Good Question...Are u already going thru Ashtam shani ?? What is the placement and lordhsip of Saturn in ur natal chart ?harr wrote:Namaste,
I've heard that ashtama sani (meaning Saturn's transit to 8th house from natal moon) is very bad. But are there exceptions if Saturn is the 12th Lord in natal chart, or if Saturn is placed in a dustana house in natal chart, and so on? What I mean is, since 8th house transit is bad, would Saturn's natal position in a dustana (bad) house make it better? Like vipareeta yoga where two bad things give good results. Does it work like that for Saturn transit, or is ashtama shani always bad?
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Ashtama Shani always bad?
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Hi Harr
Any 8th house to a Bhava will destroy that Bhava if :
(1) If the Bhava is a Dusthana, then the 8th to it should be a natural benefic.
(2) If the Bhava is a non-Dusthana, then the 8th to it should be a natural malefic.
The 8th to a Bhava shows the destruction to that Bhava on a long term basis. By having the appropriate natural benefic or natural malefic, that would do the trick. The 8th to a Bhava generally shows the life force to that Bhava.
Now coming back to transits. The principle should work for transits as well since in transits are talking about positions between planets via relative house placements between the two or more planets.
Now the basic dictum is that Saturn's transit to the 8th of Moon is bad. However, if we modify this basic dictum with the precept above, we then have to consider whether amelioration can take place based on the following facts :
(1) Is the placement of your Moon in a Dusthana or non-Dusthana? If it is in a non-Dusthana, the transit of Saturn would destroy the Bhava otherwise it can help to destroy the Dusthana effects. But bear in mind the basic dictum still applies as any planet 8th to Moon does badly and with Saturn there means its karakawa properties of disease, debts etc. would work detrimentally to the Moon.
(2) Is your Moon bright or dark? If it is bright it can to a certain extent counteract whatever bad effects (1) above give you or boost any good effects that (1) give you. And vice versa if the Moon is dark. The brightness or darkness of the Moon determine the way you react to good and bad situations.
(3) Is your Moon waxing or waning? If it is waxing, the bad effects can be ameliorated through karmic forces. And vice verasa if the Moon is waning. Note that a waning Moon whose maleficence is cancelled is also considered beneficial.
Hope the above answers your question.
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Any 8th house to a Bhava will destroy that Bhava if :
(1) If the Bhava is a Dusthana, then the 8th to it should be a natural benefic.
(2) If the Bhava is a non-Dusthana, then the 8th to it should be a natural malefic.
The 8th to a Bhava shows the destruction to that Bhava on a long term basis. By having the appropriate natural benefic or natural malefic, that would do the trick. The 8th to a Bhava generally shows the life force to that Bhava.
Now coming back to transits. The principle should work for transits as well since in transits are talking about positions between planets via relative house placements between the two or more planets.
Now the basic dictum is that Saturn's transit to the 8th of Moon is bad. However, if we modify this basic dictum with the precept above, we then have to consider whether amelioration can take place based on the following facts :
(1) Is the placement of your Moon in a Dusthana or non-Dusthana? If it is in a non-Dusthana, the transit of Saturn would destroy the Bhava otherwise it can help to destroy the Dusthana effects. But bear in mind the basic dictum still applies as any planet 8th to Moon does badly and with Saturn there means its karakawa properties of disease, debts etc. would work detrimentally to the Moon.
(2) Is your Moon bright or dark? If it is bright it can to a certain extent counteract whatever bad effects (1) above give you or boost any good effects that (1) give you. And vice versa if the Moon is dark. The brightness or darkness of the Moon determine the way you react to good and bad situations.
(3) Is your Moon waxing or waning? If it is waxing, the bad effects can be ameliorated through karmic forces. And vice verasa if the Moon is waning. Note that a waning Moon whose maleficence is cancelled is also considered beneficial.
Hope the above answers your question.
Warmest Regards
Hock Leong
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Hi Harr
By the way in my reply to you I did not touch on the matter about Saturn's lordship or placement in your chart as your question was Saturn's transit with respect to the Moon rather than Saturn's transit to a particular Bhava in your chart where functional lordship or placement of Saturn would then be more relavant.
Here we are dealing with the relative positions between the radix Moon and the transitting Saturn.
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By the way in my reply to you I did not touch on the matter about Saturn's lordship or placement in your chart as your question was Saturn's transit with respect to the Moon rather than Saturn's transit to a particular Bhava in your chart where functional lordship or placement of Saturn would then be more relavant.
Here we are dealing with the relative positions between the radix Moon and the transitting Saturn.
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HI KHLKhoo Hock Leong wrote:Hi Harr
By the way in my reply to you I did not touch on the matter about Saturn's lordship or placement in your chart as your question was Saturn's transit with respect to the Moon rather than Saturn's transit to a particular Bhava in your chart where functional lordship or placement of Saturn would then be more relavant.
Here we are dealing with the relative positions between the radix Moon and the transitting Saturn.
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Hock Leong
What if Saturn is well placed and a functional benefic for a chart...eg in my chart with Capricorn Asc ,Saturn becomes L1/L2 and Moon as L7 is in the 3rd house pf pisces..Saturn transits to exalted libra in november and will be in 8th from moon in transit BUT will be exalted in the 10th from Lagna in a friendly house..Saturn in my natal chart is placed in a trine -the 9th house and yes Moon (waxing) and Saturn aspect each other in the chart
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Hi astro123
Now 8th to the Moon is Libra in which Saturn is exalted. This means Saturn becomes very strong when transitting the sign of Libra and since the Moon is placed in a mild Dusthana, it would contribute to the third Bhava's maleficence effect. Note that the only overrider for this logical reasoning is when Moon is disposited by Saturn via Nakshatra or sign. In that 8th to Saturn will hardly touch the Moon at all as the lord of the Bhava will always help that Bhava including all planets there. Same reasoning with Nakshatra although for Nakshatra only part of the Bhava is covered but what is important is that the Moon is placed in Saturn's Nakshatra. Anyway this rider does not apply to you (not sure about your Moon's Nakshatra though). (This factor I forgot to state it above).
The other weaker rider is when the Moon is placed in a friendly sign to Saturn or a Nakshatra friendly to Saturn. That would also help to ameliorate the malefic effects. Again I am not sure about your Moon's Nakshatra though.
Now Saturn being a trinal lord and exalted in Libra during transit is good for the overall chart as a whole. But not good with respect to the Moon's position. That is what I meant that these two are separate issues to be dealt with separately and later on combined together to see the net effect ie. which factor comes out stronger to determine the overall result.
Saturn placed opposite to the Moon, this factor would only be taken into account when we are talking about Saturn transitting in the 7th position to the Moon, not when Saturn is transitting 8th to the Moon which is the subject matter of this thread. For interest sake, let's say we are talking about Saturn transitting in the position to the 7th to the Moon at this moment. Then we will analyse as such :
Saturn is well placed in Virgo and not too strong. But Saturn is enemy to the Moon. Still any planets placed 7th to another planet would always help the latter planet. Overall the effect is not so good basically because Saturn being enemy to the Moon (and a ver bad enemy based on this position at that ie. temporal enemy) overrides all the other factors including the factor that opposite planets usually act like a Prime Minister.
So all in all, there are at least 3 factors being discussed and they should not be conflated when discussing transitting saturn passing 8th to the Moon.
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Now 8th to the Moon is Libra in which Saturn is exalted. This means Saturn becomes very strong when transitting the sign of Libra and since the Moon is placed in a mild Dusthana, it would contribute to the third Bhava's maleficence effect. Note that the only overrider for this logical reasoning is when Moon is disposited by Saturn via Nakshatra or sign. In that 8th to Saturn will hardly touch the Moon at all as the lord of the Bhava will always help that Bhava including all planets there. Same reasoning with Nakshatra although for Nakshatra only part of the Bhava is covered but what is important is that the Moon is placed in Saturn's Nakshatra. Anyway this rider does not apply to you (not sure about your Moon's Nakshatra though). (This factor I forgot to state it above).
The other weaker rider is when the Moon is placed in a friendly sign to Saturn or a Nakshatra friendly to Saturn. That would also help to ameliorate the malefic effects. Again I am not sure about your Moon's Nakshatra though.
Now Saturn being a trinal lord and exalted in Libra during transit is good for the overall chart as a whole. But not good with respect to the Moon's position. That is what I meant that these two are separate issues to be dealt with separately and later on combined together to see the net effect ie. which factor comes out stronger to determine the overall result.
Saturn placed opposite to the Moon, this factor would only be taken into account when we are talking about Saturn transitting in the 7th position to the Moon, not when Saturn is transitting 8th to the Moon which is the subject matter of this thread. For interest sake, let's say we are talking about Saturn transitting in the position to the 7th to the Moon at this moment. Then we will analyse as such :
Saturn is well placed in Virgo and not too strong. But Saturn is enemy to the Moon. Still any planets placed 7th to another planet would always help the latter planet. Overall the effect is not so good basically because Saturn being enemy to the Moon (and a ver bad enemy based on this position at that ie. temporal enemy) overrides all the other factors including the factor that opposite planets usually act like a Prime Minister.
So all in all, there are at least 3 factors being discussed and they should not be conflated when discussing transitting saturn passing 8th to the Moon.
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Hock Leong
Khoo Hock Leong wrote:Hi astro123
Now 8th to the Moon is Libra in which Saturn is exalted. This means Saturn becomes very strong when transitting the sign of Libra and since the Moon is placed in a mild Dusthana, it would contribute to the third Bhava's maleficence effect. Note that the only overrider for this logical reasoning is when Moon is disposited by Saturn via Nakshatra or sign. In that 8th to Saturn will hardly touch the Moon at all as the lord of the Bhava will always help that Bhava including all planets there. Same reasoning with Nakshatra although for Nakshatra only part of the Bhava is covered but what is important is that the Moon is placed in Saturn's Nakshatra. Anyway this rider does not apply to you (not sure about your Moon's Nakshatra though). (This factor I forgot to state it above).
The other weaker rider is when the Moon is placed in a friendly sign to Saturn or a Nakshatra friendly to Saturn. That would also help to ameliorate the malefic effects. Again I am not sure about your Moon's Nakshatra though.
Now Saturn being a trinal lord and exalted in Libra during transit is good for the overall chart as a whole. But not good with respect to the Moon's position. That is what I meant that these two are separate issues to be dealt with separately and later on combined together to see the net effect ie. which factor comes out stronger to determine the overall result.
Saturn placed opposite to the Moon, this factor would only be taken into account when we are talking about Saturn transitting in the 7th position to the Moon, not when Saturn is transitting 8th to the Moon which is the subject matter of this thread. For interest sake, let's say we are talking about Saturn transitting in the position to the 7th to the Moon at this moment. Then we will analyse as such :
Saturn is well placed in Virgo and not too strong. But Saturn is enemy to the Moon. Still any planets placed 7th to another planet would always help the latter planet. Overall the effect is not so good basically because Saturn being enemy to the Moon (and a ver bad enemy based on this position at that ie. temporal enemy) overrides all the other factors including the factor that opposite planets usually act like a Prime Minister.
So all in all, there are at least 3 factors being discussed and they should not be conflated when discussing transitting saturn passing 8th to the Moon.
Warmest Regards
Hock Leong
Hi KHL
Ur spot on with the analysis.. Yep ,My Moon is in pisces under Uttarabhadra nakshatra ruled by Saturn ..Saturn presently is undergoing saturn return since my saturn is in virgo and will be in libra and 8th to the moon and co-incidentally i will also be under the influence of Saturn sub period from september and that is the reason i was worried abt ashtam shani part..So what happnes now that Moon is in a nakshatra ruled by saturn ?
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Hi Astro123
Since your Moon is in Saturn's Nakshatra, this means Saturn would take care of your Moon's needs so not that bad. But it would have been better that Saturn placed in Moon's Nakshatra because then your Moon ruling the mind and personalitity as karakatwa can beat Saturn's melancholiness. Exchange between Moon and Saturn via Nakshatra rulership would be even better as both Bhavas are non-Dusthana (we can ignore the 3rd Bhava as being a mild Dusthana as the Dusthana in 3rd stands more for sweat and toil rather than things that are debilitating to the individual). In your case although you do have full say in terms of the immediate situation, at least there is some relief of a good helper ie. Saturn 7th to the Moon (which can also mean some silver lining in the cloud which helps you to get by a difficult situations).
Moon not associating with Saturn is better as association tends to be too powerful and Moon and Saturn being enemies can become the overriding factor even if either planet happens to be placed in their own sign which can spill over some good to the other planet. But in the case when Saturn in its own sign and Moon associates with it, at least I do not have to worry about the transits of Saturn so much because my Moon thinks like Saturn! Moon in Cancer with Saturn together with denotes a mind that is less overcomed by melancholy but is unable to withstand Saturn's transit when it hits the person at is peak. Still Moon in CAncer is still better than if the two planets are placed in a sign when neither one of them is in its own sign of rulership.
Another possibilty is for Saturn in Capricorn but Moon in Aquarius in which case the associative effects between the two planets can then be discounted. But in this case Moon is 2nd to Saturn and not 7th, and the support is more of resources rather the advice kind as in the case of a 7th relationship. But if both Moon and Saturn are together with one of them in its own sign tends to produce a stronger personality as where Saturn is placed, always denote strength and the Moon position denote character acquired through birth. Counteraction of Saturn's transit is always stronger in the latter case.
How about Saturn in Aquarius and Moon in Capricorn? Same thing except that the support instead of being overt as when Moon is 2nd to Saturn with Saturn in Capricorn and Moon in Aquarius above, becomes covert which is what the 12th house to a Bhava stands for. Again this pattern is less strong than when the two planets associate and either one is placed in its own sign with the one when Saturn in its own sign being strongest of all but still not as good as the one that you have (Moon in Saturn's Nakshatra) which in turn is less good than when Saturn is in Moon's Nakshatra and 7th from the Moon which in turn is less good than Nakshatra exchange between Moon and Saturn (in the exchange relationship, Moon and Saturn need not even be in a 1st-7th relationship).
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Since your Moon is in Saturn's Nakshatra, this means Saturn would take care of your Moon's needs so not that bad. But it would have been better that Saturn placed in Moon's Nakshatra because then your Moon ruling the mind and personalitity as karakatwa can beat Saturn's melancholiness. Exchange between Moon and Saturn via Nakshatra rulership would be even better as both Bhavas are non-Dusthana (we can ignore the 3rd Bhava as being a mild Dusthana as the Dusthana in 3rd stands more for sweat and toil rather than things that are debilitating to the individual). In your case although you do have full say in terms of the immediate situation, at least there is some relief of a good helper ie. Saturn 7th to the Moon (which can also mean some silver lining in the cloud which helps you to get by a difficult situations).
Moon not associating with Saturn is better as association tends to be too powerful and Moon and Saturn being enemies can become the overriding factor even if either planet happens to be placed in their own sign which can spill over some good to the other planet. But in the case when Saturn in its own sign and Moon associates with it, at least I do not have to worry about the transits of Saturn so much because my Moon thinks like Saturn! Moon in Cancer with Saturn together with denotes a mind that is less overcomed by melancholy but is unable to withstand Saturn's transit when it hits the person at is peak. Still Moon in CAncer is still better than if the two planets are placed in a sign when neither one of them is in its own sign of rulership.
Another possibilty is for Saturn in Capricorn but Moon in Aquarius in which case the associative effects between the two planets can then be discounted. But in this case Moon is 2nd to Saturn and not 7th, and the support is more of resources rather the advice kind as in the case of a 7th relationship. But if both Moon and Saturn are together with one of them in its own sign tends to produce a stronger personality as where Saturn is placed, always denote strength and the Moon position denote character acquired through birth. Counteraction of Saturn's transit is always stronger in the latter case.
How about Saturn in Aquarius and Moon in Capricorn? Same thing except that the support instead of being overt as when Moon is 2nd to Saturn with Saturn in Capricorn and Moon in Aquarius above, becomes covert which is what the 12th house to a Bhava stands for. Again this pattern is less strong than when the two planets associate and either one is placed in its own sign with the one when Saturn in its own sign being strongest of all but still not as good as the one that you have (Moon in Saturn's Nakshatra) which in turn is less good than when Saturn is in Moon's Nakshatra and 7th from the Moon which in turn is less good than Nakshatra exchange between Moon and Saturn (in the exchange relationship, Moon and Saturn need not even be in a 1st-7th relationship).
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Hello Ninanina wrote:Hi guys,
I want to give an example to illustate my point on Ashtavarga.
A native I know with (full) Moon in Capricorn, had a hard time during Saturn's transit to Leo, her Ahstama Shani. Was in Sa/Sa then. By natal position Sa and Ju are in 12th from natal Moon and in 8th house from lagna. Ashtama Shani was hitting her 4th house (lagna is Taurus) and lagna lord Venus. Saturn was giving only 2 bindus to that house. At the time she just had a baby, had post-partum depression and much trouble from her mother, from that time on she distanced herself from her mother.
What is the Asc of the above native...Saturn in 8th (most planets in 8th) will give struggle and challenges...So Saturn MD wad problematic..what is the lordship of saturn
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Even wtihout the adverse saturn transit,it would have given struggle due to placement in the 8th house ..Taurus asc makes saturn a YK (L9/L10),so it should also give good results albeit with delays and obstructions due to placement in the 8thnina wrote:hello Astro123,
thanks for your interest. Asc / lagna is Taurus. saturn is 10/11th lord in 8th. saturn is also moon's rashi lord since moon is in capricorn.
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Hi Nina
Nice to hear from you again. It is quite some time.
With regards to your 2nd question about the compensation, yes it is true. Just to clarify again, the house you mention is the house where the Moon sits not the house that is 8th to the Moon. As for the house that is 8th to the Moon if there is a planet there, use the planet. If there is no planet, then use the lord. The word you use "compensate" is correct. 8th to any Bhava denotes death to that Bhava. So if the Bhava is a Dusthana (-ve) then its death would be through beneficience in the 8th and vice versa.
With regards to your 1st question, it is mostly from insight and basic astrological principles like Moon and Saturn are powerful enemies when they conjunct than when the are placed in different Bhavas. There are 2 points I got from classic and this forum.
About Astro123's question on the transitting of Saturn in the 7th Bhava to the Moon (not the 8th) that is from Lal Katib which says it is a helper if strong and an enemy if badly placed. In this forum members also keep saying how important the 7th to a Bhava is.
With regards to the point when Moon conjunct Saturn and how they can withstand the onslaught of Sadie Satay, I got a glimpse of your reply to one forum member how different people can withstand Sadie Satay (sorry about my spelling) depending whether Moon is with Saturn in Saturn's sign or Moon is 2nd to Saturn but also in Saturn's sign. Even if Moon is with Saturn or 2nd to Saturn the cure is still there but less powerful. Then I extended the precept from Sadie Satay to Ashtama Shani and 7th Bhava transit.
As for the part when Moon is with Saturn but Moon is the one dispositing Saturn (by Nakshatra or sign), that is based on basic astrological principle. In this case because Moon has the say over Saturn, the person is less likely to have gloom controlling him. But at the same time if Sadie Satay does occur, of course the best friend is yourself ie. Saturn dispositing Moon rather than Moon dispositing Saturn.
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Nice to hear from you again. It is quite some time.
With regards to your 2nd question about the compensation, yes it is true. Just to clarify again, the house you mention is the house where the Moon sits not the house that is 8th to the Moon. As for the house that is 8th to the Moon if there is a planet there, use the planet. If there is no planet, then use the lord. The word you use "compensate" is correct. 8th to any Bhava denotes death to that Bhava. So if the Bhava is a Dusthana (-ve) then its death would be through beneficience in the 8th and vice versa.
With regards to your 1st question, it is mostly from insight and basic astrological principles like Moon and Saturn are powerful enemies when they conjunct than when the are placed in different Bhavas. There are 2 points I got from classic and this forum.
About Astro123's question on the transitting of Saturn in the 7th Bhava to the Moon (not the 8th) that is from Lal Katib which says it is a helper if strong and an enemy if badly placed. In this forum members also keep saying how important the 7th to a Bhava is.
With regards to the point when Moon conjunct Saturn and how they can withstand the onslaught of Sadie Satay, I got a glimpse of your reply to one forum member how different people can withstand Sadie Satay (sorry about my spelling) depending whether Moon is with Saturn in Saturn's sign or Moon is 2nd to Saturn but also in Saturn's sign. Even if Moon is with Saturn or 2nd to Saturn the cure is still there but less powerful. Then I extended the precept from Sadie Satay to Ashtama Shani and 7th Bhava transit.
As for the part when Moon is with Saturn but Moon is the one dispositing Saturn (by Nakshatra or sign), that is based on basic astrological principle. In this case because Moon has the say over Saturn, the person is less likely to have gloom controlling him. But at the same time if Sadie Satay does occur, of course the best friend is yourself ie. Saturn dispositing Moon rather than Moon dispositing Saturn.
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Hi all,
For what it is worth, my most recent ashtama shani period, a couple of years ago, was extremely good-one of the best periods of the last 10 years:
1) Is the placement of your Moon in a Dusthana or non-Dusthana? If it is in a non-Dusthana, the transit of Saturn would destroy the Bhava otherwise it can help to destroy the Dusthana effects.** My moon is in 6.
(2) Is your Moon bright or dark? If it is bright it can to a certain extent counteract whatever bad effects (1) above give you or boost any good effects that (1) give you. And vice versa if the Moon is dark. The brightness or darkness of the Moon determine the way you react to good and bad situations. **Not sure
(3) Is your Moon waxing or waning? If it is waxing, the bad effects can be ameliorated through karmic forces. And vice verasa if the Moon is waning. Note that a waning Moon whose maleficence is cancelled is also considered beneficial.** Moon is waning
Not sure if I am 100% accurate-maybe someone could check? My DOB is Feb 17, 1955, Mumbai, 6pm.
For what it is worth, my most recent ashtama shani period, a couple of years ago, was extremely good-one of the best periods of the last 10 years:
1) Is the placement of your Moon in a Dusthana or non-Dusthana? If it is in a non-Dusthana, the transit of Saturn would destroy the Bhava otherwise it can help to destroy the Dusthana effects.** My moon is in 6.
(2) Is your Moon bright or dark? If it is bright it can to a certain extent counteract whatever bad effects (1) above give you or boost any good effects that (1) give you. And vice versa if the Moon is dark. The brightness or darkness of the Moon determine the way you react to good and bad situations. **Not sure
(3) Is your Moon waxing or waning? If it is waxing, the bad effects can be ameliorated through karmic forces. And vice verasa if the Moon is waning. Note that a waning Moon whose maleficence is cancelled is also considered beneficial.** Moon is waning
Not sure if I am 100% accurate-maybe someone could check? My DOB is Feb 17, 1955, Mumbai, 6pm.
Hi Nina,
I found your AV point working in my father's chart:
He had an accident (fell from a small stool that broke his thigh bone to pieces) on 14.4.1995 (around 11am) on Tamil New Year. He is a Cn Asc. Saturn in Aq had only 3 bindus. Ma was debilitated in lagna at that time.He was operated upon and was bedridden for 3 months, but the rest of his Ashtama Sani period was okay. Being a determined person he did physiotherapy rigorously and got out of bed sooner than expected.
birth chart: 8.4.1938; 13.22PM; Madras,India
accident: 14.4.1995; 11AM(approx); Madras,India
Thanks,
Balajhi
I found your AV point working in my father's chart:
He had an accident (fell from a small stool that broke his thigh bone to pieces) on 14.4.1995 (around 11am) on Tamil New Year. He is a Cn Asc. Saturn in Aq had only 3 bindus. Ma was debilitated in lagna at that time.He was operated upon and was bedridden for 3 months, but the rest of his Ashtama Sani period was okay. Being a determined person he did physiotherapy rigorously and got out of bed sooner than expected.
birth chart: 8.4.1938; 13.22PM; Madras,India
accident: 14.4.1995; 11AM(approx); Madras,India
Thanks,
Balajhi
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Hi Nina
About your 2nd question regarding compensation, another thing is that if Saturn is strong like well placed in asigned and placed 8th the Bhava where the Moon is situated (actually can be any Bhava but I am speaking from the context of this post), whether the Bhava the Moonis posited is Dusthana or not, the Bhava effects would be fully felt. It is as if Saturn has given that Bhava a long lease of life metaphorically to the individual for him to experience the full effects.
This is the only exception to the factors enumerated above with regards to the compensation factor mentioned by you.
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About your 2nd question regarding compensation, another thing is that if Saturn is strong like well placed in asigned and placed 8th the Bhava where the Moon is situated (actually can be any Bhava but I am speaking from the context of this post), whether the Bhava the Moonis posited is Dusthana or not, the Bhava effects would be fully felt. It is as if Saturn has given that Bhava a long lease of life metaphorically to the individual for him to experience the full effects.
This is the only exception to the factors enumerated above with regards to the compensation factor mentioned by you.
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Good day all ,
26 04 1973
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Mangalore
Astama Shani started on the 1st of November 2006 . By the time it ended in September 2009 , I was the shadow of the Man I used to be . Too may bitter tears had rained down on me . Shani dragged me through the mud and smashed me within a Inch of my life . Its a miracle that I survived it .
Now what made it so bad ? Shani is the lagna lord and should not have caused so much trouble
Reasons are
1. Shani goes to his enemies house in the 8th . Simha is his hated sign .
2. Shani is in the 8th house in Navamsha
3. Dasha was of the 12th lord . 12th lord was is in debilitation .
4. Most importantly . Shani gets only 1 point in the AV chart . This is a killer combo .
Best regard's
26 04 1973
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Mangalore
Astama Shani started on the 1st of November 2006 . By the time it ended in September 2009 , I was the shadow of the Man I used to be . Too may bitter tears had rained down on me . Shani dragged me through the mud and smashed me within a Inch of my life . Its a miracle that I survived it .
Now what made it so bad ? Shani is the lagna lord and should not have caused so much trouble
Reasons are
1. Shani goes to his enemies house in the 8th . Simha is his hated sign .
2. Shani is in the 8th house in Navamsha
3. Dasha was of the 12th lord . 12th lord was is in debilitation .
4. Most importantly . Shani gets only 1 point in the AV chart . This is a killer combo .
Best regard's
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Astroboy:
But Sani is in the 5th house in rasi which is sukra his friend's house. Also Sani is with the 5th lord sukra in the navamsa, who is his best friend. Also he is 5th from moon. Also in both rasi and navamsa, surya us 12th to sani. Are these not positve points. May be he is between mars and sun, papakartari?
In the navamsa, sat in his position has astavarga of 3 though the corresponding value is 1 in the rasi chart.
Your inputs?
Dev
But Sani is in the 5th house in rasi which is sukra his friend's house. Also Sani is with the 5th lord sukra in the navamsa, who is his best friend. Also he is 5th from moon. Also in both rasi and navamsa, surya us 12th to sani. Are these not positve points. May be he is between mars and sun, papakartari?
In the navamsa, sat in his position has astavarga of 3 though the corresponding value is 1 in the rasi chart.
Your inputs?
Dev
What period/Sub period was running during Asthma shaniMaharani wrote:Hi Nina,
I didnt provide a chart, just my TOB, but I can say my last Ashtami Shani was a great period (Saturn in Cancer, my Asc). It was only in retrospect I realized it was indeed Ashtama Shani........
Beginner/Learner of Vedic Astrology
Add to it he was transiting your 8th house from lagna too, which effectively meant lagna lord in the 8th.astroboy wrote:Good day all ,
26 04 1973
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Mangalore
Astama Shani started on the 1st of November 2006 . By the time it ended in September 2009 , I was the shadow of the Man I used to be . Too may bitter tears had rained down on me . Shani dragged me through the mud and smashed me within a Inch of my life . Its a miracle that I survived it .
Now what made it so bad ? Shani is the lagna lord and should not have caused so much trouble
Reasons are
1. Shani goes to his enemies house in the 8th . Simha is his hated sign .
2. Shani is in the 8th house in Navamsha
3. Dasha was of the 12th lord . 12th lord was is in debilitation .
4. Most importantly . Shani gets only 1 point in the AV chart . This is a killer combo .
Best regard's
Correct Chaks Ji , As a rule , Makara lagna people always have a tougher Astama Shani . More over Natal Shani is in the Badaka lord's Nakshatra . 
.Kaalas .
.Kaalas .Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
Hi Nina,
Thanks for the analysis. The period of Ashtama shani coincided more or less with a cross country move to a new city (in Feb 04), a new job, and a second cross country relocation in August 06, also for career reasons, to the place where I now live. I had to make a lot of adjustments and was initially unwilling to move. However, my new job was great, I did very well in it, and much to my surprise was recruited in 06 for the job I am now in, which is also a significant promotion. I would not have my current job had I not performed well in my last. While I initially didnt like where I moved in 04, it grew on me, I had a fabulous apt in a great area, made good friends, and had a satisfying personal life. My only regret was that I meant to stay at least 5 years and felt bad leaving when I did-the co. I worked at was very good to me. My memories of this period are wholly positive. I did not start a new relationship in this time (no time), but the relocation strained my close friendships, which were totally reconfigured as a result. My job is one that brings me in contact with well connected, powerful, or wealthy individuals and agencies and my profile improved-I felt I had come out of the shadows.
I just realized I forgot one thing-in Sept 04 I returned to my previous home city for a conference-I was mugged leaving the best restaurant in town and all my ID was stolen (I was not hurt)! I was told afterwards, you can never go back! It took a year to recover my ID, but in the end even my passport was mailed back to me. I have put it behind me, but it did cause me to close the door on my old life afterwards (I have a hard time letting go). That was the only bad thing that happened, and I would still say it was a highly positive period overall-but then with such a strong 6-12 house axis what else can I say?
Thanks for the analysis. The period of Ashtama shani coincided more or less with a cross country move to a new city (in Feb 04), a new job, and a second cross country relocation in August 06, also for career reasons, to the place where I now live. I had to make a lot of adjustments and was initially unwilling to move. However, my new job was great, I did very well in it, and much to my surprise was recruited in 06 for the job I am now in, which is also a significant promotion. I would not have my current job had I not performed well in my last. While I initially didnt like where I moved in 04, it grew on me, I had a fabulous apt in a great area, made good friends, and had a satisfying personal life. My only regret was that I meant to stay at least 5 years and felt bad leaving when I did-the co. I worked at was very good to me. My memories of this period are wholly positive. I did not start a new relationship in this time (no time), but the relocation strained my close friendships, which were totally reconfigured as a result. My job is one that brings me in contact with well connected, powerful, or wealthy individuals and agencies and my profile improved-I felt I had come out of the shadows.
I just realized I forgot one thing-in Sept 04 I returned to my previous home city for a conference-I was mugged leaving the best restaurant in town and all my ID was stolen (I was not hurt)! I was told afterwards, you can never go back! It took a year to recover my ID, but in the end even my passport was mailed back to me. I have put it behind me, but it did cause me to close the door on my old life afterwards (I have a hard time letting go). That was the only bad thing that happened, and I would still say it was a highly positive period overall-but then with such a strong 6-12 house axis what else can I say?
