Appreciate your time on this and honoring the request sir. It will help everyone.
Regards
Sonu
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mssharma
Shrikanth,
Thanks for the info. Please see the thread called "Education and remarraige" by Ganesha. In Saptamsa - Rahu is in 5th in Vrishcika. How many children does this person have, if at all, if yes, how many? how many male and female progeny? Kindly explain using PVR method
Please explain (I am posting the DOB details below)
MSSHARMA
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: Education and remarraige Reply with quote
Hello,
My details are,
DOB:Oct 14th 1971
POB:Bangalore,Karnataka,India
TOB:10:30pm(Indian Time)
Thanks for the info. Please see the thread called "Education and remarraige" by Ganesha. In Saptamsa - Rahu is in 5th in Vrishcika. How many children does this person have, if at all, if yes, how many? how many male and female progeny? Kindly explain using PVR method
Please explain (I am posting the DOB details below)
MSSHARMA
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: Education and remarraige Reply with quote
Hello,
My details are,
DOB:Oct 14th 1971
POB:Bangalore,Karnataka,India
TOB:10:30pm(Indian Time)
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Nitin21
Shrikanthji,
Can you please explain this ?
" Find the number of children based on the Navamsas gained by the fifth lord"
How do we count the number of navamsas gained by fifth lord ?
Regards
Sonu
Can you please explain this ?
" Find the number of children based on the Navamsas gained by the fifth lord"
How do we count the number of navamsas gained by fifth lord ?
Regards
Sonu
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mssharma
Shrikanth
Good to see your analysis. Is the technique given by PVR given in any classics? Let me know/send me a PM
Please see the message in the "Education and Marriage" and thread. I use KP ayanamsa and predicted 2 male children (using Venus in Swathi2). As Rahu is with mars -I said more male (and I had also told in the message that it is tough to say). I reviewed Saptamsa -Mars is fifth lord, giving more male children. The concerned person told me that indeed it was 2 male children. Also, person had good venus dasa. Venus in Cp navamsa explains it better than Sg navamsa IMHO. But others may disagree.
Astrology is vast and very difficult to master. There are at least 4 different ways to get the answer (Parashari, nadi, Jamini, Parashari using divisional charts, KP etc.)
[quote="Shrikanth"]I'll answer to both the queries in this post.
Counting the navamsas of the fifth lord.
In the example Oct 14,1971:10:30PM Bangalore
Venus is the 5th lord placed in Swathi 1 - so has acquired 3 navamsas. ( Chitta 2 navamsas in Libra and Swathi 1 total 3 )
The thing I did not mention in my post is that we need to remove navamsas containing malefics like Saturn/Rahu - here there are none.
So there may be at most 3 children.
In this example starting with Cancer lagna (even) going counter clockwise - fifth is Pisces lord Jupiter is placed in Cancer (male) Jupiter exalted (male)
So the first child should be male.
2nd is from Capricorn, lord is Saturn and placed in Cp (feminine) with exalted Mars (Male) - second one its a tough call - may be female. (Saturn having his way)
3rd is from Scorpio, lord is Mars exalted placed again in Cp(feminine) again tough call - I'd guess a male child here - Mars having his way.
Its usually a bit tough to predict when there are strong opposites like this.
I'm still researching whether the conjuncting planets have higher priority or the sign itself prolongs here.
MSSharma ji can tell us what the right answer is.
Shrikanth[/quote]
Good to see your analysis. Is the technique given by PVR given in any classics? Let me know/send me a PM
Please see the message in the "Education and Marriage" and thread. I use KP ayanamsa and predicted 2 male children (using Venus in Swathi2). As Rahu is with mars -I said more male (and I had also told in the message that it is tough to say). I reviewed Saptamsa -Mars is fifth lord, giving more male children. The concerned person told me that indeed it was 2 male children. Also, person had good venus dasa. Venus in Cp navamsa explains it better than Sg navamsa IMHO. But others may disagree.
Astrology is vast and very difficult to master. There are at least 4 different ways to get the answer (Parashari, nadi, Jamini, Parashari using divisional charts, KP etc.)
[quote="Shrikanth"]I'll answer to both the queries in this post.
Counting the navamsas of the fifth lord.
In the example Oct 14,1971:10:30PM Bangalore
Venus is the 5th lord placed in Swathi 1 - so has acquired 3 navamsas. ( Chitta 2 navamsas in Libra and Swathi 1 total 3 )
The thing I did not mention in my post is that we need to remove navamsas containing malefics like Saturn/Rahu - here there are none.
So there may be at most 3 children.
In this example starting with Cancer lagna (even) going counter clockwise - fifth is Pisces lord Jupiter is placed in Cancer (male) Jupiter exalted (male)
So the first child should be male.
2nd is from Capricorn, lord is Saturn and placed in Cp (feminine) with exalted Mars (Male) - second one its a tough call - may be female. (Saturn having his way)
3rd is from Scorpio, lord is Mars exalted placed again in Cp(feminine) again tough call - I'd guess a male child here - Mars having his way.
Its usually a bit tough to predict when there are strong opposites like this.
I'm still researching whether the conjuncting planets have higher priority or the sign itself prolongs here.
MSSharma ji can tell us what the right answer is.
Shrikanth[/quote]
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Nitin21
Shrikanthji,
Venus is the 5th lord placed in Swathi 1 - so has acquired 3 navamsas. ( Chitta 2 navamsas in Libra and Swathi 1 total 3 )
I use JHora. IS there a way into the software you can point me to conclude upon this. ? I am still trying to understand how to count navamsas. Sorry about my ignorance.
Regards
Sonu
Venus is the 5th lord placed in Swathi 1 - so has acquired 3 navamsas. ( Chitta 2 navamsas in Libra and Swathi 1 total 3 )
I use JHora. IS there a way into the software you can point me to conclude upon this. ? I am still trying to understand how to count navamsas. Sorry about my ignorance.
Regards
Sonu
Thanks Shrikanth ji for the lovely explanation.
I have a few questions. Hope you dont mind clarifying:
[quote]For subsequent marriages take the 8th from the 7th as the basis and then check the 11th from there ensure clockwise or counter clockwise.[/quote]
I assume the reference here is to Saptamsha still. i.e we take the Saptamsha lagna for the first marriage and the second house as lagna for second marriage?
[quote]we need to remove navamsas containing malefics like Saturn/Rahu - here there are none. [/quote]
I assume here you are referring to presence of malefics and not ownership. In the example given, while three children are possible if there were any malefics placed in Chitta 3,4 or Swathi 1 we would have reduced it to that extent.
I also have these general questions more out of curiosity:
1. In earlier days children numbering more than 9 was fairly common. If we were to go by namvamshas gained, max would be 9. Even for dual ownership signs like Sc and Aq it will still be 18.
2. Based on Saptamsha 7th child onwards, the sex and other basic things about children should keep repeating. i.e, 7t child will be like 1st child, 8th like 2nd etc.
3. In one of your posts you had connected the child's lagna to that of the father in some way. Does the Sapthamsa indicate the possible Asc of child in some way?
If you know any website links that have researched and validated these, request you to provide.
CRS
I have a few questions. Hope you dont mind clarifying:
[quote]For subsequent marriages take the 8th from the 7th as the basis and then check the 11th from there ensure clockwise or counter clockwise.[/quote]
I assume the reference here is to Saptamsha still. i.e we take the Saptamsha lagna for the first marriage and the second house as lagna for second marriage?
[quote]we need to remove navamsas containing malefics like Saturn/Rahu - here there are none. [/quote]
I assume here you are referring to presence of malefics and not ownership. In the example given, while three children are possible if there were any malefics placed in Chitta 3,4 or Swathi 1 we would have reduced it to that extent.
I also have these general questions more out of curiosity:
1. In earlier days children numbering more than 9 was fairly common. If we were to go by namvamshas gained, max would be 9. Even for dual ownership signs like Sc and Aq it will still be 18.
2. Based on Saptamsha 7th child onwards, the sex and other basic things about children should keep repeating. i.e, 7t child will be like 1st child, 8th like 2nd etc.
3. In one of your posts you had connected the child's lagna to that of the father in some way. Does the Sapthamsa indicate the possible Asc of child in some way?
If you know any website links that have researched and validated these, request you to provide.
CRS
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desyno1
Dear alpenglow, Your desire will come true after April of 2010, you are almost there. You will defi have kids, keep trying.
Namo Narayan
Namo Narayan
Sorry Shrikanthji, one more clarfication
While looking at the placement of malefics to reduce from the number of Navamsha's gained by 5th lord, do we take malefics placed in the same sign as the 5th lord or malefics placed in gained navamshas in any sign?
To give an example, assume 5th lord is in Aries in 5th Navamsha (Leo). Navamsha count would be 5. Assume Sa is in 4th in Aries (Cn Navamsha) and Ma is in 2nd Navamsha in Leo (Ta Navamsha). Do wetake the net number as 5-2 or 5-1?
CRS
While looking at the placement of malefics to reduce from the number of Navamsha's gained by 5th lord, do we take malefics placed in the same sign as the 5th lord or malefics placed in gained navamshas in any sign?
To give an example, assume 5th lord is in Aries in 5th Navamsha (Leo). Navamsha count would be 5. Assume Sa is in 4th in Aries (Cn Navamsha) and Ma is in 2nd Navamsha in Leo (Ta Navamsha). Do wetake the net number as 5-2 or 5-1?
CRS
Shrikanth ji,
I have one more questions. Request you to clarify.
While looking at the paka of children do we reckon miscarriages/still-births/premature deaths etc or we skip them?
Also request you to clarify my previous query on counting for malefics.
Thanks
CRS
I have one more questions. Request you to clarify.
While looking at the paka of children do we reckon miscarriages/still-births/premature deaths etc or we skip them?
Also request you to clarify my previous query on counting for malefics.
Thanks
CRS
Thanks Shirkanthji.
My doubt was a little different. Assume in D-7 1st child is reckoned from Aries as per rules you described. Assume there is a abortion thereafter. Do we see the 2nd surviving (3rd including the abortion) child from Gemini or Leo?
Also I repeat my other query. "assume 5th lord is in Aries in 5th Navamsha (Leo). Navamsha count would be 5. Assume Sa is in 4th in Aries (Cn Navamsha) and Ma is in 2nd Navamsha in Leo (Ta Navamsha). Do wetake the net number as 5-2 or 5-1?"
CRS
My doubt was a little different. Assume in D-7 1st child is reckoned from Aries as per rules you described. Assume there is a abortion thereafter. Do we see the 2nd surviving (3rd including the abortion) child from Gemini or Leo?
Also I repeat my other query. "assume 5th lord is in Aries in 5th Navamsha (Leo). Navamsha count would be 5. Assume Sa is in 4th in Aries (Cn Navamsha) and Ma is in 2nd Navamsha in Leo (Ta Navamsha). Do wetake the net number as 5-2 or 5-1?"
CRS
Dear Shrikanthji
DOB: 15 March 1983
TOB: 16:32
POB: Birmingham, UK
I have ketu in my 5th house in the natal chart with an aspect from saturn. I realise that this is malific and I am very worried.What does my saptamsa chart indicate about children? Do my charts indicate that I will never have children?I appreciate your time and consideration.
Many thanks
DHV
DOB: 15 March 1983
TOB: 16:32
POB: Birmingham, UK
I have ketu in my 5th house in the natal chart with an aspect from saturn. I realise that this is malific and I am very worried.What does my saptamsa chart indicate about children? Do my charts indicate that I will never have children?I appreciate your time and consideration.
Many thanks
DHV
[quote="Shrikanth"]Dear DHV
One malefic in the 5th alone cannot be a single combination denying progeny. Not to mention Ketu would not deny it.
You have Ketu in the 5th aspected by Saturn and Rahu (Graha drishti); Jupiter as the 5L is placed in the 4th (12th from 5th) but unblemished.
Navamsa has the Venus, Merc and Saturn in trines to each other and also from Lagna - This combination is usually considered quite a delaying factor in progeny matters.
Saptamsa lagna is Scorpio with Rahu in the 5th house (9th in clockwise; 5th counter clockwise) aspected by Mars and unaspected by benefics - Rahu can cause some damage and can a give miscarriages or disappointments with this placement.
5th lord Moon is debilitated (female) in Scorpio (female) - so you should get a girl child eventually.
With best wishes
Shrikanth[/quote]
Dear Shrikanthji
Thank you so much for your reply, I greatly appreciate it. Are there any prayers or remedies I can do to ease the malific effects of the planets so I do not have such problems when I do decide I want children? also, how many children do my charts indicate I will have?
Many Thanks
DHV
One malefic in the 5th alone cannot be a single combination denying progeny. Not to mention Ketu would not deny it.
You have Ketu in the 5th aspected by Saturn and Rahu (Graha drishti); Jupiter as the 5L is placed in the 4th (12th from 5th) but unblemished.
Navamsa has the Venus, Merc and Saturn in trines to each other and also from Lagna - This combination is usually considered quite a delaying factor in progeny matters.
Saptamsa lagna is Scorpio with Rahu in the 5th house (9th in clockwise; 5th counter clockwise) aspected by Mars and unaspected by benefics - Rahu can cause some damage and can a give miscarriages or disappointments with this placement.
5th lord Moon is debilitated (female) in Scorpio (female) - so you should get a girl child eventually.
With best wishes
Shrikanth[/quote]
Dear Shrikanthji
Thank you so much for your reply, I greatly appreciate it. Are there any prayers or remedies I can do to ease the malific effects of the planets so I do not have such problems when I do decide I want children? also, how many children do my charts indicate I will have?
Many Thanks
DHV
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Meena
DHV,
In addition to the analysis of DCs, your Rasi chart has some specific indications about children which can't be ignored.
1.2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in 7th has 9th aspect of Rahu from 11th from the house of Mercury.Mercury is close to debilitation.
2.5th lord Jupitor is in 4th ie 12 to 5th house.
3.9th lord Mars is in 8th ie 12th to 9th.
The above indicate you are very delicate in bearing a child and prone for miscarriages.
You can avoid these, if you are in proper medical+self care during the entire period of pregnencies.No strenuous works.
Jupitor and Mercury are the lords who can bless you for progeny.Pray them.
Certainly your chart indicate 3 children, the 2nd is sure a boy.
Meena.
In addition to the analysis of DCs, your Rasi chart has some specific indications about children which can't be ignored.
1.2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in 7th has 9th aspect of Rahu from 11th from the house of Mercury.Mercury is close to debilitation.
2.5th lord Jupitor is in 4th ie 12 to 5th house.
3.9th lord Mars is in 8th ie 12th to 9th.
The above indicate you are very delicate in bearing a child and prone for miscarriages.
You can avoid these, if you are in proper medical+self care during the entire period of pregnencies.No strenuous works.
Jupitor and Mercury are the lords who can bless you for progeny.Pray them.
Certainly your chart indicate 3 children, the 2nd is sure a boy.
Meena.
[quote="Meena"]DHV,
In addition to the analysis of DCs, your Rasi chart has some specific indications about children which can't be ignored.
1.2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in 7th has 9th aspect of Rahu from 11th from the house of Mercury.Mercury is close to debilitation.
2.5th lord Jupitor is in 4th ie 12 to 5th house.
3.9th lord Mars is in 8th ie 12th to 9th.
The above indicate you are very delicate in bearing a child and prone for miscarriages.
You can avoid these, if you are in proper medical+self care during the entire period of pregnencies.No strenuous works.
Jupitor and Mercury are the lords who can bless you for progeny.Pray them.
Certainly your chart indicate 3 children, the 2nd is sure a boy.
Meena.[/quote]
Thanks Meena for taking the time to look at my chart. As I am interested in vedic astrology myself, can you please explain to me how my chart indicates three children?
Many Thanks
DHV
In addition to the analysis of DCs, your Rasi chart has some specific indications about children which can't be ignored.
1.2nd and 11th lord Mercury is in 7th has 9th aspect of Rahu from 11th from the house of Mercury.Mercury is close to debilitation.
2.5th lord Jupitor is in 4th ie 12 to 5th house.
3.9th lord Mars is in 8th ie 12th to 9th.
The above indicate you are very delicate in bearing a child and prone for miscarriages.
You can avoid these, if you are in proper medical+self care during the entire period of pregnencies.No strenuous works.
Jupitor and Mercury are the lords who can bless you for progeny.Pray them.
Certainly your chart indicate 3 children, the 2nd is sure a boy.
Meena.[/quote]
Thanks Meena for taking the time to look at my chart. As I am interested in vedic astrology myself, can you please explain to me how my chart indicates three children?
Many Thanks
DHV
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Meena
Don't tell this secret to anybody.5th is main.3rd to 5th 7th.3rd to 7th is 9th ....so on.If any planet is in these house they are sure to give a child.But lord of these houses and aspects are to be taken care off.Go ahead see their strengths and MD/AD/PAD/SD etc also are to be taken to predict the time of bearing a child.Still lot more analysis,validation etc are to be done before conclusion.
While giving a reply all these things roll in the mind but we can't give a detailed analysis here,for which the member(s) may feel not complete and not all aspects like DCs are not considered.
I feel that the member's interest is to get a reply for solving his/her problem.
Not easy to learn with one go.
[quote="Meena"] Don't tell this secret to anybody.
5th is main.3rd to 5th 7th.3rd to 7th is 9th ....so on.If any planet is in these house they are sure to give a child.But lord of these houses and aspects are to be taken care off.Go ahead see their strengths and MD/AD/PAD/SD etc also are to be taken to predict the time of bearing a child.Still lot more analysis,validation etc are to be done before conclusion.
While giving a reply all these things roll in the mind but we can't give a detailed analysis here,for which the member(s) may feel not complete and not all aspects like DCs are not considered.
I feel that the member's interest is to get a reply for solving his/her problem.
Not easy to learn with one go.[/quote]
Thanks for your reply Meena, I appreciate it.
DHV
Don't tell this secret to anybody.5th is main.3rd to 5th 7th.3rd to 7th is 9th ....so on.If any planet is in these house they are sure to give a child.But lord of these houses and aspects are to be taken care off.Go ahead see their strengths and MD/AD/PAD/SD etc also are to be taken to predict the time of bearing a child.Still lot more analysis,validation etc are to be done before conclusion.
While giving a reply all these things roll in the mind but we can't give a detailed analysis here,for which the member(s) may feel not complete and not all aspects like DCs are not considered.
I feel that the member's interest is to get a reply for solving his/her problem.
Not easy to learn with one go.[/quote]
Thanks for your reply Meena, I appreciate it.
DHV
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sivagnanalingam
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|| Jaya Jagannatha ||
No use , nowdays people are using conraceptives to stop the child birth.
Apply Parasaras's - Desha - Kala - Patra - theroies,
siva sarasalai
No use , nowdays people are using conraceptives to stop the child birth.
Apply Parasaras's - Desha - Kala - Patra - theroies,
siva sarasalai
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Meena
sivagnanalingamji,
You mean act as per time and place ? What is indicated need not become true due to obstruction to conception as you mentioned .This is also mentioned in Vedic astrology. Some thought provoking ideas from you.
Meena
You mean act as per time and place ? What is indicated need not become true due to obstruction to conception as you mentioned .This is also mentioned in Vedic astrology. Some thought provoking ideas from you.
Meena
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Namaskar,
In China only one child is permitted .
siva sarasalai
Namaskar,
In China only one child is permitted .
siva sarasalai
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Dear Sri Kanth,
You are really pragmatic, I am pretty sure , Your AK has Sambandha with 11 th house. Because of this you got this talant in astro.
I don't know your birth data . It is not imoprtant to me also.
Whether your Kethu is in the trinal house in your Navamsa ?
regards,
siva sarasalai
Dear Sri Kanth,
You are really pragmatic, I am pretty sure , Your AK has Sambandha with 11 th house. Because of this you got this talant in astro.
I don't know your birth data . It is not imoprtant to me also.
Whether your Kethu is in the trinal house in your Navamsa ?
regards,
siva sarasalai
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Nitin21
Hearty Congrats Alpenglow . I recollect interacting with you on the matters but I dont have the trace to it. Anyways, God bless you .
. I recollect interacting with you on the matters but I dont have the trace to it. Anyways, God bless you .-
Nitin21
Alpenglow,
I would suggest, do not get into the future part of the pregnancy now. There is no end to the quench of the future knowledge. Enjoy your present, as this is a wonderful time for you and your husband. Just do your daily prayers. Garbha Sanskar is a good way to go. CDs are available in the market. Whoever you worship, make a practice to do so daily after bath and get rid of the fear. This will help the child's overall genetic makeup while in the womb. It will also build your confidence. God and Optimism are above astrology.
God bless you.
Regards
Sonu
I would suggest, do not get into the future part of the pregnancy now. There is no end to the quench of the future knowledge. Enjoy your present, as this is a wonderful time for you and your husband. Just do your daily prayers. Garbha Sanskar is a good way to go. CDs are available in the market. Whoever you worship, make a practice to do so daily after bath and get rid of the fear. This will help the child's overall genetic makeup while in the womb. It will also build your confidence. God and Optimism are above astrology.
God bless you.
Regards
Sonu
