Vidya - The Education

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Thanks Milredr.

One last point. If the sloaka is only meant for Rahu Mahadasa and Ketu Bukhti, why I did claim earlier on that I have good effects of Ketu whenever its period is operating, without any reference made to Rahu's Mahadasa?

Well the point is that planets always give their effects in the chart whether their dasa period is operating or not. But the lower the dasa period like Bukhti, then the more need there is for that period of that planet to be operating at that level. Since Mahadasa is operating at the topmost level, there is the least likely need for the Mahadasa period of the relevant planet to be operating.

So when my Ketu period is operating, we can assume there is a higher level period of Rahu operating above Ketu in a weaker form even though this Rahu Mahadasa is not explicitly operating. Hence I feel the beneficial effects.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Ghrishneswar]

What about 4th house? Has 4th house no say in Education?

[Saindhavi]

Hina,

In my opinion, Saturn took him abroad and gave him all those opportunities, but Saturn the ruler of family aspects the Lagna adversely. Hence, His not completing PhD because of family problems.

We have to see how is Lagna Lord Jupiter and how is the 5th house of intellect.

Khoo HL,

Thanks for that detailed explanation. Just an example -

Mars and Ketu in Libra Lagna, Rahu and Venus in Aries 7th house. Does it give the above Raja yoga?

Mars the ruler of 7th aspects its own house in 7th and also Rahu, while is conjunct with friend Ketu.

Venus is the Lagna lord aspecting its own Lagna house and also Ketu, while in conjunction with friend Rahu.

So, would this be a Raja Yoga?

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

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In this horoscope Vidya karaka Budha is the lord of 8th is in 3rd and in papakarthari. With this we can say that vidya is less.

In 5th house, gaja kesari Guru + chandra are along with uchha shukra. So we can say that the native must be educated.
But here Shukra is the lord of 12th is with Guru and Chandra, hence we can say that there is problem for vidya.

Ketu in 2nd and rashiadipathi Guru is balista in his own house.Therefore ketu got the balistatha from Guru.

In Vidya sthana the 4th house, balista Shani is with medical karaka Ravi and kuja . Shani gave his balishtatha to Ravi and Kuja . Since kuja is lagnadipathi, kuja got the balishtatha first from Shani. Ravi got the balishtatha from Shani only after kuja got it.

The sambandha of Lagna + 4th lord + 10th lord has created Rajayoga.

Since Shani is balista ( in 4th house,his own house ) the native could successfully completed MS ( heart surgeon ) and made his name among famous surgeons.

Thus , u can now see how this yoga came from shani Bagwan.

To be continued----------- Let us see what Gunjur Ramachandra Shasrtri says about VIDYA

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Saindhavi

Yes, it is a Raja Yoga because Ketu is in a Kendra/Trine which is the Lagna. It need not be just assoicating the Lagna Lord. If let's say Lagna is not a Kendra/Traine, then the above is not a Raja Yoga because Ketu here is not associating with the Lagna Lord, it just get the aspect of the Lagna Lord which is Venus.

But because the yoga is also defined with Ketu in a Kendra OR in a Trine OR ASSOCIATING (not apsect) with a Lagna Lord, therefore it is a Raja Yoga.

Rgds
Khoo

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

So the above bavas ( 2-5-9th) and its lord should be balista to ascertain the VIDYA in each horoscope.

Let us see what our Guruji Sri Ramachandrta Shastri says and which bavas he sees while predicting the Vidya yoga.

As per him:-

2nd bava is Alpa Vidya or Kanishta Vidya,
4th bava is Samaanya ( ordinary ) Vidya,
9th bava is Unnath Vidya or Higher Education

If 2nd lord and bava is balishta, the native will go upto lower standard
If 4th bava and lord is balishta, the native will go up to Pre- University ( PUC )
If 9th bava and lord is balishta, the native will go for good education

To be continued------------------

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Now let us understand the Sootras for Kanishta Vidya or NO Vidya in a jataka:-

Shani should be in 2nd or his drishti to 2nd bava,
2nd lord in 6-8-12 and should be in Makara or Kumba rashi,
2nd lord is Neecha,
Guru and Shani together in Makara or Kumba,
Guru and Shani in 6-8-12
Guru and Shani in Neecha sthana,( here , if Guru becomes neecha is good . I will explain WHY later ),
Shani should have the Sambadha to lagna,
Lagnadipathi in 6-8-12
Lagnadipathi is neecha,
Lagnadipathi in lagna in Makara or Kumba or Lagnadipathi in Makara.

If every above Sootras are there in a jataka , then u should say boldly -- Vidya Heena or No Education

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If 3 or 4 are there in jataka , then u must say that he must have studied only upto Primary level

Let me explain the example in a Chart

To be continued------------------------

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

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Let us predict VIDYA of this jataka as per the Sootra

No Shanis samparka to 2nd house,
2nd lord Guru is not in 6-8-12,
2nd lord Guru is not Neecha,
No sanyoga of Guru + Shani,
Guru and Shani are not in 6-8-12,
Guru and Shani are not Neecha ,
Shani in Lagna ,
Lagnadipathi Kuja is not in 6-8-12
Lagnadipathi Kuja is not Neecha,
Lagnadipathi Kuja is not in Makara

But 2nd lord Guru is in Shani nakshatra. Lagna have the Shani yoga. Therefore native attended the school only for few days and left lateron because he had brain tumor

To be continued----------------

[Saindhavi]

Srinivas Sir,

What I see in these charts -

Surgeon's chart -

Mars the signifier of medicine, along with 10th ruler Sun, aspects 10th house, thus making the native a surgeon. Ketu also signifies medicinal practice, though of parallel kind. The surgeon may have interest in other forms of medicine.

5th house should help him to achieve great success in his profession.

Saturn is strong in 4th and adversely aspects 10th and the Lagna and afflicts Mars the Lagna ruler. Thus, Saturn periods may cause problems for the native's growth in career.

The second chart (1987) -

Saturn is malefic in Lagna, with Rahu malefic in 5h house and afflicting Jupiter and Sun. Saturn and Rahu together have caused brain tumour and forced the person to leave school.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Khoo HL,
Saindhevi

I pasting back the answer to your last query here and have deleted all references there. Please see my full reply to your query below.

QUERY

Thanks for your response.

What I find intriguing is that it should be said that this combination of Ketu-Rahu in 1-7 axis should be a Raja Yoga regardless of sign placement.

You know that Rahu-Ketu malefic in 1-7 axis don't give good results, while if they are in friendly houses in 1-7 axis, they give good results.

that's why I feel this theory should be tested with real-life charts.

Of course, this is also an issue of what exactly does a Raja Yoga mean, or does it mean different things in different cases?

MY RESPONSE

No Saindhavi. You miss the whole point. The reason why this Yoga exist is because this occurs only during Rahu Mahadasa and Ketu Bukhti.

Somehow or other when Ketu comes under Rahu Mahadasa, this goodness is manifested regardless of sign. It is like what I told milredr my chart having the dispositor of Rahu going with Ketu would benefit even more than the usual person's Rahu Mahadasa and Ketu Bukhti.

To take a computer science example.

You follow modular programming. Rahu is placed in the top module and Ketu as a sub-module. This more than eliminates the programming language used like Assembly Language which is prone to errors because of its cryptic syntax and COBOL another programming language because of its verbose syntax. But modular programming solves at least 90% of the problem. But in addition to the precept of modular programming, let's say we use a structured language like Java or C++ then we can reach close to 100% for perfection.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

By the way Saindhevi, this Raja Yoga of Ketu being placed in a trine/kendra or associating with the Lagna Lord is not only regardless of sign, it is regardless whether you are talking about any of the nodes placed in Lagna.

You seem to like to single out that nodes in Lagna is a special case but according to this Raja Yoga definition from BPHS, it is not. The example you give with Ketu in Lagna is just one of the many examples of Ketu being placed in a trine or kendra ie. based on the definition of this Yoga.

Of course the example you give can be analysed in another context by signs or by the Lagna itself. That may then detract or increase the goodness of this Raja Yoga. But that is besides the point. We are talking about the Raja Yoga now.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

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quote="Saindhavi"]Srinivas Sir,

What I see in these charts -

Surgeon's chart -

Mars the signifier of medicine, along with 10th ruler Sun, aspects 10th house, thus making the native a surgeon. Ketu also signifies medicinal practice, though of parallel kind. The surgeon may have interest in other forms of medicine.

5th house should help him to achieve great success in his profession.

Saturn is strong in 4th and adversely aspects 10th and the Lagna and afflicts Mars the Lagna ruler. Thus, Saturn periods may cause problems for the native's growth in career.

The second chart (1987) -

Saturn is malefic in Lagna, with Rahu malefic in 5h house and afflicting Jupiter and Sun. Saturn and Rahu together have caused brain tumour and forced the person to leave school.

PS - Would you say my Rahu makes me read charts in this manner?

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Dear Saindhaviji,

Thanx for the reply . Ur prediction is absolutely right and there is no second thought about it .

One thing u have to note here is --Shani gives good phala when he in his own house and should be in kendra irrespective of Shatru to lagna lord.

Regards

P.S.Rao

[Saindhavi]

Srinivas Sir,

Thanks for your response. I have learnt something invaluable from you about Saturn and will observe it in future.

So, with Saturn exalted in Libra nowadays, would you say that exalted Saturn in Libra Lagna charts would have benefic aspects on 7th and 10th houses, eventhough 7th house is the debilitating house and 10th house is the inimical house of Saturn in a Libra ascendant chart?

[lovacrs]

Rao ji,

Thanks for the informative posts very methodically written as is usual to you!

When I tried applying the rules to my own chart (20/feb/60 Mysore 14:55) could not get it right.

1. 2nd Lord debilitated in 6th in Sa's nakshatra
2. 5th lord in 8th in friend's sign in close yuti with Kuja
3. Lagnesh and vidya karaka Budha in 9th with Su
4. Sa and Guru in Dhanus in 7th
5. Ra alone in 4th

I am just a graduate and had no problem with my education. Though I could have continued I was never inclined. I made some half hearted attempts at IAS, MBA ...

My question is why is it that I did not do any higher studies despite a super strong 9th, very well placed Guru, Budha and 9th lord Sa in quadrant aspecting lagna and lagnesh?

CRS

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

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quote="Saindhavi"]Srinivas Sir,

Thanks for your response. I have learnt something invaluable from you about Saturn and will observe it in future.

So, with Saturn exalted in Libra nowadays, would you say that exalted Saturn in Libra Lagna charts would have benefic aspects on 7th and 10th houses, eventhough 7th house is the debilitating house and 10th house is the inimical house of Saturn in a Libra ascendant chart?

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Dear madam,

When u predict the phala , u should see 3 things .

Bhava , Bhavadipathi and Karaka . If all these 3 are spoiled or balaheena , only then u have to say that the phala is not good. Otherwise not.

If u say that exalted graha gives the debilitated effect to its debilitated house, then there may not be any meaning to Exalted planets.

It is natural that every natural malefic planets shows its malefic qualities even though they are mitra to lagna lord or yoga karaka to lagna. But its quantum of malefic is less when it is yoga karaka .

Tula lagna , shani in lagna . If the Shani is efflicted by papa graha then the Shani cannot give its yoga phala to the native . It is quite natural to all grahas.

Secondly , u should see whether the Shani in which nakshatra. If Shani in chittra nakshatra, shani cannot give its yoga phala fully. If shani in Rahu nakshatra , shani will give its yoga phala fully. If shani is in guru nakshatra, since guru is 3 and 6 th lord , shani may not give its phala fully.

Lastly u should see what is the condition of 7th lord kuja

Exalted planets whether is papa or shubha , it will give benefic phala depends on which lordship it got and in which bava is placed. As per the bavadipathya and karakatwa it mixes both and give the phala.

If i take ur rules , then the whole 7th bava is gone, all the karakatwas / bhava phala of 7th house is gone by the aspect of uchha Shani for tula lagna. How can it be madam ?

When the Shatru Graha becomes Uchha for each Lagna:

Generally for each Lagna , there are Shubha and Ashubha Grahas. But these Shubha and Ashubha is decided as per their Adipatya (Lordship)

As per Laghu Parashari and Jataka Chandrika, kendrapathya for Natural benefic planets is not good and at the same time Konadipatya is not good for Natural malefic planets. U can refer my thread-- When Shatru graha becomes uchha .

This is my opinion , it may not be true to u. or i may be wrong

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Rao ji,

Thanks for the informative posts very methodically written as is usual to you!

When I tried applying the rules to my own chart (20/feb/60 Mysore 14:55) could not get it right.

1. 2nd Lord debilitated in 6th in Sa's nakshatra
2. 5th lord in 8th in friend's sign in close yuti with Kuja
3. Lagnesh and vidya karaka Budha in 9th with Su
4. Sa and Guru in Dhanus in 7th
5. Ra alone in 4th

I am just a graduate and had no problem with my education. Though I could have continued I was never inclined. I made some half hearted attempts at IAS, MBA ...

My question is why is it that I did not do any higher studies despite a super strong 9th, very well placed Guru, Budha and 9th lord Sa in quadrant aspecting lagna and lagnesh?

CRS

Since 4th house is called as VIDYA Sthana , 4th house should be good .One will get good education only when there is sambandha to 4th house. If ther is no sambandha to 4th house, then there may not much progress in Vidya. U will get the progress of that bava only.

That means ,
Malefic graha should not be there in 4th or
there should not be malefic sambamdha to 4th or
malefic graha should not aspect 4th or
4th house should not be in papa karthari or papa madya or
4th lord should not be in 6-8-12 and neecha or,
Vidyakaraka Budha and Guru should not be neecha and in 6-8-12
U must see what Dasha- bhukthi the native is running during the period of education ( till 30 years )

4th house should have the sambandha of balishta Guru or Shukra. But they should not be dagda , vakra ( neecha ) If the balishta Guru or Shukra have the sambandha to 4th , the 4th bava ie:- Vidya bava will have the strength and the native will have the Vidya yoga.

My thread is not yet completed , u see after the completion of this thread , whether any of the soothras applys to u or not.

As per me , one should give much importance to 4th house for VIDYA. If this is not well placed then he will have difficulties in higher education.

Thanx

[Saindhavi]

Srinivas Sir,

I was only trying to understand how you interpret it.

Thanks very much for your response.

[anuradha]

by lovacrs » 021211

Rao ji,

Thanks for the informative posts very methodically written as is usual to you!

When I tried applying the rules to my own chart (20/feb/60 Mysore 14:55) could not get it right.

1. 2nd Lord debilitated in 6th in Sa's nakshatra
2. 5th lord in 8th in friend's sign in close yuti with Kuja
3. Lagnesh and vidya karaka Budha in 9th with Su
4. Sa and Guru in Dhanus in 7th
5. Ra alone in 4th

I am just a graduate and had no problem with my education. Though I could have continued I was never inclined. I made some half hearted attempts at IAS, MBA ...

My question is why is it that I did not do any higher studies despite a super strong 9th, very well placed Guru, Budha and 9th lord Sa in quadrant aspecting lagna and lagnesh?

CRS
CRS
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Sir, I take 5L and 5H[ 60%] for education[ of your choice], 5L in 8H not a good promise along with 8Land 11L Mars. The Dasha was of Mercury in those days , very well placed but aspected by 8L Saturn and conjunct with 3L sun. The break of education would have been in Mercury - Saturn - Venus, Venus is in the 8H[ 11-01-1981 to 22-06-1981]. You must joined the job in Mercury-Saturn - Jupiter[25-05-1982 onward]. Your early love marriage may be the reason for this. In navmansha Saturn is in 8H in exchange of Venus.5L of navmansha is also in 8H[ Moon] is confirming it.2H is taken for the beginning of learning at home within the family[10%], 4H is taken for home atmosphere conducive for learning, learning at home without choice[30%]. Lastly karka for education is Jupiter is also very well placed but with 8L Saturn. So the 5L of rashi and navmansha chart is in 8H is the reason, followed by the anter dasha of 8L Saturn of rashi chart. Saturn is also in the 8H of navmansha. Regards

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

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quote="Saindhavi"]Srinivas Sir,

I was only trying to understand how you interpret it.

Thanks very much for your response.

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Dear madam,

I am sorry , if my reply hurt u. I appreciate ur queries and ur analysation, kindly dont misunderstand.


Regards

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Sootras for POORNA VIDYA or Higher education

1) Ravi, Chandra, Kuja, Budha, Shukra being the 9th lord in 9th house preferably in Simha, Karka, Mesha, Vrischika, Mithuna, Kanya, Tula, Vrishaba, Dhanu and Meena.

2) 9th lord in 1-4-7-10-5-9-11

3) Lagnadipathi in 9th, 9th lord in lagna

4) Lagnadipathi in 1-4-7-10-5-9-11 and balishta

5) Kuja being the 9th lord, should be in Simha, Mesha, Vrischika, Mithuna, Kanya, Vrishabha, Tula , Dhanu and Meena

6) Shani being the 9th lord in 1-4-7-10-5-9-11 and should be in Simha, Karka, Mithuna, Vrishabha, Tula, Dhanu and Meena.

To be continued-------------------

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Other very importanat SOOTRAS for Vidya yoga:-


1) 4th lord in 4th in uchha, mitra, swakshetra and
aspected by Guru or Shukra.
Here Budha should be balishta.

2) 4th lord, Guru and Budha in mitra, uchha kshetra and
should not be dagda or astha.
The native will have the good education.

3) 9th lord in 9th or
in 1-4-7-10 which is mitra, uchha or swa- kshetra and
if the 9th sookshmadipathi Budha or Guru is balishta,
then the native will have the excellent education.

4) 4th lord in ucha, swa- kshetra, mitra kshetra and
if his sookshmadipathi is Budha,
then the native will go for good education.

5) Guru and Shukra together in 1-4-7-10-5-9 and
if the Guru is sookshmadipathi for the 4th house and
in ucha, mitra, swa-kshetra,
then the native will have very good education.

6) Ravi- Budha yoga or
If Ravi is in chaturtha sookshmadipathi budhas nakshatra,
it is then called as Nipuna Yoga.
With this there will be good education .
But Budha should not be in neecha or in shatru sthana.

To be continued---------

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

7) If lagna sookshmadipathi is Budha or Guru,
then the native will have the interest in education

If Shani is 3rd bavas sookshmadipathi,
then the native will have many hurdles or problems in education

9) If Dashamadipathis navamshadipathi in dashama in rashi chakra and
in mitra, swa-kshetra or in uchha,
then the native will have very good education.

10) 2nd and 9th lords in 1-4-7-10 along with the sthanadiopathi( lord of 1-4-7-10 ) and
aspected by Guru,
then he will have very good education

11) If 4th lord in 6th and
in neecha or shatru sthana or
6th lord in 4th,
then the native will have problems in education

To be continued---------

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

12) Laqgnadipathi in 5th and
in swa-kshetra, uchha, mitra kshetra,
then the native will have the good education

13) 2nd lord in 5th and
in swa, mitra , uchha kshetra then
the native will have very good education

14) 4th and 5th lords in 6th and
in neecha, shatru rashi,
then the native will suffer from Buddhi Maandya and
there is no progress in education

Dear Mr Kunal , i have explained to the best of my knowledge. U may have satisfied with this or may not . I tried to bring most of the points my Guru taught me , it may be wrong and please correct me if i am wrong and i appreciate and look forword such good knowledge seeking questions or doubt from u.

Thanx to the readers and to all those who responded to this thread

Mr Kunal ur question about VIDYA is a thoughtful and deep rooted one. To give the answer to this is not so easy and it requires lot of experience

If we see one - one vichaar , u will get many , many Soothras in jyothish shastra. Since it is impossible to explain all those soothras, i have attempted here to explain few important soothras for yours as well as readers academic interest.

I have taken few Soothras from Jataka Tatwa, Jataka Sarvaswa and Jataka Chintamani and also from Krishnamoorthy paddathi Naadi amsha.

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Higher Studies:-

4th house and Karaka Budha,
Karaka Bhudha in Ucha, swa- kshetra, mitra kshetra and
should be in 1-4-7-10-5-9,
4th house should have Guru or Shukra or Bhudha,
Rashi bala is required

Vidyawantha :-

1) Karaka Budha in 1-4-7-10-5-9 and in swa-kshetra, mitr -kshetra, Uchha. Balishta graha should be in 2nd house.

2) 2nd lord in 1-4-7-10-5-9 and should be balishta

Then the native will become well qualified.

Avidyawantha :-

1) Papa graha in 2nd house and 2nd lord + Karaka Budha in 6-8-12

2) If the 4th house is abala or balaheena

Then the native will become avidyawantha.

Panchama Sthana ----- Buddhi Sthana

Chaturtha Sthana ----- Vidya Sthana

P.S.Rao

[Hina]

Mr. Rao,

As usual great post. Everyone is indebted to you.

[lovacrs]

Thanks Rao Sir,

Sir, I take 5L and 5H[ 60%] for education[ of your choice], 5L in 8H not a good promise along with 8Land 11L Mars. The Dasha was of Mercury in those days , very well placed but aspected by 8L Saturn and conjunct with 3L sun. The break of education would have been in Mercury - Saturn - Venus, Venus is in the 8H[ 11-01-1981 to 22-06-1981]. You must joined the job in Mercury-Saturn - Jupiter[25-05-1982 onward]. Your early love marriage may be the reason for this. In navmansha Saturn is in 8H in exchange of Venus.5L of navmansha is also in 8H[ Moon] is confirming it.2H is taken for the beginning of learning at home within the family[10%], 4H is taken for home atmosphere conducive for learning, learning at home without choice[30%]. Lastly karka for education is Jupiter is also very well placed but with 8L Saturn. So the 5L of rashi and navmansha chart is in 8H is the reason, followed by the anter dasha of 8L Saturn of rashi chart. Saturn is also in the 8H of navmansha. Regards

I graduated in 79 and joined a job same year. Got married (very conventional - Ju+Sa in 7th ) much later in 86. Somehow I always preferred learning myself and ended up giving much less respect to class room learning than what it deserved

CRS