantras. But does that mean you cannot do it in next birth also.
With the stotras, stutis, fasts etc and nitya aradhana of the Lord we gain better janma. So, the same shudra beccomes brahmin in next birth and becomes eligible for moksha Sadhana.
So, when i say only brahmin is eligible for Moksha, it means that in the births that you are a brahmin you work towards moksha sadhana.
Brahminitwa is gained by previous birth devotion to the Lord via japa tapa homa etc. This lays the foundation of Brahminitva in next birth. A Brahmin by birth is a brahmin, sustainence by yagnovapeet and gayatri sadhana is essential. Else he falls down in the next birth and has to work up the ladder again.
Regarding adharmic brahmins, they cannot proceed towards Moksha. PERIOD. Their Sadhana has to align with Dharma.
One should not be proud that one is brahmin in this birth and at the same time one should also not despair that one is Shudra in this birth. Because the state will change based on our karma in future births and all Satva souls will get moksha after attaining brahmin birth.
There is an assumption here that a person who is Shudra today will never become a brahmin and a brahmin today was never a Shudra. These are basics of theory of re-incarnation. If you are shudra today, you will not wear yagnovapeet, so you will not do ashtakshar dwadakshar mantras to raise the kundalini. You will not even do OM mantras. But does that mean you cannot do it in next birth also.
With the stotras, stutis, fasts etc and nitya aradhana of the Lord we gain better janma. So, the same shudra beccomes brahmin in next birth and becomes eligible for moksha Sadhana.
So, when i say only brahmin is eligible for Moksha, it means that in the births that you are a brahmin you work towards moksha sadhana.
Brahminitwa is gained by previous birth devotion to the Lord via japa tapa homa etc. This lays the foundation of Brahminitva in next birth. A Brahmin by birth is a brahmin, sustainence by yagnovapeet and gayatri sadhana is essential. Else he falls down in the next birth and has to work up the ladder again.
Regarding adharmic brahmins, they cannot proceed towards Moksha. PERIOD. Their Sadhana has to align with Dharma.
One should not be proud that one is brahmin in this birth and at the same time one should also not despair that one is Shudra in this birth. Because the state will change based on our karma in future births and all Satva souls will get moksha after attaining brahmin birth.
Dev wrote:Dear Sonu:
I have a few questions for u.
During pralaya souls merge with Narayana. What happens when the creation starts in the next yuga, is he reborn?
without brahmin birth moksha sadhana cannot be achieved
What about highly adharmic brahmins who cheat others in terms of money and so on.
While brahmins are given highest status, they also need to maintain the status by being pious and pure and strictly follow the dharma that is prescribed for them. In kali, u can find people not doing gayatri jap and so on, that atleast is not doing the karma they are supposed to(many dont do) but what if they cheat others. Anyway there are still some exceptional brahmins, true followers of dharma.
Cows are specially considered sacred. What will be their fate in the next janma? Is moksha applicable to them direcly and do they need to take birth as a human?
Dev
Dev ji,without brahmin birth moksha sadhana cannot be achieved
chaturvarna maya srishtam
guna karma vibhagascha
-Bhagwad Geeta
In the Geeta the Lord only mentions Guna and Karma, not Janma. Birth doesn't matter as per the basic sources.
Regards
swamykool
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
Basab:
In the 'Mahabharata' it is clearly stated that a person is Brahmin not by his birth but by his nature. If a Brahmin acts like a Shudra, even though he is born in a Brahmin family, he will be considered a Shudra and not a Brahmin. The same way if a person with the nature of a Brahmin if born in a Kshatriya family will be called a Brahmin and not a Kshatriya.
I agree with u. I have been cheated by quite a few brahmins(and by others too) and though I am a brahmin, I have decided long back to look at the good nature of the person and he is a brahmin in the true sense.
And if you think logically, the Brahmins caste is there only in the Hindu religion, so if what Sonu is saying is to be believed, then only people from the Hindu religion can get moskha as in other religions we don't have the Brahmin caste, and I don't believe moksha is only for Hindus and not for people of other religions.
I dont think Sonu says so. Mother Terasa who served the poor and downtrodden, leprosy and AIDS people would have got moksha. See the dharma stipulated for each religion and caste is to be followed may be but the service to humanity is the greatest of all.
Dev
In the 'Mahabharata' it is clearly stated that a person is Brahmin not by his birth but by his nature. If a Brahmin acts like a Shudra, even though he is born in a Brahmin family, he will be considered a Shudra and not a Brahmin. The same way if a person with the nature of a Brahmin if born in a Kshatriya family will be called a Brahmin and not a Kshatriya.
I agree with u. I have been cheated by quite a few brahmins(and by others too) and though I am a brahmin, I have decided long back to look at the good nature of the person and he is a brahmin in the true sense.
And if you think logically, the Brahmins caste is there only in the Hindu religion, so if what Sonu is saying is to be believed, then only people from the Hindu religion can get moskha as in other religions we don't have the Brahmin caste, and I don't believe moksha is only for Hindus and not for people of other religions.
I dont think Sonu says so. Mother Terasa who served the poor and downtrodden, leprosy and AIDS people would have got moksha. See the dharma stipulated for each religion and caste is to be followed may be but the service to humanity is the greatest of all.
Dev
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Basab
Dev,
I am a Brahmin too, but I don't flaunt myself on that and judge a person by his nature and not by his caste. Yes, service to humanity is important, but that can't give moksha but be a step leading towards that. One can't get moksha until and unless he detaches himself from the world of maya. Doing charity will not get one moksha; just doing good deeds can't get one moksha.
I am a Brahmin too, but I don't flaunt myself on that and judge a person by his nature and not by his caste. Yes, service to humanity is important, but that can't give moksha but be a step leading towards that. One can't get moksha until and unless he detaches himself from the world of maya. Doing charity will not get one moksha; just doing good deeds can't get one moksha.
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Sonu:
I dont know, there are so many good people of other castes and religions and I have a feeling that they will also get moksha. Like Mother Teresa did good work, Gandhi did so much for India, I strongly feel they wont have rebirth.
If you are shudra today, you will not wear yagnovapeet, so you will not do ashtakshar dwadakshar mantras to raise the kundalini. You will not even do OM mantras. But if it is not prescribed for u if u are a shudra, then u can follow other dharmas prescribed and still reach God.
With the stotras, stutis, fasts etc and nitya aradhana of the Lord we gain better janma. So, the same shudra beccomes brahmin in next birth and becomes eligible for moksha Sadhana.
So, when i say only brahmin is eligible for Moksha, it means that in the births that you are a brahmin you work towards moksha sadhana.
Brahminitwa is gained by previous birth devotion to the Lord via japa tapa homa etc. This lays the foundation of Brahminitva in next birth. A Brahmin by birth is a brahmin, sustainence by yagnovapeet and gayatri sadhana is essential. Else he falls down in the next birth and has to work up the ladder again.
Regarding adharmic brahmins, they cannot proceed towards Moksha but how could a person who was born for trying to attain moksha stoop to such low levels of bluffing, cheating others money, cheating his wife and having affairs and so on. Why could he not realise his birth was for attaining moksha?
Do u think such a so called brahmin be proud of himself. He has cheated many people and there would be many shudras who would definitely be better than him, so where does he stand. He cannot teach them morals, in fact they can teach him.
Now u are not a brahmin but have immense skills in astrology and spirituality. So it does not mean u cant reach moksha after this janma. I dont know how dharmic u are and all that, but it does not mean so, that is not the qualification for moksha as per my feeling, I would not say knowledge, because I dont know much of spirituality.
Sonu, I respect ur views but I disagree with u since I burnt my finger with a person who is a brahmin by birth but has cheated me and several people and has ruined several people's lives. If brahmins are destined for moksha, why should he stoop so low that he cannot think of moksha even towards the end of kali yuga since his sins will not get burnt even if he does punya in all the forthcoming janmas.
Dev
I dont know, there are so many good people of other castes and religions and I have a feeling that they will also get moksha. Like Mother Teresa did good work, Gandhi did so much for India, I strongly feel they wont have rebirth.
If you are shudra today, you will not wear yagnovapeet, so you will not do ashtakshar dwadakshar mantras to raise the kundalini. You will not even do OM mantras. But if it is not prescribed for u if u are a shudra, then u can follow other dharmas prescribed and still reach God.
With the stotras, stutis, fasts etc and nitya aradhana of the Lord we gain better janma. So, the same shudra beccomes brahmin in next birth and becomes eligible for moksha Sadhana.
So, when i say only brahmin is eligible for Moksha, it means that in the births that you are a brahmin you work towards moksha sadhana.
Brahminitwa is gained by previous birth devotion to the Lord via japa tapa homa etc. This lays the foundation of Brahminitva in next birth. A Brahmin by birth is a brahmin, sustainence by yagnovapeet and gayatri sadhana is essential. Else he falls down in the next birth and has to work up the ladder again.
Regarding adharmic brahmins, they cannot proceed towards Moksha but how could a person who was born for trying to attain moksha stoop to such low levels of bluffing, cheating others money, cheating his wife and having affairs and so on. Why could he not realise his birth was for attaining moksha?
Do u think such a so called brahmin be proud of himself. He has cheated many people and there would be many shudras who would definitely be better than him, so where does he stand. He cannot teach them morals, in fact they can teach him.
Now u are not a brahmin but have immense skills in astrology and spirituality. So it does not mean u cant reach moksha after this janma. I dont know how dharmic u are and all that, but it does not mean so, that is not the qualification for moksha as per my feeling, I would not say knowledge, because I dont know much of spirituality.
Sonu, I respect ur views but I disagree with u since I burnt my finger with a person who is a brahmin by birth but has cheated me and several people and has ruined several people's lives. If brahmins are destined for moksha, why should he stoop so low that he cannot think of moksha even towards the end of kali yuga since his sins will not get burnt even if he does punya in all the forthcoming janmas.
Dev
Jay shree krishna to all...
@Astrosonu Ji:
First of all thank you very much for your kind knowledge sharing.Though I should read all things then directly asking this way.But I will surely read if I get original literature/scripture & when I get Guru(a big IF) till tht "shree krishna sharanammam.."
Pls don’t be embarrassed sir.Coz wht I told is with my respect to your shastra’s knowledge not to you.My grand ma told & explained me never praise hari bhakta coz if due to your praising,he/she may be away from hari smaran for a moment,you are the nimit for tht Papa.(Though I didn’t believe her, I was small)My family is firm believer of Vaishnav Dharma.My grand father learnt all Vedas,jyotish etc from his Guru in Kashi at his time.He was well known jyotishi who used to tell even a death date & time to the person(it’s said tht his guru gave him a Vachan-siddhi as ashirwad to his guru-seva)After some time he totally left jyotish(though used to write abt someone’future in his diary bt not used to tell anyone,some wht moody kind)& become very pure Vaishnava.So my upbringing was in between such a rigid & orthodox environment.& my nature was liking flexibility & wide perspective (it was my belief as at this age I came to know now tht my Grand ma & mother were right in their perspective)They used to tell me like you hve to follow all dharma as sthri,as a daughter,as a mother,as a wife...etc & do shre Krishna nam smaran & kirtana,only this is the path to live for a woman.but then I used to use my logic & get confused around for day to day life.When I used to see/learn other’s religion,they used tell me Abhagvadiya(one who is opposite to Shreemad bhagwat/having shanshaya in Shree krisha)……..bt after knowing all,I again turned at their advice.(I used to eat my grand mother’s & my mother’s head & they tolerated me by saying lot of small stories to explain me my dharma)Anyways,der aye durusta aye…From my opinion it’s good to learn by heart/mind then to literally/blindly follow wht one is saying.So, I cant if it's not applicable.Is there anything written in shastras abt wht to do in kaliyuga?
Moreover,By birth I am Brahmin( woman) & not by karma, so not wearing yagnopaveet & even don’t know any vedic theory,shastras etc.Anyways there is no short cut to tht perhaps.But then I would like to tell tht perhaps I dont desire Moksha now, I am happy by singing bhajanas/japas etc & God may hve been decided something for me also.(as initially this was also suggested by you & astroboy ji.....bt I I always find myself silly gul at the end:(: )And the last I tell you when ever I read Bhagwat,I never read it through out I used to go again n again in dasam skandha,it attracts me a lot.Shree krishna charitra is something I like/love/enjoy most.From the net sources I would like to post something for all here..
Krishna’s Flute
O Lord, make me an instrument of Thy will!
We humans are the instruments of the Lord.
Human being is the flute.
The Lord fills the instrument with the breath of life,
and makes the inanimate instrument (made from the
five elements) come alive with huge range of possibilities.
______________
Krishna the inner self of all
"At the time of (bestowing His) Grace, the Divine Lord does not consider thus: 'This one is foremost by birth, appearance, wealth and age; this one is the lowest; this one is praiseworthy and this one is not praiseworthy'."
"Therefore, Krishna, the inner Self of all is the enjoyer (or lover) of the sincerity (or devotion) existing within the devotee. Does a great cloud, when raining , consider whether it is a Khadira (a tree of little use) or a Champaka (a tree bearing fragrant flowers) that benefits thereby?"
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Meaning of the name Krishna
Krishna is one of the foremost names of the Supreme
god-head. It means 'One who is always in transports of joy'.
It is derived from krish which implies to be, and na meaning final Emancipation.
Thanks to all again....
Regards & May God bless us all to enlighten..
Jay shree Krishna,
Zarna
@Astrosonu Ji:
Please do not embarass me with all those praises. Veda and Puranas in one lifetime in kaliyuga, even if one shloka can be understood in its entirety, one can get better birth next time. And here I am attempting to understand those first. My knowledge is not even 1/4th of some of the respectable senior and elder members here. I thrive on proper application of that 1/4 or 1/nth knowledge, not the volume. All this by Gods Grace and not my ability.
First of all thank you very much for your kind knowledge sharing.Though I should read all things then directly asking this way.But I will surely read if I get original literature/scripture & when I get Guru(a big IF) till tht "shree krishna sharanammam.."
Pls don’t be embarrassed sir.Coz wht I told is with my respect to your shastra’s knowledge not to you.My grand ma told & explained me never praise hari bhakta coz if due to your praising,he/she may be away from hari smaran for a moment,you are the nimit for tht Papa.(Though I didn’t believe her, I was small)My family is firm believer of Vaishnav Dharma.My grand father learnt all Vedas,jyotish etc from his Guru in Kashi at his time.He was well known jyotishi who used to tell even a death date & time to the person(it’s said tht his guru gave him a Vachan-siddhi as ashirwad to his guru-seva)After some time he totally left jyotish(though used to write abt someone’future in his diary bt not used to tell anyone,some wht moody kind)& become very pure Vaishnava.So my upbringing was in between such a rigid & orthodox environment.& my nature was liking flexibility & wide perspective (it was my belief as at this age I came to know now tht my Grand ma & mother were right in their perspective)They used to tell me like you hve to follow all dharma as sthri,as a daughter,as a mother,as a wife...etc & do shre Krishna nam smaran & kirtana,only this is the path to live for a woman.but then I used to use my logic & get confused around for day to day life.When I used to see/learn other’s religion,they used tell me Abhagvadiya(one who is opposite to Shreemad bhagwat/having shanshaya in Shree krisha)……..bt after knowing all,I again turned at their advice.(I used to eat my grand mother’s & my mother’s head & they tolerated me by saying lot of small stories to explain me my dharma)Anyways,der aye durusta aye…From my opinion it’s good to learn by heart/mind then to literally/blindly follow wht one is saying.So, I cant if it's not applicable.Is there anything written in shastras abt wht to do in kaliyuga?
Moreover,By birth I am Brahmin( woman) & not by karma, so not wearing yagnopaveet & even don’t know any vedic theory,shastras etc.Anyways there is no short cut to tht perhaps.But then I would like to tell tht perhaps I dont desire Moksha now, I am happy by singing bhajanas/japas etc & God may hve been decided something for me also.(as initially this was also suggested by you & astroboy ji.....bt I I always find myself silly gul at the end:(: )And the last I tell you when ever I read Bhagwat,I never read it through out I used to go again n again in dasam skandha,it attracts me a lot.Shree krishna charitra is something I like/love/enjoy most.From the net sources I would like to post something for all here..
Krishna’s Flute
O Lord, make me an instrument of Thy will!
We humans are the instruments of the Lord.
Human being is the flute.
The Lord fills the instrument with the breath of life,
and makes the inanimate instrument (made from the
five elements) come alive with huge range of possibilities.
______________
Krishna the inner self of all
"At the time of (bestowing His) Grace, the Divine Lord does not consider thus: 'This one is foremost by birth, appearance, wealth and age; this one is the lowest; this one is praiseworthy and this one is not praiseworthy'."
"Therefore, Krishna, the inner Self of all is the enjoyer (or lover) of the sincerity (or devotion) existing within the devotee. Does a great cloud, when raining , consider whether it is a Khadira (a tree of little use) or a Champaka (a tree bearing fragrant flowers) that benefits thereby?"
______________
Meaning of the name Krishna
Krishna is one of the foremost names of the Supreme
god-head. It means 'One who is always in transports of joy'.
It is derived from krish which implies to be, and na meaning final Emancipation.
Thanks to all again....
Regards & May God bless us all to enlighten..
Jay shree Krishna,
Zarna
Jai shree krishna
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nidi83
Mr. Astrosonu,
I have been keenly following this thread and decided to become a member. I have a few questions for you:
1. Which scripture says women cannot chant OM
2. Which scripture says only Brahmins go to heaven(quote the verse as well)
3. Which scripture says vishnu is bigger than Shiva or anybody else?
Let me tell you Vishnu is a very peaceful God. And peace is attained when the mind is at peace. The mind is at peace when there are no thoughts and one reaches that state when one is with Vishnu.
I have been keenly following this thread and decided to become a member. I have a few questions for you:
1. Which scripture says women cannot chant OM
2. Which scripture says only Brahmins go to heaven(quote the verse as well)
3. Which scripture says vishnu is bigger than Shiva or anybody else?
Let me tell you Vishnu is a very peaceful God. And peace is attained when the mind is at peace. The mind is at peace when there are no thoughts and one reaches that state when one is with Vishnu.
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suniti
From vimala thakar
"To live requires energy and fearlessness, but we are brought up in a pleasure-
hunting human race, and pain is something to be afraid of, to be driven away completely, to protect oneself from.
But it is the pain and pleasure - the duality - together that make the whole, the wholeness of life.
The more sensitive you are and the more you live from the depth of your being, the more vulnerable you are to life.
The more sensitive you are and the more capable of loving human beings, the more you will be hurt; there is more sorrow, there is more pain.
Psychological hurts, pain and sorrow accompany the sensitivity, intelligence and love. Love and sorrow go together. So, if there is physical or psychological pain, you live with it - not out of
despair, not out of self-pity, not out of any weakness. You live with it because
it is part of life, it is an expression of life."
"To live requires energy and fearlessness, but we are brought up in a pleasure-
hunting human race, and pain is something to be afraid of, to be driven away completely, to protect oneself from.
But it is the pain and pleasure - the duality - together that make the whole, the wholeness of life.
The more sensitive you are and the more you live from the depth of your being, the more vulnerable you are to life.
The more sensitive you are and the more capable of loving human beings, the more you will be hurt; there is more sorrow, there is more pain.
Psychological hurts, pain and sorrow accompany the sensitivity, intelligence and love. Love and sorrow go together. So, if there is physical or psychological pain, you live with it - not out of
despair, not out of self-pity, not out of any weakness. You live with it because
it is part of life, it is an expression of life."
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nidi83
Mr. Astrosonu,
Here's a small story for you :
Story of Shiva and Vishnu
“There are two mahaa-phala daayaka Vrukshas. One by the name Vaasudeva and the other by the name Vaamadeva. They differ only in their sumas (flowers) (‘su’ is replaced by ‘ma’ in their names), but both give the same phalas (fruits, which is moksham)â€. It is also often said, “How much one does not see the difference between Shiva and Vishnu, that much his aayu will increaseâ€.
One day, when Lakshmi and Vishnu were together in vihaaram, Lakshmi sees Ucchaishravam, her brother, the horse of Revanta who is the son of Surya. Engrossed in seeing her brother, she does not reply to the repeated calls of Vishnu. Seeing her attraction, Vishnu gives her shaapam to go to Bhulokam in the form of a horse and come back to Vaikuntam only after getting a son equal to Himself! She comes to Bhuloka to experience the shaapam and realizing that none other than her brother, Shiva can help her calm Vishnu, she immediately does a tapas for Him and Shiva appears to save her soodari. Lakshmi says “You and Vishnu are both same, the Paramaatma. Please help me!â€. Shiva says “Soodari! How do you know that we both are same? All learned people know that. Who told you?â€. Lakshmi says, “Once Mahavishnu Himself told me this. Seeing Him in deep Daiva-dhyaanam, I asked Him “During Samudramanthanam, I thought you were the greatest of all and hence chose you. Devaadideva! Who is better than you that you are in dhyaanam of Him?â€. Mahavishnu replied “I am doing Shankara-dhyaanam. He is Eshwara. He is the same as Me. All learned people know that. If someone is my devotee but still hates Shiva, he will fall into narakaâ€.
Saying this, She asks Shiva to pursuade Vishnu to bless Her with a child. Shiva sends Chitrarupa as a duta to convince Vishnu. Vishnu immediately accepts and comes to Bhuloka and blesses Lakshmi with Ekaveera, who is equal to Vishnu Himself. From Ekaveera came forth the Haihaya dynasty, of which the most noted king is Kartavirya Arjuna (Ekaveera’s grandson).
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Once when Naarada, the avatar of Vishnu, recited prayers glorifying Lord Shiva as the supreme controller of the universe, Lord Shiva, the best of Vaishnavas, at once covered his ears and angrily replied, “I am not the Lord of the universe, nor an object of Krishna’s mercy! I am just a poor aatma always hankering for the favor of the servants of His servants.†(Thus in this small story, Naarada, avataar of Vishnu, glorifies Shiva as the Paramaatma and Shiva glorifies Vishnu as the Paramaatma!)
Here's a small story for you :
Story of Shiva and Vishnu
“There are two mahaa-phala daayaka Vrukshas. One by the name Vaasudeva and the other by the name Vaamadeva. They differ only in their sumas (flowers) (‘su’ is replaced by ‘ma’ in their names), but both give the same phalas (fruits, which is moksham)â€. It is also often said, “How much one does not see the difference between Shiva and Vishnu, that much his aayu will increaseâ€.
One day, when Lakshmi and Vishnu were together in vihaaram, Lakshmi sees Ucchaishravam, her brother, the horse of Revanta who is the son of Surya. Engrossed in seeing her brother, she does not reply to the repeated calls of Vishnu. Seeing her attraction, Vishnu gives her shaapam to go to Bhulokam in the form of a horse and come back to Vaikuntam only after getting a son equal to Himself! She comes to Bhuloka to experience the shaapam and realizing that none other than her brother, Shiva can help her calm Vishnu, she immediately does a tapas for Him and Shiva appears to save her soodari. Lakshmi says “You and Vishnu are both same, the Paramaatma. Please help me!â€. Shiva says “Soodari! How do you know that we both are same? All learned people know that. Who told you?â€. Lakshmi says, “Once Mahavishnu Himself told me this. Seeing Him in deep Daiva-dhyaanam, I asked Him “During Samudramanthanam, I thought you were the greatest of all and hence chose you. Devaadideva! Who is better than you that you are in dhyaanam of Him?â€. Mahavishnu replied “I am doing Shankara-dhyaanam. He is Eshwara. He is the same as Me. All learned people know that. If someone is my devotee but still hates Shiva, he will fall into narakaâ€.
Saying this, She asks Shiva to pursuade Vishnu to bless Her with a child. Shiva sends Chitrarupa as a duta to convince Vishnu. Vishnu immediately accepts and comes to Bhuloka and blesses Lakshmi with Ekaveera, who is equal to Vishnu Himself. From Ekaveera came forth the Haihaya dynasty, of which the most noted king is Kartavirya Arjuna (Ekaveera’s grandson).
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Once when Naarada, the avatar of Vishnu, recited prayers glorifying Lord Shiva as the supreme controller of the universe, Lord Shiva, the best of Vaishnavas, at once covered his ears and angrily replied, “I am not the Lord of the universe, nor an object of Krishna’s mercy! I am just a poor aatma always hankering for the favor of the servants of His servants.†(Thus in this small story, Naarada, avataar of Vishnu, glorifies Shiva as the Paramaatma and Shiva glorifies Vishnu as the Paramaatma!)
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Nitin21
Dear All,
I can see repetitive questions even by the members to whom I have answered the same types(without even a word change) atleast thrice before. So, I feel frustrated to type again. In the quest, I digged my earlier posts and decided to post the link here. http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 100#p44842
These are my thoughts.
Regards
Sonu
I can see repetitive questions even by the members to whom I have answered the same types(without even a word change) atleast thrice before. So, I feel frustrated to type again. In the quest, I digged my earlier posts and decided to post the link here. http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 100#p44842
These are my thoughts.
Regards
Sonu
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nidi83
Mr. Astrosonu,
I think you got my questions wrong. I did not ask you for your opinion. You say it is there in the shastras. Which shastra, what page, which verse? That is what I would like to know if that is not too time consuming.
Thanking you,
Nidi
I think you got my questions wrong. I did not ask you for your opinion. You say it is there in the shastras. Which shastra, what page, which verse? That is what I would like to know if that is not too time consuming.
Thanking you,
Nidi
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Nitin21
As usual, new ids are expected 
with just two posts and joined today with details Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:01 pm , I am not sure with what id have you have been following this thread and if as a guest why chose to respond only today... 
But anyways, Coming to your answers. Every Satvik Purana gives Varna Dharma for everyone and how to do japa tapa homa etc. It contains Stree Samskaras as well. Read Zarna's post above where here female family members are advising her what is her dharma as a female. IF you want to read specific Purana, Read Varaha Purana.
Pranav mantras are selectively to be chanted by Dwijas. This is also in Varaha Puran. Shudras can do all that a dwija can do with Stotras NOT MANTRAS.
Women are prohibited for OM owing to Ashuchi generated every month. They also do not accumulate sins owing to the menses which clears them every month. They do not require moksha sadhana also as they gain half the punya of their husbands by merely assisting them in dharma. Read more of my views here http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 415#p29970
The Ashuchi is applicable to men also if they are in alcoholic state or perverted state. They cannot chant OM or do religious practices. This is also in Varaha Puran in the samvad of Lord Shiva and Mata Parvati.
--- And btw, when did i say only brahmins go to heaven ?
I was talking about Moksha Sadhana. Not punya gains to reach heaven. Even a Shudra gains heaven by his punya. But he does Moksha sadhana only when he aquires a brahmin birth. If prarabdha remains, he aquires more births of animals also, not even humans. But at this stage since Moksha eligibility is finished, a shudra or an animal reaches Vaikuntha and does not take birth again. I am assuming that you know the difference between Vaikuntha and Other lokas like Brahma Loka, MaharLoka, Surya Loka etc.
Your third question means you have not read any scripture. I would suggest you do some homework before asking for others time. If you want a suggestion , Bhagavat Purana is a good start.
Regarding exact verses, please do some work. Dig up Varaha Purana OR other Satva Puranas. Look for Stree Samskara chapters and samvad between Shiva and Parvati. Then we can discuss further.
And yea thanks for letting me know that Shri Vishnu is peaceful God and the chain of thoughts there after.
with just two posts and joined today with details Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:01 pm , I am not sure with what id have you have been following this thread and if as a guest why chose to respond only today... But anyways, Coming to your answers. Every Satvik Purana gives Varna Dharma for everyone and how to do japa tapa homa etc. It contains Stree Samskaras as well. Read Zarna's post above where here female family members are advising her what is her dharma as a female. IF you want to read specific Purana, Read Varaha Purana.
Pranav mantras are selectively to be chanted by Dwijas. This is also in Varaha Puran. Shudras can do all that a dwija can do with Stotras NOT MANTRAS.
Women are prohibited for OM owing to Ashuchi generated every month. They also do not accumulate sins owing to the menses which clears them every month. They do not require moksha sadhana also as they gain half the punya of their husbands by merely assisting them in dharma. Read more of my views here http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 415#p29970
The Ashuchi is applicable to men also if they are in alcoholic state or perverted state. They cannot chant OM or do religious practices. This is also in Varaha Puran in the samvad of Lord Shiva and Mata Parvati.
--- And btw, when did i say only brahmins go to heaven ?
I was talking about Moksha Sadhana. Not punya gains to reach heaven. Even a Shudra gains heaven by his punya. But he does Moksha sadhana only when he aquires a brahmin birth. If prarabdha remains, he aquires more births of animals also, not even humans. But at this stage since Moksha eligibility is finished, a shudra or an animal reaches Vaikuntha and does not take birth again. I am assuming that you know the difference between Vaikuntha and Other lokas like Brahma Loka, MaharLoka, Surya Loka etc. Your third question means you have not read any scripture. I would suggest you do some homework before asking for others time. If you want a suggestion , Bhagavat Purana is a good start.
Regarding exact verses, please do some work. Dig up Varaha Purana OR other Satva Puranas. Look for Stree Samskara chapters and samvad between Shiva and Parvati. Then we can discuss further.
And yea thanks for letting me know that Shri Vishnu is peaceful God and the chain of thoughts there after.
nidi83 wrote:Mr. Astrosonu,
I have been keenly following this thread and decided to become a member. I have a few questions for you:
1. Which scripture says women cannot chant OM
2. Which scripture says only Brahmins go to heaven(quote the verse as well)
3. Which scripture says vishnu is bigger than Shiva or anybody else?
Let me tell you Vishnu is a very peaceful God. And peace is attained when the mind is at peace. The mind is at peace when there are no thoughts and one reaches that state when one is with Vishnu.
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Nitin21
Nidi that was for members who are older here. They know my thought process and i have interacted with them before. I have put my responses in a seperate post above for you.nidi83 wrote:Mr. Astrosonu,
I think you got my questions wrong. I did not ask you for your opinion. You say it is there in the shastras. Which shastra, what page, which verse? That is what I would like to know if that is not too time consuming.
Thanking you,
Nidi
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nidi83
Thank you Mr.Astrosonu,
Lets start one by one. The only sane answer that I can give you for women not to chant OM is this:
"Due to the spiritual energy generated by chanting Om, a person at a lower spiritual level may be adversely affected by chanting Om regularly. A person at a lower spiritual level can suffer physical distress such as hyperacidity, a rise in body temperature, etc., or psychological distress like restlessness. It is especially recommended that women should not chant just Om, by itself. The frequencies emanating from Om generate a lot of energy which in turn generates physical and subtle heat in the body. This does not affect the male reproductive organs as they lie outside the body cavity. However, in the case of women, this heat can affect the reproductive organs as they lie within the abdominal cavity. Thus, women may experience distress in the form of excessive menstrual flow, amenorrhoea (absence of a menstrual period), dysmenorrhoea (severe uterine pain during menstruation), infertility, etc. Hence, it is advisable for women not to chant Om by itself unless it is specifically recommended for them, by a Guru or a Saint".
Thanking you,
Nidi
P.N.: As a guest I was not allowed to post here. I did not become a member earlier as I do not get enough time. I have taken an off today. After today I do not know when I wil come. Thanking you.
Lets start one by one. The only sane answer that I can give you for women not to chant OM is this:
"Due to the spiritual energy generated by chanting Om, a person at a lower spiritual level may be adversely affected by chanting Om regularly. A person at a lower spiritual level can suffer physical distress such as hyperacidity, a rise in body temperature, etc., or psychological distress like restlessness. It is especially recommended that women should not chant just Om, by itself. The frequencies emanating from Om generate a lot of energy which in turn generates physical and subtle heat in the body. This does not affect the male reproductive organs as they lie outside the body cavity. However, in the case of women, this heat can affect the reproductive organs as they lie within the abdominal cavity. Thus, women may experience distress in the form of excessive menstrual flow, amenorrhoea (absence of a menstrual period), dysmenorrhoea (severe uterine pain during menstruation), infertility, etc. Hence, it is advisable for women not to chant Om by itself unless it is specifically recommended for them, by a Guru or a Saint".
Thanking you,
Nidi
P.N.: As a guest I was not allowed to post here. I did not become a member earlier as I do not get enough time. I have taken an off today. After today I do not know when I wil come. Thanking you.
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Nitin21
Dear Nidi,
Thanks for concurring with me that Woman cannot chant OM. You are welcome here again. The problem with me giving detailed answers is people here pick and choose. For e.g. "Even if I write that a shudra will be a brahmin and do moksha sadhana in next birth, the members here conclude that i am anti-shudra, pro-brahmin and do not mix with other religions. Without realizing that I have in the same contents mentioned how Shudras are promoted to brahmins and in what ways brahmins can be demoted."
Hence I did not mentioned the heat emanating from the chakras in the navel region owing to OMKARA chanting, as I dont know your debating capabilities as you are new. But this is more of physical constraint although one of the constraints as you rightly mentioned. The spiritual part is related to the sanctity of Pranav, breaks in Pranav Sadhana owing to menses, rather than heat.
Phhewwww
... I am off from this thread now.... Good luck to everyone in Moksha Sadhana here.
Regards
Sonu
Thanks for concurring with me that Woman cannot chant OM. You are welcome here again. The problem with me giving detailed answers is people here pick and choose. For e.g. "Even if I write that a shudra will be a brahmin and do moksha sadhana in next birth, the members here conclude that i am anti-shudra, pro-brahmin and do not mix with other religions. Without realizing that I have in the same contents mentioned how Shudras are promoted to brahmins and in what ways brahmins can be demoted."
Hence I did not mentioned the heat emanating from the chakras in the navel region owing to OMKARA chanting, as I dont know your debating capabilities as you are new. But this is more of physical constraint although one of the constraints as you rightly mentioned. The spiritual part is related to the sanctity of Pranav, breaks in Pranav Sadhana owing to menses, rather than heat.
Phhewwww
... I am off from this thread now.... Good luck to everyone in Moksha Sadhana here. Regards
Sonu
nidi83 wrote:Thank you Mr.Astrosonu,
Lets start one by one. The only sane answer that I can give you for women not to chant OM is this:
"Due to the spiritual energy generated by chanting Om, a person at a lower spiritual level may be adversely affected by chanting Om regularly. A person at a lower spiritual level can suffer physical distress such as hyperacidity, a rise in body temperature, etc., or psychological distress like restlessness. It is especially recommended that women should not chant just Om, by itself. The frequencies emanating from Om generate a lot of energy which in turn generates physical and subtle heat in the body. This does not affect the male reproductive organs as they lie outside the body cavity. However, in the case of women, this heat can affect the reproductive organs as they lie within the abdominal cavity. Thus, women may experience distress in the form of excessive menstrual flow, amenorrhoea (absence of a menstrual period), dysmenorrhoea (severe uterine pain during menstruation), infertility, etc. Hence, it is advisable for women not to chant Om by itself unless it is specifically recommended for them, by a Guru or a Saint".
Thanking you,
Nidi
P.N.: As a guest I was not allowed to post here. I did not become a member earlier as I do not get enough time. I have taken an off today. After today I do not know when I wil come. Thanking you.
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Nitin21
Zarnaji - Women dont go for yagnovapeet. Please follow your mother and grandma's advice. They are right.Moreover,By birth I am Brahmin( woman) & not by karma, so not wearing yagnopaveet & even don’t know any vedic theory,shastras etc.
Regards
sonu
