Very beautifully explained, Saindhavi!!!If you read her biography you will know how much she suffered in her life. She had severe chronic depression, was abused by the men in her life and finally committed suicide.
Don't see her as a legendary glamourous icon. See her as a woman born in lower middle-class who was exploited and abused all her life by powerful men and who struggled very hard to achieve what she achieved.
The matter for debate here is - Does a exalted planet give a debilitating aspect on the 7th from where he is. In the case of Indira Gandhi, Shani is in the lagna in Cancer. He is not exalted. Nowhere does Dr Robert Svoboda state that Shani's aspect on the 10th is one of debilitation. Does he say explicitly " the aspect to the 10th house is of debilitation by nature". ?? He does not say that. He merely mentions the address where Shani casts his aspect, he does not speak about the Intention or influence of that Aspect.Please note, Shani is the 8th lord and is a dangerious man for Cancer lagna.During Saturn Dasha she experienced both major advancements and Major difficulties in her career , losing power once and then staging a miraculous comeback. Saturn does participate in a desirable Parivarthana Maha yoga but also produces problems for the Cancer Ascendent because it is a Natural Malefic which aspects Gandhi's Tenth house into its debilitation Rashi.
. I have read about her life in and out. I put This horoscope here so that you could have a taste of how a exalted Natural Malefic who owns a Bad house will act. by astroboy » Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:29 am
Shani is involved in Sasa yoga. Please read my write up on Sasa yoga, you will understand how Shani works. A exalted malefic in this case Shani, will provide immense material benefits through aspects, house ownership and placement but will simultaneously give exalted problems with it. Understanding this seeming paradox is one of the major hurdles a student of Jyotish must cross and till that time, I am sorry to say that unless a student of astrology understands this paradox, the predictive ability of that student will be stunted, to put it mildly
by swamykool » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:21 am
AB,
K N Rao ji, uses Leo or Simha Lagna for Indira Gandhi. Her details were given to him by Raja Dinesh Singh, a minister in her cabinet.
swamykool
Native is doing extremely fine, having a ball of her life. Like i have said before, she thinks she is a gift to the world. She is cheerful and exudes a lot of energy around the people she is with. Its the cockiness which gets her into trouble, nothing else.by Saindhavi » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:08 pm
PS - Similarly, the native whose Saturn and Mars you showed suffers from anxiety and depression as I said above because of Saturn's aspect on the Lagna and Mars; and debilitation of Mars. I don't know the whole chart, so can't say how other planets modify this reading. But I am sure she suffers from anxiety and depression in greater or lesser measure from time to time, from the 2 planets I have seen.
: Intensity may vary depending upon other factors in the chart. Also benific / malefic results may vary depending upon the position / true-nature of the planet.astroboy wrote:A exalted malefic in this case Shani, will provide immense material benefits through aspects, house ownership and placement but will simultaneously give exalted problems with it.
Do you mean to say that while Shani will give exalted problems as well, these exalted problems will in the end resolve to a good effect for the native?59-60. Ratio of Effects: A graha in exaltation gives fully good effects while in Moola-Trikona it is bereft of its auspicious effects by one fourth. It is half beneficial in its own bhava. Its beneficence is one fourth in a friendly rashi. In an equal's rashi one eighth of auspicious disposition is useful. The good effects are nil in debilitation or enemy's camp. Inauspicious effects are quite reverse with reference to what is stated.
Good Day to you too,Good day Shikam, any text that can back your logic up? Any horoscopes where you can prove this theory practically ? I would love to see both.
Ganitavidyajna Yoga
Sun and Mercury are together in a Kendra, Trikona or the 11th house (Bhavartha Ratnakara 2/2/5).
The person is a mathematician and possesses great intelligence.(Budha is neecha in Navamsha but gets a Bhanga because he is with Shukra. Ravi is strong by Neecha Bhanga.
Neecha-Bhanga Raja Yoga
The exaltation lord of the debilitated planet is in a Kendra from Moon.
This Yoga indicates cancellation of the state of debilitation of a planet and yielding benefic results instead, being elevated to a Raja Yoga status.
Neecha-Bhanga Raja Yoga
The exaltation lord of the debilitated planet is in a Kendra from Lagna.
This Yoga indicates cancellation of the state of debilitation of a planet and yielding benefic results instead, being elevated to a Raja Yoga status.
Neecha-Bhanga Raja Yoga
The debilitated planet is associated with or aspected by its debilitation lord.
This Yoga indicates cancellation of the state of debilitation of a planet and yielding benefic results instead, being elevated to a Raja Yoga status.
Brahma Yoga
Jupiter is in a Kendra from the 9th house lords and Venus is in a Kendra from the 11th house lords, while Mercury is in a Kendra from Lagna-lord or the 10th house lords (original source unknown).
The person enjoys luxury in food and other pleasures, has the respect of spiritual and learned individuals, will be well educated, virtuous and charitable, and enjoys a long life.
Kalanidhi Yoga
Jupiter is located in the 2nd or the 5th house, either aspected by or conjoined with Mercury and Venus.
The person is wealthy, learned, virtuous, healthy, undaunted and given to sensual pleasures.
Isn't Guru very weak due to being in Gandanta and retrograde?The lagna is Dhanu. The significator of "Wisdom", and "good power of judgement" is Guru. he is placed in the 5th house of "intelligence".
How Venus can be a natural benefic for Dhanu Lagna? Aren't they enemies to each other?He is neutral to the lagna lord, is conjunct with a Natural Benefic Shukra, A conditional Benefic Budha, and is aspected By the lagna lord and the 4th lord, The super benefic Natural benefic Guru
Retrogression adds strength. It gives the planet High Chesta Bala. Guru is in Gandanta no doubt, but he is Vargothama. His degree position in the Navamsha is 6Deg52. He is out of the Gandanta point in the Amsha.
Can you please provide or quote classical texts which supports these 2 statements of yours? I think retrogression is still a controversial issue. Further, there is not a single in classical texts that say that Gandanta planet if it is vargottam will either lessen the intensity or remove it.The word I used was Natural, not conditional. Shukra is a Natural Benefic. Shukra is neutral to Guru. Guru is a enemy of Shukra. Shukra does not harm Guru. More over Shukra is exalted in the Amsha.
I agree with you that you never said thatI have never said anywhere that Kuja is the "Karaka" for "intelligence". I said Kuja is the 5th lord and is the lord of the house of " intellect "and "intelligence". please read what I write carefully.
. Some say that malefics influence on 5th house is not good for intelligence which I doubt.[/b]Now since you made a statement that a debilitated planet casts a exalted aspect on the debilitation house and Vice versa, you provide me with the text first. I will provide the texts to support my view later.Sikhdam,
by shikham » Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:12 pm
I agree with you that you never said that . Some say that malefics influence on 5th house is not good for intelligence which I doubt.
Instead I mean to say that if we look at the karakas for Mars, nowhere it is written that it rules intelligence/logic. So we cannot link 5th lord Mars to intelligence.
I feel you are getting angry, so will prefer to ignore answering the above statement.learn the basics of what the houses stand for, then debate with me.
I did not understand this by this underlined part. What is "on the debilitation house"?Now since you made a grand statement that a debilitated planet casts a exalted aspect on the debilitation house and Vice versa,
by shikham » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:11 pm
I did not understand this by this underlined part. What is "on the debilitation house"?
by shikham » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:52 am
Ok let's settle this dispute once for all.
Jupiter is debilitated in Makar and hence very weak. A very sick man will not be able to stand on its two feet firmly and see others eye to eye but he will see eye to eye to that whom he loves the most. So, Jupiter will be able to see better at its exaltation sign better.
Mars is exalted in 1st house. He is very strong and will act as protection to those houses where he will aspect but 7th aspect will be difficult as the cancer is its debility point. Suppose He is exalted in 7th house, he will command respect from others merely by his presence but its debility on 1st house will make him coward from inside.
