Astrology & General Discussion on Birth Charts

[sinecurve]

I am glad you brought up this story. Ok If I believe in Shani mahatmya, then it creates a huge gap in my understanding of what would ever make Lord SA happy. King Vikramaditya was an exceptional king who cared for his people like his children. He respected sages , did a lot of yagyas for the benefit of society in general, and everything possible at his end.

What did he do wrong that he had to go through such a tough Sade-Sati. Lord SA crippled him, made him serve as a servant and what not...why ? Theres not even a single mention of his past karma...only point mentioned is that he didnt think that lord SA is paramount of all planets, specially being son of other planet, which is suppose to be source of life.

True remedies of SA are donations, helping the needy, feeding the strays and refraining from ego and arrogance. Right ? Now as text mention, our heroic King of Ujjain was already blessed with all those qualities, and better...then why such an excruciating and hideous sade-sati for him.

Doesnt that leaves us bewildered, that of whatever path we follow...if SA is badly placed in chart then we will have to suffer. Period !

Dear sinecurve,

The king did have all the qualities you mentioned but one , "refraining from ego and arrogance". After becoming charkravarty samrat , he became very proud of his might , out of which he dared to challenge the justice of Shanidev, because just studying the vedas and attending to sabhas of learned ones had not brought the true wisdom to him. His true potential got covered , and hence Shani dev decided to bless him with that one quality , only after which he indeed became the great king that we all know him as. This is the quality of humbleness.

He was like a shining piece of metal , very hard to break , but was not shining as much as he could due to embedded impurities. So Shanidev had to melt him so the impurities could be separated and when the metal cooled again, it had a great shape and shining more than ever.

So you tell me , was he punished or was he blessed by Shani dev? This is the mahima of shani dev.

As I write this, my heart has filled with bhakti of lord Shani :
Jai jai jai Shani dev. Sachha nyaya sada tum karte , tumse log vyarth hi darte.

You write very well !

'Challenge' is stretching it a bit, but King did question the 'divine justice' which I am sure any intelligent and rational mind would, for he was the chakravarty Samrat, and he was that way for his qualities. He was always very humble to my knowledge just that his ignorance could not understand the 'extreme cruelty' of Lord SA , even for his own father, and thats why he said what he said.

Even in my dreams, I cant dare to question his supreme justice and I fully agree that the king was eventually blessed, tho it was slightly harsh. My point is that inspite of being religious, humble, righteous, philanthropist etc. to his best possible efforts, he still went through the pain. Tho you say that his humbleness only appeared after Wohlwill process, which I was not aware before.

Thanks for replying !

[deeps]

Here is another chart-

leo lagna

saturn in 2nd house.

Moon in 1st house

Guru in 10th house

Sun, Mercury and mars, Ketu in 12th house

Venus in 11th house.

Death- jul'06- Rahu/mercury/Venus

[Humannature]

What did he do wrong that he had to go through such a tough Sade-Sati. Lord SA crippled him, made him serve as a servant and what not...why ? Theres not even a single mention of his past karma...only point mentioned is that he didnt think that lord SA is paramount of all planets, specially being son of other planet, which is suppose to be source of life.

True remedies of SA are donations, helping the needy, feeding the strays and refraining from ego and arrogance. Right ? Now as text mention, our heroic King of Ujjain was already blessed with all those qualities, and better...then why such an excruciating and hideous sade-sati for him.

This reminded me of the story of Great king Vikarmaditya, who raised similar doubts over divine justice , as he felt that innocent were getting punished , and culprits were prospering. The royal astrologer great Varahmihirji begged him not doubt , but could not convince the king. Well, a few years later , the king had more faith in divine justice than anyone else in the kingdom, and wanted his praja to worship all the planets, specially Shani dev , who is the head of divine justice deptt.

So , how did this change come about in the king in those few years ...........

I will leave this with only a clue , the number of those few years was 7 and a half

This is a little dramatic, isn't it?
Like it was staged or something.
Most of the human beings curse God on a daily basis and most of them do not know about astrology or planets and their impact on us. And the ones that do know also have their doubts occasionally. Most people do not know their birth time or birth date so cannot get their chart or what dasha they are running or when they are going to have their sade sati.
Such people when they undergo severe troubles in life they will not even know why it is happening to them and will probably question divine justice more than ever and why they were being punished inspite of being good and they might even turn to bad since being good fetched them nothing but trouble.
So Shani dev giving a hard time to even the noblest of people just because they do not trust him does not seem realistic.

[deeps]

leo lagna

saturn in 2nd house.

Moon in 1st house

Guru in 10th house

Sun, Mercury and mars, Ketu in 12th house

Venus in 11th house.

Death- jul'06- Rahu/mercury/Venus

This is a chart of a man, who never saw the happiness in his life. Only got involved in disputes, abusive languages, jails, property dispute and got cheated by his well settled brothers who did not give any share in their parents's property.

Look how Moon and Lagnesh are in papakatari.

Lagnesh Lord in 12th house afflicted by deb. Mars in 12th house and afflicted by nodes. Mars is the karaka for borthers and properties.

Only his childhood was full of happiness. Why? See the dasha pattern. He got full Venus periods for 20 years.

[deeps]

Here, in this chart, one question arises though- Venus is well placed in the 11th house of elder siblings. Yet why his elder brothers did not help him out financially.

I earlier wrote that his venus dasha was the best. He did have the best times with them in this dasha. But things turned for worse after his marriage to abusive but beautiful wife. This negative behaviour strained the relations with his elder siblings. They did not show any respect to their elders. Everyone knew that the native was not at fault but he never cared to correct the negative behaviour of his wife.

When the native suffered heart attack, prior to many years before accidental death, it was their elders siblings who came forward to help them but then again the wife did not give them much appreciation and instead continued to behave negatively.

The financial situation turned worse for him and he suffered bouts of depressions at times. In the month of Jul'06 as he returning back to him home in late mid-night, his 2 wheeler got skidded due to heavy rains and he came under the innocent wheels of a truck.

The entire family was in dire and very bad financial situation. His wife realized her folly and now uses the best brands of butter to butter his siblings. However, they also bettered their situations due to his 2 industrious children.

[haricharan]

This is a little dramatic, isn't it?
Like it was staged or something.
Most of the human beings curse God on a daily basis and most of them do not know about astrology or planets and their impact on us. And the ones that do know also have their doubts occasionally. Most people do not know their birth time or birth date so cannot get their chart or what dasha they are running or when they are going to have their sade sati.
Such people when they undergo severe troubles in life they will not even know why it is happening to them and will probably question divine justice more than ever and why they were being punished inspite of being good and they might even turn to bad since being good fetched them nothing but trouble.
So Shani dev giving a hard time to even the noblest of people just because they do not trust him does not seem realistic.

Indeed that is not the case. The critisism of Shani dev was more of an indication of the approaching sade sati. The indication precede the events , all the time in our lives. But lets focus on the more important side of the story, which is that the king became a great devotee of Shanidev, it was not out of fear , it was out of the understanding that the experiences of 7.5 years brought to him.

And this story did not happen only to Vikram. Its happening now in lives of many , and shall continue to happen. We are mere mortals, when we feel pain, we cry , we get angry with god also. Thats fine. Sometimes we get hit by an object , and its no ones fault , we still get angry , and we shout at that object , and hit it back. Is that not stupid, but thats ok, because that "humannature" , Mr. humannature

[sinecurve]

This is a little dramatic, isn't it?
Like it was staged or something.

'Babumoshai, zindagi aur maut uparwale ke haath hai jahanpanah. Usse na toh aap badal sakte hain na main. Hum sab toh rangmanch ki kathputhliyan hain jinki dor uparwale ki ungliyon main bandhi hain. Kab, kaun, kaise uthega yeh koi nahi bata sakta hai. Ha, ha, ha.'

Most of the human beings curse God on a daily basis and most of them do not know about astrology or planets and their impact on us. And the ones that do know also have their doubts occasionally. Most people do not know their birth time or birth date so cannot get their chart or what dasha they are running or when they are going to have their sade sati.
Such people when they undergo severe troubles in life they will not even know why it is happening to them and will probably question divine justice more than ever and why they were being punished inspite of being good and they might even turn to bad since being good fetched them nothing but trouble.
So Shani dev giving a hard time to even the noblest of people just because they do not trust him does not seem realistic.

Think it the other way, isnt it better they dont know of what got them. Atleast they will not spend rest of their life in fear of the 'unknown'. Dont you see unending stories from natives who went through RA MD, they still leap off even with the slightest mention of RA. Want to have some fun, just spell R-A-H-U in their ear while they are dozed off...and enjoy the folk dance for next 15 mins. Now, thats just mean, OK !!

[sinecurve]

Indeed that is not the case. The critisism of Shani dev was more of an indication of the approaching sade sati. The indication precede the events , all the time in our lives. But lets focus on the more important side of the story, which is that the king became a great devotee of Shanidev, it was not out of fear , it was out of the understanding that the experiences of 7.5 years brought to him.

And this story did not happen only to Vikram. Its happening now in lives of many , and shall continue to happen. We are mere mortals, when we feel pain, we cry , we get angry with god also. Thats fine. Sometimes we get hit by an object , and its no ones fault , we still get angry , and we shout at that object , and hit it back. Is that not stupid, but thats ok, because that "humannature" , Mr. humannature

OK ..Lets get realistic for a sec here. By the time we are done with Sade-sati or Astham Shani or Shani Dasha, "FEAR" gets really deep-rooted within us, implanted gradually and painfully in our sub-cautious over last many years, and mostly against our wishes. Its NOT AN OPTION SIR, it never was ! If it was so much of understanding and blessing, would you opt to go for another Sade -sati if given a choice ? It will refine you more, and your will become better and better ...right ? Would you ?

Let me tell you 'bout this gal named 'Karma' . Texts say she represents past life, invisible but you could picture her as Lara Croft, equipped with Nail-Guns and unending supply of ammunition. She feeds on your confidence and crafted to take clean shots at your cojones, multiple at times, even when you wearing an armor of sandalwood. Rest I leave on to your imagination of how generous she was with you, during your karma pay-back time.

One of the professor at my college always had this one-liner, whenever he couldnt answer our questions he would say ' Shakal aachi nahin ho to kam se kam bateen achi karni chaheye' . SO By the time you get done with your Karma 'Pay Back' time, all you are is 'pulp of meat' still wondering of what next ? May be you lost your family, or money or reputation or career or ...may be everything ! You dont have an option other than being HUMBLE and Polite, and with fear gripping you to the core, you shudder before any step you take in life, FOR YOU STILL WONDER OF WHY YOU WERE PUNISHED LAST TIME ...

[Princess of solitude]

Think it the other way, isnt it better they dont know of what got them. Atleast they will not spend rest of their life in fear of the 'unknown'. Dont you see unending stories from natives who went through RA MD, they still leap off even with the slightest mention of RA. Want to have some fun, just spell R-A-H-U in their ear while they are dozed off...and enjoy the folk dance for next 15 mins. Now, thats just mean, OK !!

Hahahahaha...well said sinecurveji....Now it will happen with me all the time whenever i will be in my R-A-H-U AD...

i just finished my rahu AD....jupiter AD has started ... i still think of my rahu antardasha all the time...I am also vrey afraid of next rahu dasha...2 weeks back, i went to a local astrologer to tell him that my rahu AD has finished,,,,What Next.And My astrologer just said that you look 20 years older during your rahu mahadasha...is it right that Rahu Can Do Such Thing Also in everybodys ADs/MDs? ???? Just Curious to noe

[deeps]

Rahu period can be a great period for instability in one's life-


The above discussions reminds me of a chart of a person that I met 2008. I don't remember his exact time of birth but I remember clearly the placement details of planets-

Meen lagna- Guru debilitated in 11th house.

Sun, Mercury, Venus in 11th house.

Rahu Moon in 10th house.

Saturn/ketu in 10th house.

Mars in 2nd house.

More analysis on this chart later on.

[deeps]

I forgot to add one thing in the previous post-

Rahu mahadasaha was running at that time.

[deeps]

2008 was also the year the bad time of my life. Everything that Rahu gave like fame, popularity, academic distinctions, best job, etc were snatched away all of a sudden in that same year. It was the time I met with a local astrologer in some building. We became an immediate friends after he told me, just looking at my face, I was under Rahu mahadasha. He just bowled me over without looking at my chart. later on I came to know he was a tantrik.

He got my details and made my chart and told me he would call me another day. I waited for his call and he explained me all the problems and that they were temporary. That was the time I took some serious interest in astrology to understand myself better.

I often visited him to read charts. One day, a medium height, thin person entered our cabin and started narrating his problems. We casted his chart and saw He was ruuning Rahu mahadasha too.

Wow! I thought to myself. Another man with rahu period! What a coincidence. Since we were on the same boat, we quickly became friends for a short time. We would often met.

Now, looking at the placement of planets in the chart, as given above, this person comes from an influential family, had left his parents and lives with his wife and a son at his wife's parents house.

However, though we were friends, i never liked him from inside, giving his hard smoking habit, his constant bragging, and at times, I nearly choked myself to death due to second hand smoke.

[deeps]

One correction- Saturn and Ketu in 4th house and not in 10th house as i wrote earlier.

[deeps]

This person was suffering or undergoing near midlife crisis as was jobless. Since I had not much astrological knolwedge at that time, I attributed his job problems to his debilitated Guru in 11th house.

However, that was not the case so. He clearly explained me how he enjoyed very much respect, earn wealth in a hotel industry in Mars period and the beginning of Rahu period.

Problem must be somewhere else, I thought. Maybe, Rahu!! I did more research on Rahu and came to know that Rahu period or transits can bring about great havoc, mental instability, suddeness, instability in work, etc. Morever these problems happen without any reasons at all.

By suddeness, I mean sudden change in situations like someone told you about a very good offer, you went crazy, telling everyone and then after sometime, the offer does not come.

There is a very good example of how Rahu works on subsconcious mind. A person takes a Bilseri bottle to his bedsie and keep it under it and goes to sleep. Around midnight, he woke up to a great thirst. However, he had forgotten where he had kept the bottle and kept searching around frantically in his room. After one hour search, he suddenly remembers where he kept it.

By this above example, I mean to say that how Rahu binds a person temporary and gives him unnecessary worries.

[deeps]

Now, I am narrating here, what madness he went through in the year. Since his main concern was job. We predicted him job many times based on the dashas and he indeed got many opportunities, but only to went up in a smoke. Like in one instance, he got a good job in a good company. He was very happy and escatic and bragged a lot in front of us. However, on the day of his joining, he was told by a HR that the former employee had again rejoined and that there was no vacancy for him now.

Then in another case, he joined some other company and immediately was sent to Goa. It was a relief for us, as we worked hard on his case but we knew something would went wrong and it happened. He returned back to the hometown and it came to our knowledge, he had ran away from the job. It was some law issue.

Then he again job somewhere in weatern region, only to leave that job again within few days as he could not remain there for long.

Tired up of franatic search, he decided to launch his own hotel. Mad big plans and even arranged for a big launch of his hotels. Even created Logo, bought so many pamphlets of furniture, etc. However, this plan too went up in smoke. The reason cited was not much money to finance.!!!

To cut the story short, the native did not know what he was doing at all. He would spend more time outside and make contacts but always returned empty handed. Even his in laws were becomign fed up of him.

Things is i just showed how Rahu can create instability in every walk of life. I don't know much about him after that as we never met again.

[basab14]

Haricharan ji,

I have completed the 7.5 years sade-sathi 3 years back. I don't think I have learned the 'great lesson' that it was supposed to teach me. I am the same person I was before sade-sathi came in my life. Same I can say about other people I know very well, who have completed their sade-sathi. So there is a huge difference between stories and reality.

Indeed that is not the case. The critisism of Shani dev was more of an indication of the approaching sade sati. The indication precede the events , all the time in our lives. But lets focus on the more important side of the story, which is that the king became a great devotee of Shanidev, it was not out of fear , it was out of the understanding that the experiences of 7.5 years brought to him.

And this story did not happen only to Vikram. Its happening now in lives of many , and shall continue to happen.

[basab14]

SO By the time you get done with your Karma 'Pay Back' time, all you are is 'pulp of meat' still wondering of what next ? May be you lost your family, or money or reputation or career or ...may be everything ! You dont have an option other than being HUMBLE and Polite, and with fear gripping you to the core, you shudder before any step you take in life, FOR YOU STILL WONDER OF WHY YOU WERE PUNISHED LAST TIME ...

I just loved these lines of yours--simply too good!! Truth always appeals to people, and this is the truth!

[Humannature]

Since his main concern was job. We predicted him job many times based on the dashas and he indeed got many opportunities, but only to went up in a smoke.

Does this happen in whatever area of life the person undergoing Rahu MD or AD is focussing on?
Since this person's main concern was job, this career got hit?

[basab14]

Deeps,

In the chart, where you have talked about Rahu period, Rahu is very weak in Saggitarius, and it is with 6th lord Moon. It had to be bad. Take up a case of a person having a good Rahu placement and see if it affected the person's career. But I agree with you Rahu periods are never easy for anyone generally.

[deeps]

Does this happen in whatever area of life the person undergoing Rahu MD or AD is focussing on?
Since this person's main concern was job, this career got hit?

Hi Humannature,

To better answer your queries, first research on rahu planet and what this planet is capable of doing. In short, Rahu is an interloper, a fraud, and a poseur. Why? Recall a story how He changed his form and disguised himself as one Of God and drank the Amrita.

Rahu is a generally a malefic planet as during its period as it gives false hopes, flase attractions, high desires. Unless there is benefic aspect on rahu or Rahu well positied in upchaya houses, Rahu periods gives instability in every walk of life as all our past negative karmas come up in this life. At first, everything looks okay and good but later on that same things gives terrible unhappiness due to treachary.

[deeps]

To continue from the above, a very matured and logical reasoning is needed to see through the devious tricks of Rahu or as they say, experience is the best teacher.

It is generally observed that rahu periods are worst if its mahadasha comes in teen, or twenties or before 42 years of age. It is said that after 42 years, rahu calms down.

[deeps]

In the chart, where you have talked about Rahu period, Rahu is very weak in Saggitarius, and it is with 6th lord Moon. It had to be bad. Take up a case of a person having a good Rahu placement and see if it affected the person's career. But I agree with you Rahu periods are never easy for anyone generally.

Hi Yellow,

You are wrong here. Moon is 5th Lord.

[Humannature]

Hello deeps,
Thanks for the explanation.
I ask because generally whenever I push aside the bad and I try to concentrate on what I have and feel happy about the good I still have left in my life, those things start getting hit as well..and Rahu is malefic in my chart in 9th.
So I was wondering if somehow rahu's role is to make sure you are never happy or contended or if it's determined by Rahu's placement, association and aspects that determine what area of life will be hit.

In the above person's case he was under Rahu's influence and had big dreams for his career. Was this because Rahu had some influence on his career related houses?

I am going to start my Sat-Rahu in a couple of months

[deeps]

This is the point here.. why Rahu had to change His form? When Suras and Asuras worked hard equally, Amruta was given to Suras and Asuras were thrashed... so Rahu felt injustice and revolted..
Now, How will you understand this divine justice? Can you not call it a revolt against injustice, like what same God advised Arjuna during MBH, but in Rahu’s case it is opposite attitude?
(May be God thought Rahu is asura hence misuses amita whereas Suras like Chandra and Indra uses for good cause... But how Rahu was knowing whether himself was a sura or asura (in nature)?
Hence, hence revolted).

Hi Mahesh,

A very interesting point made by you here. However, as far as i know, Gods were against demons having the nectar. If they (demons) had succeeded in that, it would have been very difficult for Gods to stop them from creating nuisance.