Stan hani karo Jeev and stan vridhi karo sani

[astroboy]

Talking of twins, I have a chart of twins where the D60 is in the same Rashi. . Some time I wonder what we are doing with this dangerious and irresistible pastime.

Then I think of the D 150 chart and convince myself that there are higher divisions and they can explain everything. . My whole life time is spent in learning or, as per my parents put it ""fooling myself""

[astroboy]

When I just started learning astrology, I had formed an impression in my mind that Engineers, doctors, Scientists, Millionaires and billionaires, stars, and politicians are excempt from any misery, calamity, and troubles that are indicated in a chart. How wrong I was.

This is a horoscope of a computer network engineer who worked for fidelity investments in Boston. on the 17th of April 2002, he pulled out a gun and Shot his wife point blank, then shot his three daughters, and then did the glorious act of pulling the trigger on himself. Cause was attributed to a stressful married life.

Here is the data - 15 August 1964 at 00:14 ( 12:14 AM ) / Boston MA, USA, 42N21, 71W03 / EDT h4w ( daylight saving time) - Lagna is Taurus @ 15 Deg 47

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Dear Astroboy,

Pl understand---------
a) when the adipathya papa graha VAKRI---------------Papa phala
b) when the adipathya shubha graha vakri--------------Shubha phala
c) Adipathya shubha graha in neecha and vakri----------Shubha phala
d) adipathya shubha grahas in 1-4-7-10-5-9 and vakri----Yoga.

Shubha and ashubha adipathya to grahas is as per Lagna
Therefore for Kumba lagna , Guru is ashubha graha. Being ashubha graha to this lagna and becomes Vakri, then papa phala only.

P.S.rao

[astroboy]

Thank you sir. I get the point.

[anusugu123]

Dear Astroboy,

Pl understand---------
a) when the adipathya papa graha VAKRI---------------Papa phala
b) when the adipathya shubha graha vakri--------------Shubha phala
c) Adipathya shubha graha in neecha and vakri----------Shubha phala
d) adipathya shubha grahas in 1-4-7-10-5-9 and vakri----Yoga.

Shubha and ashubha adipathya to grahas is as per Lagna
Therefore for Kumba lagna , Guru is ashubha graha. Being ashubha graha to this lagna and becomes Vakri, then papa phala only.

P.S.rao

Rao Ji, please shed some light on remedies for the problems my son is having in his horoscope.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Whether the boy will complete his education ?

Vidya sthana--------- Panchama sthana,
Vidya Karaka---------Budha,
Poorna Vidyakaraka-------------Guru,
Saadaran Buddhi Karaka---------Budha,
Poorna vipareetha jnana karaka----Guru,
9th bava-------------higher studies
Yoga karaka grahas for Kumba Lagna -----Budha and Shukra

panchamadipathi Budha is dagda in bhagya sthana.
This Budha is in Guru nakshatra, Guru is vakra in panchama sthana
Therefore there will be break in education.

Since vyayadipathi Shani aspects Guru in panchama sthana, the boy should do more hard work in his studies. Meaning:- more of hard work and less phala. If this boy starts teaching any one , they will pass the exam but not this boy.

Chandra is brain karaka, memory karaka.
Since Shani aspects Chandra and lagna , the boy fails to remember in the exam what he studied.

Chandra being the roga sthanadipathi ( sickness ) sits in lagna. Lagna is shareera,
Chandra is karaka for sheetha, cold , kapha, vaatha
Shani is karaka for vaatha roga (sickness)
Since this Shani aspects Chandra and lagna , the boy may suffer from breathing problem and hence it will give lot of problems to the boy in his studies.

Since Guru is in poorvapunya sthana, education will come through poorva janmas sukrutha.

But Shani shanthi, Guru shanthi and Shukra shanthi is essential here.

Budha is in 5th placed Guru nakshatra,
Guru aspects both lagna and Budha
the boy will have the yoga to appear for competitive exam.

Since 5th lord and Vidya karak budha is dagda,
Chandra and Guru are aspected by Shani,
it may bring loss of memory and hence there will be break in education.

Shukra with Shani,
Budha is dagda,
Budhas nakshatradipathi Guru is aspected by Shani,
Shani aspects panchama sthana, only Shani can rescue this boy.
If Shani gives the Vara, the boy will get vidya. Otherwise no.

Pl understand, if any graha is dagda , its karakatwa will not go. But its lordship/sthana become balaheena . In this case panchama sthana. Since Budha is dagda it fails to give poorna phala to vidya sthana/ panchama sthana.

To be continued-------

[anusugu123]

Rao Ji, Thank you so much for looking at my sons horoscope.Please continue the topic and please let me know the remedies. I am very much worried about my son. Again he has exams in July. This time he needs to pass. Please let me know the remedies that I need to follow.

Also Rao Ji, I would like to understand are there any +ve points in his horoscope which will protect him?
Most of the people I have shown told me that his career will be good. If there is no higher education how there will be good career? Please throw some light on that aspect also. But first education. Some how he should be protected and I want to do all the remedies before his July exams.


You wrote - Shani shanthi, Guru shanthi and Shukra shanthi is essential.
What kind of a pooja i need to do please explain. Right now I have priest doing dakshina moorty 1 lakh
Japa. Should I ask him to do japa for those 3 grahas? And homa for them? Please let me know.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

There is no need to worry about his jataka . But he requires constant touch by u in his studies. He wont open his mouth unless u ask, convince and behind him.

Dear madam , it is better u consult ur priest ( Kutumba priest ) for parihar as i usually dont say it .

Since ur main question about parihar, i feel Shani shanthi along with Kuladevatha pooja is required for this jataka. ( go to ur Kuladevatha temple and check-up vishesh pooja in that temple ) There is no hurry, u can do it later when u have the time.

Carry on what parihar u r doing at present.

Why Kuladevatha pooja ?

The badakadipathi is Shukra for this lagna and is in Ketu nakshatra. Ketu in 6th house
This Shukra is with lagnadipathi Shani .

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

The boy is very,very intelligent but why is it boy dont listen to his mother ?

Maathra sthana --------Vrishabha rashi, adipathi Shukra,
Mathra Karaka ---------Chandra--the lord of shatru shana -the 6th house

Mathra sthanadipathi ( 4th lord-Shukra )is mitra to lagnadipathi Shani,
they r together in this jataka.
But Shukra is badakadipathi also to Kumba lagna.
There is preethi vishwas between mother and son .
Since Shani is lagnadipathi, son hesitate to express his preethi ,vishwas in front of mother.

Mathra Karaka Chandra and Lagnadipathi are against each other.
6th lord Chandra in lagna aspected by Shani.
with this, some times son feel that mother is his main shatru even though he loves his mother internally.
So, son sometimes wont listen the advise of his mother as shatru sthanadipathi Chandra is in lagna.

This shows mother is worried about her son and his progress but both cannot express openly each other.

This jataka is very,very intelligent because,
Manokaraka Chandra in Vayu tatwa rashi,
Buddhi karaka Budha in Vayu tatwa rashi,
Vishesh jnana karaka Guru is also in Vayu tatwa rashi
this intelligence wont come to use as Chandra and Guru is aspected by Shani, Budha is dagda .
Budha -Aditya yoga wont be fruitful because Budha is dagda
no graha in kendra from Chandra or to the lagna



Pl note -- the boy may have little problem with regard to kidney stone or hydrocle or hurnia or any inflamation in kidney.Take care.


Next---------what Shani will do to this jataka ?

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Shani aspects Guru------------------------------------------------------Rudra shraap-Brahmajnani shraap,
Bhadakadipathi-Chatrudadipathi Shukra with Shani-----------------Kula devatha Shraap,

Shani aspects mathra karaka Chandra and
mathrasthanadipathi is in 8th from mathra sthana,
mathrasthanadipathi is with Shani,
boys mother also have Shani dosha in her jataka.

Boy is running Shani dasha--Guru bhukthi,
Shani veda to Guru,
Shani with bhadakadipathi,
Shani aspected by marakadipathi Guru,
in navamsha Shani in shatru rashi,
in navamsha Guru is with aghaath karaka Ketu,
So this period is not favourable.

Since Guru and Shukra is naisargika shubha graha,
the jataka will overcome all the difficulties
if he does the
Shani-Guru-Shukra shanthi

With regard to Graha Yuddha, there are more than one school of thoughts. As far as i learnt, Kuja is a Yuddha graha and his association is required to say graha yuddha that too both grahas should be in same pada. In this jataka Kuja is not in graha yudda or in same pada with budha , hence graha yuddha is not there in this jataka.

Dear madam, no doubt shani in yoga karaka nakshatra and also mitra and along with yoga karaka graha --Shukra. But one thing u must understand , Shani in Badakadipathi nakshatra. Badaka sthana and badakadipathi have its own prabhva in jyothish shastra. Hence, even if Shani gives the phala he will make the native suffer much and at last he will give the shubha phala. I hope u understood.


For ur academic interest, Shanthi means-----
after doing the required japa , the homa will be performed to the perticular graha.

Japa sankya for Shani----23000,
Japa sankya for Guru-----19000,
Japa sankya for Shukra---16000.

When the dash or graha is ashubha, the required number of japa for the perticular graha will be done first,
after doing japa, homa is performed,
after homa annadhana is given,
for every graha ,dhaana is very very important.

There is no need to worry , every priest knows this .

-----------------OR------------------------------

Simplest way is --- ask ur priest to do the Navagraha Shanthi ( all graha ) along with vishesh Shanthi to Shani graha. It should cost not be more than Rs 20000/-

Karma karaka Shani Bagwan is the only one who can release this jataka from Karma Vipaka ( problem)
I pray Lord Shani Dev to bless this boy a good bhavishya.

In Sahadeva Nadi , it is said that-----

Guru will bring shubha phala wherever he sees, that bava will get vriddhi
Shani will bring vriddhi whichever the bava he sits, that bava will improve
But his drishti to any bava will bring fear and distruction ( naasha )

[anusugu123]

Thank you, Rao Ji for the detailed explanation. I really appreciate your help on this. Thanks a lot.
I called poojari in my kuldevatha place and asked him to do ekadasha rudram for Siva.
I am going to get Navagraha shanti ASAP.

Once again thanks a lot.

[Kunal]

To address the original question,
I was also confused after watching the same thing on TV by the same man.I just couldn't digest that!
So I googled,googled and googled for several days in rage...finally to trip across something very important...and it was this that yes its true!! BUT its incomplete!!

I remembered reading that the complete dictum is (though I dont think I found any reference to any classic)
Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva. Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani

You see,how eating up the words at the start changes the whole meaning!! I don't know why anyone would do that..maybe to sell himself and his knowledge but thats really bad!! Anyway,I was relieved on having come across the real dictum.I read up on it and they explained the reason behind it.

As for the papkartari yoga ,yeah I believe that is valid.

I gogoled again specifically to for this thread and here is one of the result

http://vjgoel.[NO EXTERNAL LINKS PLEASE].in/2010/08/sthan ... riddi.html

Just google out the dictum above and you should get results that you can read up.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

I remembered reading that the complete dictum is (though I dont think I found any reference to any classic)
Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva. Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani


http://vjgoel.[NO EXTERNAL LINKS PLEASE].in/2010/08/sthan ... riddi.html

Just google out the dictum above and you should get results that you can read up.

[/quote]


Dear Sir,

Thanx for ur effort


P.S.Rao

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Dear Madam,

For ur acdemeic interest and also with regards to ur sons jataka, kindly go through the following dictum mentioned in Laghu Parashari.

!) Ravi, Kuja, Shani being the lord of 1-4-7-10 (kendradipathi)

a) sits in 1-4-7-10-5-9---------------Shubha.
If it is in uchha, or swa rashi----------Shubha.
If it is in papa rashi ( Mesha, vrischika, simha, makara, kumba )--------Shubha.
If it is in Shubha rashi--------------Papa phala.

b) sits in 3-6-8-11-12th rashi----------------Avayoga.

2) Ravi, Kuja, Shani being the lord of 3-6-8-11-12

sits in 1-4-7-10--------------------alpa shubha
sits in 5-9--------------------------poorna shubha
Uchha, swa rashi------------------very bad

sits in 3-6-8-11-12----------------avayoga

3) Shani the 1st and 12th lord ( Kumba lagna ) sits in 12th-------avayoga.


Therefore for Kumba Lagna , the Shani is lagnadipathi and also vyayadipathi

sits in 1-4-7-10------------------alpa shubha
sits in 5-9------------------------poorna shubha
sits in 3-6-8-11-12--------------avayoga.

Therefore the word ----" Lagnadipathi is Athyantha Shubha graha among navagrahas or Lagnadipathi never gives bad phala " is nullified in the above dictum

Kindly dont feel dejected , ur son is having bright future. U will see this once u do the parihar told in this thread earlier. This is my guarantee and ur son will successfully complete his education.

May lord Sri Rajarajeshwari bless u and ur family

Regards

P.S.Rao

[Kunal]

Dear Sir,

Thanx for ur effort


P.S.Rao

My pleasure sir.Thats what we all are here for ,to share and enhance our knowledge of the subject.

Dear Madam,

For ur acdemeic interest and also with regards to ur sons jataka, kindly go through the following dictum mentioned in Laghu Parashari.


2) Ravi, Kuja, Shani being the lord of 3-6-8-11-12

sits in 1-4-7-10--------------------alpa shubha
sits in 5-9--------------------------poorna shubha
Uchha, swa rashi------------------very bad

sits in 3-6-8-11-12----------------avayoga
Regards

P.S.Rao

Sir,this second point of the dictum caught my attention and I have a question regarding the same.
As per the above (quote) , if Saturn being lord of 3 is posited in his own sign then it is very bad and if in the 3 then it is an avayoga.
What if Retrograde Saturn as lord of 2 and 3 placed in Capricorn (own sign) in 2 (own house) ?!
What actually confuses me is that Saturn being a slow planet would be placed so in many charts over a certain period of time so does that mean that that generation has a malefic Saturn?

I know its not usually right to generalize in astrology and every chart holds something unique but this got me curious.And I've a couple of charts with this placement I mentioned.If you would offer your insight then I'll gladly post the details.

Thank you.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Dear Sir,

Sir,this second point of the dictum caught my attention and I have a question regarding the same.
As per the above (quote) , if Saturn being lord of 3 is posited in his own sign then it is very bad and if in the 3 then it is an avayoga.

Pl understand I have explained the rulings only for Kumba lagna for naisargik ashubha graha.
I have not explained what if Shani is the lord of 2nd and 3rd. U will come to know as the thread goes and when i explain for other lagnas.
He will give the shubha phala only if he is the lord of 3rd and 4th sits in 4th his own rashi( Vrischika lagna )

What actually confuses me is that Saturn being a slow planet would be placed so in many charts over a certain period of time so does that mean that that generation has a malefic Saturn?

Shani is considered as no 1 malefic among grahas irrespective of his placements . He will be good only if he is aspected by powereful Guru or in Yoga karaka nakshatra in shubha sthana.. I mean , he gives the same amount of malefics even if he is in good in jataka.( For eg:- If he provides the money, he will give the sickness at the same time. The jataka is unhappy even if he has lot of money )The meaning of this planet is such---------Kashta or pain or sufferings. The charactor of this graha is such, if u ask Shani, he will give one but simultaneously take another from u . Hope u understand.

Also pl understand , on one single graha we cannot analyse the entire jataka. All 9 planets are required to analyse the shubha or ashubha phala of the jataka. That is why Shubha and Ashubha bava/graha for each lagna is derived only to assess the phala-phala of the jataka.

What if Retrograde Saturn as lord of 2 and 3 placed in Capricorn (own sign) in 2 (own house) ?!

Shani being the Dhana sthanadipathi sits in dhana sthana is very good. Since he is vakra , the native wiill have a bad name in the society even he is a millioner with regard to money. Since 2nd house is the education sthana, Shani here will give trouble/delay to education of the native, because Shani is manda karaka.

Regarding this , i will explain once the Kendradipathya of Shubha graha is over.

[chinni]

Srinivasa Rao garu,

Can you tell me saturn placement is good or not in my son's chart. Because my son 's lagna is Kumbha and sa in 2nd house in Uttarabhadra star.Sun and Mercury in 8th house with rahu and now saturn dasha is running with mercury antardasha.Sa,ke in 2nd house are aspecting 8th house planets.

details are

17th sep 1996
17.44 hrs
Vijayawada,Andhra Pradesh,India.

Thank you.

regards
Chinni.

[Kunal]

Respected Sir,

Dear Sir,
Pl understand I have explained the rulings only for Kumba lagna for naisargik ashubha graha.

I am sorry ,I didnt realize that the first and second point were also only for Kumbha lagna.I do have a chart of Kumbha lagna.She has vargottam lagna in Navamsa.Lord Shani is placed in the 12H (Makar) in rasi chart.She is undergoing Shani's MD since June,2005 but attributes this period to be a very happy time of her life.
Some interesting points:
1H - Moon
5H - Ketu
7H - Vakri Jupiter
10H - Venus
11H - Rahu,Sun,Mars,Mercury
12H - Saturn
She is currently in her final year of graduation pursuing degree in IT and is a very happy go lucky person.

I have not been able to understand the influence of her present MD on her mind,studies and attitude as she seems to be care free and doing alright academically.

-Things that I did confirm were that she is usually affected by cold and cough.I attribute that to Moon as lord of 6H placed in 1H.
-She is also very secretive natured person (which I think is true incase of Saturn placed in 12H in Kumbha lagna,please correct me if am wrong).
-Venus aspects its own (4H) house from 10H.
-Vakri Jupter aspects lord of 5H Mercury,lagna and Moon.
-Shani ,however, is neecha in navamsa placed in 3H with moon and aspected by Vakri Guru from 9H(which also aspects lagna).Perhaps that is why such an easy going person ?


I am providing the details just incase if it can be used as a good example to help explain this topic
Details:
10 Jan 1992
10:14 am
Mumbai,Maharashtra

I have not explained what if Shani is the lord of 2nd and 3rd. U will come to know as the thread goes and when i explain for other lagnas.

Yes sir,I really like the way you explain so it would really be appreciated if you explain other lagnas as well,preferably with examples.

Shani is considered as no 1 malefic among grahas irrespective of his placements . He will be good only if he is aspected by powereful Guru or in Yoga karaka nakshatra in shubha sthana.. I mean , he gives the same amount of malefics even if he is in good in jataka.( For eg:- If he provides the money, he will give the sickness at the same time. The jataka is unhappy even if he has lot of money )The meaning of this planet is such---------Kashta or pain or sufferings. The charactor of this graha is such, if u ask Shani, he will give one but simultaneously take another from u . Hope u understand.

Yes,my guru says the same about Lord Shani.That Shani ,no matter,how well placed and whatever materialistic comforts (mainly wealth) he may shower but he will show his true nature and cause delays.However,from one of my personal experience I have understood one thing and that is Lord Shani is a great teacher, a harsh one...one who may carry a stick and hit the student hard but he teaches lessons by giving experience.And to learn by experience one has to pay very high fees but the lesson one never forgets,hence a good teacher.For someone who is following the right path and has good karma,his Shani maybe very well placed in chart and thus a boon/blessing for that native.That is just my opinion.

What if Retrograde Saturn as lord of 2 and 3 placed in Capricorn (own sign) in 2 (own house) ?!

Shani being the Dhana sthanadipathi sits in dhana sthana is very good. Since he is vakra , the native wiill have a bad name in the society even he is a millioner with regard to money. Since 2nd house is the education sthana, Shani here will give trouble/delay to education of the native, because Shani is manda karaka.

Regarding this , i will explain once the Kendradipathya of Shubha graha is over.

Thank you ,an explanation will surely help a lot and will be very appreciated.
I was following you topic named - Kendradipathi and Kendradipathya Dosha - in the donor's lounge.Even astroboyji has a topic on this dosha.Reading them has scared me to quite a bit as in my own chart I saw Guru as a saving grace and one forming good raj yogas while Budha forming Dharma-Karmaadhipati yoga but now not only am I scared but full of curiosity with questions about Dhanu lagna and placement of Guru and Budha.

[anusugu123]

[quote="P.Srinivas. Rao"]Dear Madam,

For ur acdemeic interest and also with regards to ur sons jataka, kindly go through the following dictum mentioned in Laghu Parashari.

!) Ravi, Kuja, Shani being the lord of 1-4-7-10 (kendradipathi)

a) sits in 1-4-7-10-5-9---------------Shubha.
If it is in uchha, or swa rashi----------Shubha.
If it is in papa rashi ( Mesha, vrischika, simha, makara, kumba )--------Shubha.
If it is in Shubha rashi--------------Papa phala.

b) sits in 3-6-8-11-12th rashi----------------Avayoga.

2) Ravi, Kuja, Shani being the lord of 3-6-8-11-12

sits in 1-4-7-10--------------------alpa shubha
sits in 5-9--------------------------poorna shubha
Uchha, swa rashi------------------very bad

sits in 3-6-8-11-12----------------avayoga

3) Shani the 1st and 12th lord ( Kumba lagna ) sits in 12th-------avayoga.


Therefore for Kumba Lagna , the Shani is lagnadipathi and also vyayadipathi

sits in 1-4-7-10------------------alpa shubha
sits in 5-9------------------------poorna shubha
sits in 3-6-8-11-12--------------avayoga.

Therefore the word ----" Lagnadipathi is Athyantha Shubha graha among navagrahas or Lagnadipathi never gives bad phala " is nullified in the above dictum

Kindly dont feel dejected , ur son is having bright future. U will see this once u do the parihar told in this thread earlier. This is my guarantee and ur son will successfully complete his education.

May lord Sri Rajarajeshwari bless u and ur family

Regards

P.S.Rao[/quo



Srinivasrao garu, my son's results came. He passed the exams as per your prediction. Now he moved into Final MBBS. So much tension has been relieved. Thank you so much for all.

[astroboy]

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Congratulations to you Anusugu ji. It is thanks to your prayers, that you have done on his behalf, that he has cleared his third year. Now there is one more year left. Let him now concentrate fully. He has to finish his studies by 2014 at any cost. Wish him the best of luck on my behalf.

Best regards,
Deepak,

[anusugu123]

Thank you, Astroboy ji.

[gaurav1185]

I have Leo lagna and 5th lord jupiter is both deb and combust in 6th house.. i have done engineering in computers and I am doing well in this field.

[astroboy]

by gaurav1185 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:17 pm

I have Leo lagna and 5th lord jupiter is both deb and combust in 6th house.. i have done engineering in computers and I am doing well in this field.

Albert Einstein has a debilitated Lagna and 4th lord. What is the point you are trying to make Gaurav?

[gaurav1185]

Hi Astroboy,

Saw you guys discussing about problems with education and its relation to 5th house/5th lord and affliction to them. So just gave my case where I have afflicted 5th lord but still had engineering degree and doing well in IT sector.

In my case 5th lord Jupiter is deb in D1,D9 and D60. Jupiter is combusted and then going ahead have aspects of Saturn and Rahu. Jupiter is in Rashi Sandhi too. Worst case of affliction isn't it ?

[astroboy]

There is a saying, "Rome was not built in a day". "Neither was a wall built with one brick"

Please consider the Budha Aditya yoga in the 5th Bhava, also consider the aspect of the 4th and the 9th Lord Kuja, on the Lagna and the 2nd house, You have to also consider the Dharma Karmadipati Yoga that forms in the 7th Bhava aspecting the Lagna. Shukra and Kuja, the 9th and the 10th Lords, sit in the 7th Bhava and aspect the Lagna. It can't get better than that.

Having said all that, Guru will show his true colours when his Dasha comes into play. Neither does he earn a decent Neecha Bhanga, nor does he have enough digital strength. Every Graha Gets his time to play, when the time is ripe.

If not for the Antar dasha of Guru that is running now, you would not have been on this forum.