Deepak,
You have touched a new psychological dimension altogether. Yes Ashl Nk is extremely manipulative, they are past masters at playing the victim and giving out sob stories. Ashl is ruled by Mer and Rahu in Ashl makes him real good in fibbing. Rahu after all imparts great skills. So how does this shape up. In the rashi of Moon, moon is weak but Rahu is strong. Weakness of moon makes him a coward but the strength of Rahu gives him insufferable desires of being someone, being heard, being respected. So its actually a bheegi billi (wet cat) who wants to roar like a lion. Thus this passive-aggressive persona. My humble 2 cents. I really miss Sonu's analysis from the adhyatmik angle.
swamykool
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Dear Astroboy,
It is best that you write only on this thread because "DESTINY IS PRE DESTINED". And your destiny is that some people will manage to get your thread locked.
So it is better to write on this thread because this thread will get locked and get opened again. "NOW WE ALL KNOW WHO HAS GOT CONNECTIONS ON THIS FORUM"
Regards,
Kunal
It is best that you write only on this thread because "DESTINY IS PRE DESTINED". And your destiny is that some people will manage to get your thread locked.
So it is better to write on this thread because this thread will get locked and get opened again. "NOW WE ALL KNOW WHO HAS GOT CONNECTIONS ON THIS FORUM" Regards,
Kunal
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Deepak,
In continuance with our analysis, a wet cat wants to roar like a lion. But where will he roar? That is the moot point. We all know that the real world is a tough place. You can roar like a lion in the real world but your roar needs to be backed up by teeth and claws. Otherwise it is very probable that you'll get a knee in the nuts from people who are thus annoyed. In this matter I think we have to focus on Rahu and Cancer as the 10th H. Lord of 10 is within 1 deg of MB. Moon hides. So Rahu takes over. Rahu-Ketu and Mer rules communications, computers and electronic communications. So I feel the field of fraudulent expression will be in the Media or TV or the Internet. Many media people have this kind of combinations. Zero in real life but marching like a puffed up pigeon on the airwaves. Projecting themselves as heroes. As the Shastras say, mayurpuchchhadhari kak, a crow in peacock feathers. But in the end a crow is just a crow, ugly, scruffy and altogether debased and unworthy of attention. Pity, Rahu plays the ultimate con job, first puffs up then punctures.
My two cents, now I wait for input from you guys.
swamykool
In continuance with our analysis, a wet cat wants to roar like a lion. But where will he roar? That is the moot point. We all know that the real world is a tough place. You can roar like a lion in the real world but your roar needs to be backed up by teeth and claws. Otherwise it is very probable that you'll get a knee in the nuts from people who are thus annoyed. In this matter I think we have to focus on Rahu and Cancer as the 10th H. Lord of 10 is within 1 deg of MB. Moon hides. So Rahu takes over. Rahu-Ketu and Mer rules communications, computers and electronic communications. So I feel the field of fraudulent expression will be in the Media or TV or the Internet. Many media people have this kind of combinations. Zero in real life but marching like a puffed up pigeon on the airwaves. Projecting themselves as heroes. As the Shastras say, mayurpuchchhadhari kak, a crow in peacock feathers. But in the end a crow is just a crow, ugly, scruffy and altogether debased and unworthy of attention. Pity, Rahu plays the ultimate con job, first puffs up then punctures.
My two cents, now I wait for input from you guys.
swamykool
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
Deepak and Sonu,
As a continuance, IMHO it will be wrong to judge character only by the moon. There is the lagna, there are the Kendras and konas. And finally there is the kama trikone - the 3rd, 7th and 11th. Modern psychologists mention that a lot of problems of mentally disturbed persons actually originate in queered sexuality. So the kama trikone is an excellent pointer towards the debilities. What is it exactly that goes to create a morally debauched person - repressed sexuality? Inability to perform? Hidden homosexual tendencies? Its a confusing conundrum for an astrologer. But the solution might lay in the lords of the Kama Trikone and of course the strength of Mars, Venus and Sun.
swamykool
As a continuance, IMHO it will be wrong to judge character only by the moon. There is the lagna, there are the Kendras and konas. And finally there is the kama trikone - the 3rd, 7th and 11th. Modern psychologists mention that a lot of problems of mentally disturbed persons actually originate in queered sexuality. So the kama trikone is an excellent pointer towards the debilities. What is it exactly that goes to create a morally debauched person - repressed sexuality? Inability to perform? Hidden homosexual tendencies? Its a confusing conundrum for an astrologer. But the solution might lay in the lords of the Kama Trikone and of course the strength of Mars, Venus and Sun.
swamykool
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
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Nitin21
Coolji,
When malefics rahu and sat join badhaksthana, u can almost say the person is finished. Specially combos like sat+rahu, jup+rahu, jup+sat, when all these affect badhaksthana by occupation and if these associate with purva punya sthana too, then u can throw away rest of horo aside. Jup affliction like that places all the spiritual tendencies under house arrest. When the king of dharma is under a cast, what can you expect from the native ? Atheism, possession, lack of self esteem, inflated ego, lack of direction in life, non fulfillment of desires, all get screwed badly. Native runs from pillar to post giving discourses on dambhik gyana and bhakti, as jup gets afflicted. such natives like to be spoon fed as sat the karmakaraka becomes the afflicter and afflicted both.
But lord is merciful. Inspite of this if other factors are good then native survives the fall of meteor on his life with the help of others. But in due course of time accumulates negative karma for next birth.
Help comes from all sources but with wisdom i.e. Jup affliction, native enters into suicidal mode not realizing what is he accumulating for next lives. While even just remembering Rama and Krishna once with shastra gyana can wash away all sins as heinous as brahmahatya also, but living in the delusional world, such natives despise even the Lord. That seals the fate.
Regards
Sonu
When malefics rahu and sat join badhaksthana, u can almost say the person is finished. Specially combos like sat+rahu, jup+rahu, jup+sat, when all these affect badhaksthana by occupation and if these associate with purva punya sthana too, then u can throw away rest of horo aside. Jup affliction like that places all the spiritual tendencies under house arrest. When the king of dharma is under a cast, what can you expect from the native ? Atheism, possession, lack of self esteem, inflated ego, lack of direction in life, non fulfillment of desires, all get screwed badly. Native runs from pillar to post giving discourses on dambhik gyana and bhakti, as jup gets afflicted. such natives like to be spoon fed as sat the karmakaraka becomes the afflicter and afflicted both.
But lord is merciful. Inspite of this if other factors are good then native survives the fall of meteor on his life with the help of others. But in due course of time accumulates negative karma for next birth.
Help comes from all sources but with wisdom i.e. Jup affliction, native enters into suicidal mode not realizing what is he accumulating for next lives. While even just remembering Rama and Krishna once with shastra gyana can wash away all sins as heinous as brahmahatya also, but living in the delusional world, such natives despise even the Lord. That seals the fate.
Regards
Sonu
Sonu ji,
Excellent explanation. Hats off. Btw, I think I have missed a point. While doing the kama trikone. We must not ignore the role of the chhaya grahas i.e. rahu-ketu and their effects on any of the lords. In my experience this manifests in the most weird manner in the characters of unwilling celebates. Afflicted Rahu has a connection with enforced virginity. Remember Rahu Research?
Btw can you give us any pointers by judging the arudhapadas? Both bhava arudhas and graha arudhas. For proper precision, I'll present the charts of two afflicted persons, but with opposing characters, one is shy the other is hysterical. I'll need to find the charts, so it might take a little time.
regards
swamykool
Excellent explanation. Hats off. Btw, I think I have missed a point. While doing the kama trikone. We must not ignore the role of the chhaya grahas i.e. rahu-ketu and their effects on any of the lords. In my experience this manifests in the most weird manner in the characters of unwilling celebates. Afflicted Rahu has a connection with enforced virginity. Remember Rahu Research?
Btw can you give us any pointers by judging the arudhapadas? Both bhava arudhas and graha arudhas. For proper precision, I'll present the charts of two afflicted persons, but with opposing characters, one is shy the other is hysterical. I'll need to find the charts, so it might take a little time.
regards
swamykool
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
maybe i do 
Suniti, can you explain it in simpler terms? I hardly understands your posts. Do you have Lord Saturn in 5th house affecting your clarity in writing?
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Nitin21
Coolji,
Manovikalpa Karaka Moon is very important. When it ostracized by Sat and Mars in navamsa without Jup aspect, you can say all is doomed. Most astrologers miss Navamsa. When moon is in Jup signs or aspected by Jup in navamsa, then mind rules towards greater spirituality. But moon even if self placed in navamsa, but aspected by Sat-Mars in mutal aspect can cause much harm to the mind, not allowing the native to have restraint.
Now coming to Chhaya Grahas, Ketu is cause of all disconnect. When it conjoins Mars, person is severly aggressive with false pride. Specially so when it afflicts the eastern region of the horoscope. And if aspected by a strong saturn then, surely one can say that such persons will not only be harsh, lacking patience, but will also be wicked, deceitful and violent towards the other sex, partners, contractors etc.. as Mars+Ketu associate with 7th house. And add to it, if the eastern horizon rising has a fiery sign, then only God save.
But then there are exceptions too. There are some very good people with the same combos. All depends on how people take spirituality into context, before planets can have a final say
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Rahu is the amplifier sir. When it sits in 7th, then.. i have nothing more to say ... sorry..
P.S. : General observations only. Esteemed members are requested to not take to heart.
Regards
Sonu
Manovikalpa Karaka Moon is very important. When it ostracized by Sat and Mars in navamsa without Jup aspect, you can say all is doomed. Most astrologers miss Navamsa. When moon is in Jup signs or aspected by Jup in navamsa, then mind rules towards greater spirituality. But moon even if self placed in navamsa, but aspected by Sat-Mars in mutal aspect can cause much harm to the mind, not allowing the native to have restraint.
Now coming to Chhaya Grahas, Ketu is cause of all disconnect. When it conjoins Mars, person is severly aggressive with false pride. Specially so when it afflicts the eastern region of the horoscope. And if aspected by a strong saturn then, surely one can say that such persons will not only be harsh, lacking patience, but will also be wicked, deceitful and violent towards the other sex, partners, contractors etc.. as Mars+Ketu associate with 7th house. And add to it, if the eastern horizon rising has a fiery sign, then only God save.
But then there are exceptions too. There are some very good people with the same combos. All depends on how people take spirituality into context, before planets can have a final say
.Rahu is the amplifier sir. When it sits in 7th, then.. i have nothing more to say
... sorry.. P.S. : General observations only. Esteemed members are requested to not take to heart.
Regards
Sonu
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Nitin21
Coolji,
It is an insult to our beautiful ancestors to have called them Apes. . They were all very beautiful with great bodily features and luster. Shastras describe that Shri Raam was 28 ft in height and Shri Krishna was 16 ft both having a handsome body. The general characteristics of people like nakul sahdev have also been mentioned in mahabharata and that they were extremely handsome. So, Darwin does not get down my throat.
If i have to believe the texts as laid down via tradition then i prefer PArasara and Vyasadevaru over darwin anyday.
Having said that, evolution of mind is dependent on evolution of soul birth after birth. It is not possible to realize everything in one birth, so the soul aquires this layer of skin over itself to think and act in a manner conducive to its inherent behaviour. For e.g. Duryodhana was Kali Amsha so it would never believe in Krishna, at the same time Bheemasen Devaru was Vayuamsha and as a chief instrument of Lord Vishnu, never disobeyed a word of Shri Krishna.
Regards
It is an insult to our beautiful ancestors to have called them Apes.
. They were all very beautiful with great bodily features and luster. Shastras describe that Shri Raam was 28 ft in height and Shri Krishna was 16 ft both having a handsome body. The general characteristics of people like nakul sahdev have also been mentioned in mahabharata and that they were extremely handsome. So, Darwin does not get down my throat.If i have to believe the texts as laid down via tradition then i prefer PArasara and Vyasadevaru over darwin anyday.
Having said that, evolution of mind is dependent on evolution of soul birth after birth. It is not possible to realize everything in one birth, so the soul aquires this layer of skin over itself to think and act in a manner conducive to its inherent behaviour. For e.g. Duryodhana was Kali Amsha so it would never believe in Krishna, at the same time Bheemasen Devaru was Vayuamsha and as a chief instrument of Lord Vishnu, never disobeyed a word of Shri Krishna.
Regards
Hi Swamy cool:
I of course go by Darwin and believe that an important evolutionery step was somehow skipped. So the physical tail got detached but the mental tail still somehow functions as a vestigial organ.
Darwin through science predicted in advance what Brahma's approach would be inf future(during the time he lived). So Brahma first transformed the physical aspects ie the body from ape to human and then the mind. So there are 2 parts. In a few cases, due to overconfidence he skipped the second part, and some remained with the body of a human and the mind of a ------. Alas, we cannot challenge Brahma.
Dev
I of course go by Darwin and believe that an important evolutionery step was somehow skipped. So the physical tail got detached but the mental tail still somehow functions as a vestigial organ.
Darwin through science predicted in advance what Brahma's approach would be inf future(during the time he lived). So Brahma first transformed the physical aspects ie the body from ape to human and then the mind. So there are 2 parts. In a few cases, due to overconfidence he skipped the second part, and some remained with the body of a human and the mind of a ------. Alas, we cannot challenge Brahma.
Dev
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Nitin21
Gnite Sitaji .. Want to see a video before you go ?sita wrote:Hey guys where is the time to argue/hate/fight???
I m logging out
gud nt.
Sonu ji,
I understand your point. But in which amsa would the virginally fixated, Rahu addled, none too intelligent but eager to speak funkey monkey fall? Which amsa dictates permanent 'foot in mouth' and 'head up the rear' disease??
swamykool
I understand your point. But in which amsa would the virginally fixated, Rahu addled, none too intelligent but eager to speak funkey monkey fall? Which amsa dictates permanent 'foot in mouth' and 'head up the rear' disease??
swamykool
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
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Nitin21
Coolji,
Rahu is for impulse sir. Wherever it sits, there is compulsive and impulsive behaviour.
Regards
Rahu is for impulse sir. Wherever it sits, there is compulsive and impulsive behaviour.
Regards
Dev ji,
I was not aware of this theory. But it fits surprisingly well with some characters. Especially those with grandeloquent dementia. Thank you Sir for letting us know of this.
swamykool
I was not aware of this theory. But it fits surprisingly well with some characters. Especially those with grandeloquent dementia. Thank you Sir for letting us know of this.
swamykool
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
Sonu ji,
Most of our esteemed astrologers seems to have gone to sleep. Its only you and me discussing. I think this sort of important matter needs more input and a larger number of educated views. Should we continue this tomorrow? For the sake of clarity and precesion, lets chart with one chart and after finishing that we'll take a look at the other. Hidden snakes are always more interesting, so we might start with that first. And the hysterical person can be dealt with later, he is not much important anyway. His only asset is a very spiritually advanced rear.
What say you?
swamykool
Most of our esteemed astrologers seems to have gone to sleep. Its only you and me discussing. I think this sort of important matter needs more input and a larger number of educated views. Should we continue this tomorrow? For the sake of clarity and precesion, lets chart with one chart and after finishing that we'll take a look at the other. Hidden snakes are always more interesting, so we might start with that first. And the hysterical person can be dealt with later, he is not much important anyway. His only asset is a very spiritually advanced rear.
What say you?
swamykool
It's better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.
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Nitin21
Coolji -Here is one video for you.. And now I say Goodnite. Will catch up with you tommorow..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afBxXGri ... re=related ... pl watch full .. pl..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afBxXGri ... re=related ... pl watch full .. pl..
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shinu.mehrotra
very true.Anyway, kindly avoid posting tomorrow and watch them play like children and discuss spirituality which they claim to possess excellent knowledge.
The chart-
is due to sade-sati as moon is afflicted? My humble 2 cents
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shinu.mehrotra
so true.by akanksha2807 » Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:59 am
Dear All,
I was very disaapointed to read the comments posted here, in this forum; where all this is posted under the heading "Spirituality, Astrology, Bhagwad Geeta..."
I have had very high regards for some of the senior members here and I seriously did not expect this from Astroboy...I had a very different impression about him... even if he was trying to help Basab ji, he would have conveyed his message properly and not sarcastically...
I might be new member to all of you, but not for Basab ji & Aseem ji...I have been in discussion with both of them for quiet long time now and I always felt that Basab ji is very nice person unlike what Dev ji has said about him...
Everyone has difficult phases in life, so has Basab ji, it is not a person's choice to be in difficulty so same for him as well. And at the same time it is also true that the same phase will not continue forever....he will have his own expereinces in his life the way he is destined to .... and he will come out of it ultimately . Each phases of life bring some lessons to learn ...to gain something ...he might be going through a phase where he might be gaining something very high spirtualistically but not materialistically......let this phase of his life gets over and if god wanted him to go through this, it must have something stored for him too ....and i seriously feel that everyone is mature enough to understand this ......and it is very shameful that people who all understand this are making fun of someone's life...I am really sorry to say this....
