Retrograde/vakri planets

[whitelily]

Dear all,

I wanted to know how retrograde planets differ in their effects from "normal" planets? Do they cause opposite effects or do they cause delay in their effects or is it something else?
And if malefic planets are retrograde, is that a good sign, because they are in opposite motion, or do they become even more malefic?

regards,

[digitsoftime]

hi Whitelily,

its believed retrograde planets are more powerful as it represents some kind of karmic backlog. They move backwards but not necessarily give bad results. Some people consider debilitation+retro as exalted, but i dont know how true it is.
this link can say some things
http://www.astrologerpanditji.com/page28.htm

regards,
S

[whitelily]

Thanks a lot for sharing .

[whitelily]

Can other learned members of this forum also please share their views on the subject?

[digvijaysingh]

what does retrograde mars indicate ???

[whitelily]

what does retrograde mars indicate ???

Well, according to the above provided link:
"A retrograde Mars in a horoscope usually signifies an excess of energy within the native and the native may not know what to do with this energy at times. So it can make the native aggressive and such natives may get angry comparatively sooner. A native with a retrograde Mars in his horoscope may take surprising decisions at times. A retrograde Mars in case of females may show some masculine habits like the tendency to control and dominate. Apart from these general deviations, a retrograde Mars gives its results in a very much similar way as a forward moving Mars. But it is important to notice that a retrograde Mars possesses far more energy than a forward moving Mars and it is capable of producing results of higher quantum and intensity. So people with a negative retrograde Mars in their horoscope must be careful as it can cause much more damage than a forward moving Mars."

[digvijaysingh]

thankyou whitelilly ... and BTW about the uncontrolable part ..so true

[shilpa]

Dear all,

I wanted to know how retrograde planets differ in their effects from "normal" planets? Do they cause opposite effects or do they cause delay in their effects or is it something else?
And if malefic planets are retrograde, is that a good sign, because they are in opposite motion, or do they become even more malefic?

regards,

Retrogradation acts at 3 levels...

1) The signification of the house where the planet sits......this is improved / strengthened always when a planet is retrogradefor the hosue where it sits .
Because retrogradation gives a planet FULL points for cheshta bala ( motional strength) 60 out of 60 hence making it stronger in shadbala and hence overall positive significations that the planet will generate from the house where they sit and rule, especially during it;s dasas and anataras

2) at the planetary karkatwas level and here it has been noticed:

a) Retrograde inner planets ( Me , Ma and Ve) make the person defficient. For example retrograde Me might make the person appear dull/ seemingly low intellect/ academically challanged
b) retrograde Venus might make the persons appear naive / cold / clueless in handling human relationshipsn especially with the opposite sex.
c) mars makes the person irritable/ aggressive, low in pateince and perseverance.
d) while outer planets Sat, Jup give the person a unique advantage in their karakatwas...sat--> exceptional discipline, organization., responsibility self-scarifice, wanting to serve others
and Jup--> exceptional intellct/ ability to see other's POV, ability to decipher scriptures unconvetional wisdom.

3) At the Karmik level.....it indicates a back-log......the person's karmik baggage is related more so to thsoe planets and an analysis of D60 most likely will reveal the retrograde planets as the key players involved in Karmik balance.

4) Sun, Moon don't go retrograde and Ra-Ket ( karmik planets) are always retrograde...so these don;t count in retrogradation unlike the otehr 5 planets

so in summary retrogradation acts at multiple levels for all planets and diffrently for inner and outer planets....and for eg. if a person has a retrograde Mercury in the 4th house whihc is Virgo( exalted)....he/she may be slow is eductaions/ not very intellecuatl and yet will enjoy all 4th house significations such as vehicles, good house to live in happy and plenty supprot from other and an overall good home environment.


regards

[nupur]

Hi Shilpa

Thanks for this exellent post. You have covered everything about retrogression so beautifully. I am amazed to see the level of understanding that you have on this subject. I think you have a very strong horoscope.

warm regards

[whitelily]

a WOW from me as well. Thnx a lot 4 explaining so clearly.

[anilesh47]

I understood the concept of retrogade planets, but what abt it's placement in dushthana house?

[digvijaysingh]

thanks shilpa , its clear now

[guru]

how about Saturn retrograde to 4th house from Lagna (Lagna is Khumba)

[Waterbearer]

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1) The signification of the house where the planet sits......this is improved / strengthened always when a planet is retrogradefor the hosue where it sits .
Because retrogradation gives a planet FULL points for cheshta bala ( motional strength) 60 out of 60 hence making it stronger in shadbala and hence overall positive significations that the planet will generate from the house where they sit and rule, especially during it;s dasas and anataras
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Thankyou shilpaji for posting, I understood 2) & 3), but I have doubt regarding 1) As you said " where they sit AND rule"
To make this clear to myself, you mean that a retrogade planet will strengthen both the houses where it sits & rules, right?

Do you mean that if, say in Aries lagna, Mars (Retrogade) occupiesthe 9th house Acquarius, the 9th house will be strengthened?
AND
the 1st * 8th houses (Aries & Scorpio) which it rules will be strengthened?

[Caliber]

For me JU is retrograde in Lagna. I felt the Retrograde delays results. My JU MD is just ending in another 8 months.

11.11.1964: 17.20 Hrs, Guntur. Male.

[shilpa]

1) The signification of the house where the planet sits......this is improved / strengthened always when a planet is retrogradefor the hosue where it sits .
Because retrogradation gives a planet FULL points for cheshta bala ( motional strength) 60 out of 60 hence making it stronger in shadbala and hence overall positive significations that the planet will generate from the house where they sit and rule, especially during it;s dasas and anataras
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Thankyou shilpaji for posting, I understood 2) & 3), but I have doubt regarding 1) As you said " where they sit AND rule"
To make this clear to myself, you mean that a retrogade planet will strengthen both the houses where it sits & rules, right?
yes

Do you mean that if, say in Aries lagna, Mars (Retrogade) occupiesthe 9th house Acquarius, the 9th house will be strengthened?
AND
the 1st * 8th houses (Aries & Scorpio) which it rules will be strengthened?

correct.
thouhg the house where the planet sits will get more affect of the strengthening......than the ones that the planet rules


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[Ghrishneswar]

Very well explained Shilpa. Very precise and concise.

[Waterbearer]

Shilpaji, thankyou for your patience.

[anilesh47]

dear anu,

Need complete data to analyse of your chart.

give me details.

regards
Nilesh

[anilesh47]

Dear anu,

your deb jup getting neech bhanga. sat placement is good. I dont see anything wrong except marriage related problem in your chart.

Thanks

Regards
Nilesh

[babaji77]

Dear all,

I wanted to know how retrograde planets differ in their effects from "normal" planets? Do they cause opposite effects or do they cause delay in their effects or is it something else?
And if malefic planets are retrograde, is that a good sign, because they are in opposite motion, or do they become even more malefic?

regards,

Retrogradation acts at 3 levels...

1) The signification of the house where the planet sits......this is improved / strengthened always when a planet is retrogradefor the hosue where it sits .
Because retrogradation gives a planet FULL points for cheshta bala ( motional strength) 60 out of 60 hence making it stronger in shadbala and hence overall positive significations that the planet will generate from the house where they sit and rule, especially during it;s dasas and anataras

2) at the planetary karkatwas level and here it has been noticed:

a) Retrograde inner planets ( Me , Ma and Ve) make the person defficient. For example retrograde Me might make the person appear dull/ seemingly low intellect/ academically challanged
b) retrograde Venus might make the persons appear naive / cold / clueless in handling human relationshipsn especially with the opposite sex.
c) mars makes the person irritable/ aggressive, low in pateince and perseverance.
d) while outer planets Sat, Jup give the person a unique advantage in their karakatwas...sat--> exceptional discipline, organization., responsibility self-scarifice, wanting to serve others
and Jup--> exceptional intellct/ ability to see other's POV, ability to decipher scriptures unconvetional wisdom.

3) At the Karmik level.....it indicates a back-log......the person's karmik baggage is related more so to thsoe planets and an analysis of D60 most likely will reveal the retrograde planets as the key players involved in Karmik balance.

4) Sun, Moon don't go retrograde and Ra-Ket ( karmik planets) are always retrograde...so these don;t count in retrogradation unlike the otehr 5 planets

so in summary retrogradation acts at multiple levels for all planets and diffrently for inner and outer planets....and for eg. if a person has a retrograde Mercury in the 4th house whihc is Virgo( exalted)....he/she may be slow is eductaions/ not very intellecuatl and yet will enjoy all 4th house significations such as vehicles, good house to live in happy and plenty supprot from other and an overall good home environment.


regards

Respected Shilpaji,

Many thanks for providing such and interesting and appealing explanations. It seems to work for me.

Can you please analyse my chart, got three retro planets and currently ruunning retro exalted Jupiter MD.

DOB: 26 nov 78 POB Una Himachal Pradesh India, TOB: 17.05

I will then share my experiences with you.

Warm regards,

[astrorao]

Dear ShilpaJi and fluid2finance Ji,

What is your openion on Retrograde planet aspects.. As per K N Rao Sir, Retrograde planet will have 6 aspects. 3 as from its house and 3 from the previous house which it is residing..

[astrorao]

Also is there any method/way to find the exact time/period when that planet is in retrograde motion??

[shilpa]

Hi Shilpa,

A nice reply

Many things you have touched are true, however Mars is not an inner planet, but outer.

In my experience, even though as Shilpa has correctly mentioned, the Chesta Bala is maximized for a retrograde planet, I believe they are not necessarily strong, even outer planets like Shani and Jupiter

Reason for this high shadbala coming from "motion" strength is that the planet is far away from sun and hence very bright in the sky

I have seen in my experience (17 years in astro research now) that the outer retrograde planets can protect their significations or strengthen the houses they own, however, their dashas can at times give very unexpected results, many a times very negative

It is human nature to be comfortable in moving forward, hence the retrograde motion (even though it is only apparent and not really backwards) is in general not good

Usually retrograde planets give a person a different perspective on life, they think differently only subjects related to the karakatwa of the planet

In transit, I have seen that retrogression is usually never good. Especially of the malefic planets Saturn and Mars.

Also one effect which I have observed without fail is that a retrograde planet in transit kind of "Stays" the effects it has in the house. In other words, issues go into background or just stick around till the planet is retrograde.

So lets say saturn is in Virgo in someone's 11th house. It will tend to give very good effects being 11th from moon or lagna. But during its retrogression, the effects go on hold. Doesnt mean they become bad, just go on hold till it becomes straight again. ALso during this hold period other planets will more easily over ride the effects of saturn and give their own good or bad effects

now the same saturn for an Aquarius rashi will tend to give highly adverse effects being 8th from the rashi.
During retrogression, these negative effects will be on hold. Again it wont become a good period, just that the negative effects will be on hold. So if during the retrogression, the dasha is good and other heavier transits are helpful like Jupiter and Rahu, then the effect will be good overall

As soon as saturn becomes direct, it will exert its good/ bad effects as usual.

Dear Fluidfinance,
i returned to this thread after a long time and noticed your post.
You are right....Ma ain't an inner planet.....but i used the terminology inner and outer in error.....i was wanting to classify fast moving and slow moving.


I do appreciate your writings.....as they reflect depth of research and delineations based on experience.
Also i was writing about retrogradation from natal chart POV.
also agree retro planet in transit are generally troublesome.......especially if malefic in the natal chart.
Regards

[shilpa]

Dear ShilpaJi and fluid2finance Ji,

What is your openion on Retrograde planet aspects.. As per K N Rao Sir, Retrograde planet will have 6 aspects. 3 as from its house and 3 from the previous house which it is residing..

Look when a Planet like shani for example now.....is retrograding enough......from Libra Jhora automatically puts it back in Virgo.
Then you take the aspects from Virgo....... and not as if in Leo (also).

Actually I have found absolutely no verifiability in taking the aspects from the house before.

Regards