Hi Astrologers,
I'm not sure if this query is in the right area but hopefully it will answer questions others might have regarding destiny and marriage.
Recently I have been very stressed with regards to marriage prospects in the future as I've just separated from a long term partner and whilst trying to decipher my chart with the help of some very kind people here, I can't help but think the spouse seen in my chart has been and gone. Can this happen?
Background:
All the indications from my chart and his except one (regarding caste) seem to coincide with him but at this point he sees no future together and claims we will only ever be friends. I think both our estimations of time of marriage occur at similar times too.
So my query is, are events in our charts destined to happen no matter what the situation? Apologies if my thoughts offend anyone, I'm just trying to understand things from a philosophical aspect.
Also what is defined as a marriage in astrology?
I very much appreciate any views on this.
Views on destiny and marriage.
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Dear Saggasc ji,
Astrologically, spouse is spouse and friend is friend. Unless the society approved of the relationship (through law or general acceptance i.e. having witnesses in any form such as people, fire etc.) it is not a 7th house phenomenon. It can still be termed as a near-marriage experience but its just that "an experience close to marriage".
Now some events are destined to happen no matter what the situation, others may/may not happen and depend on the native's effort/lack thereof.
Philosophical Explanation:
We humans want to rationalize events experienced and sometimes resort to "the meant to happen/destiny explanation". This is a one stop shop for "rationalizing anything". Now Astrologically this (i.e. reading destiny) is a tricky subject with very fine lines/rules which are to be applied as-is. These rules when applied outside context leads to situations where one can "rationalize anything" and hence conclude "it was meant to be" (even if it wasn't)
So may be it was meant to be or may be not - the point is in the situation you are in if you really want to get help of Astrology find a traditional trustworthy Astrologer (and not the run of the mill Astrologer or the Temple Priest). I say this because most people you will be dealing with (even though trying to help Astrologically to learn themselves) jump the fine lines/rules and hence "rationalize anything". Some of what you would be told would be very accurate, some not so accurate, and some completely off. Why? Because anything can only have a certain set of outcomes so some readings will always fit while other won't. In that case one concentrates on the "very accurate" part and hence "rationalize" the event experienced as "meant to happen/destiny". Well then what about the parts that did not match? This is generally an outcome of jumping fine lines. Even if you deal with someone genuine, you really don't know that (i.e. online) and is it the right time to figure out who is genuine? And if you don't know it is genuine then you don't know if the event can be tied to destiny. So it only helps if you are just looking for moral support in general but take Astrological readings with a pinch of salt. Try telling you won 5 crore lottery, and a convincing Astrological explanation shall follow (by jumping...)
In Short:
You are in a fragile situation right now, please lean to people you trust. If they are not available try not to get Astrological help from Internet or otherwise unless the Astrologer has a proven track record and you trust him/her in person. And be done with it in one or two readings. Even though there is always a chance you may find a trustworthy person online in the first go but it is a rare happening, statistically speaking. And this is probably not the right time (stressful) to go against the statistic. Okay this wasn't really that short.
Rathore
Astrologically, spouse is spouse and friend is friend. Unless the society approved of the relationship (through law or general acceptance i.e. having witnesses in any form such as people, fire etc.) it is not a 7th house phenomenon. It can still be termed as a near-marriage experience but its just that "an experience close to marriage".
Now some events are destined to happen no matter what the situation, others may/may not happen and depend on the native's effort/lack thereof.
Philosophical Explanation:
We humans want to rationalize events experienced and sometimes resort to "the meant to happen/destiny explanation". This is a one stop shop for "rationalizing anything". Now Astrologically this (i.e. reading destiny) is a tricky subject with very fine lines/rules which are to be applied as-is. These rules when applied outside context leads to situations where one can "rationalize anything" and hence conclude "it was meant to be" (even if it wasn't)
So may be it was meant to be or may be not - the point is in the situation you are in if you really want to get help of Astrology find a traditional trustworthy Astrologer (and not the run of the mill Astrologer or the Temple Priest). I say this because most people you will be dealing with (even though trying to help Astrologically to learn themselves) jump the fine lines/rules and hence "rationalize anything". Some of what you would be told would be very accurate, some not so accurate, and some completely off. Why? Because anything can only have a certain set of outcomes so some readings will always fit while other won't. In that case one concentrates on the "very accurate" part and hence "rationalize" the event experienced as "meant to happen/destiny". Well then what about the parts that did not match? This is generally an outcome of jumping fine lines. Even if you deal with someone genuine, you really don't know that (i.e. online) and is it the right time to figure out who is genuine? And if you don't know it is genuine then you don't know if the event can be tied to destiny. So it only helps if you are just looking for moral support in general but take Astrological readings with a pinch of salt. Try telling you won 5 crore lottery, and a convincing Astrological explanation shall follow (by jumping...)
In Short:
You are in a fragile situation right now, please lean to people you trust. If they are not available try not to get Astrological help from Internet or otherwise unless the Astrologer has a proven track record and you trust him/her in person. And be done with it in one or two readings. Even though there is always a chance you may find a trustworthy person online in the first go but it is a rare happening, statistically speaking. And this is probably not the right time (stressful) to go against the statistic. Okay this wasn't really that short.
Rathore
Thank you Rathore for your message!!
I think I worded my background wrong; I meant we were in a love relationship but he now sees our future as friends only.
But yes I completely agree that finding an astrologer who is genuine is must. Incidentally it was visiting one that told me many things about my past that were very accurate for my family and I, but unfortunately this came at price, hence I came to this forum to try understand it myself.
I think the whole free will and destiny combination is quite confusing; for example in my position hypothetically speaking if the spouse seen in my chart is my ex-partner and his free will is not to be together then does everything related to my marriage in the chart become irrelevant?
I think a lot of people look to astrology in times of need but information on the background of it is also important in how to deal with what you find out.
As with my situation, I did what you said and rationalised the situation and just claimed it wasn't meant to be but I think that's somehow helping me at the moment. I think it's important to understand the theoretical aspects like this to support readings as one can be very consumed in what they find out.
Saggasc
I think I worded my background wrong; I meant we were in a love relationship but he now sees our future as friends only.
But yes I completely agree that finding an astrologer who is genuine is must. Incidentally it was visiting one that told me many things about my past that were very accurate for my family and I, but unfortunately this came at price, hence I came to this forum to try understand it myself.
I think the whole free will and destiny combination is quite confusing; for example in my position hypothetically speaking if the spouse seen in my chart is my ex-partner and his free will is not to be together then does everything related to my marriage in the chart become irrelevant?
I think a lot of people look to astrology in times of need but information on the background of it is also important in how to deal with what you find out.
As with my situation, I did what you said and rationalised the situation and just claimed it wasn't meant to be but I think that's somehow helping me at the moment. I think it's important to understand the theoretical aspects like this to support readings as one can be very consumed in what they find out.
Saggasc
You worded it fine, I didn't.
A Love relationship or friendship or anything can constitute as a 7th house phenomenon when approved/witnesses by the Society or Law (whatever the norm is in that Time, Place). This also applies to legal Business partners (another 7th house phenomenon) who have to sign documents (i.e. witness). Your experience hence cannot be termed as marriage Astrologically (unless it was approved in some manner). Its a near marriage experience.
One way is to read the Texts for yourself and practice it for years, the other way is to find a traditional trustworthy Astrologer and be done with it. If you feel you can get correct information from Internet (and even otherwise) practitioners, you can try, it is statistically rare that you will (unless you go on for years and hence learn to separate the grain from the chaff)
You can take me in the wrong manner but mostly what happens on these forums (and even otherwise) is new inventions, adding own imagination, bending rules, jumping context, reading other people's imaginations/rules etc. etc. and applying it. All this helps much to astrologically "rationalize" anything. In short, it becomes a joke.
In other words, would you rely on random people giving you medical advice when you need it the most? Or would you like to go to a real trustworthy Doctor and be done with it?
Also please keep in mind, the readings or understanding of concepts you get from folks who are trying to help (and learn) can have a lasting psychological impact. The ugly part is, that there is a very good chance what those folks told was just their own/borrowed opinion, bending rules and blah blah whatever I said earlier. It is a very questionable territory to tread (i.e. Astrological advice from random people).
All of the above is said keeping in mind that you are in a fragile state of mind and could be in an impressionable state too so please keep your guards up.
Rathore
A Love relationship or friendship or anything can constitute as a 7th house phenomenon when approved/witnesses by the Society or Law (whatever the norm is in that Time, Place). This also applies to legal Business partners (another 7th house phenomenon) who have to sign documents (i.e. witness). Your experience hence cannot be termed as marriage Astrologically (unless it was approved in some manner). Its a near marriage experience.
If the person in question is meant to be married to you, it will happen irrespective of whatever his/yours current opinion on the relationship is. Because marriages are pre-determined just like the family one is born into. So here destiny reigns over free will. Now how one manages the (marital) relationship has a free will factor to it (although it may not be if one has a lot of Karmic debts to the partner). In summary, some things are completely destined, others not so much (Free will). This is why Remedial measures work in some situations and don't in others (which are unchangeable/destined).saggasc wrote:I think the whole free will and destiny combination is quite confusing; for example in my position hypothetically speaking if the spouse seen in my chart is my ex-partner and his free will is not to be together then does everything related to my marriage in the chart become irrelevant?
Yes, its just that in today's times the (Astrological) practice itself is questionable because of questionable practitioners (my opinion 95%). One has to hence be careful in accepting what is told. So information on the theoretical aspects helps but the same information (that one wants to rely on to cross check) is coming mostly from the same 95% questionable practitioners, so how does one really know that the background check they are performing is against the correct metrics? One can't! Hence, some things one may get to know will be correct, others not. So are the metrics really reliable?saggasc wrote:I think a lot of people look to astrology in times of need but information on the background of it is also important in how to deal with what you find out
One way is to read the Texts for yourself and practice it for years, the other way is to find a traditional trustworthy Astrologer and be done with it. If you feel you can get correct information from Internet (and even otherwise) practitioners, you can try, it is statistically rare that you will (unless you go on for years and hence learn to separate the grain from the chaff)
You can take me in the wrong manner but mostly what happens on these forums (and even otherwise) is new inventions, adding own imagination, bending rules, jumping context, reading other people's imaginations/rules etc. etc. and applying it. All this helps much to astrologically "rationalize" anything. In short, it becomes a joke.
In other words, would you rely on random people giving you medical advice when you need it the most? Or would you like to go to a real trustworthy Doctor and be done with it?
Also please keep in mind, the readings or understanding of concepts you get from folks who are trying to help (and learn) can have a lasting psychological impact. The ugly part is, that there is a very good chance what those folks told was just their own/borrowed opinion, bending rules and blah blah whatever I said earlier. It is a very questionable territory to tread (i.e. Astrological advice from random people).
Yes, it gives one moral support and helps one come out of the past. The point is just be careful with the Astrological readings/understandings "part" that you are getting from others.saggasc wrote:As with my situation, I did what you said and rationalised the situation and just claimed it wasn't meant to be but I think that's somehow helping me at the moment. I think it's important to understand the theoretical aspects like this to support readings as one can be very consumed in what they find out.
All of the above is said keeping in mind that you are in a fragile state of mind and could be in an impressionable state too so please keep your guards up.
Rathore
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@ Rathore ji....
Wonderful thoughts...I echo you on the same...no astrologer is a 100 percent expert and that every relationship you encounter including marriage is predetermined........ again... loved your insight!
Wonderful thoughts...I echo you on the same...no astrologer is a 100 percent expert and that every relationship you encounter including marriage is predetermined........ again... loved your insight!
