Celestial Drama in Libra

[howzat]

by Smacky » 11 Nov 2012 17:18
Now if you would seek.. you'd find our Earth stands nowhere in this universe.. Neither does our Sun for that matter.. we're less than negligible for that Supreme Being, the Lord of the Universe (be it Ganesha or any other divinity you believe in).
Also, given the expanse of the universe chances are that life does exist on planets similar to earth. (Which should have there only astrological treatises, given they're definitely not gonna have the planets we have in our solar system and in the same order)
Now, why would Lord Ganesha sit down and write astrology for us when he has so much to take care of?
How and why our Earth got so lucky?

see mr smacky - why you are worrying if we are less than negligible for that supreme being and all? let him worry all that. he created no? - he started problem no? he will solve. you worry what your atma is doing and where it is going. why you are worried if our earth stands nowhere in universe? till now it is standing no? dont worry - still more times it will stand. you dont worry ok.

if life is existing on other planets similar to earth means - that is that life problem - not ours. they contacted you and asked if you will share their problem ah? they asked you anything ah? they asked you for help or solution? you are giving loan to them? or they are giving loan to you? what you are doing/ that you see first. why you are worried about their solar system order? you worry about our solar system order. you worry about aynamsha. then worry about other solar systems order.

arre baba - Ganesha had free time. he wrote astrology for us. why you are worried? earth is lucky because peoples like me are praying every day. you also join and study astrology. then you see how lucky you are. you pray and see. all doubt will clear. reading uday pai blog means what to say? he answered any question of yours ah? tell?

[Smacky]

by Smacky » 11 Nov 2012 17:18
Now if you would seek.. you'd find our Earth stands nowhere in this universe.. Neither does our Sun for that matter.. we're less than negligible for that Supreme Being, the Lord of the Universe (be it Ganesha or any other divinity you believe in).
Also, given the expanse of the universe chances are that life does exist on planets similar to earth. (Which should have there only astrological treatises, given they're definitely not gonna have the planets we have in our solar system and in the same order)

Now, why would Lord Ganesha sit down and write astrology for us when he has so much to take care of?
How and why our Earth got so lucky?

see mr smacky - why you are worrying if we are less than negligible for that supreme being and all? let him worry all that. he created no? - he started problem no? he will solve. you worry what your atma is doing and where it is going.

if life is existing on other planets similar to earth means - that is that life problem. they asked you anything ah? they asked you for help or solution? you are giving loan to them? or they are giving loan to you? what you are doing/ that you see first. why you are worried about their solar system order? you worry about our solar system order. you worry about aynamsha. then worry about other solar systems order.

arre baba - Ganesha had free time. he wrote astrology for us. why you are worried? earth is lucky because peoples like me are praying every day. you also join and study astrology. then you see how lucky you are.

You have already seen my chart and the transits and have deduced your thing about ashtama Shani and all. (Just to add to your misery i've just entered into my Ve-Sa too)
All that and you weren't able to see any combinations for astrology in that chart?

Now you've made me believe i'm wasting my time on you.

Nevertheless, now that we're here. Can you please elucidate what effect praying has had on you?

Why do you pray?

[howzat]

by Smacky » 11 Nov 2012 17:59
You have already seen my chart and the transits and have deduced your thing about ashtama Shani and all. (Just to add to your misery i've just entered into my Ve-Sa too)
All that and you weren't able to see any combinations for astrology in that chart?
Now you've made me believe i'm wasting my time on you.

see mr smacky - when i saw your horoscope no - I realised Saturn + mercury + aspect on Moon + Moon in Kemadruma - cancelled only by Shani and Budha aspect - both bad for Moon - so kemadruma bhang no good. - I thought - no point in analyse further. so keeping quiet. you dont have combination for astrology in chart. if you having no - you will not put three link of useless peoples on this astrology forum. they are talking against astrology - you are putting their website links on forum which is supporting astrology - then you are saying that i am not able to see combinations for astrology in your chart. why you are writing like this?

[Smacky]

You're profound in astrology.

Thanks,

[Smacky]

By the way, the link down under is the first link on google if you search "combinations for astrologer".

http://astrobix.com/articles/Planetary- ... loger.aspx

If you read rule 3, you'd know the answer.

[howzat]

by Smacky » 11 Nov 2012 18:19
You're profound in astrology.
Thanks,

see i will give remedy for you. you only chant holy Sri Guru Vandana in Brahma Muhurta - 4 - 4.30 best time. every day you do. then see difference. do properly ok. see from Chandra in Kendra only malefics are there. be careful. do remedy ok. then nothing you have to worry.

[howzat]

(3) If Moon-Saturn have an aspect relationship in the birth-chart, or Moon is in conjunction with Mercury and Saturn aspects both the planets or Saturn-Moon and Mercury are in conjunction. In addition, if Jupiter forms any kind of relationship with Mercury or Venus, then the person will be inclined towards Astrology.

any Shastra proof is there for this ah? from where this astrobix is putting like this? nice seaching you have done on internets. read like this on net and convince you are astrology inclined. then in same time - you are coming and posting anti astrology links on astrology forum. any more proof needed that you dont have yoga for astrology? I am telling - this rule is wrong. it is anti astrologer combination. first Budha Chandra association only is bad. then if you bring Shani no in this - total problems.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Hey hold on -- Smacky. Narendra Nayak and your Pai,

You said you believe Puranas, granthas, ancient scriptures, your father , mother, bla-bla-bla and also said about God. Mr Pai is bluffing that he is a brahmin. Let him prove that first and then let him talk. I will give him 10 lakhs if he prove that he is a brahmin.

I now challenge you-----" Prove me God "----- I will give you 25 lakhs on the table if you succeed in this . I dont want your crap explanation, u prove me now.


Regards

[Smacky]

Hey hold on -- Smacky. Narendra Nayak and your Pai,

You said you believe Puranas, granthas, ancient scriptures, your father , mother, bla-bla-bla and also said about God.

I now challenge you-----" Prove me God "----- I will give you 25 lakhs on the table if you succeed in this . I dont want your crap explanation, u prove me now.


Regards

What do we have to prove? Whether God exists? or Whether or not you're the god?

[Smacky]

(3) If Moon-Saturn have an aspect relationship in the birth-chart, or Moon is in conjunction with Mercury and Saturn aspects both the planets or Saturn-Moon and Mercury are in conjunction. In addition, if Jupiter forms any kind of relationship with Mercury or Venus, then the person will be inclined towards Astrology.

any Shastra proof is there for this ah? from where this astrobix is putting like this? nice seaching you have done on internets. read like this on net and convinced you are astrology inclined. then in same time - you are comming and posting anti astrology links on astrology forum. any more proof needed that you dont have yoga for astrology? I am telling - this rule is wrong. it is anti astrologer.

Really?? I don't think so, if you carefully look at the planets and there significations i think that rule is right.

And, given your explanation on Kemadruma bhanga, i think you just go by the rules literally.

[Saindhavi]

Smacky,

Yes, it is true that the term "Vedic Astrology" is actually a misnomer and the Vedas had a very different notion of Destiny than what propounded by Jyotish.

It's also true that beyond the 27 Nakshatras in Atharva Veda, there is nothing in the Vedas about forecasting the future based upon the planets and zodiac signs.

It is also true that the 9 Grahas were used later than the Vedic period for predictive Jyotish.

It is also true that none of the ancient Sanskrit texts of Jyotish actually belongs to the Vedic period - and there is a great doubt over when actually Parashar's Hora Shastra was composed - in all probability it was very late - most probably in 6th-7th century CE or even later, with portions being added to it even till late mediaeval period.

It is also true that till very recently - about half a century ago, Parashar was not even the ultimate text used by the Jyotish practitioners - it was Varaha Mihira's Brihat Samhita and some other texts which took precedence over Parashar.

A lot of research has been done in this direction by the historians of ancient India.

I can direct you to a much better researched site for this information than the one you have cited in your comment above. Please read the following -

http://nakrashi.[NO EXTERNAL LINKS PLEASE].in/2012/09/his ... ogy-i.html

http://nakrashi.[NO EXTERNAL LINKS PLEASE].in/2012/09/his ... ology.html

http://nakrashi.[NO EXTERNAL LINKS PLEASE].in/2012/09/his ... gy_10.html

http://shyamasundaradasa.com/jyotish/re ... /bphs.html

Now, having said all this, I would like to say the following -

1) I am aware of the post-Vedic developments of Jyotish as we know it. Hence, in none of my comments I have referred to it as "Vedic Astrology." You can see all of my comments - I call it either "Jyotish," or "Indian Astrology."

2) Just because it is post-Vedic, it doesn't mean it can't be used and developed.

3) You may start a thread on the articles section of this forum on this topic if you wish. But please don't disturb this thread over this debate, as this is not the place for it.

4) I am glad that you find Howzat profound and hope you'll begin a new thread on this topic rather than bringing this debate here.

PS - Smacky, Srinivas Raoji, Howzat,

Please start this debate on a new thread rather than here. This is not the place for it.

Thanks and regards

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Hey hold on -- Smacky. Narendra Nayak and your Pai,

You said you believe Puranas, granthas, ancient scriptures, your father , mother, bla-bla-bla and also said about God.

I now challenge you-----" Prove me God "----- I will give you 25 lakhs on the table if you succeed in this . I dont want your crap explanation, u prove me now.


Regards

What do we have to prove? Whether God exists? or Whether or not you're the god?

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Which is suitable to u you can prove it

[Saindhavi]

PSrinivas Raoji, Smacky, Howzat,

Please take this debate elsewhere. This is not the thread for it.

Thanks and regards

[Smacky]

by Smacky » 11 Nov 2012 18:19
You're profound in astrology.
Thanks,

see i will give remedy for you. you only chant holy Sri Guru Vandana in Brahma Muhurta - 4 - 4.30 best time. every day you do. then see difference. do properly ok. see from Chandra in Kendra only malefics are there. be careful. do remedy ok. then nothing you have to worry.

When you say malefic, you're talking about Natural malefics or functional malefics?

Thanks,

[Saindhavi]

Smacky,

Please take your discussion elsewhere. Otherwise I'll be forced to complain against you.

[howzat]

by Saindhavi » 11 Nov 2012 18:46
Smacky,

Yes, it is true that the term "Vedic Astrology" is actually a misnomer and the Vedas had a very different notion of Destiny than what propounded by Jyotish.

It's also true that beyond the 27 Nakshatras in Atharva Veda, there is nothing in the Vedas about forecasting the future based upon the planets and zodiac signs.

It is also true that the 9 Grahas were used later than the Vedic period for predictive Jyotish.

It is also true that none of the ancient Sanskrit texts of Jyotish actually belongs to the Vedic period - and there is a great doubt over when actually Parashar's Hora Shastra was composed - in all probability it was very late - most probably in 6th-7th century CE or even later, with portions being added to it even till late mediaeval period.

It is also true that till very recently - about half a century ago, Parashar was not even the ultimate text used by the Jyotish practitioners - it was Varaha Mihira's Brihat Samhita and some other texts which took precedence ver Parashar.

Madam -

I dont want fight with you. but this is not your forum. This is open forum. Smacky put post of 3 links and making fun of you and astrology. not me. I replied because all three link is saying wrong. please understand that. If he want to open new thread let him. Dont tell me.

when you read all Shastras and vedas - then you say like this ok - there is nothing in the Vedas about forecasting the future based upon the planets and zodiac signs.till then - dont write like this nonsense.

please read book written by mr K.K.Patak - astrology in the Vedas and Puranas - then please pass statements like above. till then please dont make comment like that.

tragedy is what you know? you have not read Brihat Samita only. still you are talking. what is Brihat Samita you know? If you knew you will not talk all such nonsense and all - that before Parsahar - Parashar was not even the ultimate text used by the Jyotish practitioners - it was Varaha Mihira's Brihat Samhita and some other texts which took precedence over Parashar.

who is shayam sundar dasa? just because he told you believe him ah? how many translation of BPHS you are having with you? who all translated BPHS you know madam? simply dont talk if not knowing ok.

Madam - kindly dont say like this and all. This is not correct. what is Brihat samita - what is BPHS - please read both - see difference then you learn. I will tell you - see - Brihat Samita is Mundane astrology - it is not Phalit Jyotish. Please understand this. Varahamihira acharya came after Rishi Parashara. Brihat Jataka is written by Varahamihira Acharya - after BPHS. Both are Phalit Jyotish. - Brihat Samita - is written by Varahamihira acharya - but it is not dealing with Phalit Jyotish. It is dealing with mundane astrology.

please correct yourself.

[KET]

Howzat ji

You tube references, and unknown persons blogs are been put to malign the astrology. This will speak the hidden agenda of the person /persons .

Whether it is functional malefics or Natural benefics... the results are the same as you said.

Enough of this craps ( of the person making humiliation reference on Lord Ganesha and astrology) made by the person, this will also gives sufficient evidences ( malefics from Kendra) playing the nuisance for the native. You had suggested right remedy.

Do not engage further......

God Bless Howzat ji

[basab14]

Saindhavi ji,

The only thing spiritual about me is, I read spiritual books!

Coming to the charts, it is really strange that for the first chart, the person got success in his Rahu period! Rahu in 8th house should have given him struggle, instead. The other thing which is very strange is that both of them, the one with the ordinary chart, and the other with the extraordinary one, both got the same level of success.

Yes, I agree with you that after seeing the charts one will come to no other conclusion but this that one should not depend too much on their chart.

[aadi]

saindhviji ,
should i consider my saturn benefic because it is 8th lord placed in its sign capricorn or it has some afflictions.. if u can tell something what role does saturn play it is in 8th house / capricorn.
with respect to current transit.
aseem,
i also have mars in my ascendant .

[Saindhavi]

Howzat,

I understand that you felt that he was denigrating me and astrology and that is why you responded.

I do appreciate your intention very much.

But please consider that it has happened on this forum many times that someone came like this and began a discussion that was not related to the topic and the thread got locked eventually by the moderators.

If we get into an argument with such people it may happen to this thread as well.

And definitely you don't want this thread to get locked.

This is why I directed him to other sites where he can read those arguments and I asked you not to argue with him.

As I said the other day, just ignore such comments. How does it matter? If at all you want to say anything, you may tell him to take his debate elsewhere as this is not the topic of this thread - as you say this is a public forum, so you can also tell him this.

But if you engage in an argument, chances are that the thread may get locked and we all will be the losers.

This is why I had to take the approach I took - because I am aware of how such arguments eventually end on this forum - the thread gets locked and you may get a warning from the Moderators.

I hope you see my point of view. I do appreciate very much your support of me and Astrology.

[howzat]

Saindhavi Madam you remember this thread ah? you told you are going on breaks and not coming for some times. I dont think you read post by learned member of this forum in response to your post - link is here.

http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... ns#p129842

what learned member told is quote below - i dont think you read. i think you missed post. if read means you will not take sundar dasa name again. dont read like this peoples blog and site and all and think they are full correct madam they are worse than you.


http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... ns#p129842

by anuradha » 29 Aug 2012 21:44
Saindhviji, Actually the material of astrology on internet is quite misleading. I personally have six translation of B.P.H.S, four of which is from Varansi and commentary done by the scholars of astrology.
1 B.P.H.S by Sita Ram Jha[ Master Kheri Lal Sankata Prasad, Varansi, Samvat 2025 , 1968]
2. B.P.H.S By Pt Devendra Jha[Chokhambha Sanskrit Sansthan, Varansi,Samvat, 2030, 1973]
3. B.P.H.S By pt Sh Ganesh Dutt Phatak[Shri Thakur Prasad Pustak Bhandar, Kachuri Gali, Varansi, 1992]
4. B.P.H.S by Pt Padnabh Sharma[ Chaokhamba Subarti Prakashan, Varansi, 2007]
5.B.P.H.S by Pt Tarachand and Pt Kamakhya Prasad[ Khem Raj shri Krishna Dass Prakashan, Mumbai 1993]
All the above translations were done by the H.O.D in Sanskrit Maha Vidyalya of Varansi and Muzaffarpur[ Bihar]. All the translations are quite similar with few difference in interpretation of shlokas.I personally do not feel that they all the wrong B.P.H.S. If I get the chance to be in Varansi I will let you know the exact year of the first edition of the above books .regards

This Ladies is saying that everything is ok with BPHS. 6 books she is having. what is problem i dont know.

[Smacky]

Smacky,

Please take your discussion elsewhere. Otherwise I'll be forced to complain against you.

Saindhavi,

This is to remind you that you're the creator of this thread. However, that doesn't make you the owner of it.

Owner is the moderator, Khoo Hock.

And, while you can request people to disengage from the topic beyond the purview of this thread you can't issue a threat.

I'm just winding up my act here.

Thanks,

[Saindhavi]

---

[Smacky]

Howzat ji

You tube references, and unknown persons blogs are been put to malign the astrology. This will speak the hidden agenda of the person /persons .

Whether it is functional malefics or Natural benefics... the results are the same as you said.

Enough of this craps ( of the person making humiliation reference on Lord Ganesha and astrology) made by the person, this will also gives sufficient evidences ( malefics from Kendra) playing the nuisance for the native. You had suggested right remedy.

Do not engage further......

God Bless Howzat ji

KET,

What possibly could be the hidden agenda here? Obama assassination?

And, if you're quoting quote right.. i said Natural malefics or functional malefics.



Thanks,

[Saindhavi]

Howzat,

I can say many things about those 6 editions, but as I said, let's not carry this discussion here.

I will not respond to such comments here.

Smacky,

Please remember that anyone can report against you for engaging in an unnecessary argument and disturbing the discussion of the thread.

As I said, if you continue to disturb the discussion here, I'll be forced to complain against you.