Hello all,
I've read around the forum in old posts and on other sites I've come across, some people saying a planet that causes Kendrapati dosha if placed in kendra, or own sign (like if Jupiter in 7th for gemini lagna) it's evil effects are much worse. It's better to have the Kendrapati dosha planet elsewhere...though sites haven't been specific as to where else.
I'm wondering if a Kendrapati dosha planet is actually better off weak, like debilitated or in 6,8,12 ...or perhaps 3 or 11 upachaya house where it 'gets better in time'. ?
I have Kendrapati dosha jupiter (gemini lag) debilitated in my 8th, and have ran jupiter dasha and it was very good actually, and I did not feel much effects according to what I read about a K.Dosha planet.
I have a friend with Gemini lagna, and his jupiter is in own sign in 7th, he has not ran jup MD (won't for 30 more years...) but have suffered in almost all ways according to 7th house, and Kendrapati dosha type problems (bad friends, people trying to con him..etc.)
he has no other planet aspecting jupiter in his 7th... (and it's in aries navamsa in the 4th house in navamsa).
though I don't mean to get into a reading of charts here,
my question is just to clarify is it better or worse to have a Kendrapati dosha planet strong in a kendra or own sign, or perhaps its similar to a malefic lord(like 6th lord) where it's generally considered good if it's weak/debilitated. ?
Thank you
Kendrapati dosha question
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Hey pink1, thanks for replying,
though sorry I'm a bit confused as to what you mean, are you saying you feel there's no such thing as Kendrapti dosh? or that it's not better if the KD planet is weaker?
I'm just confused as to why I read some people saying a chart with a KD planet in a kendra is much worse, then others say it's better to have the KD planet strong, while some sites I come across say it's better if the KD planet is weak...etc.
seems to be similar to retrograde like you said, where there's many different opinions on the matter... not 100% agreeing between astrologers.
though sorry I'm a bit confused as to what you mean, are you saying you feel there's no such thing as Kendrapti dosh? or that it's not better if the KD planet is weaker?
I'm just confused as to why I read some people saying a chart with a KD planet in a kendra is much worse, then others say it's better to have the KD planet strong, while some sites I come across say it's better if the KD planet is weak...etc.
seems to be similar to retrograde like you said, where there's many different opinions on the matter... not 100% agreeing between astrologers.
Understand what this dosha actually does instead of going about what maybe the better placement. This dosha has never been clearly looked by anyone, although it has been suggested that having powerful yogas will cancel out kendradipati dosha. In my own experience, a planet in the kendra only affects the personality, it does not cause any event outside of yourself even during its maha dasa - this applies to any planet in kendra. The kendras houses are nothing but different dimensions of your personality,they tell you how you represent yourself in different walks of life but that itself isn't enough to create a satisfactory event in your life, this is actually the dosha. But, when a kendra lord mingles with other planets such as trikona or upachya lords then you can notice variations of different events challenging you in many ways, that's one way to get rid of the dosha.
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Thanks for that elipsis!
My question on K.Dosha came to be because of seeing many "astrologers" often just tell someone that they have a planet with the dosh and thus the planets evil and producing only bad effects in it's dasha.
These kinds of predictions rang false to me, too simplified and I felt there's no way one affliction of planet like K.Dosha would always be negative for everyone.
Your explanation of the kendra lord needing to mingle with a trine and/or upachaya lord in order to bring more satisfactory events into ones life makes sense.
My friend with jupiter K.Dosh sitting in 7th, has no other aspects, no "mingling" with another planet and has indeed seeed very negative to him.
My question on K.Dosha came to be because of seeing many "astrologers" often just tell someone that they have a planet with the dosh and thus the planets evil and producing only bad effects in it's dasha.
These kinds of predictions rang false to me, too simplified and I felt there's no way one affliction of planet like K.Dosha would always be negative for everyone.
Your explanation of the kendra lord needing to mingle with a trine and/or upachaya lord in order to bring more satisfactory events into ones life makes sense.
My friend with jupiter K.Dosh sitting in 7th, has no other aspects, no "mingling" with another planet and has indeed seeed very negative to him.
Any planet alone in kendra bites the dust for sure because it is not powerful on its own. If you want to see the optimal positions for a kendra you must look at the 3rd house it. The 3rd house from any house will tell you the kind of challenge you will meet when carrying out your tasks.GNE wrote:Thanks for that elipsis!
My question on K.Dosha came to be because of seeing many "astrologers" often just tell someone that they have a planet with the dosh and thus the planets evil and producing only bad effects in it's dasha.
These kinds of predictions rang false to me, too simplified and I felt there's no way one affliction of planet like K.Dosha would always be negative for everyone.
Your explanation of the kendra lord needing to mingle with a trine and/or upachaya lord in order to bring more satisfactory events into ones life makes sense.
My friend with jupiter K.Dosh sitting in 7th, has no other aspects, no "mingling" with another planet and has indeed seeed very negative to him.
Kendra
1st: 3rd house
4th: 6th house
7th: 9th house
10th: 12th house
So the 1st house meets the challenge of siblings, you have to prove yourself to be worthy among them. Then the 4th house meets the challenge of 6th, in order to gain immovable properties, comforts or lands you'll have to fight your enemies, relatives who were once friends. The 7th house meets the 9th house which represents your father, this shows the spouse will have a hard time facing your family and to win their affection and trust. And lastly the 10th house will have to carry out karma at the expense of 12th house, so the 10th isn't a permanent house but only a temporary bastion for any individual - it comes at an enormous price of wasting away your life, this is why it is called as the strongest kendra house because it really saps the life out of anyone.
3/11 or sextile relations between planets or houses tells you the kind of efforts or challenges required as well as the type of gains.
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Hi GNE,
- ya, different experiences, i do agree.
- i am of the opinion that it is some other planet and not jupiter for sure.
- ya, different experiences, i do agree.
- You should look at those who have jupiter like this but not have felt its effect in jupiter dasa itself.My friend with jupiter K.Dosh sitting in 7th, has no other aspects, no "mingling" with another planet and has indeed seeed very negative to him.
- i am of the opinion that it is some other planet and not jupiter for sure.
Thanks for the reply's,
Very interesting information elipsis,
so when you say we must look for the 3rd house from the kendra house, do we simply check strength of that house / affliction by malefics, strength and position of it's lord, etc. ?
and what if the house lord is in the kendra, ex: 12th lord in 10th , or 9th lord in 7th, etc. so the lord+house are 3/11 from one another?
And pink1, I do think there's more to the story than just the jupiter in kendra...
like I said, the person has not had any successful relationship yet, and often rubs people wrong in business dealings, he's been fired/kicked out of a few groups he tried joining in work. ... Not the type of thing I'd think a benefic Jupiter in own sign in 7th would cause. (mostly the lack of any good romantic relationship)
Sept 9 1972
1:17am
Toronto, Ontario (canada)
there's the details in case you want to check.
I haven't dove much into his chart, it just came to my mind when reading old forum posts elsewhere and coming across someone mentioning they felt Jup in kendra in own sign even is a malefic because of K.Dosha.
Very interesting information elipsis,
so when you say we must look for the 3rd house from the kendra house, do we simply check strength of that house / affliction by malefics, strength and position of it's lord, etc. ?
and what if the house lord is in the kendra, ex: 12th lord in 10th , or 9th lord in 7th, etc. so the lord+house are 3/11 from one another?
And pink1, I do think there's more to the story than just the jupiter in kendra...
like I said, the person has not had any successful relationship yet, and often rubs people wrong in business dealings, he's been fired/kicked out of a few groups he tried joining in work. ... Not the type of thing I'd think a benefic Jupiter in own sign in 7th would cause. (mostly the lack of any good romantic relationship)
Sept 9 1972
1:17am
Toronto, Ontario (canada)
there's the details in case you want to check.
I haven't dove much into his chart, it just came to my mind when reading old forum posts elsewhere and coming across someone mentioning they felt Jup in kendra in own sign even is a malefic because of K.Dosha.
You must check which lord is favourably placed, the 3rd becomes the challenger for the kendra therefore its position must be weaker but not weak enough so that it affects all the other areas of your life. Like 4L meets 6L to challenge it therefore in order for 4th to win it has to be favourably supported by friendly planets or the 6th lord itself must be afflicted by its inimical planets.GNE wrote:Thanks for the reply's,
Very interesting information elipsis,
so when you say we must look for the 3rd house from the kendra house, do we simply check strength of that house / affliction by malefics, strength and position of it's lord, etc. ?
and what if the house lord is in the kendra, ex: 12th lord in 10th , or 9th lord in 7th, etc. so the lord+house are 3/11 from one another?
In summary,
a. the kendra lord must be supported by friendly planets
b. or the challenger planet must be positioned in favour of the kendra lord. Like 9th or 5th from a kendra lord.
c. or the challenger planet must be afflicted by its enemies.
As I said before any planet joining kendra alone is bad as it affects the personality so 12L in the 10th makes one very charitable, one wishes to live like a hermit....so the 10L must over power its placement by positioning itself in a stronger house, like 11th house from 12L or the trine. Or it can join friendly lords in any house.
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Hi GNE,
- you must be knowing by now that i use sayana
- looked into his chart. Saturn 7th and 8th lord in the 12th aspected by 6th lord jupiter.
- 10th lord mars bashed by budha 3 & 12 lord. 2nd house afflicted by jupiter and saturn.
- What else can be expected other than what u wrote.
-pink1
- you must be knowing by now that i use sayana
- looked into his chart. Saturn 7th and 8th lord in the 12th aspected by 6th lord jupiter.
- 10th lord mars bashed by budha 3 & 12 lord. 2nd house afflicted by jupiter and saturn.
- What else can be expected other than what u wrote.
-pink1
Thanks for that elipsis.
In my case, gemini lagna, I have 12th lord venus in 10th (with mercury), but then 10th lord is in 8th, 11th to the 12th lord... though I guess it's effects are considered weaker than 12th lord since it's debilitated in 8th from lagna, meanwhile 12thlords exalted.
I can say what you said: 12 in 10 makes one very charitable, one wishes to live like a hermit is absolutely true in my case.
pink1, I had no idea you used sayana.
I didn't know anyone except Ernst Whilhelm did.
well, using new ayanamsa that would elminiate his Jupiter in sag in kendra,
and like you said he has other afflictions in sayana that explain his situation for sure.
7 lord in 12th aspected by 6th lord almost is enough ...
and most woman he did date for a bit were all a different race than his own.
Though use of sayana this would be another notch in the whole "ayanamsa debate" that I was involved in many times (asking forum members about it a while ago)
for instance in sayana, I still have 12th lord in tenth, but now my tenth lord is in parivartana with 11th lord who is in the tenth(and 10th L in 11th).
I'm not married to any ayanamsa and willing to test out anyone (including sayana) if it appears to be working the best.
Currently I feel Fagan ayanamsa fits people I know more, though that is only when getting into divisional chart reading(hasn't changed anyone rasi chart yet..)*
*(using only people I know in real life. As fagan does change various celebrity rasi's... Modi's for instance..)
In my case, gemini lagna, I have 12th lord venus in 10th (with mercury), but then 10th lord is in 8th, 11th to the 12th lord... though I guess it's effects are considered weaker than 12th lord since it's debilitated in 8th from lagna, meanwhile 12thlords exalted.
I can say what you said: 12 in 10 makes one very charitable, one wishes to live like a hermit is absolutely true in my case.
pink1, I had no idea you used sayana.
I didn't know anyone except Ernst Whilhelm did.
well, using new ayanamsa that would elminiate his Jupiter in sag in kendra,
and like you said he has other afflictions in sayana that explain his situation for sure.
7 lord in 12th aspected by 6th lord almost is enough ...
and most woman he did date for a bit were all a different race than his own.
Though use of sayana this would be another notch in the whole "ayanamsa debate" that I was involved in many times (asking forum members about it a while ago)
for instance in sayana, I still have 12th lord in tenth, but now my tenth lord is in parivartana with 11th lord who is in the tenth(and 10th L in 11th).
I'm not married to any ayanamsa and willing to test out anyone (including sayana) if it appears to be working the best.
Currently I feel Fagan ayanamsa fits people I know more, though that is only when getting into divisional chart reading(hasn't changed anyone rasi chart yet..)*
*(using only people I know in real life. As fagan does change various celebrity rasi's... Modi's for instance..)
Yeah, mercury being negative lord in that chart if using sayan, though it's still good in general (the parivartana) even if less than perfect.
I find one can look at pretty much any chart and find how almost everything is being affected in some way and goods reduced, even in celebrities (if we don't try and only look for good things because we know they're already successful)
Though with you using Sayan, it makes me bring up the dreaded "ayanamsa discussion" again.
if you're correct in sayan, then others using Lahiri (for example) are incorrect. As everyone's charts change quite drastically between the two.
Do you feel Lahiri is incorrect?
(I'm willing to test any ayanamsa. I'm just wondering why you pick sayan)
because if so, then couldn't one say that they then think sayan is wrong?
what if someone used jhora's author settings and used Pushya-Paksha? etc
I find one can look at pretty much any chart and find how almost everything is being affected in some way and goods reduced, even in celebrities (if we don't try and only look for good things because we know they're already successful)
Though with you using Sayan, it makes me bring up the dreaded "ayanamsa discussion" again.
if you're correct in sayan, then others using Lahiri (for example) are incorrect. As everyone's charts change quite drastically between the two.
Do you feel Lahiri is incorrect?
(I'm willing to test any ayanamsa. I'm just wondering why you pick sayan)
because if so, then couldn't one say that they then think sayan is wrong?
what if someone used jhora's author settings and used Pushya-Paksha? etc
Pink1,
I didn't mean to say you were saying other ways are incorrect,
Just to me, saying sayan was working the best pretty much makes it "correct", and thus other ayanamsa are "incorrect".
I don't believe there can be both, otherwise astrology really looses power, if people can make the same predictions with two completely different charts that have different ascendants, navamsa, yogas, jaimini karaka's, arudha pada's, dasha's, etc.
I mean the change between sayan and lahiri is quite large compared to someone using lahiri vs. fagan or chandra hari, or even raman vs pushya paksha, etc.
Not that sayan is incorrect, of course I dont know the answer. And I am no authority to say.
If it's working for you then great.
I just would need to do more research into it before accepting.
It certainly fit my friend in the way where it got rid of his jupiter in own sign in 7th...
But then I see other celebrity charts that appear much weaker or lose the yogas that people like KN Rao, sanjay rath,etc. used to explain the persons success.
Any chart with a Mahabhagya yoga (like mine in lahiri) for instance looses that yoga, since for sure one or all of the ascendant,sun or moon would shift forward a sign and go from an odd to even numbered sign (or vice versa).
People with debilitated venus would all get venus in libra in own sign (of course unless it was over 24 degrees in virgo to begin with). etc.
Anyway,
Thanks for the opinion and reply initially.
I didn't mean to say you were saying other ways are incorrect,
Just to me, saying sayan was working the best pretty much makes it "correct", and thus other ayanamsa are "incorrect".
I don't believe there can be both, otherwise astrology really looses power, if people can make the same predictions with two completely different charts that have different ascendants, navamsa, yogas, jaimini karaka's, arudha pada's, dasha's, etc.
I mean the change between sayan and lahiri is quite large compared to someone using lahiri vs. fagan or chandra hari, or even raman vs pushya paksha, etc.
Not that sayan is incorrect, of course I dont know the answer. And I am no authority to say.
If it's working for you then great.
I just would need to do more research into it before accepting.
It certainly fit my friend in the way where it got rid of his jupiter in own sign in 7th...
But then I see other celebrity charts that appear much weaker or lose the yogas that people like KN Rao, sanjay rath,etc. used to explain the persons success.
Any chart with a Mahabhagya yoga (like mine in lahiri) for instance looses that yoga, since for sure one or all of the ascendant,sun or moon would shift forward a sign and go from an odd to even numbered sign (or vice versa).
People with debilitated venus would all get venus in libra in own sign (of course unless it was over 24 degrees in virgo to begin with). etc.
Anyway,
Thanks for the opinion and reply initially.
hey, I checked a friends chart, who in other ayanamsa they have a "Srinath" yoga (Sag lagna, with mer+sun in tenth house).
apparently this yoga causes a conch or shell-shaped birth marking on the knee or behind it, or on the thigh ... they have this,
but in sayan they lose that yoga, which they believe is the cause of their birth marking on the leg/knee (I forgot where exactly...I'd need to ask again).
I remember elipsis - the member who also replied in this thread, (bringing their chart up as they were a part of this thread and might be able to chime in and correct me if I'm wrong?) They mentioned they have that yoga (Sag lagna, mer+sun in tenth).
But thats only one yoga/chart of course, I just felt to bring it up since elipsis was in this thread.
Another thing is people with Sag jupiter in lahiri (or fagan, raman,etc..unless it was at 0-1 degree) end up with a Debilitated jupiter in sayan.
thats a night and day difference... do you find charts like this end up gaining something in sayan to make up for the loss of something like Jup in own sign in lagna(in lahiri) ?
example: http://www.astrosage.com/celebrity-horo ... -chart.asp
(his times AA confirmed on astrology rodden's rating site)
apparently this yoga causes a conch or shell-shaped birth marking on the knee or behind it, or on the thigh ... they have this,
but in sayan they lose that yoga, which they believe is the cause of their birth marking on the leg/knee (I forgot where exactly...I'd need to ask again).
I remember elipsis - the member who also replied in this thread, (bringing their chart up as they were a part of this thread and might be able to chime in and correct me if I'm wrong?) They mentioned they have that yoga (Sag lagna, mer+sun in tenth).
But thats only one yoga/chart of course, I just felt to bring it up since elipsis was in this thread.
Another thing is people with Sag jupiter in lahiri (or fagan, raman,etc..unless it was at 0-1 degree) end up with a Debilitated jupiter in sayan.
thats a night and day difference... do you find charts like this end up gaining something in sayan to make up for the loss of something like Jup in own sign in lagna(in lahiri) ?
example: http://www.astrosage.com/celebrity-horo ... -chart.asp
(his times AA confirmed on astrology rodden's rating site)
My friends,
but I don't have elipsis' if thats who you mean. (though my guess is it's not who you meant anyway..)
up to him if he replies here with his opinion on things or not.
Otherwise I'd like to try out paul newman's and explain his success, since a book aswell article I have from this site on actors used his chart and praised his saraswati + Hamsa yoga / raj yogas in ascendant as prime reason for bigtime celebrity sucess (and the fact they were aspected by exalted 3rd lord, for media career).
check PM
thanks
but I don't have elipsis' if thats who you mean. (though my guess is it's not who you meant anyway..)
up to him if he replies here with his opinion on things or not.
Otherwise I'd like to try out paul newman's and explain his success, since a book aswell article I have from this site on actors used his chart and praised his saraswati + Hamsa yoga / raj yogas in ascendant as prime reason for bigtime celebrity sucess (and the fact they were aspected by exalted 3rd lord, for media career).
check PM
thanks
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BrahmKumar
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Hi,
Why don't you see the room in the elephant. Rahu, if you consider the qualities and attributes of Rahu, check in the seventh house, affairs with people from different races, cheating, brushing with people all are coming from Rahu.
Anyone else?
BK
Why don't you see the room in the elephant. Rahu, if you consider the qualities and attributes of Rahu, check in the seventh house, affairs with people from different races, cheating, brushing with people all are coming from Rahu.
Anyone else?
BK
Hey BrahmKumar,
are you replying in the correct thread?
Sorry just Im a bit lost as to what you meant by affairs/cheating with people of different races.
You mean my friends chart (the one with Jupiter in sag in 7th, using Lahiri/fagan ayanamsa) ?
Thanks
are you replying in the correct thread?
Sorry just Im a bit lost as to what you meant by affairs/cheating with people of different races.
You mean my friends chart (the one with Jupiter in sag in 7th, using Lahiri/fagan ayanamsa) ?
Thanks
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BrahmKumar
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Hello GNE,
Yes, I was actually replying to this thread, about your friend who is having jupiter in Sagittarius in seventh house along with Rahu. Sorry, if I was abrupt. I generally go with the default setting in JHora, and it gave me Jup with Rahu in Sag in seventh. To me it's clear that Rahu is giving him all the bad associations. He is smoke, oily things, strange, foreign and taboo things.
Hope I am right, if someone can also comment.
Thanks
BK
Yes, I was actually replying to this thread, about your friend who is having jupiter in Sagittarius in seventh house along with Rahu. Sorry, if I was abrupt. I generally go with the default setting in JHora, and it gave me Jup with Rahu in Sag in seventh. To me it's clear that Rahu is giving him all the bad associations. He is smoke, oily things, strange, foreign and taboo things.
Hope I am right, if someone can also comment.
Thanks
BK
Ah, okay, thanks for explaining. Makes sense.
I dont know what setting I was using, I thought they were default , or maybe I have a different jhora version...well, who knows. But yes, we'll see if anyone else comments.
if someone else also says they see rahu in 7th then I'll assume my settings were wrong.
The woman he has dated have all been of foreign race than his own.
I dont know what setting I was using, I thought they were default , or maybe I have a different jhora version...well, who knows. But yes, we'll see if anyone else comments.
if someone else also says they see rahu in 7th then I'll assume my settings were wrong.
The woman he has dated have all been of foreign race than his own.
