Can will power overcome fate?

[Khopdi]

I just recently consulted a very reknowned astrologer in Pune. My father had consulted with him earlier regarding marraige prospects. He told me contradictory reading on one point regarding marraige that I wont have a love marraige which he told to my father will happen.

My D.O.B is 9th October 1983 11.16Am Pune.

My question is despite bad prediction is it possible to overcome them using will power?

[Pem]

I just recently consulted a very reknowned astrologer in Pune. My father had consulted with him earlier regarding marraige prospects. He told me contradictory reading on one point regarding marraige that I wont have a love marraige which he told to my father will happen.

My D.O.B is 9th October 1983 11.16Am Pune.

My question is despite bad prediction is it possible to overcome them using will power?

Destiny shall prevail.

[Khopdi]

Now question is which destiny shall prevail?
Secondly if everything is predetermined is there anything called freewill?
If there is nothing called freewill and everything is only fate then what is the point of existence amd praying ?
If everything is predetermined what control do we have and without control how can one change fate of future lifetimes?

Makes one doubt if god exists like you describe dear Pem sir?

[Pem]

I just recently consulted a very reknowned astrologer in Pune. My father had consulted with him earlier regarding marraige prospects. He told me contradictory reading on one point regarding marraige that I wont have a love marraige which he told to my father will happen.

My D.O.B is 9th October 1983 11.16Am Pune.

My question is despite bad prediction is it possible to overcome them using will power?

Hello Khopdi
Yes, the use of freewill is limited to all of us. But somehow destiny will find its way.
Did your astrologer tell you that according to your tob there is the presence of Lagna Gandanta ?
Regards

[Khopdi]

Thank you sir I was not aware of this fact. Please could you tell me its implications in my case and any remedies?

[Pem]

Thank you sir I was not aware of this fact. Please could you tell me its implications in my case and any remedies?

Hello khopdi
This is a lot of work for me. Face to face with your reknowned astrologer would have been easier to tell you
or your father.
Pls learn about the implication from the internet. This should have been done at birth, being in India.
Next : consult a very good priest who knows how to treat this condition.
This will help you overcome all fears and doubts and put better light in your life and
all your questions will be answered.
Regards

[Khopdi]

Well thank you sir for the info.

Thanks to the moderator if he allows this post.

Well the astrologer is the famous V.D.Bhat from Pune who as written quite a few books and is the president of Marashtra Jyotish Parishad.

Now if everything is so predestined whats the point of a thinking mind? Is it just to feel pain?
1. God designed your minds
2. God designed your fate
3. Your mind will react to an event in a certain manner.
4. If the above statements hold true. Then there is nothing called karma as our actions will also be predetermined.
5. There will be no scope left for improvement.

I dont beleive in the design of god prescribed by most astrologers. I was thinking from a pattern perspective and we dont even account for black holes and meteors and floating asteroids.

If god could be appeased by pooja and sacrifices dosent that make him/her/it vulnerable to human flaws like greed and if we weaken him with human emotion I guess he is not worthy of being god then.

And if planets really had such a huge impact am sure in the cureent age with all the mobile towers and electric cables evrywhere would have far more greater impact and may even deflect other planets gravitional forces. Think about it? Physics and electromagnetism.

[Khopdi]

I rather face god if it exists and fate head on. Than bow down to a not so benovelent being

[Pem]

Hello Khopdi
Appreciate your view.
All things in life are of 2 states:
Visible and Invisible forces; 0 and 1s ;off and on; mundane and spiritual, physics and metaphysics etc
Each one s definition of god differs.
Regards

[djoe]

As I understand what each one of us faces is our own Karma, incurred for deeds done ( and intended) , so i guess we are facing the results of our own past exercise of free will. The result is - destiny - cant escape your own doing. The only thing you can do is in the present moment. That naturally will dictate the future.

[Khopdi]

Have been reading Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda Paramhansa tough I am not religious or ritualistic like many. Here is what he says
Astrology is the study of man's [sic] response to planetary stimuli. The stars have no conscious benevolence or animosity; they merely send forth positive and negative radiations. Of themselves, these do not help or harm humanity….

The message boldly blazoned across the heavens at the moment of birth is not meant to emphasize fate—the result of past good and evil—but to arouse man's [sic…& seq.] will to escape from his universal thralldom. What he has done, he can undo. None other than himself was the instigator of the causes of whatever effects are now prevalent in his life. He can overcome any limitation, because he created it by his own actions in the first place, and because he has spiritual resources which are not subject to planetary pressure.

Superstitious awe of astrology makes one an automaton, slavishly dependent on mechanical guidance. The wise man defeats his planets—which is to say, his past—by transferring his allegiance from the creation to the Creator. The more he realizes his unity with Spirit, the less he can be dominated by matter. The soul is ever-free; it is deathless because birthless. It cannot be regimented by stars.

[tylorechandra]

There is a prevailing sense of resignation to an assumption that everything is predestined. According to me, and I have stated this earlier too, this is definitely not so. I would suggest that people read about Karma and Karma theory. Karma has many classifications. Dhrida (certain), Adhrida (No certainty) and Dhridadhrida (in between - partial certainty). It is only the Dhrida Karmas which are certain to occur. Dhridadrida can become certain with small efforts and pariharas while Adhrida needs more efforts and is more difficult to convert to certainty.

Karmas are also classified as Sanchita (Deposit of all Karmas), Prarabda (what is to be spent in the present life cycle), Kriyaamana (current) and Aagaami (future). All future actions have the element of freewill and this can be freely exercised. While destiny controls or creates circumstances with regard to Dhrida karmas , this is not the case for other Karmas.

The birth chart indicates the bank of karmas till the time of birth. It does not take into account the karmas subsequently performed. This is the reason why the prasna chart (made for the time of prasna and hence current and includes the karmas done after birth too) may give results at variance to that indicated by the natal chart.

To decipher the Dhrida karmas from the bank of Karmas is the most difficult part for an astrologer. HIS guidance is ever necessary for a correct diagnosis.

TKC

[Luckygirl]

How does one know if the karmas are dhrida or adhrida?

[Harshitmishra]

Ramkrishna paramhansa's analogy can be very useful here-
"Yes, karma or destiny (i.e. the result of past actions) is like a rope tied to the neck of a goat. The rope restricts the movement of the goat, but does not determine where the goat goes and what it does! That is upto the goat's free will.

A thirsty goat may look at a river nearby and despair as it cannot reach the river due to the rope. It may try and struggle continually, without reaching the river. Another thirsty goat may realize that it cannot reach the river, accept that, look around, find a small bucket of water behind it within reach if it negotiates with the rope and the obstacles. It may turn back, go, drink that water in the bucket and be happy.

While the destiny as frozen at the time of birth (and as reflected in the horoscope) is like the rope tying the goat and the surroundings of the goat, the actions of free will after birth are like the actions of the goat - how it accepts and negotiates the rope and its surroundings to get what it wants."

[joyd]

@Khopdi-wrote/ My question is despite bad prediction is it possible to overcome them using will power?

Good question but you have to add/modify a little bit more to your question here.It's like,is it possible to overcome them at what level and extent using will power?

Free-will is a nagging question in astrology but it has a very definitive answer that experts in this branch are not disclosing due to varied reasons.All charts are not blessed with this power of free will that slightly changes the path of already dictated destiny.

Now i am coming to the point straight away.

If upachaya lords are in upachaya houses,then one can slightly modify their path of dictated destiny but finally these changes done by such natives ends with some negitive incidents too.

@Harshitmishra-any goat[out of two you mentioned] can see the bucket of water sooner or later and there is no necessity to see the river for water first.To be frank,goats and sheeps are afraid to reach big water sources like rivers you mentioned.so they never dare to approach rivers whether they are tied or not.

joyd.

[AstroDrAnjna]

r u looking for intercaste love marriage?

[Luckygirl]

Does that mean, a person should just submit to fate, accept the bad predictions and suffer it?
Why do people go to hospitals when sick,
I know a couple of people whose deaths were predicted 2 or 3 yrs ago, still living a life.
How come only the bad predictions, show up on time with change in dasas and transits, while for the good ones we have to work hard and fight?
I was hoping that looking at the birth chart would bring a mixed bag of predictions, but when you are told from now on it's all only suffering and depression, for the rest of the life, makes one wonder why me?.

[astrolover2017]

Planets are agents of the God force that create happiness and saddness to humans based on their past karma.
Instead of fearing planets, pray to the supreme controller (God energy) and you can create your own reality.

There is no fate or destiny, its all what you create with the life force. Prayer can move mountains. Pls keep it in mind.

[Luckygirl]

Thank you very much astrolover ji.
I have come to a level of acceptance.
Trying to consciously change destructive thought patterns.

[Dashas]

"Free-will is a nagging question in astrology but it has a very definitive answer that experts in this branch are not disclosing due to varied reasons.All charts are not blessed with this power of free will that slightly changes the path of already dictated destiny"

@joyd, do you mean to say it is possible to predict how much free will a person has from their birth chart?

[joyd]

Hope you half understood of my given reply.so for sound understanding,please re-read it again.

joyd.

[rohit12345]

@joyd ....Yes, Even I want to know more about how can one predict the level of free will from birth chart.

[Dashas]

@joyd, I dont understand. I have re-read your answer several times. How can we calculate amount of free will from a birth chart (other than upachya houses that you mentioned)?

[joyd]

@Dashas/ rohit 12345--- "If upachaya lords are in upachaya houses,then one can slightly modify their path of dictated destiny but finally these changes done by such natives ends with some negitive incidents too."

Apply this above wisely in your charts and post your answers..

joyd.

[rohit12345]

Hey Joyd,
**thanks for the update.

if lord of 10th house is in 10th house does that mean, one has complete control over his occupation, his place of living.

Best,
Rohita