Stan hani karo Jeev and stan vridhi karo sani

[astroboy]

Anusugu ji, You have My Guru's P.S.Rao ji's attention, You have managed to work up quite a storm . Hat's off to you. You are a great mother. You have managed to get my Guru and a friend of mine working on your case full time. After a lot of introspection between us,here is the deal,

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I said this a while back,

by astroboy » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:39 am
Anusugu ji, look the 5th lord {intellect} in the 9th house of Higher education in a Planetary war with the Sun cannot be good for education. Medicine requires phenomenal and extraordinary intelligence and grasping power. Also, large amounts of retention of information is necessary. It also need accurate reproduction of information during Viva voce. Written exams are another pain - all these requirements come under the preview of Budha. You know his state. Nothing can be done about it.

The Antar dasha is now of Jupiter who is excessively strong in the 5th house. There is no question of quitting medicine at this stage. This Antar dasha is a good time to start all over again, take up all the subjects he has flunked, and finish these back logs and his medicine by 2014 July.

will he do his PG is another matter all together. Budha dasha will be on by then. Let us see if Guru grants him a M.B.B.S. I think if he gets through, he can attempt a P.G. in a subject he likes. Time will tell.

Bottom line is this, there is also a school of thought that Budha - Ravi in a war will be good in the end. Hope he completes his studies by 2014.

[chinni]

Hello All,

Sorry to intrude in this topic.

Can you please tell me about my son's education. His 5th lord is combusted in 8th with 7th lord sun.He is studying well at the moment. But saturn dasha is going on with sade saath shani . In three years time he has to go to University. How will be his education in saturn mahadasha.My son is also aq lagna ,but 11th lord in 11th house aspecting 5th house and 7th house.

His details
17th Sep 1996
time 17.44 hrs
place Vijayawada,Andhra Pradesh,India.

regards
Chinni.

[astroboy]

I will give many success story (with birth details) combination with saturn participating in nipuna yoga, planetary war, combustion, kendraadhipati yoga etc and all learned astrologer can find themselves that such things are not working in many chart.

Then explain to me dear Prspumji - why it it taking this boy 7 years to finish a 4 year course ?and please enlighten us as to what works and does not work - also does astrology work at all ?

[anusugu123]

Anusugu ji, You have My Guru's P.S.Rao ji's attention, You have managed to work up quite a storm . Hat's off to you. You are a great mother. You have managed to get my Guru and a friend of mine working on your case full time. After a lot of introspection between us,here is the deal,

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T.C. Graha Yuddha.jpg

I said this a while back,

by astroboy » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:39 am
Anusugu ji, look the 5th lord {intellect} in the 9th house of Higher education in a Planetary war with the Sun cannot be good for education. Medicine requires phenomenal and extraordinary intelligence and grasping power. Also, large amounts of retention of information is necessary. It also need accurate reproduction of information during Viva voce. Written exams are another pain - all these requirements come under the preview of Budha. You know his state. Nothing can be done about it.

The Antar dasha is now of Jupiter who is excessively strong in the 5th house. There is no question of quitting medicine at this stage. This Antar dasha is a good time to start all over again, take up all the subjects he has flunked, and finish these back logs and his medicine by 2014 July.

will he do his PG is another matter all together. Budha dasha will be on by then. Let us see if Guru grants him a M.B.B.S. I think if he gets through, he can attempt a P.G. in a subject he likes. Time will tell.

Bottom line is this, there is also a school of thought that Budha - Ravi in a war will be good in the end. Hope he completes his studies by 2014.

Thank you very much all of you and my special thanks to Guruji P.S.Rao ji for looking at the horoscope.
I did not mean to create a storm but I am just worried a lot about his future and when Srimali ji said he will quit medicine I was thinking in my mind what he will do in his life? If he quits now he cannot even transfer the credits to any college here because he studied for 3 and 1/2 years in India. I was concerned about his future.
Another point to note is everyone else including all of you thought he will complete medicine and will be a successful doctor. If everything goes well and if he does not fail anywhere going forward, he should be completing Medicine by Mid-2013 and then complete medical internship by Mid-2014. Regarding his doing PG, he will come back to USA after MBBS and hopefully clear USMLE and enter Residency which will be his PG.
I hope positive vibes and predictions will prevail and he will be a successful doctor. Also everyone including Srimali said he will have a good career though he will have challenges in education.

[astroboy]

Yes Anusugu ji, dont worry , He will be a doctor. When he does donate the 1300 USD you have saved from that hungry leach Srimali and donate that money to the world wild life fund towards saving the rain forests. Now let me indulge in a little bit of friendly sparring with my good friend Prspum ji.

[astroboy]

one at a time Prspum ji, one at a time. First lets tackle this case - dob- 5th jan 1988, tob 10.21 am and pob Patna. what according to you is the issue here ? why 7 years for a 4 year course ?

[astroboy]

by prspum » Sun May 13, 2012 7:29 pm
Take example of electrical engineer from delhi college of engineering his Mer is within 2 degrees with sun in 9th house (aries) neecha shani is also there but it is not harming nipuna yoga at all. birth details are 18-04-1971 ; 16.05 hrs, delhi

He might have struggled to finish his education, or might not have got his choice of branch due to a poor score. I will never know. Moreover, many people pass out of reputed institutions without learning anything. At the same time. Thomas Alva Edison did not have a PHD from MIT. But having said that, its a good horoscope.

[astroboy]

by prspum » Sun May 13, 2012 7:20 pm

MY brother in law is graduate in computer engineering from MNIT Allahabad, Phd from japan. he is scientist of international repute. person is of cancer lagna and his mercury is in 9th house with sun within orb of 2 degrees and exalted venus is also there. satuurn is in 5th house but he did his study in couwo ntry and outside also. so in his case shani in 5th did not do any harm, debiliated mercury almost fully combusted did not created any problem. As astrologer we need to find answer to such issues and should not try to justify something by quoting one or two principles of astrology.

Good for your brother in law. Where do you think Budha got the strength Prspum ji? Or do you want to discount neecha Bhanga too? Birth details would be nice.

[astroboy]

Let me pitch one by you. I will provide you with known data - lest I be accused of playing the fool with the facts,

Armstrong, Neil
Gender: - M
born on - 5 August 1930 at 00:31 (= 12:31 AM )
Place - Washington OH, USA, 40n34, 84w12
Timezone - EST h5w (is standard time)
Data source - BC/BR in hand
Rodden Rating AA

This horoscope belongs to Neil Armstrong. He began studying aerospace engineering at Purdue University, where he was a member of Phi Delta Theta and Kappa Kappa Psi. He was only the second person in his family to attend college, and was also accepted to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), but the only engineer he knew (who had attended MIT) dissuaded him from attending, telling Armstrong that it was not necessary to go all the way to Cambridge, Massachusetts, for a good education. His college tuition was paid for under the Holloway Plan – successful applicants committed to two years of study, followed by three years of service in the United States Navy, then completion of the final two years of the degree. At Purdue, he earned average marks in his subjects, with a GPA that rose and fell over the eight semesters. He was awarded a Bachelor of Science degree in aeronautical engineering from Purdue University in 1955, and, from the University of Southern California in 1970, a Master of Science degree in aerospace engineering.

Take you time and analyse this horoscope. Figure out how a man like this, reached the Moon. You dont have to give me your analysis because even I am stumped by this horoscope and I have no answers. You can use all the D charts you want, But it will leave you speechless.

Its not only you that has questions. I do too. I find my formulas and use it when convenient. You are free to use what works for you.

[astroboy]

Talking of twins, I have a chart of twins where the D60 is in the same Rashi. . Some time I wonder what we are doing with this dangerious and irresistible pastime.

Then I think of the D 150 chart and convince myself that there are higher divisions and they can explain everything. . My whole life time is spent in learning or, as per my parents put it ""fooling myself""

[astroboy]

When I just started learning astrology, I had formed an impression in my mind that Engineers, doctors, Scientists, Millionaires and billionaires, stars, and politicians are excempt from any misery, calamity, and troubles that are indicated in a chart. How wrong I was.

This is a horoscope of a computer network engineer who worked for fidelity investments in Boston. on the 17th of April 2002, he pulled out a gun and Shot his wife point blank, then shot his three daughters, and then did the glorious act of pulling the trigger on himself. Cause was attributed to a stressful married life.

Here is the data - 15 August 1964 at 00:14 ( 12:14 AM ) / Boston MA, USA, 42N21, 71W03 / EDT h4w ( daylight saving time) - Lagna is Taurus @ 15 Deg 47

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Dear Astroboy,

Pl understand---------
a) when the adipathya papa graha VAKRI---------------Papa phala
b) when the adipathya shubha graha vakri--------------Shubha phala
c) Adipathya shubha graha in neecha and vakri----------Shubha phala
d) adipathya shubha grahas in 1-4-7-10-5-9 and vakri----Yoga.

Shubha and ashubha adipathya to grahas is as per Lagna
Therefore for Kumba lagna , Guru is ashubha graha. Being ashubha graha to this lagna and becomes Vakri, then papa phala only.

P.S.rao

[astroboy]

Thank you sir. I get the point.

[anusugu123]

Dear Astroboy,

Pl understand---------
a) when the adipathya papa graha VAKRI---------------Papa phala
b) when the adipathya shubha graha vakri--------------Shubha phala
c) Adipathya shubha graha in neecha and vakri----------Shubha phala
d) adipathya shubha grahas in 1-4-7-10-5-9 and vakri----Yoga.

Shubha and ashubha adipathya to grahas is as per Lagna
Therefore for Kumba lagna , Guru is ashubha graha. Being ashubha graha to this lagna and becomes Vakri, then papa phala only.

P.S.rao

Rao Ji, please shed some light on remedies for the problems my son is having in his horoscope.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Whether the boy will complete his education ?

Vidya sthana--------- Panchama sthana,
Vidya Karaka---------Budha,
Poorna Vidyakaraka-------------Guru,
Saadaran Buddhi Karaka---------Budha,
Poorna vipareetha jnana karaka----Guru,
9th bava-------------higher studies
Yoga karaka grahas for Kumba Lagna -----Budha and Shukra

panchamadipathi Budha is dagda in bhagya sthana.
This Budha is in Guru nakshatra, Guru is vakra in panchama sthana
Therefore there will be break in education.

Since vyayadipathi Shani aspects Guru in panchama sthana, the boy should do more hard work in his studies. Meaning:- more of hard work and less phala. If this boy starts teaching any one , they will pass the exam but not this boy.

Chandra is brain karaka, memory karaka.
Since Shani aspects Chandra and lagna , the boy fails to remember in the exam what he studied.

Chandra being the roga sthanadipathi ( sickness ) sits in lagna. Lagna is shareera,
Chandra is karaka for sheetha, cold , kapha, vaatha
Shani is karaka for vaatha roga (sickness)
Since this Shani aspects Chandra and lagna , the boy may suffer from breathing problem and hence it will give lot of problems to the boy in his studies.

Since Guru is in poorvapunya sthana, education will come through poorva janmas sukrutha.

But Shani shanthi, Guru shanthi and Shukra shanthi is essential here.

Budha is in 5th placed Guru nakshatra,
Guru aspects both lagna and Budha
the boy will have the yoga to appear for competitive exam.

Since 5th lord and Vidya karak budha is dagda,
Chandra and Guru are aspected by Shani,
it may bring loss of memory and hence there will be break in education.

Shukra with Shani,
Budha is dagda,
Budhas nakshatradipathi Guru is aspected by Shani,
Shani aspects panchama sthana, only Shani can rescue this boy.
If Shani gives the Vara, the boy will get vidya. Otherwise no.

Pl understand, if any graha is dagda , its karakatwa will not go. But its lordship/sthana become balaheena . In this case panchama sthana. Since Budha is dagda it fails to give poorna phala to vidya sthana/ panchama sthana.

To be continued-------

[anusugu123]

Rao Ji, Thank you so much for looking at my sons horoscope.Please continue the topic and please let me know the remedies. I am very much worried about my son. Again he has exams in July. This time he needs to pass. Please let me know the remedies that I need to follow.

Also Rao Ji, I would like to understand are there any +ve points in his horoscope which will protect him?
Most of the people I have shown told me that his career will be good. If there is no higher education how there will be good career? Please throw some light on that aspect also. But first education. Some how he should be protected and I want to do all the remedies before his July exams.


You wrote - Shani shanthi, Guru shanthi and Shukra shanthi is essential.
What kind of a pooja i need to do please explain. Right now I have priest doing dakshina moorty 1 lakh
Japa. Should I ask him to do japa for those 3 grahas? And homa for them? Please let me know.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

There is no need to worry about his jataka . But he requires constant touch by u in his studies. He wont open his mouth unless u ask, convince and behind him.

Dear madam , it is better u consult ur priest ( Kutumba priest ) for parihar as i usually dont say it .

Since ur main question about parihar, i feel Shani shanthi along with Kuladevatha pooja is required for this jataka. ( go to ur Kuladevatha temple and check-up vishesh pooja in that temple ) There is no hurry, u can do it later when u have the time.

Carry on what parihar u r doing at present.

Why Kuladevatha pooja ?

The badakadipathi is Shukra for this lagna and is in Ketu nakshatra. Ketu in 6th house
This Shukra is with lagnadipathi Shani .

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

The boy is very,very intelligent but why is it boy dont listen to his mother ?

Maathra sthana --------Vrishabha rashi, adipathi Shukra,
Mathra Karaka ---------Chandra--the lord of shatru shana -the 6th house

Mathra sthanadipathi ( 4th lord-Shukra )is mitra to lagnadipathi Shani,
they r together in this jataka.
But Shukra is badakadipathi also to Kumba lagna.
There is preethi vishwas between mother and son .
Since Shani is lagnadipathi, son hesitate to express his preethi ,vishwas in front of mother.

Mathra Karaka Chandra and Lagnadipathi are against each other.
6th lord Chandra in lagna aspected by Shani.
with this, some times son feel that mother is his main shatru even though he loves his mother internally.
So, son sometimes wont listen the advise of his mother as shatru sthanadipathi Chandra is in lagna.

This shows mother is worried about her son and his progress but both cannot express openly each other.

This jataka is very,very intelligent because,
Manokaraka Chandra in Vayu tatwa rashi,
Buddhi karaka Budha in Vayu tatwa rashi,
Vishesh jnana karaka Guru is also in Vayu tatwa rashi
this intelligence wont come to use as Chandra and Guru is aspected by Shani, Budha is dagda .
Budha -Aditya yoga wont be fruitful because Budha is dagda
no graha in kendra from Chandra or to the lagna



Pl note -- the boy may have little problem with regard to kidney stone or hydrocle or hurnia or any inflamation in kidney.Take care.


Next---------what Shani will do to this jataka ?

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Shani aspects Guru------------------------------------------------------Rudra shraap-Brahmajnani shraap,
Bhadakadipathi-Chatrudadipathi Shukra with Shani-----------------Kula devatha Shraap,

Shani aspects mathra karaka Chandra and
mathrasthanadipathi is in 8th from mathra sthana,
mathrasthanadipathi is with Shani,
boys mother also have Shani dosha in her jataka.

Boy is running Shani dasha--Guru bhukthi,
Shani veda to Guru,
Shani with bhadakadipathi,
Shani aspected by marakadipathi Guru,
in navamsha Shani in shatru rashi,
in navamsha Guru is with aghaath karaka Ketu,
So this period is not favourable.

Since Guru and Shukra is naisargika shubha graha,
the jataka will overcome all the difficulties
if he does the
Shani-Guru-Shukra shanthi

With regard to Graha Yuddha, there are more than one school of thoughts. As far as i learnt, Kuja is a Yuddha graha and his association is required to say graha yuddha that too both grahas should be in same pada. In this jataka Kuja is not in graha yudda or in same pada with budha , hence graha yuddha is not there in this jataka.

Dear madam, no doubt shani in yoga karaka nakshatra and also mitra and along with yoga karaka graha --Shukra. But one thing u must understand , Shani in Badakadipathi nakshatra. Badaka sthana and badakadipathi have its own prabhva in jyothish shastra. Hence, even if Shani gives the phala he will make the native suffer much and at last he will give the shubha phala. I hope u understood.


For ur academic interest, Shanthi means-----
after doing the required japa , the homa will be performed to the perticular graha.

Japa sankya for Shani----23000,
Japa sankya for Guru-----19000,
Japa sankya for Shukra---16000.

When the dash or graha is ashubha, the required number of japa for the perticular graha will be done first,
after doing japa, homa is performed,
after homa annadhana is given,
for every graha ,dhaana is very very important.

There is no need to worry , every priest knows this .

-----------------OR------------------------------

Simplest way is --- ask ur priest to do the Navagraha Shanthi ( all graha ) along with vishesh Shanthi to Shani graha. It should cost not be more than Rs 20000/-

Karma karaka Shani Bagwan is the only one who can release this jataka from Karma Vipaka ( problem)
I pray Lord Shani Dev to bless this boy a good bhavishya.

In Sahadeva Nadi , it is said that-----

Guru will bring shubha phala wherever he sees, that bava will get vriddhi
Shani will bring vriddhi whichever the bava he sits, that bava will improve
But his drishti to any bava will bring fear and distruction ( naasha )

[anusugu123]

Thank you, Rao Ji for the detailed explanation. I really appreciate your help on this. Thanks a lot.
I called poojari in my kuldevatha place and asked him to do ekadasha rudram for Siva.
I am going to get Navagraha shanti ASAP.

Once again thanks a lot.

[Kunal]

To address the original question,
I was also confused after watching the same thing on TV by the same man.I just couldn't digest that!
So I googled,googled and googled for several days in rage...finally to trip across something very important...and it was this that yes its true!! BUT its incomplete!!

I remembered reading that the complete dictum is (though I dont think I found any reference to any classic)
Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva. Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani

You see,how eating up the words at the start changes the whole meaning!! I don't know why anyone would do that..maybe to sell himself and his knowledge but thats really bad!! Anyway,I was relieved on having come across the real dictum.I read up on it and they explained the reason behind it.

As for the papkartari yoga ,yeah I believe that is valid.

I gogoled again specifically to for this thread and here is one of the result

http://vjgoel.[NO EXTERNAL LINKS PLEASE].in/2010/08/sthan ... riddi.html

Just google out the dictum above and you should get results that you can read up.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

I remembered reading that the complete dictum is (though I dont think I found any reference to any classic)
Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva. Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani


http://vjgoel.[NO EXTERNAL LINKS PLEASE].in/2010/08/sthan ... riddi.html

Just google out the dictum above and you should get results that you can read up.

[/quote]


Dear Sir,

Thanx for ur effort


P.S.Rao

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Dear Madam,

For ur acdemeic interest and also with regards to ur sons jataka, kindly go through the following dictum mentioned in Laghu Parashari.

!) Ravi, Kuja, Shani being the lord of 1-4-7-10 (kendradipathi)

a) sits in 1-4-7-10-5-9---------------Shubha.
If it is in uchha, or swa rashi----------Shubha.
If it is in papa rashi ( Mesha, vrischika, simha, makara, kumba )--------Shubha.
If it is in Shubha rashi--------------Papa phala.

b) sits in 3-6-8-11-12th rashi----------------Avayoga.

2) Ravi, Kuja, Shani being the lord of 3-6-8-11-12

sits in 1-4-7-10--------------------alpa shubha
sits in 5-9--------------------------poorna shubha
Uchha, swa rashi------------------very bad

sits in 3-6-8-11-12----------------avayoga

3) Shani the 1st and 12th lord ( Kumba lagna ) sits in 12th-------avayoga.


Therefore for Kumba Lagna , the Shani is lagnadipathi and also vyayadipathi

sits in 1-4-7-10------------------alpa shubha
sits in 5-9------------------------poorna shubha
sits in 3-6-8-11-12--------------avayoga.

Therefore the word ----" Lagnadipathi is Athyantha Shubha graha among navagrahas or Lagnadipathi never gives bad phala " is nullified in the above dictum

Kindly dont feel dejected , ur son is having bright future. U will see this once u do the parihar told in this thread earlier. This is my guarantee and ur son will successfully complete his education.

May lord Sri Rajarajeshwari bless u and ur family

Regards

P.S.Rao

[Kunal]

Dear Sir,

Thanx for ur effort


P.S.Rao

My pleasure sir.Thats what we all are here for ,to share and enhance our knowledge of the subject.

Dear Madam,

For ur acdemeic interest and also with regards to ur sons jataka, kindly go through the following dictum mentioned in Laghu Parashari.


2) Ravi, Kuja, Shani being the lord of 3-6-8-11-12

sits in 1-4-7-10--------------------alpa shubha
sits in 5-9--------------------------poorna shubha
Uchha, swa rashi------------------very bad

sits in 3-6-8-11-12----------------avayoga
Regards

P.S.Rao

Sir,this second point of the dictum caught my attention and I have a question regarding the same.
As per the above (quote) , if Saturn being lord of 3 is posited in his own sign then it is very bad and if in the 3 then it is an avayoga.
What if Retrograde Saturn as lord of 2 and 3 placed in Capricorn (own sign) in 2 (own house) ?!
What actually confuses me is that Saturn being a slow planet would be placed so in many charts over a certain period of time so does that mean that that generation has a malefic Saturn?

I know its not usually right to generalize in astrology and every chart holds something unique but this got me curious.And I've a couple of charts with this placement I mentioned.If you would offer your insight then I'll gladly post the details.

Thank you.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Dear Sir,

Sir,this second point of the dictum caught my attention and I have a question regarding the same.
As per the above (quote) , if Saturn being lord of 3 is posited in his own sign then it is very bad and if in the 3 then it is an avayoga.

Pl understand I have explained the rulings only for Kumba lagna for naisargik ashubha graha.
I have not explained what if Shani is the lord of 2nd and 3rd. U will come to know as the thread goes and when i explain for other lagnas.
He will give the shubha phala only if he is the lord of 3rd and 4th sits in 4th his own rashi( Vrischika lagna )

What actually confuses me is that Saturn being a slow planet would be placed so in many charts over a certain period of time so does that mean that that generation has a malefic Saturn?

Shani is considered as no 1 malefic among grahas irrespective of his placements . He will be good only if he is aspected by powereful Guru or in Yoga karaka nakshatra in shubha sthana.. I mean , he gives the same amount of malefics even if he is in good in jataka.( For eg:- If he provides the money, he will give the sickness at the same time. The jataka is unhappy even if he has lot of money )The meaning of this planet is such---------Kashta or pain or sufferings. The charactor of this graha is such, if u ask Shani, he will give one but simultaneously take another from u . Hope u understand.

Also pl understand , on one single graha we cannot analyse the entire jataka. All 9 planets are required to analyse the shubha or ashubha phala of the jataka. That is why Shubha and Ashubha bava/graha for each lagna is derived only to assess the phala-phala of the jataka.

What if Retrograde Saturn as lord of 2 and 3 placed in Capricorn (own sign) in 2 (own house) ?!

Shani being the Dhana sthanadipathi sits in dhana sthana is very good. Since he is vakra , the native wiill have a bad name in the society even he is a millioner with regard to money. Since 2nd house is the education sthana, Shani here will give trouble/delay to education of the native, because Shani is manda karaka.

Regarding this , i will explain once the Kendradipathya of Shubha graha is over.