I want to break Free

[suniti]

Tat Twam Asi Abhijitji!!!
never forget that

remember vivekachoodamani:

jati-niti-kula-gotra-duragam
naam-rupa-guna-dosha-varjitam
desha-kaala-vishayaativarti yat
brahma tat-tvam-asi bhaavayatmani

That which is beyond caste and creed, family and lineage; devoid of name and form, merit and demerit; transcending space, time and sense-object – that Brahman art thou, have this in your mind.

[Nitin21]

Sunitiji - I am still awaiting your responses to my earlier posts that have went unanswered. I understand you are slow. But selective ???

[Nitin21]

Dear Astro Sonu

4. God is nameless, formless

Sir i have read very few books....but i have posted not through the hat

For your pleasure...here is Shankara in verse 34 of Atma Bodha ( Prakarana Grantha)

Nirguno-Nishkriya-Nityo
Nirvikalpo Niranjanah
Nirvikaro Nirakaro
Nitya-Mukto-smi Nirmalah

I am without attributes and actions; Eternal (Nitya) without any desire and thought (Nirvikalpa),
without any dirt (Niranjana), without any change (Nirvikara), without form (Nirakara),
Everliberated (Nitya mukta) ever-pure (Nirmalah)

Regards,

You are quoting Shankara again I guess only Trijas can do this

[Nitin21]

Yes astrosonu I agreed in the beginning itself that I don't know anything about shastras. I am nowhere cclose to where u r. Just tel me one thing all the shiva devotees are wrong? Simple english wil do without going indepth. I cannot argue with u.

Mili - In my house the first offerings of flowers, snana through milk on the Shivalinga, bhasm, chandan, naivedya is offered to Lord Shiva on the linga. Then to other deities. Does that say something ?

[Nitin21]

Hi Abhijitji,
since you were a dwija and then put the thread away,now that you're wearing yajnopaveet again does that make you a trija?

Suniti - I was hoping for true knowledge from you. I guess i have to stop here. You have ridiculed the importance of yagnovapeet here. Shankara could have been the rope for a fight, but to indulge the sacred thread into music is an unholy act in itself. I was debating only because you had some knowledge. But I feel it is all vain. It's kind of degrees aquired in India where a BE Civil or Interior Design from NID is a must for education, only to be working as HR somewhere.

Please do not care to respond more as the charm is lost now. You were the only person I was interested in debating owing to your knowledge but i don't think you can uphold the vedic values while debating.

[Dev]

Hi Milred:

No doubt Hindus can worship God as per his choice. Shiv, Muruga, Vinayak are all powerful no doubt. I think Vishnupuran states that Vishnu created Shiv and Brahma. But then they can still be as powerful as Vishnu himself and they can so bestow all benefits to the humans. But moksha is what is given by Vishnu alone. This is the belief. Anyway Sarvadevanamaskaram Keshavam pratigazchchathi, says that Lord Krishna states whomever u worship, any dev, it reaches me.

Dev

[Abhijit Muhurta !!!]

AstroSonu ....it was a quote selected from Atma bodha true...but the shloka itself was taken by Shankara from the upanishads...
Hope Upanishad's have your sanctity...

[Nitin21]

AstroSonu ....it was a quote selected from Atma bodha true...but the shloka itself was taken by Shankara from the upanishads...
Hope Upanishad's have your sanctity...

They do but not the bhashyas from your holy Guru shankara

[suniti]

Dear Astrosonuji

I sincerely apologize!
i did not know you were awaiting a response as i had written to you regarding Mahavakyas and the SELF, the basics
The reason i felt this was necessary was there seems to be a discrepancy in the basic concepts of Advaita which need to be resolved before we go furthur,
im of the belief that we must know the thing fully that we are contradicting so please see that post and let me know your views
i will ask you many questions about your philosophy too.
again sorry about that

Respectfully
suniti

tejasvinaavadhitamastu maa vidvishaavahai

[suniti]

Dear Astrosonuji

sorry i just now saw your post that you no longer wish to debate
sorry to have disappointed
have a great day
pranaams
suniti

om shantih shantih shantih

[Abhijit Muhurta !!!]

Astro sonu

Nirguno-Nishkriya-Nityo
Nirvikalpo Niranjanah
Nirvikaro Nirakaro
Nitya-Mukto-smi Nirmalah

I am without attributes and actions; Eternal (Nitya) without any desire and thought (Nirvikalpa),
without any dirt (Niranjana), without any change (Nirvikara), without form (Nirakara),
Everliberated (Nitya mukta) ever-pure (Nirmalah)

DO YOU ACCEPT THIS AS A Upanishadic verse... YES OR NO

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

I dont like to waste my time in arguing with u.

thanx

[Nitin21]

Which upanishad is this from ? Who composed it ? Your Trija Guru Shankaracharya no ???

http://www.sankaracharya.org/atmabodha.php

I hope this is not Maya ... Ohh sorry.. It must be a reflection of one source called bhagvad geeta.. because it is a pratibimba ... right ?

Astro sonu

Nirguno-Nishkriya-Nityo
Nirvikalpo Niranjanah
Nirvikaro Nirakaro
Nitya-Mukto-smi Nirmalah

I am without attributes and actions; Eternal (Nitya) without any desire and thought (Nirvikalpa),
without any dirt (Niranjana), without any change (Nirvikara), without form (Nirakara),
Everliberated (Nitya mukta) ever-pure (Nirmalah)

DO YOU ACCEPT THIS AS A Upanishadic verse... YES OR NO

[Nitin21]

Mr astro sonu , who told u that Lord Shankaracharya is dvaita Dweshi. Give me atleast one text , he said he is dwaita dweshi. When u talk u talk sensibly , dont talk rubbuish in this forum.

u being a so called astrologer , u dont know ur birth time . Have u talked other than d60 and vishnu sahasranama and rectification of ur horoscope in this forum. Ur are destined to get the phala of Shani -Chandra yoga in 6th.

I dont like to waste my time in arguing with u.

thanx

Mr. Rao. Were you invited into this debate ? Regarding my astrological skills, I never boast sir. If it comes right it comes, if not it does'nt. It's Gods grace sir.

You being a brahmin have cursed me today sir. This is also there in my horoscope. A brahmin curse. Some brahmin will come out of nowhere, involve in a discussion and inspite of being treated with respect will curse you.

No issues sir. My vedic values i still uphold. You are a true dwija. May your words not go fail sir. You are form of Vishnuji for me. I bow to you.

Regards
Sonu

[milredr]

Dear astrosonu. I understand ur sentiments. But I truly think u hold an extremist view. God is god. He doesn't care a _ _ _ _ if ur a brahmin shudra or a catholic. Trust me I had very strong views on religion myself. Till I met my husband who doesn't care a damn who he is praying to, he told me as long as ur prayers r sincere don't care a damn whether ur praying in a church or a temple. Trust me even today when my son prays om ganeshaya namaha I cringe sometimes. But then I have accepted the fact that there is only one god. I don't care a damn about ur advait or non advait philosophy. I don't care a damn that I wil go to hell for talking about shiva and shakti and astrology(its anti my Religion u c.). All I care about is I love my god and he loves me. It might sound silly to u, but its like this- I love dancing and I am listening to some amazing music right now given by my dear friend. All I can think of while dancing is I am burning calories while enjoying the dance. I am not making this frivilous at all. That is god to me... I don't care a damn whethere I have to worship him this way or that. I just love him and I think he understands me any way.... And he wil understand u as well...forgivr my spellings nd grammar. Not very fast on my blackberry.....

[Abhijit Muhurta !!!]

As the self appointed moderator... yet sided with advaita i call the conclusion of this great debate.

Astrosonu..is the winner.... as no one qualified is left to debate ...
for all others concerned...lets all have our spoon of ghee and sugar

Sonu...
Sinse you go by "Na aham Karta Sri Hari Karta" we'll take it that Sri Hari told Shankara "trija"....
I guess between them its ok...
Otherwise pal...its Choti moo Badi bat...

[milredr]

Wait abhijeet......................

[Nitin21]

Dear astrolsonu. I understand ur sentiments. But I truly think u hold an extremist view. God is god. He doesn't care a _ _ _ _ if ur a brahmin shudra or a catholic. Trust me I had very strong views onreligion myself. Till I met my husband who doesn't care a damn who is praying to, he told me as long as ur prayers r sincerere don't care a damn whether ur praying in a church or a temple. Trust me even today when my son prays omn ganeshaya namaha I cringe sometimes. But then I have accepted the fact that there is only one god. I don't care a damn about ur advait or non advaid philosophy. I don't care a damn that I wil go to hell foe talking about shiva and shakti and astrology(its anti my. Religion u c.). All I care about is I love my god and he loves me. It might sound silly to u, but its like this- I love dancind and I am listening to some amazing music right now given by my dear friend. All I can think of while dancing is I am burning caloriues while enjoying the dance. I am not making this frivilous at all. That is god to me... I don't care a damn whethere I have to worship him this way or that. I just love him and I think he undertands me any way.... And he wil understand u as well...forgivr my spellings nd grammar. Not very fast on my blackberry.....

Mili in all this all you have quoted is your views, your husbands views and what you came up with experience in life. It will last for not more than 120 years and 5 months, as that is the max span of life that you may have on earth. And all that you care a damn for now, will go down the bin.

We are talking about something that has pervaded over since the beginning of the creation. Not something that will last 120 years and 5 months of your this lifetime. so, all that you have written makes no sense, as hinduism irrespective of advaita and dvaita believes in theory of reincarnation based on past karmas. And although being happy or dancing is not an anti-vedic activity but caring a damn for vedic sentiments is.

As far as your own stand is concerned, I think you should not even participate in this debate as the basics of hinduism may not be clear. This was a debate of Dvaita and Advaita as prescribed in Hinduism and Vedanta. Have you read the basics of this literature to participate ? When I am trying to talk about anti-vedic sentiments, you bring into perspective a different religion than hinduism. How am I supposed to respond to that ? After every satisfactory explanation that I give about your questions, the only response is that i am being a fanatic or extremist. Did i ever say all christians will go to hell and only hindus are allowed for heavens etc kind of statements ?

I will simply put this in front of you. I am not a christian, I have never read Bible. I would rather be a watching person to understand what christainity is all about than passing judgements on Catholics and Romans as one of them being a fanatic.. Please correct me If I am wrong. All I am saying is judgements cannot be made on half-baked knowledge OR No knowledge. Do you have enough knowledge on hinduism to call me an extremist ?? Thats the only point i wanted to bring about.

If you met me someday hiting a dog mercilessly and you said, Sonu you are a merciless rascal, that would make sense, as it is straight forward thing that you see and perceive with your senses and you have full knowledge about that fact that every living being irrespective of man or animal deserves mercy. Your judgement on me at that time will make sense. I want to ask you, Have you judged me with enough knowledge ?

[Nitin21]

Sonu...
Sinse you go by "Na aham Karta Sri Hari Karta" we'll take it that Sri Hari told Shankara "trija"....

Every sankalpa of Shri Hari is executed via Vishnu Bhaktas, not Vishnu-dweshis. If you want to learn more about your "Trija" Lord... read about "Manimanta".

But I guess you would not.. since you fastened the thread-belt !!

[milredr]

Who am I to judge u astrosnu......me who is a non hindu who has no idea about the scriptures? What is the use of something which wil last beyond 120 yrs but says women cannot chant om? It sounds ridiculous to me. There are lot of things in the bible which is not applicable in this day and age. For eg animal sacrifice. Can I wash away my sins by sacrificing a lamb? Another one which I ind ridiculous is confession of sins. Who is the priest to forgive my sins? The scriptures might say a lot of things. But If its not practical what is the point of it?

[Nitin21]

Who am I to judge u astrosnu......me who is a non hindu who has no idea about the scriptures? What is the ise of somethjing which wil last beyond 120 yrs but says women cannot chant om? It sounds ridiculous to me. There are lot of things in the bible which is not applicable in this day and age. For eg animal sacrifice. Can I wash away my sins by sacrificing a lamb? Another one which I ind ridiculous is confession of sins. Who is the priest to forgive my sins? The scriptures might say a lot of things. But If its not practical what is the point of it?

Mili you did not get my point. You are again getting into mortal logic. There is someone who created you. Someone who wrote your destiny. He wrote for the MASS. He did not write for likes and dislikes of Mili. As I said I am no one to say about Bible. I am just not equipped to handle that knowledge because I do not know it. But so far as Vedanta is considered, animal sacrifice is prohibited in kaliyuga for reasons related to motion of Prana in a living body in each yuga.

I must repeat, this discussion was for people who are on the vedic way of life. For those who are not, it will not make sense to them anyway. Mortal happiness and mortal logic for a moment, for a month, for a year, for a lifetime, does not define Vedanta. There is a broad spectrum of logic and rationale, which the people in kaliyuga have lost. It does not mean it does not exist. It only means in kaliyuga people do not resort to it. It also does not mean that since they do not resort to it, it is right. It only means that we together as a mass are on path of destruction.

Forgot to add about woman chanting OM - The use of something to last beyond 120 years is rooted in theory of reincarnation. We suffer owing to past karmas. We make mistakes today and reap in future. Some deeds are not visible as in this birth as there is no instant effect. Thats why Vedanta has to be resorted to in understanding what is dharma and what is adharma. Does it make sense to keep old age parents in the same home in kaliyuga ? They are old anyway what is their use ??? Mortal logic !!! Does it coincide with Vedanta ?

[Abhijit Muhurta !!!]

Dear Astro sonu......please dont give me concocted stories which have been brewed aand fermented in my own back yard..... (Udupi and Shivalli )

[kunalbhardwaj27]

by chaks » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:01 am

With all due respects to everybody, at the end of the day when you all are through with this discussion (if ever ), you would all stick to whatever views you have had before and not changed it a bit. Such is the nature of the beast (spirituality). It is a realisation and no amount of discussion and writing can change that.

TRUE TO THE CORE.

[milredr]

Sir we r but mere mortals.... I wil not argue with u on vedas. I am happy I know my god. I can go to him with my silly logic:). Tc

[Basab]

Among all the posts I have read in this thread, I liked this one the most! Because it came straight from the heart. That is what God sees. God is not a theory that you analyze Him to understand Him. He is someone we know from the day we are born. Ask a child, "Do you know who God is?" He will say, "Yes, I do." So if someone says that this person doesn't understand God and that person doesn't understand God, he is wrong in saying that. Just call Him in any language, and He will understand you. If you don't even call Him, He will still understand you. Even if you get angry with Him and accuse Him for all your problems, He will still not misunderstand you. Because He understands us like no one else does. He is there in our heart. He is our father, our mother, our everything. If He doesn't understand us, who will?

You don't need to go to a temple, you don't need to go to a mosque, you don't need to go to a Church. He is there everywhere. Religions have been created by man. God didn't create them. Religion is a path to God. But one can reach Him in another way: you can talk to Him direct dil se: heart to heart talk. He will understand you. Just call Him once, and He will understand you. Don't call Him, and He will still understand you. It's our choice on how we see God. We can try to understand Him the difficult way, and we can try to understand Him the easy way. I talk to God like I talk to any other person. When I am down, I feel He is there beside me, seeing everything, and He has helped me many times when I have not even asked for His help. I know He understands me, even if I accuse Him, even if I call Him heartless. Because He is not a human being, who may misunderstand--He is God! He knows everything!

Dear astrolsonu. I understand ur sentiments. But I truly think u hold an extremist view. God is god. He doesn't care a _ _ _ _ if ur a brahmin shudra or a catholic. Trust me I had very strong views onreligion myself. Till I met my husband who doesn't care a damn who is praying to, he told me as long as ur prayers r sincerere don't care a damn whether ur praying in a church or a temple. Trust me even today when my son prays omn ganeshaya namaha I cringe sometimes. But then I have accepted the fact that there is only one god. I don't care a damn about ur advait or non advaid philosophy. I don't care a damn that I wil go to hell foe talking about shiva and shakti and astrology(its anti my. Religion u c.). All I care about is I love my god and he loves me. It might sound silly to u, but its like this- I love dancind and I am listening to some amazing music right now given by my dear friend. All I can think of while dancing is I am burning caloriues while enjoying the dance. I am not making this frivilous at all. That is god to me... I don't care a damn whethere I have to worship him this way or that. I just love him and I think he undertands me any way.... And he wil understand u as well...forgivr my spellings nd grammar. Not very fast on my blackberry.....