Will you complete graduation, post-graduation or doctorate?

[shinu.mehrotra]

@ Krishna,

Yes you are right about his technical part.

He has been a brilliant boy and currently doing PHd from a very renowned professor in USA. Thanks for your time.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Thanks Raman.

That being the case, which is why for the education side, D-24 starts with the pre-university education for analysis which is the 4th Bhava.

But then D-1 although whose 4th Bhava is LESS basic than D-24 as I mentioned above, has Bhavas like 2nd and 3rd Bhavas to consider like 2nd for immediate envionrmnent, familiy enivronment, academic talents and the 3rd Bhava in D-1 governs trades and craft specialisations etc.

So where academic education is concerned, the link is between D-1 and D-24 but through different Bhavas in each chart. And for spiritual matters the link is between D-20 and D-24.

So everything ties in.

Thanks for the additional insight which you have given me.

[Vaughn Paul]

Dear Khoo Hock Leong, Ramanan and others,
K.N. Rao and research at his school in New Delhi, Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, have demonstrated that the D-24 chart can be used for education. Naval Singh has written a great book on Planets and Education, and V.P. Goe has also written a great book on using Divisional Charts and has a chapter on the Siddhamsha D-24 and use in education. I've been using the D-24 for years to determine periods of education basing predictions primarily on the 4th, 5th and 9th houses. The lagna and lagna lord is always important for success with regards to the domain of life of any varga as well. I primarily look at Mercury and Jupiter as karakas. This is basically the method that many astrologers in North India use and my teachers have been from New Delhi so this is what I use. Other astrologers in the West like David Frawley and James Kelleher also use this method. I will post an article hopefully soon on how to see education in the D-24 with examples and collected many in a file. Vaughn Paul

[shinu.mehrotra]

So long discussions but no conclusions yet-

Here is another chart-

8-mar-1977
18:30pm
New delhi

what is his education line ?

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi All

Just wanted to add that if continuing with my idea (which Incorporates Shilpa's and Raman's idea as well), D-24 the only time when it need not make reference to D-20 for spiritual matters are three things under Mercury and one thing under Jupiter.

SPIRITUAL MATTERS - THE TWO VALVES AND THE TWO INDEPENDENT ATTRIBUTES
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Initiatory Instructions by Mercury - which determine all the significations in D-20 for spiritual matters how successful it would be.

Knowledge by Jupiter - which determine all the significations in D-20 for spiritual matters how successful it would be.

Learning By Rote by Mercury standing on its own in D-24.

Occult Knowledge by Mercury standing on its own in D-24.

So notice for someone good in astrology, either you good at it or not. there is no two step process from either D-20 or D-1 to D-24.

ACADMIC PURSUITS - THE TWO VALVES
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For education matters, BOTH Mercury (Initiatory Insturctions can be for academic pursuits as well) and Jupiter for Knowledge and Higher Education matters act as the valves to determine the success of the experience of the individual in educational pursuits as shown in D-1.

Mr. Vaugh Paul, looking forward to your point of view on D-24 in a new post.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[vidyakulkarni]

Hi Shilpaji,
Thank you for reading my son's chart.
I always read all your posts.
You are very talented.
Thanks again.
Regards,
Vidya

[swamykool]

Shilpa ji,

This is my chart 29/05/1971. 16:18, Calcutta. Will I be able to complete PhD? This matter gets delayed due to one problem or the other. What's your opinion ma'm?

regards
swamykool

[anilesh47]

Hii swamykool,

I know you have asked it to shilpa ji, I am reallly sorry to say that just for my knowledge i have use my hand to analyse ur chart. Lets see ph.d. is possible or not inur case.
1) For study jup and mer should be strong. In your case, Jup-mer in 2/12 relationship in D-24.
2) 4th lord of rashi chart placed in 12th in D-24, which shows loss in education.
3) 2nd lord is in own house and 7th lord venus aspects on 7th, it shows to interest in ph.d. No doubt it makes 2nd and 7th house strong which needs for ph.d. But
(i) Jupiter is in the nak of saturn(which is placed in house of loss)
(ii) Mercury is in the nak of ven(which is debilitated in navmansha).

4) BUT THERE IS A STILL HOPE TO COMPLETE YOUR PH.D. IT IS THE RETRO JUPITER WHICH ASPECTS ON 5TH AND 7TH HOUSE.

So IMO, i can see there is a problem to complete Ph.d. Your delay is due to sat and also Retro jupi.

Tell me one thing, R u in technical field?? I mean your career is related with machines/aircraft? Your saturn is in Vrishdhwaja so you can be good at astrology or tantrik or magician.

Thanks

Regards
Nilesh

[shilpa]

Shilpa ji,

This is my chart 29/05/1971. 16:18, Calcutta. Will I be able to complete PhD? This matter gets delayed due to one problem or the other. What's your opinion ma'm?

regards
swamykool

Dear swamykool,

--you are as good an astrologer as I have seen in forums.....so I am sure you have a fair bit fo understading of your own chart . However here is my take looking at the Rasi chart first.

--The thing that stands out strongly in your chart is 4-10 axis......very strong, driving the chart...on whihc Ra-Ket are also sitting and both quite positive in your chart....Ra much more so than Ketu.

--Mars from the 4th house in rasi aspects the 9th Lord Me...so there is an association formed between the house of early formal eductaion ( 4th) and the house of formal higher education ( 9th).....indicating success in attaining higher education, should you so endevour.

--You may be a slow,steady but firm learner...and probably not a dazzling fast one. And your earned academics may be utilized in your profession quite actively.

from siddhamsa now to see greater specifics:

--with the given birth time you have nodes sitting in your 4th house...which would imply great difficulty in getting past early educations.
Which we know is not true !
Because you are a postgraduate..i.e not only gone past early education but also attained some higher educations also.

--and your Rasi chart confirm a strong 4th house.

--therefor to align with KNOWN facts....we move the birth time 2 minutes back to 16:16...and everything fits beautfully with KNOWN facts

--with the rectified time...the Asc in Siddhamsa moves from scorpio to Libra.

--9th lord Me sits in the 4th house now...confirming a smooth transition from undregraduate to graduation.

--2nd lord Mars sits in the house of 9th Lord Me in gemini...confirming a smooth move from gradation to post-graduation.

--and the 2nd Lord Mars is the same as the 7th lord....whihc means you will transition from post-graduate to doctorals.

--Actually the chart shows doctoral could have been complete by now....you missed close opportunities in jul03-Sep-04......and sep-07-may-10 windows I think.
Or it may have been initiated in one of these periods

--I believe your birth time is 16:16 and I believe you will comple your doctoral degree.
what is the subject of your pHD would be good to know.

regards

[chavitarun]

Shilpaji
very well explained by even going beyond given birthtime
congratulation & well wishes to Swamikool in advance for Phd.

regards

[swamykool]

Hi Anilesh,

Thanks a lot for your insight. No my education is in history, not in the technical field. And what does Vrishadhwaja signify? I am not very familiar with the amsa names.

Regards
swamykool

[swamykool]

Shilpa ji,

Thanks a lot for your insightful analysis and your kind words. Regarding my own chart, I lack the confidence to analyse it properly. Your have tried to rectify the birth time and the conclusions you have arrived at is very intriguing indeed. But my father practically stood outside the delivery room watch in hand - my family is very particular about horoscopes. But just 2 minutes....who knows, you might be right.

There was a very troublesome phase in my early education during the Mer MD and Jup AD. Rest was flying colours.

Actually trouble started after the Post Graduation phase. I was throughly distracted from my educational pursuits due to family troubles and law suits. The 2003-04 window was missed due to this. The 2009-10 window, I tried my best but could not give due effort due to other pressing matters.

My degree is in History. Specialisation is in ancient period and military history. Subject of PhD is military history. In my chart Mars is exalted and both Jup and Mer sits in the H of Mar - so many people have assumed an engineering background. It is not so except a short diploma in computers and software.

Although, for your info, I did not study Engineering but I am usually very good with machines. From domestic water pumps to weaponery to computers. Had this flair from childhood. But could not pursue any tech field as I am seriously deficient in maths, especially that deals with unknown quantities.

If you need anymore feedback I'll be happy to provide. Do you see a career in academics in future? Thanks again.

Regards
swamykool

[swamykool]

Chavitarun, Thank you for your good wishes.

[shilpa]

But my father practically stood outside the delivery room watch in hand - my family is very particular about horoscopes. But just 2 minutes....who knows, you might be right

.

Hello swamykool,


a minute to two or perhaps even three.... is spent in the delivery process, whether natural or surgical...cutting the umblical cord etc....when we do not even know at what point is birth deemed to occur.

I would appreciate if you let me know whether your nature of work is related to your academics ?

b.t.w Mars as Lord of 2nd and 7th of Siddhamsa, ties in well with military related subjects.

regards

[swamykool]

Shilpa ji,

Here's your feedback. I actually do 2 kinds of work. One is my regular govt. job, it has no relation with my university education.

In a voluntary capacity I am connected with a few strategic think tanks. I do seminars and such stuff on subjects like strategic defence, counter terrorism and like. This pays nothing, but has given me a bit of name/fame in the related circles. My Univ Education comes to use in this work.

Regards
swamykool

[anilesh47]

Hii Swamycool, It means i was right that you are good at machines.

Well, Vrishdhwaja is the amsa lord, refer to shiva, who rides on his bull, Nandi. He is the lord of the spirits and mystic. You have military science knowledge, it might be due to sun's strength (in ishtaphala it is good) in your chart, it is being vargottama. Also what shilpa said about ur birth rectification is also right in my opine. Your sun is in skanda amsa in D-24 and skanda is related with military science. so ur 2nd nd 7th lord mars (d-24) supports it. Shilpa is absoultely correct.

Regards
Nilesh

[swamykool]

Hi Anilesh,

Thanks a lot for your input. It was quite revealing. And yeah I'll read up on amsa lords.

swamykool

[ChandraLagna]

Shilpaji,

At the outset, I want to congratulate you on the very well written and researched topic of higher education.

I applied those principles to the chart of the child of a friend of mine. It appears that the child will complete graduation.

However, she wants to study abroad. She is just 15, but already has ambitions to study after her 10th in either US or Europe.


Date: November 4, 1996
Time: 18:25:00
Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)
Place: 76 E 47' 00", 30 N 44' 00"

My initial analysis seems to be that this is possible. However, I am also concerned about the LL Venus Deb in Rasi and conjunct with Rahu. Rahu is also 12th to Venus in Navamsa, so am a little hesitant here.

I wanted to take your opinion on Venus part of the chart, or anything else that strikes you in favor of, or against this idea of study abroad.

Does her education mean that parents will / must also relocate, or that she will stay at some relatives place abroad, since this family has relatives in America and Europe.

Thanks for your time!
Best regards,
Arun

[shilpa]

dear arunsg123,

thx for the message and here are my quick thoughts:


--Moon the Karak for long distance travel sits in the friendly 4th house of Rasi, which is the house for upto graduation.

--12th Lord of foreign connection is Mars sitting in the friendly 4th house of education...confirming foreign possibilities in education.

--Rahu-Ketu on the 5-11 axis, and especially Rahu conjunct debilitated Venus.... in the 5th aspecting the 9th house of long term foreign stay and higher education....will create hurdles / obstaclesin higher educations.

--Also bearing in mind that 5th is the house of creative intelligence, intellect......malefic Rahu therein implies...the native's mind would be diverted towards distractions probably arising out of material pursuits/ relationship issues .....and other digressions readily availbale in a foreign land.

--So going overseas for education is very strongly possible, purely from the Rasi chart alone....and she may be able to go as early as in the Rahu anatradasa finishing before 2013, if concious effort is made.

--Overcoming distractions when in pursuit of higher qualifications and to stay focussed will be the key.
Appeasement of rahu throuhg known remedies should be taken in mu suggestion.

--and yes there is a possibility of mother being with the native...as benefic Moon is sitting in the 4th with a positive MARS.

--Looking at higher charts ain't too necessary at this time IMO, cause the rasi tells us most answers we want.


regards

[ChandraLagna]

Shilpaji -

Thanks for the analysis. As usual, crisp !

Could you provide one clarification in the above? How is it that Rahu in 5H aspects 9H?

... in the 5th aspecting the 9th house of long term foreign stay and higher education...

Regards,
Arun

[astro123]

Shilpaji -

Thanks for the analysis. As usual, crisp !

Could you provide one clarification in the above? How is it that Rahu in 5H aspects 9H?

... in the 5th aspecting the 9th house of long term foreign stay and higher education...

Regards,
Arun

rahu is supposed to aspect 5/7/9 houses away from itself although dictums related to rahu and ketu are controversial - ownerships,aspects,exaltation,deb etc

[ChandraLagna]

Oh, OK. Thanks.

Then there are some authors that claim Rahu / Ketu dont even cast aspects

As to be expected, the shadowy grahas cause quite a bit of confusion to us!!

[shilpa]

dear arun,

astro123 has already answered the Rahu aspect part.
Ketu is the weak headless planet and does not have aspects....are the rules I follow.

Rules relating to Nodes can indeed be confusing......For example I am not convinced about the ownership of houses by Ra-Ket...nor in their exaltation etc.
regards

[G.K.Raj]

Good Day Shilpaji,

Here is my son's birth details.

DOB: 9th October 1988
TOB: 2.40 PM
POB: Chennai, Tamilnadu, India

He, after completing 12th here, in India, went to aussie during feb 2007 but could not complete his degree and returned to India during feb 2011. Now he is not interested in continueing his studies here. He wants to do some degree/diploma in service industry in abroad. He wants to go to canada..

Will he complete his studies , and if so at what level? will he study in abroad and get a job?

Please guide me.

Thanking you,

God Bless You.

[2002diksha]

hi shiplaji,
hats off to your brilliant analysis for D-24 chart.can you tell the educational prospects of the following native. she had exalted mercury in ninth house and venus and sun in second house in D-24 although unconnected.she is daughter of my friend. at present she is brilliant in her studies.has lot creative energy. will she be able to tide the postgraduation and doctorate level.

thanks in advance.