Starting point of 1st house if mid-point is 17 degrees.

[intstud]

Sun is in 12 degrees Leo (1st house), Ascendant in 17 degrees Leo. If the mid-point of the 1st house is 17 degrees, how to find the starting point of the house?

[ChandraLagna]

If you see Asc = 17, it could be interpreted in a couple of ways...

17 - 15 = 2 deg in Leo = Start
17 +15 = 2 deg in Virgo = Finish

This is one approach.

There is another approach, which takes 17 Leo as start of first house and ends at 13Virso.

Both of above assume equal house distribution.

THere is another approach of un-equal house distribution.

Jhora offers all options.

[Nitin21]

hi Intstud...

BhaChakra is 360 degrees divided by 12 houses. i.e. 30 degrees each. While Uday lagna is the rasi actually rising at that point of time, bhava chakra starts from the degrees elapsed + 30 degrees. So 17deg Leo to 17 deg Virgo is first bhava. So while a planet maybe in the uday lagna but it maybe in 2nd in bhava chakra owing to this overlap. So bhava chakra holds the key to successful predictions. But i have seen only ChandraLagna using this here. If i was you I would be following him like shadow to learn bhava chakra concepts..

[ChandraLagna]

Shrikanth ji uses it too...slightly differently though. He takes the Ascendent to be midpoint, so goes +/- 15 deg. Btw, I noticed an error in my post above, which Astroduffer has corrected - that the first bhava is actually 17 leo to 17 virgo, not 13 Virgo. Hard to be clear headed early morning

[kandhan]

hi Intstud...

BhaChakra is 360 degrees divided by 12 houses. i.e. 30 degrees each. While Uday lagna is the rasi actually rising at that point of time, bhava chakra starts from the degrees elapsed + 30 degrees. So 17deg Leo to 17 deg Virgo is first bhava. So while a planet maybe in the uday lagna but it maybe in 2nd in bhava chakra owing to this overlap. So bhava chakra holds the key to successful predictions. But i have seen only ChandraLagna using this here. If i was you I would be following him like shadow to learn bhava chakra concepts..

Sonuji

Did you mean the 12th Bhava here? Because as per the method you have described, Sun will be in udayalagna ,but in 12th bhava?

Sun is in 12 degrees Leo (1st house), Ascendant in 17 degrees Leo. If the mid-point of the 1st house is 17 degrees, how to find the starting point of the house?

[intstud]

So, if I assume 17 degree leo is the midpoint of the first house, the first house house begins at 2 degree leo and ends at 2 degree Virgo, approx., did I get it right?
So, Shrikanth ji uses this one?
What is this method called?

[intstud]

For the other method, what effect does Sun in udayalagna ,but in 12th bhava have?

[intstud]

Bhava Chalit Chart
by govardhanvt » Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:47 am

How is a Bhava Chart Calculated? To calculate bhava chart, we need two values - Ascendant and Mid heaven. Ascendant is the sign rising in the eastern direction at the time of casting of chart. The longitudinal position of Ascendant is the mid point of the first house. Mid heaven is the sign directly above the head. It is the midpoint of tenth house. The steps to calculate mid points of other houses are:
1.total difference = Ascendant - Midheaven
2.difference for one house = total difference divided by three
3.mid point of 11th house = midheaven + difference for one house
4.mid point of 12th house = mid point of 11th house + difference for one house.
Similarly, calculate the mid points of all the other houses to get the bhava chart. The starting point of a bhava is the mean of its and the previous house’s midpoint. Naturally, the end point of a house is the beginning of the next one.

How is Rashi Chart different from Chalit Chart?

1. Mathematically: Rashi chart assumes that all the houses are equal - 30 degrees in length. While calculating the positions of ascendant and other planets, we just take the modulo of the degree by 30 and assign the houses. In bhava chart, the mid point of a house, i.e. the bhava madhya, is given a lot of importance. The influence of a house is calculated based on this bhava madhya. e.g. if Ascendant value is 2 degrees, then the influence of the first house extends from approximately 350 degrees to about 17 degrees and not Zero to 30 degrees as would be the case with a rashi chart. The upper and the lower limits of influence of a house are called Bhava Sandhis. Planets are placed in this newly computed Bhava chart - and we get something called Chalit chart. The rule is simple, if a planet’s longitude is more than the starting sandhi and less than the end sandhi, it is said to fall in that bhava.

2. For interpretations: The combinations that are used for interpretations are - rashi chart along with divisional charts on one hand and bhava charts on other hand. We never mix divisional charts with bhava chart. Planets influence a chart based on the bhava they are situated in. Rule of thumb - if an interpretation system works only with planets and houses and not signs, you can safely assume that it is working with the chalit chart and not the rashi chart. However, the aspects of planets on other planets are always studied from rashi chart. Similarly exaltation/debilitation of planets is again studied only from the rashi chart. Manglik Dosha is studied partly from bhava chart (e.g. statements like Mars causes dosha if situated in 7th house) and partly from rashi chart. When looking for exceptions (e.g. Mars in Simha, i.e. in the sign of a friend does not cause dosha), we should see the rashi chart. Normally, bhava chart and rashi chart would agree with each other. However, if the Ascendant or planets’ degree is closer to multiple of 30, there may be differences between the charts. It is always interesting to see if a planet has moved from one house to another from rashi chart to chalit chart. This explains a lot of times why a yoga that is so obvious in rashi chart does not fructify in real life.

In this article, the bhava chart is also calculated using the ascendant as the midpoint of the 1st house.

ChadraLagna, I am guessing Shrikanth ji uses the above concept?

[intstud]

The native I am talking about is extremely appearance/body-oriented but, at the same time, humble (does have a strong ego, but not arrogance at all). She is shy and enjoys privacy/seclusion, but, if someone else tries to take away the limelight her inner "lion" comes out.
She is someone who likes to take charge of what is "behind the scene" and is most cases because it would make her more comfortable or make things the way she wants them to be when she is the center of attention.

[ChandraLagna]

Its best to confirm from Shrikanth ji himself - I should not be speaking for him...but from a couple of posts that I remember reading where he has explained his method, this seems to be the case. Again - pl verify from him.

I use the same method - the bhava madhya for determining all the houses, except the first. Makes it more interesting

[Nitin21]

Sonuji

Did you mean the 12th Bhava here? Because as per the method you have described, Sun will be in udayalagna ,but in 12th bhava?

KD I just gave a hypothetical example. Did not calculate which bhava..

[kandhan]

The native I am talking about is extremely appearance/body-oriented but, at the same time, humble (does have a strong ego, but not arrogance at all). She is shy and enjoys privacy/seclusion, but, if someone else tries to take away the limelight her inner "lion" comes out.
She is someone who likes to take charge of what is "behind the scene" and is most cases because it would make her more comfortable or make things the way she wants them to be when she is the center of attention.

Hi

what you have stated does define a leo lagna except for maybe cpl of points like seclusion and "behind the scene" which is probably due to situation of moon and other influences on lagna respectively.

OK @ Sonuji

[intstud]

Kandhan, I don't know if I mentioned this earlier, but this is the native's D9.
Yes, moon in both D1 and D9 is in Scorpio, 12th in D1 and 4th in D9 .

Chandralagna, I remember showing Srikanth ji the birth details (a while back). According to his calculations, the Sun was in 1st Leo.

[intstud]

That was really well explained!
So, if we use method 1 or 3 for my question, is it safe to say that Sun falls in the first house (leo)?
How would the interpretation (not calculation) differ if we use your method?
I remember showing you the native's birth details a while ago and you used Sun in 1st for the prediction.
Does the description of the native I gave here go with the Sun in leo lagna personality, in your opinion?

[intstud]

To make it more convenient for you, I am including the initial details.

Sun is in 12 degrees Leo, and the ascendant is in 17 degrees Leo.

[intstud]

Does that mean predictions using sun in leo, 1st would be correct, to an extend? How will it differ if we use the method u use?