Some Insights Not Found in Classics

[Murad]

if yah dont mind me askin whats a VPRY???

[Khoo Hock Leong]

It is Vipareet Rajay Yoga when a Dusthana Lord goes to ANOTHER Dusthana House.

If a Dusthana Lord in its own sign in a Dusthana that is NOT a Vipareet Raja Yoga.

[anilesh47]

Hii dev,

Moon and mars upto some extent give good result but as you said saturn is in mercury's nak then he or she has to face difficulty, remember that mercury should not be placed in 5th house otherwise his life will be full of difficult.

Regards
Nilesh

[anilesh47]

Hii Khoo,

I would like to share knowledge to you which i got somewhere from net.

Most malefic planet should not be placed in 5th house, it will finish the 5th house. For example, take your chart, Mercury is most malefic in your chart which should not be placed in 5th house because it is 3rd to 3rd and 12th to 6th. Same for dhanu lagna, Mesh lagna and tula lagna.

Regards
Nilesh

[Dev]

Thanks Anilesh

Moon and mars upto some extent give good result but as you said saturn is in mercury's nak then he or she has to face difficulty, remember that mercury should not be placed in 5th house otherwise his life will be full of difficult.

No mercury is not placed in the 5th house but he is placed with the 5th lord sun in 3rd house which is also mercury's house.

Dev

[anilesh47]

It means there is a mitigation of dusthana effects. Its good that mercury placed in 3rd with sun.

[rrr1519]

Dear Nilesh,

One of my friend is having mercury+rahu in 5th house with tula lagna and moon+ketu in 11th house.

So according to what you said, this is not a good placement.

In what way the 5th house will be destroyed. Is moon+ketu also damaging?

Regards
RRR

[Dev]

Thanks Anilesh.

Dev

[Murad]

Actually your wrong Anilesh
The 5th house even in bad sign placements still give's tremendous benefict's. Mercury in 5th makes you

fortunate in my many respect's for example, Intelligence,Merit,Education. More so if your Ascendant is

Taurus as Mercury will be Exalted, Or if your Ascendant is Aquarius as Mercury will be in its Own house, And

bad if your a Scorpio Ascendant because Mercury is dibleted unless Jupiter is well placed. If Jupiter isn't

influenced by Malefic planets your children will become meritorious and with their accomplishments will become a source of pride and joy to your family forever.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

Next principle ......

If the Moon transits to the place where your Sun is, it is the time where what you want (1st to Moon stands for infant) ties in with what your sould needs (1st to Sun). You can fulfill more than your usual number of wishes on that day especially if the Moon is transitting in a relative good position to the radix Moon.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

Next Principle .......

There is still a planetary exchange between two planets if one dispoits the other by Nakshatra and the the latter disposits the former by sign. What this means is that exchange can occur between two planets even when the basis of dispositorship in one direction of the echange is dfferent from the other direction.

Then there is the special case for the above scenatio when the two planets metnioned above happen to fall in the same Bhava. In that case, predict that during the dasa/antardasa of the planets concerned, the person would experience the effects of that Bhava fully. And not only that, the person is ablve to make use of two perspectives in tackling the affairs of the house and he does it so effectively.

Take my chart as an example.

My Moon dasa/antardasa is ually not good being stinged by Ketu. But the forthcoming Saturn antardasa and Moon antardasa next year in 2012 should be fruitful. There is an exchange between my Moon and Saturn - Moon rules the Nakshatra which Saturn is sitting in and Saturn rules the sign which Moon is in ie. Capricorn. In my case, both Moon and Saturn sits in the same Bhava as well. Thus predict that affairs of the 7th Bhava would be accentuated and come to the fore. Emotional perseverance and discipline would come to bear in tackling the affairs of the 7th Bhava.

And in my case the additional point is that Moon rules my Rahu and Saturn rules my Ketu (both by signs. The nodes energy would be integrated and channelled towards handling the affairs of the 7th Bhava.

Note : Readers must realise that such an exchange between two planets (the one which this post is talking about), the two planets NEED NOT be sitting in the same Bhava. Only in some cases, like my case, they do sit in the same Bhava. Nevertheless, the exchange is still there even if the two planets are not sitting in the same Bhava.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Murad

Your 11th in the 2nd shows that the way you control your emotions and the spiritual means you used to control in your anger is always in touch with your inner feelings. It changes with your inner attitude and moods (Cancer). There is an exchange between the 2nd and 11th as I have said.

Your 4th in the 5th shows that you do not waste your compassion on undeserving people. Your 4th lord with the other planets in the 5th shows your compassion towards others is evaluated in a holistic basis and it forms your attitude to that person (5th lord in the 2nd which is Mars). You are somewhat a perfectionist in the way you evaluate each individual and how you treat him or her.

6th in 2nd shows you are quite discriminating in the way you evaluation of a person and leaves no holes barred. Your attitude to the person rises or falls depending on the deserving nature of the person. So it is something quite war-like (a domain of the 6ht) depending on how the other person treats you.

9th in 9th shows you have faith in God and you are quite ethical in your general conduct come high or low in situations.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Murad]

You are absolutely right! That's exactly how i do things lol thank You : )

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

Now previously we talked about both planets in the same Bhava but exchange by sign in one direction and by Nakshatra in the same direction. Call this Scenario (A).

In the same vein, you can have two planets in the same Bhava but exchanging by Nakshatra. Call this Scenario (B).

You can also both planets in the same sign and in the same Nakshatra. Assuming they are also in the same padas. In this case the two planets must be in the same Bhava. Call this Scenario (C).

So what is the difference between Scenarios (A), (B) and (C)?

Scenario (A) - the planet dispositing by sign is overall in charge and has a final say how the matters of that Bhava is going to be handled. In my case I have this scenario as exmplained earlier. My Saturn has a final say in the matters of the 7th Bhava.

Scenario (B) - both planets exchanging by Nakshatra has joint say in the disposition of the matters of that Bhava.

Scenario (C) - both planets are aligned in their thinking on how the matters of that Bhava are to be tackled using their Karakatwa resources. This is the most powerful of the three scenarios. If one of these planets also happen to be ruling the sign or the Nakshatra in question whereas the other is not (otherwise it will degenerate to the earlier scenarios) that planet would control how the combined strategy (ie. the alignment of forces) is to take place.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

I have read another classic which does not subscribe to the view that Grahas in retrogade has their debilitation cancelled. So it seems even in classics there is contention on this point.

What the classic says is that the retrogade of a debilitated planet is NOT EQUAL to it being in exaltaion meaning the debilitation is not cancelled.

Thus let us revert back to the original dictum that I startd out with :

Grahas in retrogade when debilitated is strong, but it does NOT MEAN that that their debilitation is cancelled which is also Astroboy's view.

Thanks.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Murad]

Yes but when the Navamsa is in a Exalted and the planet Retrograde while also being in the 10th bhava and the lord of the Sign having full Aspects to it, it still does a good job taking about 50-55% of its debiliation or more if in a Angular house to the Moon or Ascendant.

[anilesh47]

hii murad and rrr1519, you have misinterepreted my post. See what i wanted to say that "MOST MALEFIC" planet if placed in 5th house then its not good, For cancer lagna mercury is most malefic, For tula lagna, Jupiter is malefic, Same for capricorn lagna jupiter is malefic. I have not specified about "Mercury" placement in 5th house. I am saying Most malefic planets.

[Murad]

Oh i see that nevermind, but still it doesn't automaticlly make it a Malefic there can still be some benefic's but Yeh sorry boutt that lol

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

Next principle .....

Let's say a planet is eaten up by a node by conjuncting with it because the planet itself is not well placed by sign. Notwithstanding this, during the dasa/antardasa of the planet and the antardasa/dasa of the node, the native would get a good period. This is one of the very few times when that particular's planet would be pleasant, notwithstanding being up by the node.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

Next principle ......

I have already stated when the Dusthana Lords effects can be minimised.

But how about the Dusthana Bhavas themselves. How can their evil effects be likewise minimised. Note we are now talking about facts which DOES NOT take into consideration the Dusthana Lord as we have considered these already.

For these factors it is not easy to list everything down, so let's take my chart as an example.

(1) My Venus in the Ascendant although as stated cures 10,000 evils as compared to Jupiter when placed there cures 100,000 evils, nevertheless, the fact that Venus is in the Ascendant is like a doctor which cures all the evils of the Dusthana.

6th to Lagna (which is the same as 6th to Venus in this case) leads to future prosperity.

12th to Lagna (which is the same as 12th to Venus in this case) leads to prosperity.

8th to Lagna (which is the same as 8th to Venus in this case) leads to people's good evaluation of yourself. You are evaluated favourably by other people.

(2) Jupiter in the 8th ruling 9th leads to hidden forces of protection to your good fortune in the 9th Bhava. This is also my 8th to Venus as explained above.

(3) Jupiter ruling the 6th Bhava and is also the 11th to Jupiter leads to gains. This is also my 6th to Venus as explained above.

(4) Jupiter trining to my 12th to Venus.

(5) Mercury ruling the 2 Dusthanas of the 3rd and 12th of my Cancer Ascendant goes into the 11th with a high Shadbala - I know, I know, not suppose to talk about dushtna lords in this list but too good a chance to miss not talking about it.

(6) The natural benefics of Venus, Jupiter and Moon (waning Moon maleficity cancelled by being aspected by Venus) are all placed in my strategic positions in the chart. It makes them strong and because they become stong, (1) to (5) becomes more potent in demolishing evil.

(a) Venus in the Ascendant aspected by Jupiter by Dhristi and Yuti by Moon.

(b) Moon aspect Venus strengthens both Moon and Venus (by classics).

(c) Venus in Cancer in Ascendant aspected by Moon strengthens the Moon-Venus aspect.

(d) Rahu strengthens Venus.

(e) Rahu disposits Nakshatra where Jupiter is placed. Rahu sits on the Ascendant. So Jupiter has a strong presence (in exaltaion sign) in the Ascendant.

(f) Venus as a natrual benefic rub off to Rahu.

(g) Venus is 2nd to Sun and aspected by Moon. Jupiter is 2nd to Moon and aspects Sun. So both Venus and Jupiter have a special status in the chart. Because Sun is in an Uppachaya House from the Moon, this configuration of the lights being aspected by natural benefics (Moon by Venus and Sun by Jupiter) makes the Venus and Moon dignified.

(h) Venus and Jupiter are both strong by being in the middle drekkana (by classic).

(i) Moon is strong by being in the last drekkana (by classic). Moon can be considered out of the 1 degree orb which makes it Rasi Sandhi.

(j) Jupiter turns retrogade after 10 days.

(k) Venus ahead of Sun makes it strong (by classic).

(l) Venus is the most northerly in terms of all the planets. It is in Cancer and Saturn the most southerly planet is in Capricorn. This is so even though Venus is starting to trek south (by classics). Venus or Jupiter being the most northerly planets in the chart makes the planet strong.

(m) 10th to Moon stands Venus alone in its own sign. It is a good Amsa Bala.

(n) Jupiter's strong influence in the Ascendant with the Lagna Lord being in angular 7th strong, makes for as strong Lakshmi Yoga No. 1.

(o) Jupiter in its own sign in 9th brought up from Navamsa and Venus in its own sign in 4th Bhava brought up from Navamsa is another strong Lakshmi Yoga No. 2.

(p) Planets in six signs makes for strong morality which can help to counteract Dusthana effects.

(q) The Dharma planet Sun is the lord of the Navamsa.

(r) Pre-noon is when Mercury and Jupiter are the strongest (by classic).

(s) Dharmic aspect : Jupiter trine Sun.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Hina]

Khoo,

You do great analysis. I really like reading your posts. Do you think, you could also post a visual chart along side & break the post so that only 1 or two concepts are tackled at a time.

This way, it is little less heavy.

Thanks!

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hina,

Yes, I will note that.

Thanks for your interest shown in my posts.

Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

I have changed point (s) to indicate that thetrine between Sun and Jupiter should be in Dusthans to counteract the Dusthana effects.

If the trine occur outside of Dusthanas, it conduces mores to good fortune instead.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

Actually point (6) is a full sub-list on how the benefics can be strong to sustain points (1) to (5). So even without the phrase "in Dusthana" for the Sun Trine Jupiter is still fine. It actually makes Sun and Jupiter strong as long as this aspect exist anywhere in the chart.

I have taken out the phrase again.

Sorry for this little extra confusion.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[astro123]

Hi

I have changed point (s) to indicate that thetrine between Sun and Jupiter should be in Dusthans to counteract the Dusthana effects.

If the trine occur outside of Dusthanas, it conduces mores to good fortune instead.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

Hi KHL

Does this mean that Sun and jupiter are in dusthanas but in trines to each other ?? this may happen only if they are in the 8th and 12th