Hi Learned Members
I just read Hanuman is the avatar of Lord Shiva.
Since Rama is the avatar of Lord Vishnu, it follows that Shiva sometimes helps Vishnu (anyway all the three trinities are actually one) in his earthly tasks.
Mars actually also stands for Hanuman. That is why Mars help Sun in the execution of tasks since Sun represents Vishnu.
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Hock Leong
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vikram_ultimate
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Hi Khoo,
This is not right,according to Dvaita philosophy Hanuman is an avatar of Vayu or the breath that we all breathe,Shiva is Rudra...there is something known as Gradation of souls or Taratamya
http://nharipra.wordpress.com/parampare/taratamya/
The taratamya is explained in the above link but still :
The Taratamya or hierarchy amongst Ishvara and Jivas.
I) Maha Vishnu or Narayana or Paramatma
II) Maha Lakshmi
Brahma, Vayu
Saraswati, Bharati
Gaurda, Shesha, Rudra---Here the Rudra is Shiva and Hanuman is not the 11th avatar of Rudra,but actually Ashvatthama of Mahabharata fame was an amsha of Rudra
This is not right,according to Dvaita philosophy Hanuman is an avatar of Vayu or the breath that we all breathe,Shiva is Rudra...there is something known as Gradation of souls or Taratamya
http://nharipra.wordpress.com/parampare/taratamya/
The taratamya is explained in the above link but still :
The Taratamya or hierarchy amongst Ishvara and Jivas.
I) Maha Vishnu or Narayana or Paramatma
II) Maha Lakshmi
Brahma, Vayu
Saraswati, Bharati
Gaurda, Shesha, Rudra---Here the Rudra is Shiva and Hanuman is not the 11th avatar of Rudra,but actually Ashvatthama of Mahabharata fame was an amsha of Rudra
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hiimnotcool
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Dude, what are you talking about?
All of your posts revolve around your chart for the past few years.....then suddenly your Lagna changes by rectification and all those things changes. Then you try to explain them away by the divisional charts.
Let us be honest....you are grasping at very thin straws. I think a lot of members here are starting to realize that.
All of your posts revolve around your chart for the past few years.....then suddenly your Lagna changes by rectification and all those things changes. Then you try to explain them away by the divisional charts.
Let us be honest....you are grasping at very thin straws. I think a lot of members here are starting to realize that.
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Khoo Hock Leong
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The chart rectification only change some aspects of my chart but not all of it.
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hiimnotcool
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Of course. A different lagna would change some of my aspects but not all of it.
I just wish for once you would be humble. You constantly speak of YOUR chart but never anyone else's. It is honestly ridiculous. You have GREAT information and wisdome to provide to the community, but you are much too self centered. You may not even noticed this. It must be your Indu Lagna shining through. Such is the way the world perceives you correct?
I just wish for once you would be humble. You constantly speak of YOUR chart but never anyone else's. It is honestly ridiculous. You have GREAT information and wisdome to provide to the community, but you are much too self centered. You may not even noticed this. It must be your Indu Lagna shining through. Such is the way the world perceives you correct?
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Vikram_Ultimate
Actually I am not talking about Rudra. Of course the 11 avatars of Rudra are already fixed being so famous.
What I read from the web was that Hanuman is the incarnation of Shiva. You said another character in Mahahabrata is already an incarnation of Rudra, right?
Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu is energy and fire especially Shiva ........the spawning process can run multiple paths.........just like Shiva gave birth to a lot of demons from his body (I quote demons here as an example of a spiritual entity recited in the Puranas).
Actually I am not talking about Rudra. Of course the 11 avatars of Rudra are already fixed being so famous.
What I read from the web was that Hanuman is the incarnation of Shiva. You said another character in Mahahabrata is already an incarnation of Rudra, right?
Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu is energy and fire especially Shiva ........the spawning process can run multiple paths.........just like Shiva gave birth to a lot of demons from his body (I quote demons here as an example of a spiritual entity recited in the Puranas).
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Khoo Hock Leong
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I would not call that self-centred by the way.
I like to pass knowledge.......and the only person to know oneself the best is oneself.......the best and easiest way to pass knowledge. That is my way and you should respect that. If you do not feel like reading it, then don't read it.
By the way I have taken great pains to explain the Tithyamsa Chart for the benefit of readers. That's how it is. So? Mercury is about being flexible in Astrology as I have stated in an earlier post whereas the Sun's knowledge of astrology is immense backed by the wisdom of Jupiter. So the learning process is continuous.
I like to pass knowledge.......and the only person to know oneself the best is oneself.......the best and easiest way to pass knowledge. That is my way and you should respect that. If you do not feel like reading it, then don't read it.
By the way I have taken great pains to explain the Tithyamsa Chart for the benefit of readers. That's how it is. So? Mercury is about being flexible in Astrology as I have stated in an earlier post whereas the Sun's knowledge of astrology is immense backed by the wisdom of Jupiter. So the learning process is continuous.
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vikram_ultimate
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Hi Khoo,
U r right the web is full of information that Hanuman is an incarnation of Shiva but that is false,actually speaking this information was spread by Adi Sankaracharya who was an incarnation of Manimantha(Daitya).He was defetaed by Bheemasena in the Mahabharata war and he took an oath that he would defeat Bheema through Tattva rather than raw power.So he spread false propaganda about Shiva.
Vayu has had three incarnations Hanuman,Bheemasena,Madhvacharya.So madhvacharya descended on to Earth so as prove Sankaracharya's tattva as wrong.
I was not saying ur info was wrong but just saying that without understanding Taratamya properly it is very difficult to attain Moksha.Logically speaking the most important thing on earth for living beings is Breath or Air,so Vayu has to be at the top.
The present Brahma will attain Moksha after his 100 years and then the present Vayu will become Brahma and so onn
U r right the web is full of information that Hanuman is an incarnation of Shiva but that is false,actually speaking this information was spread by Adi Sankaracharya who was an incarnation of Manimantha(Daitya).He was defetaed by Bheemasena in the Mahabharata war and he took an oath that he would defeat Bheema through Tattva rather than raw power.So he spread false propaganda about Shiva.
Vayu has had three incarnations Hanuman,Bheemasena,Madhvacharya.So madhvacharya descended on to Earth so as prove Sankaracharya's tattva as wrong.
I was not saying ur info was wrong but just saying that without understanding Taratamya properly it is very difficult to attain Moksha.Logically speaking the most important thing on earth for living beings is Breath or Air,so Vayu has to be at the top.
The present Brahma will attain Moksha after his 100 years and then the present Vayu will become Brahma and so onn
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KET
khoo
You are roght.. Hanuman is avatar of Shiva... rudra is one of the avatar of Lord Shiva
Adi Shankaracharya nothing to do with..... Bhagatpada himself reincarnation of Shiva and Goddess
Shiva has been helping Lord Vishnu in Vishnu avatat
.Mars.... Karthokeya... Son of Lord Shiva
Regds
You are roght.. Hanuman is avatar of Shiva... rudra is one of the avatar of Lord Shiva
Adi Shankaracharya nothing to do with..... Bhagatpada himself reincarnation of Shiva and Goddess
Shiva has been helping Lord Vishnu in Vishnu avatat
.Mars.... Karthokeya... Son of Lord Shiva
Regds
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hiimnotcool
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i understand very clearly sir. i have gleaned many truths from your writings and appreciate them very much. but i have also, through intuition/judgement realizes that you post many things that simply are not true.Khoo Hock Leong wrote:I would not call that self-centred by the way.
I like to pass knowledge.......and the only person to know oneself the best is oneself.......the best and easiest way to pass knowledge. That is my way and you should respect that. If you do not feel like reading it, then don't read it.
By the way I have taken great pains to explain the Tithyamsa Chart for the benefit of readers. That's how it is. So? Mercury is about being flexible in Astrology as I have stated in an earlier post whereas the Sun's knowledge of astrology is immense backed by the wisdom of Jupiter. So the learning process is continuous.
I like reading your new forum posts, and I enjoy reading your responses to peoples questions. I have learned a lot from you.
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vikram_ultimate
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No absolutely not your inference ,your thought is wrong,Hanuman is an incarnation of Vayu he was known as Vayu putra and not Shiv putra sorry cant help if people are in ignorance 
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KET
Khoo
There is a big story of Hanuman how he was born
I am making it short.... Sage Kashyaba made strong penchant for Lord Shiva in Mt.Kailas with Agni and Vayu devatas in presence. Lord Shiva pleased.... asked for boon.. Sage requested Shiva to be born his Child. Lord Shiva said.. I will be born as Hanuman..... with Agni and Vayu helping me as Hanuman in Anjana womb
Lord Shiva and Goddess Parvati fluid was carried by Agni and Vayu and placed. in Anjana, Hanuman's mother womb... She delibered baby as Anjaneya, Hanuman, Shiva putea, Vayuputra name
Sometimes ppl worship Lord Vishnu... will be ignorant of Lord Shiva and will not accept Shiva Purana and Adi Shankaracharya's great work to mankind
There is a big story of Hanuman how he was born
I am making it short.... Sage Kashyaba made strong penchant for Lord Shiva in Mt.Kailas with Agni and Vayu devatas in presence. Lord Shiva pleased.... asked for boon.. Sage requested Shiva to be born his Child. Lord Shiva said.. I will be born as Hanuman..... with Agni and Vayu helping me as Hanuman in Anjana womb
Lord Shiva and Goddess Parvati fluid was carried by Agni and Vayu and placed. in Anjana, Hanuman's mother womb... She delibered baby as Anjaneya, Hanuman, Shiva putea, Vayuputra name
Sometimes ppl worship Lord Vishnu... will be ignorant of Lord Shiva and will not accept Shiva Purana and Adi Shankaracharya's great work to mankind
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Khoo Hock Leong
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Thanks vikram_ultimate and Ketu for the information.
And thanks Ketu for keeping the record straight. I always have that insight in Astrology of being right without knowing the details.....but vikram_ultimate thanks to you too for generating the discussion and the other knowledge which I can glean.
And thanks Ketu for keeping the record straight. I always have that insight in Astrology of being right without knowing the details.....but vikram_ultimate thanks to you too for generating the discussion and the other knowledge which I can glean.
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Sometimes ppl worship Lord Vishnu... will be ignorant of Lord Shiva and will not accept Shiva Purana and Adi Shankaracharya's great work to mankind
Sorry to say but people who worship Vishnu never are ignorant about Shiva dont forget that Madhvacharya himself has asked people to chant Om Namah Shivaya 5 times into the number of times the Gayatri Mantra is chanted.So we too know the importance of Shiva otherwise he wouldnt be in the taratamya level of Garuda,Shesha ,Rudra So again I am saying Hanuman is not an incarnation of Shiva but of Vayu Read the taratamya link with a clan mind and u will understand what I am trying to say remember Vishnu devotees worship Shiva more than probably the Lord Shiva devotees themselves...dont forget that Adi Sankaracharya has given great things but still the tattva is wrong ....
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Talking about Tattva, if you notice Jupiter is karaka for the 11th and Mars is karaka for the 3rd.
This shows that Mars has some airiness in him.
I am always puzzle why Mars is the karaka of the 3rd being a fiery planet. Now I know. And I also realize why 3rd is linked to the 9th (which I mention in an earlier post 3 x 3 = 9). That is why Mars has a dharmic quality in it from the fact of the 3rd house alone, and not only the fact about its airy element.
This shows that Mars has some airiness in him.
I am always puzzle why Mars is the karaka of the 3rd being a fiery planet. Now I know. And I also realize why 3rd is linked to the 9th (which I mention in an earlier post 3 x 3 = 9). That is why Mars has a dharmic quality in it from the fact of the 3rd house alone, and not only the fact about its airy element.
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vikram_ultimate
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Hi Khoo,
Must be right I am running Mars antardasha so maybe I am trying to fight for the tattva as Mars is in 4th house in Saggitarius
Must be right I am running Mars antardasha so maybe I am trying to fight for the tattva
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Khoo...
Sorry I am back...
What kind of link been presented for some unbelievable tonaccept... saying vaya putra descended etc
Let's come back to Hanuman, we will come back to Ashwattama and Vayu
As I said.. Hanuman is avatar of Lord Shiva, 11th... Rudrar now here some one accepting Hanuman as Vayu putra, which I don't dispute, as I said in my earlier post... how vayu( medium) placed frozen embryo( with agni's help) from fusion of Lord Shiva's and Goddess Parvati fluid in Anjaneya's womb...... Shiv Purana, Skanda Purana..... exercepts
Now Narada Purana..... Narada great Bhakt of Lord Vishnu...... I am cutting short this tale..... Narada cursed Lord Vishnu for Lord Vishnu cursed Narada.... Narada said you will take help of a monkey for any kind of your mission in your avatar, when Lord Ram avatar was to begin. Lord vishnu informed Narada that your curse is blessing in disguise as Lord Shiva will be born as Hanuman, without his avatar my mission cannot complete....... Lord Vishnu himself said Hanuman is Lord Shiva
Regarding Ashwattama.... another sanjivani, eternal like Hanuman, ( here I don'twant to tell tale of last day war of Mahabarath).... Ashwattama seeing his friend slained by Bheema and his father Drona killed by Arjuna.... planned to kill at midnight all the warriors of Pandhavas. This is against ethics of war. Lord Krishna came to know about this plan... and he asked all the warriors to encircle pandavas including Draupadi who was pregnant. Ashwattama is a great Shiv Bhakt... that night... he invoked Lord Shiva to bless him in his act... Shiva said you can slain warriors... I will give boon but Pandavas.. Lord Krishna is with them..... Midnight... Ashwattama along with Kripar... with empty hand and sword attacked all the warriors and killed them with his hands. Yudhister enquired with Lord Krishna about Aswattama's act.. Lord Krishna said he has blessings of Lord Shiva and he is avenging the killing of his father and his friend.
Only two ppl in Mahabarath knows how to send Brahmsaastra and retrieve back if not needed. Karna and Arjun... they learnt from Drona, Drona educated his son Ashwattama to use Brahmaastra but he did not teach him how to retrieve back
As Lord Krishna was between him and Pandavas... he lifted a gras and chanted Brahmaastra mantra for Brahmaastra to attack pandavas... Brahmaastram is a powerful astra....... Lord Krishna obeyed to mantra.... the astra was reaching Pandavas...Ved vyasar.. directed the astra to roam around in... since sender Ashwattama doesn't know how to retrieve harmlessly.. therefor Krishna/ Vedvyasar directed that astra to attack the pregnant womb... Lord Krishna cursed Ashwattama.... for this act of Brahmahatya... you will wander around the world.... till I meet you in next avatar for relief
Vayu is devata.... again one of the Son of Kashyaba rishi
Let us take exercpts from Puranas... Shiv, Skanda,Mahabarath, Narada etc.... not from some kind of link in web... which is personally feel utter rubbish.
Like Astrology... Puranas has to be learnt from a teacher or a discourses well versed with slokas in connecting puranic stories and not from this web link
Regds
Sorry I am back...
What kind of link been presented for some unbelievable tonaccept... saying vaya putra descended etc
Let's come back to Hanuman, we will come back to Ashwattama and Vayu
As I said.. Hanuman is avatar of Lord Shiva, 11th... Rudrar now here some one accepting Hanuman as Vayu putra, which I don't dispute, as I said in my earlier post... how vayu( medium) placed frozen embryo( with agni's help) from fusion of Lord Shiva's and Goddess Parvati fluid in Anjaneya's womb...... Shiv Purana, Skanda Purana..... exercepts
Now Narada Purana..... Narada great Bhakt of Lord Vishnu...... I am cutting short this tale..... Narada cursed Lord Vishnu for Lord Vishnu cursed Narada.... Narada said you will take help of a monkey for any kind of your mission in your avatar, when Lord Ram avatar was to begin. Lord vishnu informed Narada that your curse is blessing in disguise as Lord Shiva will be born as Hanuman, without his avatar my mission cannot complete....... Lord Vishnu himself said Hanuman is Lord Shiva
Regarding Ashwattama.... another sanjivani, eternal like Hanuman, ( here I don'twant to tell tale of last day war of Mahabarath).... Ashwattama seeing his friend slained by Bheema and his father Drona killed by Arjuna.... planned to kill at midnight all the warriors of Pandhavas. This is against ethics of war. Lord Krishna came to know about this plan... and he asked all the warriors to encircle pandavas including Draupadi who was pregnant. Ashwattama is a great Shiv Bhakt... that night... he invoked Lord Shiva to bless him in his act... Shiva said you can slain warriors... I will give boon but Pandavas.. Lord Krishna is with them..... Midnight... Ashwattama along with Kripar... with empty hand and sword attacked all the warriors and killed them with his hands. Yudhister enquired with Lord Krishna about Aswattama's act.. Lord Krishna said he has blessings of Lord Shiva and he is avenging the killing of his father and his friend.
Only two ppl in Mahabarath knows how to send Brahmsaastra and retrieve back if not needed. Karna and Arjun... they learnt from Drona, Drona educated his son Ashwattama to use Brahmaastra but he did not teach him how to retrieve back
As Lord Krishna was between him and Pandavas... he lifted a gras and chanted Brahmaastra mantra for Brahmaastra to attack pandavas... Brahmaastram is a powerful astra....... Lord Krishna obeyed to mantra.... the astra was reaching Pandavas...Ved vyasar.. directed the astra to roam around in... since sender Ashwattama doesn't know how to retrieve harmlessly.. therefor Krishna/ Vedvyasar directed that astra to attack the pregnant womb... Lord Krishna cursed Ashwattama.... for this act of Brahmahatya... you will wander around the world.... till I meet you in next avatar for relief
Vayu is devata.... again one of the Son of Kashyaba rishi
Let us take exercpts from Puranas... Shiv, Skanda,Mahabarath, Narada etc.... not from some kind of link in web... which is personally feel utter rubbish.
Like Astrology... Puranas has to be learnt from a teacher or a discourses well versed with slokas in connecting puranic stories and not from this web link
Regds
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vikram_ultimate
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Makes no sense ,rudra is a gradation or kaksha as we say but your statement is highly,,,mind you highly incorrect Rudra is not an avatar of Lord Shiva ,You are roght.. Hanuman is avatar of Shiva... rudra is one of the avatar of Lord Shiva
Dont forget
vaishnavam yatha shambhu
So Lord Shiva himself is meditating on Vishnu and not the other way round
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Khoo Hock Leong
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Thanks KET and Vikram.
KET, thanks also for endeavouring to post a separate thread in detail. Much appreciated.
KET, also I get what you mean in the first instance. The trouble with the concept of the gradations of the soul is that it does not take into account that Hanuman has a soul that is a mixture of essences, one of which is Shiva.
KET, thanks also for endeavouring to post a separate thread in detail. Much appreciated.
KET, also I get what you mean in the first instance. The trouble with the concept of the gradations of the soul is that it does not take into account that Hanuman has a soul that is a mixture of essences, one of which is Shiva.
