Celebrating The Combustion of Saturn...

[Dev]

Dear Saindhavi:

I gave a detailed reply to your PM but first time it reached u and the second time, it says PM is disabled.
Dev

[Saindhavi]

Devji,

I am sorry for this. I am keeping the PM disabled because of some problem I have faced.

You may post it here if you like.

Regards and sorry once again.

[explorings]

Now, I present below the birth details of a native. What do you think of Saturn's role in this native's life? -

9th June 1949

14.10pm

Amritsar

Saindhaviji:

Thanks for your PM. Very interesting horoscope.


The native is Mangalik from Moon (7th) and Shukra (12th).

Lagnesh and 10th lord Mercury in 9th house (sign of Venus) along with friendly Sun and inimical Mars (Rasi Lord). Venus (9L & 2L) is placed in 10th house, i.e. friendly Mercury. Excellent Parivartan Yoga. Native will achieve name and fame through professional career. Jupiter and Saturn also have a strong aspect on 9th house further fortifying the 9th house.

I am not surprised if the native has a very strong personality more as Martian personality and will be extremely short-tempered, razor-sharp speech, and strong orator skills (considering the native native is strongly mangalik). Such a personality is good for a male figure. If the native is a lady, it may create problems in married life as well as professional life due to her razor-sharp tongue and harsh words. In case of a lady, it is better if she directs her martian energy towards writing or some kind of profession like politician or lawyer, where strong speech or words or orator skills are required.

Venus in 10th house will give a spouse who is well-educated and honorable. However, Ra/Ke on 2/8 axis in lagna chart and 6/12 in moon chart... may cause some problems in married life. Furthermore, Jupiter (7th lord), karaka of marriage and children is debilitated indicating problems in married life and in having children. 5th lord Saturn is placed in inimical sign of Sun, either had delayed children or troubled pregnancy. If Jupiter in 5th house was not debilitated chances of male progeny was good however, in this case, if the native has any children will have only female progeny. If the native has female progeny, daughters will be prosperous and make the native proud. Son will be trouble to the native.

Jupiter is also a karaka of education. In this case, it is placed in house of education (5th) and although its debilitated, it has a strong aspect on Rasi Lord (mars), lagna lord (mercury) and in turn 9th house. It also aspects 2nd, 3rd, and 4th house. The native will be extremely intelligent, highly qualified, and well-educated/learned. Most of the fame and fortune will be self-earned and will be through education. Jupiter's aspect on 9th house and Sun been in 9th house, will give power and authority in profession.

Saturn in 12th in an inimical sign will give lots of hidden/secret enemies, no sleep, and the native will be unable to settle in one place. 12th lord Sun is again in 9th house, chances of settling away from the place of birth or always traveling are high. The native may have some problems with father or authority. Shani Mahadasha for this native was in early age, so chances of been separated from parents or devoid of comforts from parents is likely.

The chart's primary focus is strong 9th house, it seems everything revolves around the 9th house and all beneficial planets aspect this house.

Coming back to Saturn, I feel current Saturn combustion may be have increased mental stress for the native. The native will start its Sade Satti (3rd and last one) in November 2011 when Saturn will be exalted in Libra. The native may face health problems, immense mental stress and troubles, and in short, will have problems in professional as well as domestic life (more on domestic front). It may cause extreme mental, physical, and emotional issues. The native should take good care of health. Some recognition/accolades in professional front may be obtained during this Sade Satti.

As said earlier, the chart is best suited for a male personality and I would not be surprised if he is extremely powerful or in high authority. It would best if the martian energy and strong orator skills are directed towards writing, or in professions where such skills are appreciated like politician or a lawyer. 9th (Dharma) and 10th house (Karma) Parivartan will assure that these skills are used for general good and are not detrimental in any way... Karma will become Dharma for the native!

[Dev]

Hi Saindhavi:

I had written down a detailed reply and since u had disabled, it was lost. Anyway I will try to write a few lines from what I had written before.
I will try to read if needed. I have not misunderstood u at all since I dont claim expertise in astrology and my readings may go wrong as well but due to my genuine interest in astrology, they cant all be wrong.
So I said, I dont mind reading and when some points go wrong when compared with real situation(since u know the person), I would not mind accepting them gracefully.

Dev

[Ghrishneswar]

Shikham,


I am by now notorious for talking sacrilege and I'll do it again - I have never thought of Amitabh Bachchan as a great actor. He could rise only because all those films were especially tailor-made for him, not because he was a great actor. I see now that he has a debilitated Venus and a not very strong Moon. But Saturn ensured that his films would be tailor-made for him and Jupiter ensured him success and wealth. No

Saindhavi>>
If you see Amitabh's Ve, it is Taurus. I will not consider his acting skills ordinary. Skills are determined by navamsa placement of planets not their rasi placements, especially deep rooted skills, creativity or talent.
Ve is in Taurus in 3rd house in D9 points to it.
This Ve is in Simhaasan in dasavarga charts.
from karakamsa in D9, ve is lord of 3rd house acting talent in 10th house in D9.
For this Ve I will say that it is bad looking tree that is very capable of bearing very sweet fruit.
Because it is neecha in rasi...it will give its share of some issues.
People did consider him talentless, bad looking, did not get a very stunning wife.

Jupiters is exceptional... it is D9 lagna lord and exalted vargottama. It will not give acting talent though.

[shikham]

Hi Saindhavi, I am ready!

[Saindhavi]

Ghrishneshwar,

I didn't say Jupiter gave him acting talent. I said Jupiter gave him success and wealth - his acting talents not withstanding.

I know there are millions of Indians who wouldn't agree with me for saying Amitabh Bachchan is not a great actor and that's fine by me. Your Navansha analysis is good.

Well, anyone who thinks Jaya Bhaduri is not great looking, has not seen her younger days' photos, when she was a megastar and Amitabh Bachchan was a struggling new entrant.

Please click on this link and scroll down the page to see her photos - http://ilovelovelovedharmendra.[NO EXTERNAL LINKS PLEASE] ... -1971.html

See this as well - http://www.chakpak.com/cpl/photoframe?id=27318

Only Jupiter could have brought a spouse like Jaya Bhaduri to Amitabh Bachchan. He is particularly fortunate in marriage, eventhough she is not so fortunate in marriage. He practically finished off her film career and wasn't even faithful to her.

Amitabh Bachchan doesn't have even one fourth of the acting talent of Jaya Bhaduri.

OK ALL,

About the Amritsar chart above.

Both readings above are great and I'm really sorry Devji's long reading was lost. But let's hope he'll join in further discussion.

This chart belongs to the following famous personality -



Kiran Bedi, the quintessential first woman IPS officer of India!

Famous, won many international awards, always moving, always fighting against the authorities, always getting into conflicts, did a PhD on drug abuse from IIT Delhi, a law degree and Master's in Political Scence from Amritsar. Won the prestigious Magsaysay award for her reforms in Tihar Jail.

Achieved distinction in her career as a police officer, yes she comes across as a very "masculine woman" too and of course was in an authoritative position.

Finally, was again mired in controversy over Delhi Police Commissioner's post, was superseded by a junior officer and left job in 2007 to run an NGO and TV show for low-class workers' family problems.

Only one daughter, who has white patches on skin and doesn't match her mother in anyway.

Had a love marriage, never had a divorce but husband stopped coming to meet her in Delhi after 10 years of marriage.

For long she has been popular with the common people but unpopular with the authorities. Recently, since she joined Anna Hazare's Lokpal movement, she has lost some of her popularity amongst those who are not with Anna Hazare. She is going to be awarded a prestigious Danish award soon.

Shikham - see what score you would give yourself!

PM is open.

[shikham]

I failed!!!!

[Saindhavi]

Shikham,

No many of your readings were correct - travelling (though not foreign settlement - see Saturn blocking 12th), brilliant mind, children problem, marriage problem, not exactly isolating herself, but she has turned towards spirituality and meditation etc. So you were quite good, don't worry about it.

Her chart also shows that despite Rahu-Ketu axis on 1-7 in malefic house, love marriage is possible - in one's own community - 5th lord Saturn has a friendly aspect on 2nd house.

Her chart also shows that police service is ruled by Saturn, not Mars - punishing the criminals and delivering justice - again, Saturn aspects 2nd house of wealth.

Saturn is very important in her chart, apart from the Yogas in 9th-10th houses.

[shikham]

Yeah, Saturn indeed played a vital role in her career. Who says that Ketu/Rahu in 1st/7th axis is bad for marriage?

[Saindhavi]

Not always, but her Rahu and Ketu are in adverse zodiac signs. Without Saturn's protection, she couldn't have got married and finally, Rahu did have his way by keeping her husband away.

[shikham]

Rahu is a demonic planet. A demon is known to run after many girls in case if it is male while a female demon will run after many males which causes problems to those already married and guess what can be the result

[explorings]

Okay, I am happy tat most of my speculation were right, however I strongly felt that the person may be in law and in high power and authority, like a Supreme Court Magistrate... considering Sun, mar, and merc together in dharma stana.

I am somehow getting the Ra/Ke axis on 2/8 instead of 1/7 and seems to be a problematic marriage. Now to think about it, 1/7 seems apt as she did have an unconventional marriage (~Wikipedia).

5th and 6th lord Saturn in inimical sign and saturn is associated with skin, no wonder her daughter had white patches.

Okay I am satisfied not all that bad!

[explorings]

coming back to the thread topic,

Is there any change in Saturn's degree of combustion in Virgo? I had an unconventional experience today something that I might link to Saturn in Libra and bringing out the qualities of Libra.

Saturn has always forced me to get my priorities straightened out and over the period of time, I have started liking Saturn's transits.

[USR]

A man can be of female nature and a female can be of male nature.Such persons get mingled easily with opposite sex.They appear as demons to real people.
Astrology should see this point also (Trishamsa ?) for analysing the harmone imbalances.

[Saindhavi]

USR,

That's a good point about trinshansha. Perhaps you can read her trinshansha if you like!

Explorings,

You were right on the mark on most points - I was amazed to read your analysis!

Yes, she got a law degree later and if you watch her TV show, you'll realise she actually helps poor people to settle legal cases out of court - she acts as "Magistrate" in that show and also informs the audience about the laws. Her job was of course authoritative in nature. Only, since she has joined Anna Hazare movement, she has subordinated herself to Anna Hazare, which is quite unlike her.

Rahu-Ketu axis may be different because of software - I'm using Lahiri.

About Saturn-Sun current transit - I just checked and Sun has moved today in Libra - at zero degree. Saturn is sill combust though, being within the range of 16 degrees from the Sun.

OK ALL,

Does anyone want to try reading this chart -

10th Oct 1954

8.30am (approx, Libra Lagna is confirmed by the native's personal astrologer)

Chennai

As before, I'll give the details after some people read the chart.

What role do you think Saturn plays in this chart?

[Ghrishneswar]

Ghrishneshwar,
Well, anyone who thinks Jaya Bhaduri is not great looking, has not seen her younger days' photos, when she was a megastar and Amitabh Bachchan was a struggling new entrant.

Jaya was above average looking, not a stunner as she was not tall.. beauty like acting is subjective.

[Saindhavi]

Ok, would you like to read the Chennai chart above?

[Ghrishneswar]

10th Oct 1954

8.30am (approx, Lagna is confirmed by the native's personal astrologer)

Chennai

I can tell you few things.. person might be very materialistic but may turn spritual due to some setbacks.
Exalted Sa in lagna can give all kinds of depression, loneliness, mental worries, other Saturine traits.
Everyone tells me yogakarka exlated in lagna is capable of giving very good results but it will give its malefic effects.
I have seen similar effects in another chart. Ve lagna lord is also in enemy sign.

Me is lagna is saving grace and may reduce these bad effects. Company of malefic makes Mercury also malefic but it is ninth lord so may not be bad.

This Saturn will give destroy 7th house completely but will give full material success also confirmed by exalted jupiter on 10th.

This saturn will also destroy married life also. 7th lord Mars is also with Ra. 7ht lord is aspected by Saturn, and it also aspecting 7th house. It cannot let it prosper ever.

I really dislike Sa in lagna, personal life is hell. I consider is a shrapa in personal life. Bad for husband.

I know a girl who will be divorced with next few months..she had same exalted Sa in lagna.

[ChandraLagna]

My 0.02$:

Dark, possibly stout, yet strangely inexplicably attractive. Might have had wide social circle. Well known father, yet issues in father relationship. Has attained great success in some field - possibly to do with performing arts. Merc and Sat in 12 Bhava indicates failures on personal front, yet a strong relationship / affair with some successful leader is not ruled out. No happiness on home front. Moon with Gk and Md and in 6/8 relationship with Jupiter indicates doomed romance. Guru with rahu in Navamsa indicates a highly successful person to be her lover, yet not her caste. Mars conjunct Rahu - one in SUN Nk, one in JUP nk, and mars aspecting Jup confirms the out-of-caste romance, yet not fructified.

Not likely to have married at all, and no kids.

Could have seen good phase starting 20/8/1969 till about 1991 [venus].

Regards,
Arun

[shikham]

Hi Saindhavi,

The birth details belong to Rekha!

[Saindhavi]

O Shikham,

You took the fun away from the post!



Right, this is Rekha's chart.

So, it seems I have been right all along about Saturn in Shasha Yoga casting a negative 7th aspect. Rekha's chart proves this right - as commented above.

A father who didn't recognise her paternity in childhood and when he tried to patch up, she didn't reciprocate.

Rekha has been said to be a "Cosmetic Wonder" - beginning as a dark, stout young girl to losing weight and getting beauty enhancements to become first the "Lakme woman" and then one of the most gorgeous heroines in the film industry, who still looks young enough!

(Scroll down this link page to see how she looked before becoming the "Lakme woman" - http://filmheroinsalbum.[NO EXTERNAL LINKS PLEASE].com/20 ... amous.html)

Saturn has helped Jupiter to make her as one of the legends on the silver screen, but it has also given her melancholic depression and broken relationships, including one husband who committed suicide one year after marriage.

She did get married and was sought after by men, but none of these resulted in a stable relationship.

No children, only pets I believe.

Her chart also proves that exalted Jupiter in 10th is not a so-called "functional malefic" for Libra Lagna, while Yogakaraka Saturn exalted in Lagna will cause problems in 7th house, unless deep combust.

[shikham]

Venus as Lagna Lord in 2nd house of face has given her charming look. Besides excellent Shash Mahapurush Yoga. No doubt, Saturn is her strongest planet in Lagna, from Moon in 9th house and in Navamsha in own house. She got the dasha at the right time too.

This is again the classic case of Kemadrum Yoga due to which loneliness is a part of her life.

[Saindhavi]

It is not just loneliness, but a clear case of violent and/or unpleasant breaks in relationship - caused by Saturn's aspect on 7th.

Do click the link to see her old photos.

[shikham]

I agree that Saturn's any connection with 7th house brings difficulties in relationships. It considerably delays the marriage and sometimes marriage is out of social compulsion. But what about 7th lord Mars conjunct with Rahu in 3rd house. As we all know 3rd house is house of desire and mars is markesh for this lagna, isn't it possible that this position of mars with rahu brought about the death of her husband or breaks in relations!