Reckoning Children from Saptamsa

[VinayBondade]

Srikanth and other learned astrolgers active in this post,

I had this question what if the pakesha is in female sign but is aspected by exalted planet say jupiter. Do we consider aspect of other planets on pakesha or we only give importance to pakesha's position and his conjunction with other planets? I ask this qiestion as I couldn't see any information about aspects in analysing D7/saptamsa.

Ex:
D1
Asc in Aries
Sun, Mer, Mars, Moon in Taurus
Rahu in gemini
Venus in cancer
sat in libra
jup in scorpio
ket in sagittarius

D7
Asc in libra
mer, sat in scopio
moon, ket in sagittarius
venus in pisces
sun, mar in aries
rahu in gemini
Jupiter in cancer

Applying the D7 principles, the fifth house becomes Aquarius as ASC is in Libra which is odd sign hence counting clockwise, pakesha is Saturn placed in scorpio which is a female sign. saturn has 5th aspect from exalted jupiter from cancer. If we ignore jupiter aspect, we can say the first child will be female, but if we consider Jupiter's aspect the child will change to be a male. Do we have to consider Jupiter's aspect here?

Also in the D1 chart, 5th house is leo and 5th lord is in Taurus which is a female sign, but it receives jupiter's 7th aspect we can say that tendency is towards male. But again the question is should we consider both D1 and D7 for concluding or we should only stick to D7.

The above charts are of the mother and the mother is under Rahu mahadasha and Ketu antardasha and the baby is expected around feb 14 this year. Jupiter is in 12 house in transit.

If you think Father's horoscope detail are also required then here it is
Father -
DOB: 20 aug 1980
TOB: 8:05 AM
POB: Bijapur - Karnataka

Mother -
DOB: Jun 10 1983
TOB: 3:50 AM
PB: chandrapur - maharastra

This is a tough call for me if I consider Jupiter's aspect in D7, otherwise we can easily say that the first child will be a female. What do you people think?

Thanks,
Vinay

[VinayBondade]

Thank you Shrikanth,

I infer that we do not consider aspect of planets while reading D7 chart. Thank you for the analysis. Also could you please give your inputs for my post - http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... 22&t=13249

I request other leaned astrologers in this forum to give their inputs as well.

Thanks,
Vinay

[VinayBondade]

Dear Srikanth,

I think for the father's chart you have considered Bijapur which is not of Karnataka. The Bijapur of Karnataka is positioned at Longitude - 75E 42 and Latitude - 16N 50. I have checked this on Maps of India and other website which give latitude and longitude details of a place. With this correction you should be getting Aquarius Ascendant, Paka Gemini and pakesha Me placed in Cancer along with Rahu -
1. Due to presence of Rahu is there any matter to worry, as Rahu might cause miscarriages?
2. Also whenever I have found Me as the pakesha the answer for the gender of the child has been not straight forward. If Rahu is not causing ill efects here, the father's chart indicates a male child as cancer gives male and Rahu's conjuction also gives male.
3. The child indication from father's chart and mother's chart are conflicting here, earlier in this post you have mentioned that if such conflicts arise there might be a problem with the birth details. If so how do we rectify?

Please advice.

Thanks,
Vinay

[Zara]

Dear sir,
For people who aren't fortunate enough to have children of their own, can their saptamsa chart also be used to find out whether or not they will be blessed by possible stepchildren and/or adopted children? If so, can you please share the method?

[Zara]

Dear Shrikanth,
Thank you very much for explaining and, as always, for sharing your knowledge with us.
kind regards,

[astrohajare]

Very Good discussion but my request to all astrologers on forum please refrain yourself to predict daughter to indian people reason once they will know daughter at least 90% people will kill the baby in embrio.

[astrohajare]

[quote="GONECASE"]Dear Asttrohajare

Having access to knowledge of the potential future always has certain risks in any situation.

regards
GONECASE[/quote]
What I said that is called Risk Management

[astrohajare]

[quote="GONECASE"]"What I said that is called Risk Management"

risk management may not be hiding from information

regards
GONECASE[/quote]
If hiding information can save some innocent life that is good karma.That is approved in Bhagvat Gita.

[whitelily]

Dear Shrikanth,
In case the sign has dual lordship, do the rules, mentioned by you in the following thread, also apply here?
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... 0&start=25

[whitelily]

Thanks for explaining!

[kanishka]

Hi shrikantji,

Sorry To post different topic here.But expecting your reply very much.
Today My father just lost the job he was doing since OCT-2007.The very bad period we are facing since april-2000 is i think endless after this abrupt job loss.
The good thing happened is sudden financial help from a close relative for starting a business.Please guide the period in which my father get settled financially.
he is planning to start a Grocery OR Rice related business.

Please advice.

DOB - 17.09.1957
Time - 07.10 am
Place - gondia(m.s.)
latt - 21N23 long - 80E14

Regards

[tania]

Dear Shrikanth,
I have tried to apply your analysis in my chart and it relly works. I have one question - you have written that we can find the number of children based on the Navamsas gained by the 5th lord. Should we take into account miscarriages or only born children?

[tania]

Thanks for explaining, Shrikanth!

[mgprasad]

Thanks!
MGP

[krishnendu12das]

Dear Srikanth sir , in this thread you have explained about saptamsa and how to analyse sex of child . But please write about , how or which condition will lead to childlessness ie couple incapable of having their own children !

[mgprasad]

Thanks
MGP

[krishnendu12das]

Hello Shrikanth sir ,

Counting Houses starting from exact Deg of Asc , Sa (YK ) Lord of 4th and 5th is in 12th H but exalted . Ju Lord of 6th in 2nd H of Family( Although Ju in mooltrikona ) .Again in Saptamsa , Ju (karaka ) and 5th L Mo in 12th H and 6th L Su with Ke in 5th . Can or will this lead to severe complications or childless ness .

birth Details
12 aug 1984 , 11:47am , kolkata , india

[krishnendu12das]

Dear Shrikanth sir , thanks a lot for the reply .

Just one question , like we reckon 1st H starting from exact deg of Asc to 30 deg , shouldn't we do the same for divisional charts also or does this rule apply only to the D1 chart .

Because in my D7 chart , Lagna is on 24 deg Pisces , so the 11th H should be from 24 deg Cap to 24 deg Aq and
Ju is at 9 deg Aq and Mo at 20 deg Aq . So both of them fall in the 11th H of gains , so the situation changes a lot towards the better side ?

And in D7 , Ju is lagna lord also which is placed in 11th H ( gains )if we consider exact deg in D7 chart also .

The main question is , should i consider exact deg in D7 chart also ?

[vijayll]

Dear Shrikanthji
Very nicely written and easy to learn. While going through all the points and discussion still one doubt remains in my mind. For example if in Saptamsa Lagna is Aquarius and hence first child will be decided by fifth house. Its lord is Mercury and placed in tenth house Scorpio with Jupiter then how to determine if the child will be boy or girl.
For the example you have given
"For example
========
for Leo Lagna; Jupiter as the first child indicator is placed in Pisces
Jupiter alone - indicates male
Jupiter with Venus (exalted in Pisces) - indicates male
Jupiter with Moon (in Pisces) - indicates a female"

Jupiter with Moon in Pisces, Pisces gives male while Moon gives female then how you resolved the tie?
Similar difficulty faced in case of Aishwarya Rai's first Child. Due to Parivartana Saturn is thought to be in ninth house (i.e. fifth house). Capricorn gives female while Rahu gives male then how tie has broken and it has been decided as female.
Thanks.

[Ghrishneswar]

Shrikanth ji,

What about second child prospects for this person?
27-Nov-1975, 8:43 AM, Lucknow India?
Here in rasi the owner of 5H is Mars which is in kendra and debiliated in D7.
When I checked the first child using rules mentioned. D7 lagna is Capricorn. Counting 5H is Virgo. Pakesha mercury is placed in cancer with neecha mars and Sun and fully aspected by moon. This person had a female child.

Now what is the likelihood of second child? From D7 3rd from Virgo is cancer, Pakesha is Moon placed in capricorn and aspected by Sun, neecha mars and mercury.
Using rules:
Pakesha for 2nd child is Moon,
placed in Capricorn gives females child
Aspected by Sun, Mars – tendency towards male
Mercury should have no effect.
Mars is neecha so should tend towards female.

My guess is if they have a second child probability is higher towards female.

But you also mentioned ketu on 5H can mean continuation of lineage and this person has Ke in 5H in rasi. This makes me think there is a possibility of second child being male.

What do you think should this person have as second child ?

[vijayll]

Thank you Shrikanthji for clearing my doubt.

Vijay

[P. Dutta]

Dear Tania,

The number of conceptions is indicated by the number of navamsas gained by the 5th lord.

Shrikanth ji,
One fundamental question since I am a beginner:
What is meant by "Navamshas gained" by 5th lord?
Does it mean placement of Rashi chart's 5L in Navamsha chart from Navamsha lagna?

Sincerely,
Mr P. Dutta

[Ghrishneswar]

Dear Ghrishneshwar,

High probability Second child will be female as well.

Shrikanth

Thanks for confirmation.

[P. Dutta]

Dear P Dutta

Find out the longitude of the 5th lord and divide that by 3 deg 20 mins (length of a navamsa)
the quotient here + 1 is the number of navamsa gained by the 5th lord.

Shrikanth

The number of conceptions is indicated by the number of navamsas gained by the 5th lord.

Shrikanth ji,
One fundamental question since I am a beginner:
What is meant by "Navamshas gained" by 5th lord?
Does it mean placement of Rashi chart's 5L in Navamsha chart from Navamsha lagna?

Sincerely,
Mr P. Dutta

Thanks Shrikanth ji for your explanation.
But the longitude of my daughter's 5L Mars is 25.05 degree. On dividing it by 3.20 degrees, it adds up to something around 7.8 degrees. Does that mean she would conceive 7+1=8 times !!!
Sorry if I am making some mistake.

--- Mr P. Dutta

[Tiwari]

Dear Shrikanth,

What happens when too many malefic planets (rahu and mars) are sitting with the Pakesha lord in the seventh, and are aspected by another planet from the lagnesh of the D-7? I have a chart with the mithun ascendent in the D-7. I took libra as the fifth lord (hope I counted it in the right direction). Venus is sitting in the seventh house with rahu and mangal in dhanur rashi, and aspected by moon from the D-7 lagna. Jupiter sits in the 9th in aquarius with saturn. Mercury in the 10th in meena, and sun in the 12th in vrishabh rashi.

It seems too many planets are involved here (venus, moon, mars, rahu, and ketu; plus also jupiter and saturn). Which planet(s) to emphasize, and which one(s) to ignore? And what to expect in terms of progeny?

Many thanks --
Tiwari