Sir,
1 we cannot read the divisional charts as we read the chart 1 , in chart 1 we take into aspects of planets to other houses. But it is not so in divisional charts' reading.
2. Mr K.N. Rao' s interview tapes say that aspects are there and he quoted " Jathaka Abharanam" by Dundiraj, 15thcentury author. I read it ..nearly Morethan 1500 pages..many times exclusively to identify and get confirmation of this aspect. , but I could not find any information. I am searching for this doubt cleared since more than 40 years (now I am 75) ...I could not get any infirmation to get my doubt cleared.
3. Prof. Sounder Rajan, retired maths prof of Madras IIT, said in one of the annual astrological conference held in Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh...25 years back, the planets haveno aspects in the divisional charts.
In case if you come across any authoritative reference, please share with colleagues .
Thanks,
Rai,22/05/13
How is a D10 chart read?
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Dear Rai ji,
I am glad to have found someone who has been looking for 4 decades and still haven't found any proof of aspects in divisions. I whole heartedly agree with you. After reading many classical texts nowhere planetary aspects are mentioned outside Rashi. I read texts created in AD with caution as they may are usually opinions of Astrology enthusiasts just like Shri KN Rao has his own in 21st Century.The way planetary aspects are defined is longitudinal and longitudes do not exist outside Rashi, so question of aspects do not arise in divisions. Neither Bhavas and Yogas exist outside Rashi.
But people just treat all divisions like Rashi and this makes justifies almost anything because there are only handful of major events in life (job, marriage, child birth etc) and 9 planets, their many aspects, 12 bhavas, Rashis, dashas, transits to fit them in. If they don't find the proof in Rashi, they look in Navamsa, if not there then they find it in the relevant division or divisions that are said to be applicable to all matters. And then make up rules to justify such as : "Navamsa will not give results that are not indicated by Rashi". Why? Do planets become stupid in Navamsa? When Navamsa has more say in marriage then its results should apply more. Anyway, I wrote some details here for the interested reader.
Rathore
I am glad to have found someone who has been looking for 4 decades and still haven't found any proof of aspects in divisions. I whole heartedly agree with you. After reading many classical texts nowhere planetary aspects are mentioned outside Rashi. I read texts created in AD with caution as they may are usually opinions of Astrology enthusiasts just like Shri KN Rao has his own in 21st Century.The way planetary aspects are defined is longitudinal and longitudes do not exist outside Rashi, so question of aspects do not arise in divisions. Neither Bhavas and Yogas exist outside Rashi.
But people just treat all divisions like Rashi and this makes justifies almost anything because there are only handful of major events in life (job, marriage, child birth etc) and 9 planets, their many aspects, 12 bhavas, Rashis, dashas, transits to fit them in. If they don't find the proof in Rashi, they look in Navamsa, if not there then they find it in the relevant division or divisions that are said to be applicable to all matters. And then make up rules to justify such as : "Navamsa will not give results that are not indicated by Rashi". Why? Do planets become stupid in Navamsa? When Navamsa has more say in marriage then its results should apply more. Anyway, I wrote some details here for the interested reader.
Rathore
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My dear Sri Rathore,,
I whole heartedly agree with you. I am happy, to note that there is an honest and sincere great researcher on most important points.
We lost lot of literature after 1000 ad., many books are in German library , but at this age iI cannot visit that country and collect information.
Laghu Parasara book is worth to read but one must be advanced spiritually to interpret the principles said in that book.
With blessings,
Rao,23/05/13
I whole heartedly agree with you. I am happy, to note that there is an honest and sincere great researcher on most important points.
We lost lot of literature after 1000 ad., many books are in German library , but at this age iI cannot visit that country and collect information.
Laghu Parasara book is worth to read but one must be advanced spiritually to interpret the principles said in that book.
With blessings,
Rao,23/05/13
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With Regards,
ChandraLagna
With Regards,
ChandraLagna
Dear Rao ji, I am glad to hear kind words from you. And I am fortunate to have been on the right path of what the sages actually taught.
Dear Chandralagna ji, I feel good you too follow classical texts a they are. The link posted is a gem hidden on the forum.
Rathore
Dear Chandralagna ji, I feel good you too follow classical texts a they are. The link posted is a gem hidden on the forum.
Rathore
Absolutely gentlemen, For astrological aspects Astronomically the condition of 360 degrees, 12 signs, and planets should be fulfilled. It is illogical theories applied for postmortem horoscopes. I have even found some stalwarts saying to see three four divisional charts to establish a point. Obviously more probabilities will somewhere lead to some supporting factors as in the case of KP sub, sub, sub theory or 4 steps theory. BPHS is very clear in its "Graha sputa Dhrishti". Varga Vivechana adhyayas. We have some translators who induce such tricky translations and confuse. For the last one week I am in the Face book arguing the same thing. But the minds have been deeply corrupted with wrong notion. -SATYANARAYANA NAIK
Sir I am extremely happy that my logic has some support. That Divisional chart is does not constitute as a Whole chart, hence question of reading it as Bhava with aspect does not arise. All the shodasha vargas ultimately commences with Aries sign and the sign references are made easier in Zodiac Chart. It is incorporated. Having incorporated the signs the dignities of signs are also bing attributed like exalted debiliated own house Moola trikona etc., Then from Amsha Lagna Kendra konas and dustanas are also considered.. This is still not logically convincing. Where is the spirit of BPHS. Kendras are 90 degrees aoart and konas 120 degreees Will these co-ordinates logically fit into Varga Chakras. this is the double doubt. - THANK U SIR - SATYANARAYANA NAIKrao_mocherla wrote:Sir,
1 we cannot read the divisional charts as we read the chart 1 , in chart 1 we take into aspects of planets to other houses. But it is not so in divisional charts' reading.
3. Prof. Sounder Rajan, retired maths prof of Madras IIT, said in one of the annual astrological conference held in Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh...25 years back, the planets haveno aspects in the divisional charts.
I am
Thanks,
Rai,22/05/13
Dear Naik ji,
Yes many theories with no mention in classical texts have sprung out. These theories are taking combustion, planetary war, manglik doshas and many other concepts to divisions. But since they cannot take them all so no body talks about Kemdrum/Sunapha/Anapha yoga etc. in divisions. But what can they do when the likes of KN Rao is doing the same. For them it has become so easy to look at their own charts (or any other) and post mortem events but they do not understand that by using these theories almost everything can be proved in every chart! So arguing with them is no use. From their point of view, they are proving anything and everything so (for them) it must be true that these theories apply. Most of them will not be reading classical texts so they will not find out the truth either or will misinterpret it, let alone getting the spirit of BPHS.
Yes there are no houses in divisions so question of Kendra and kona houses does not arise either. Rashi represents the zodiac and amsa or ansh of a planet means where in the zodiac is it at, so an amsa represents is a point in the zodiac. And when its just a point, how can it be measured as a full 30 degree house? A point cannot be a line, a line is made up of points. For e.g. Venus in Taurus Rashi and Virgo navamsa just means it is somewhere between 56.40 to 60 degrees in the zodiac (Rashi chart). Similarly for Kendra and Kona houses they are not points, they stretch over 30 degrees, so they cannot exist in divisions.
Rathore
Yes many theories with no mention in classical texts have sprung out. These theories are taking combustion, planetary war, manglik doshas and many other concepts to divisions. But since they cannot take them all so no body talks about Kemdrum/Sunapha/Anapha yoga etc. in divisions. But what can they do when the likes of KN Rao is doing the same. For them it has become so easy to look at their own charts (or any other) and post mortem events but they do not understand that by using these theories almost everything can be proved in every chart! So arguing with them is no use. From their point of view, they are proving anything and everything so (for them) it must be true that these theories apply. Most of them will not be reading classical texts so they will not find out the truth either or will misinterpret it, let alone getting the spirit of BPHS.
Yes there are no houses in divisions so question of Kendra and kona houses does not arise either. Rashi represents the zodiac and amsa or ansh of a planet means where in the zodiac is it at, so an amsa represents is a point in the zodiac. And when its just a point, how can it be measured as a full 30 degree house? A point cannot be a line, a line is made up of points. For e.g. Venus in Taurus Rashi and Virgo navamsa just means it is somewhere between 56.40 to 60 degrees in the zodiac (Rashi chart). Similarly for Kendra and Kona houses they are not points, they stretch over 30 degrees, so they cannot exist in divisions.
Rathore
Dear Rathore ji
I am delighted for your quick response and breathing at ease. Yes there are many things which needs to assessed. Sir I am sorry I forgot to introduce myself. I did some work in Brighu Nandi Naadi and written some books on it. I have traditional back ground on parasara form my father and grand father. I never saw them using D charts in the present trend. Hardly they use and only when they were to find yoga planets or Dasha planets they confirmed their strenght through these charts. Now I am trying to integrate the Brighu Nandi Naadi with the conventional Parasara system where this procedure is already indicated. That is about me. Sir I am 60 years of age and totally dedicated to this subject without any commercial attachment. I follow two thumb rules to accept a dictum: 1) It should be authenticated by classical texts and then It should logically convincing ( this ensures non interference ) 2) Or It should be Astronomically substantiated. Thank Q and looking forward for an intellectual continued association. NAIK
I am delighted for your quick response and breathing at ease. Yes there are many things which needs to assessed. Sir I am sorry I forgot to introduce myself. I did some work in Brighu Nandi Naadi and written some books on it. I have traditional back ground on parasara form my father and grand father. I never saw them using D charts in the present trend. Hardly they use and only when they were to find yoga planets or Dasha planets they confirmed their strenght through these charts. Now I am trying to integrate the Brighu Nandi Naadi with the conventional Parasara system where this procedure is already indicated. That is about me. Sir I am 60 years of age and totally dedicated to this subject without any commercial attachment. I follow two thumb rules to accept a dictum: 1) It should be authenticated by classical texts and then It should logically convincing ( this ensures non interference ) 2) Or It should be Astronomically substantiated. Thank Q and looking forward for an intellectual continued association. NAIK
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Satyanarayan ji,
Glad to have you on this forum. I am sure members will benefit from reading your posts and discussions here. I personally have found your book - "Roots of Nadi Astrology" very well written.
Again - welcome to this forum, sir.
Glad to have you on this forum. I am sure members will benefit from reading your posts and discussions here. I personally have found your book - "Roots of Nadi Astrology" very well written.
Again - welcome to this forum, sir.
--भज गोविन्दं... भज गोविन्दं...गोविन्दं भज, मूढमते --
With Regards,
ChandraLagna
With Regards,
ChandraLagna
Dear Chandralagna ji
Thanks for invitation and your appreciation of the book, well I haven't named the books written by me because it becomes an advertisement. I conduct classes at Hyderabad every Sunday not to teach but to experiment practically the rules from all systems which are logically authenticated for documentation. Well, I am glad to share my experiences in this forum as and when I get an opportunity.
With kind regards
SATYANARAYANA NAIK
Thanks for invitation and your appreciation of the book, well I haven't named the books written by me because it becomes an advertisement. I conduct classes at Hyderabad every Sunday not to teach but to experiment practically the rules from all systems which are logically authenticated for documentation. Well, I am glad to share my experiences in this forum as and when I get an opportunity.
With kind regards
SATYANARAYANA NAIK
Dear Naik Sir,
After logging in if should take you to this link http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3_0/index.php
which would look like below:
Once there click on any section that you want to post in (for e.g. Yogas, Career, Health, Special Rules etc.). Once inside click on "New Topic" as highlighted below.
This will start a new topic.
Rathore
After logging in if should take you to this link http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3_0/index.php
which would look like below:
Once there click on any section that you want to post in (for e.g. Yogas, Career, Health, Special Rules etc.). Once inside click on "New Topic" as highlighted below.
This will start a new topic.
Rathore
The D charts are all supplementary.For the same lagna with births interval of 13/4 hrs/2 hrs depending
upon the short/long ascension rasis,all planets positions invariably be same in all D charts but markedly
differently placed for moon/lagna.Hindu aspects are normally taken into a/c in D-charts.Even jaimini
karakas put in D charts /chara dasa periods are the same for the same lagna.only nadi amsa lagna is
unique to the individual which is very difficuilt to arrive at.Dasa periods based on nadi amsa lagna can
match life events with natal lagna.
upon the short/long ascension rasis,all planets positions invariably be same in all D charts but markedly
differently placed for moon/lagna.Hindu aspects are normally taken into a/c in D-charts.Even jaimini
karakas put in D charts /chara dasa periods are the same for the same lagna.only nadi amsa lagna is
unique to the individual which is very difficuilt to arrive at.Dasa periods based on nadi amsa lagna can
match life events with natal lagna.
[quote="rao_mocherla"]Sir,
1 we cannot read the divisional charts as we read the chart 1 , in chart 1 we take into aspects of planets to other houses. But it is not so in divisional charts' reading.
2. Mr K.N. Rao' s interview tapes say that aspects are there and he quoted " Jathaka Abharanam" by Dundiraj, 15thcentury author. I read it ..nearly Morethan 1500 pages..many times exclusively to identify and get confirmation of this aspect. , but I could not find any information. I am searching for this doubt cleared since more than 40 years (now I am 75) ...I could not get any infirmation to get my doubt cleared.
3. Prof. Sounder Rajan, retired maths prof of Madras IIT, said in one of the annual astrological conference held in Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh...25 years back, the planets haveno aspects in the divisional charts.
In case if you come across any authoritative reference, please share with colleagues .
Thanks,
Rai,22/05/13[/quote]
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Dear Rai Ji,
Could you please explain how to read D10 by using a example D1 and D10 Chart. What does houses mean in D10 and how to read D10?
Your time will be much appriciated.
Regards,
Vin
1 we cannot read the divisional charts as we read the chart 1 , in chart 1 we take into aspects of planets to other houses. But it is not so in divisional charts' reading.
2. Mr K.N. Rao' s interview tapes say that aspects are there and he quoted " Jathaka Abharanam" by Dundiraj, 15thcentury author. I read it ..nearly Morethan 1500 pages..many times exclusively to identify and get confirmation of this aspect. , but I could not find any information. I am searching for this doubt cleared since more than 40 years (now I am 75) ...I could not get any infirmation to get my doubt cleared.
3. Prof. Sounder Rajan, retired maths prof of Madras IIT, said in one of the annual astrological conference held in Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh...25 years back, the planets haveno aspects in the divisional charts.
In case if you come across any authoritative reference, please share with colleagues .
Thanks,
Rai,22/05/13[/quote]
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Dear Rai Ji,
Could you please explain how to read D10 by using a example D1 and D10 Chart. What does houses mean in D10 and how to read D10?
Your time will be much appriciated.
Regards,
Vin
All classical books assigned lordships for Thrimsamsa ranging from 5to8 deg based on oja/yugma rasi kinds. But none has drawn D30 charts using them.Here Rahu/kethu will be conjd & so it should be avoided.
By research it is found 2 methods can be used to make a D30. It should tally with nadi amsa lagna.
I will say further on this after receipt of member's comments.
By research it is found 2 methods can be used to make a D30. It should tally with nadi amsa lagna.
I will say further on this after receipt of member's comments.
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Sir, I don't refer the divisional charts. I depend on the planets where they were , in which stars, and who are the ruling planets , besides transit of Saturn, Rahu and Kethu, and Jupiter...outer planets to the earth, along with eclipses that were taking place. Rao, 17/7/13
Dear Cnivas ji,
Response to message: Rashi Tulya Navamsa method even though technically can be extended to Dasamsa but I can't say for surety as I am yet to come across a reference. Moreover Dasamsa being the 10th division is about Mudra (seal of authority, position), major achievements (which may or may not be through job). It may/may not translate to what one does for everyday living. E.g. one can be a Bank officer but also leads a committee that establishes schools, temples using donations etc. Such achievements are seen from Dasamsa & his Bank job may not necessarily reflect in Dasamsa.
Your Natal 10th lord Moon in own house aspected by Saturn/Mars & in Virgo Dasamsa just means at one point in life (likely Moon's dasha) you will either have two (or more) professions or you will change your line of work. This is for certain.
About KN Rao and Sanjay Rath books, KN Rao's books are better even though there is a lot of acrobatics played at some places to get to a simple point but its still much lesser than SJC books. The books will help knowing about things to keep in mind when you do reading of classical texts & you will find some gems in them. You may pick up Brihat Jatak & Jatak Parijaat instead. Learn about nature, characteristics of Signs, Planets and their mixing and you will be able to derive much more solid results.
Rathore
Response to message: Rashi Tulya Navamsa method even though technically can be extended to Dasamsa but I can't say for surety as I am yet to come across a reference. Moreover Dasamsa being the 10th division is about Mudra (seal of authority, position), major achievements (which may or may not be through job). It may/may not translate to what one does for everyday living. E.g. one can be a Bank officer but also leads a committee that establishes schools, temples using donations etc. Such achievements are seen from Dasamsa & his Bank job may not necessarily reflect in Dasamsa.
Your Natal 10th lord Moon in own house aspected by Saturn/Mars & in Virgo Dasamsa just means at one point in life (likely Moon's dasha) you will either have two (or more) professions or you will change your line of work. This is for certain.
About KN Rao and Sanjay Rath books, KN Rao's books are better even though there is a lot of acrobatics played at some places to get to a simple point but its still much lesser than SJC books. The books will help knowing about things to keep in mind when you do reading of classical texts & you will find some gems in them. You may pick up Brihat Jatak & Jatak Parijaat instead. Learn about nature, characteristics of Signs, Planets and their mixing and you will be able to derive much more solid results.
Rathore
i have my sun,saturn and rahu in cancer in navamsa will this be a concern in my professional field... iam unemployed right now and those combinations(saturn opposite moon and mars having a debilitated aspect on cancer) even though saturn being good karaka are making me feel lowly.... :\ .... is there any chances of me getting job in following months ??
thankyou
thankyou
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Dasha chidra (change of Dasha) is an unsettling period hence these feelings. Saturn/Rahu/Sun giving its Navamsa to 10th house is fine.
To your message: Remedial measures work but if the dasha, yoga and transits are all suggesting an event then it will not work. It works when one or two of them are pointing to an event. Yogas/Doshas only occur in the Rashi chart, so remedial measures are to be done for Rashi chart only.
You can post in the career section for job and remedies.
Rathore
To your message: Remedial measures work but if the dasha, yoga and transits are all suggesting an event then it will not work. It works when one or two of them are pointing to an event. Yogas/Doshas only occur in the Rashi chart, so remedial measures are to be done for Rashi chart only.
You can post in the career section for job and remedies.
Rathore
rao_mocherla wrote:My dear Sri Rathore,,
I whole heartedly agree with you. I am happy, to note that there is an honest and sincere great researcher on most important points.
We lost lot of literature after 1000 ad., many books are in German library , but at this age iI cannot visit that country and collect information.
Laghu Parasara book is worth to read but one must be advanced spiritually to interpret the principles said in that book.
With blessings,
Rao,23/05/13
Sir,
First of all a big salute and thanks to the tireless research of people like you, Mr. Rathore, Mr. Naik and Chandralagna. Please tell me what kind of materials are hidden in Germany and if possible where, so that I can try my best to get a copy of the same. I live in Germany and I will try to the best of my ability in collecting the lost materials that might be helpful for your research.
If possible, please share some of your insights on the various Ayanamsas and how it has even been politicized in our country. Which ayanamsa do you think is the closest to the one described in the classical texts?
May the mercy of the divine forgive us for hacking the divine astrological science so far for fulfilling our ego. I hope a renaissance blooms very soon and makes it possible for our country to fully understand and restore the glory of astrology, for the sake of mankind and the planet.
cheers.
Aakaashaath Pathitham Thoyam, Yatha Gacchathi Saagaram.
Sarvadheva Namaskaaraha Keshavam Prathigacchathi!
Sarvadheva Namaskaaraha Keshavam Prathigacchathi!
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My dear mr. Prakruthi,
1. First of all, I wish and pray that you should have darsan of paramavatar Babaji and he should talk with you. , because I have it. This force will make you to reach zenith in your spiritual path and also in astrological path.
2. In Bonn university there are many palm leaves grandhas, they mostly related to Vedas, astrology , astronomy, Maths, medicine, physics, chemistry, metalargy, engineering , etc., I came across information to this extent only...further once our former President of India, Mr Sarvepalli Raadha krishnan visited Germany...at that time he visited the Bonn university. There he was welcomed by the Sanskrit German experts and they have given welcome speech in Sanskrit, as our President had given his reply in English. It was a great disappointment to them . The incident speaks how they exceeded our level of Sanskrit learning.
2. Laghu parasara sanskrith version is in that library . In two or three days I can give reference number and the source of information
With blessings,
Rao,
17/12/13
1. First of all, I wish and pray that you should have darsan of paramavatar Babaji and he should talk with you. , because I have it. This force will make you to reach zenith in your spiritual path and also in astrological path.
2. In Bonn university there are many palm leaves grandhas, they mostly related to Vedas, astrology , astronomy, Maths, medicine, physics, chemistry, metalargy, engineering , etc., I came across information to this extent only...further once our former President of India, Mr Sarvepalli Raadha krishnan visited Germany...at that time he visited the Bonn university. There he was welcomed by the Sanskrit German experts and they have given welcome speech in Sanskrit, as our President had given his reply in English. It was a great disappointment to them . The incident speaks how they exceeded our level of Sanskrit learning.
2. Laghu parasara sanskrith version is in that library . In two or three days I can give reference number and the source of information
With blessings,
Rao,
17/12/13
