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Ishtapala Yoga from Kalipa Nadi
1st, 5th and 9th lords associated in a kendra other than the 7th a king of kings is born.
My 1st Bhava has Venus dispositing Mars, a 5th lord, Rahu disposting Jupiter, a 9th lord AND Moon the 1st lord aspecting into Lagna by full line of sight. I have the Yoga in a weaker form.
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17.5 degrees Taurus to 10.5 degrees Gemini for my birth in 1962 spans Orion, the Hunter.
(Subsequent years Sidereal would be shifted from Tropical more so Orion could be beginning earlier than 18 degree Taurus - see the rate of shift from M. Paul Vaughn article).
But here is the shift :
January 1st 1940 - 23 degrees 01 minutes
January 1st 1950 - 23 degrees 09 minutes
January 1st 1960 - 23 degrees 18 minutes
January 1st 1970 - 23 degrees 26 minutes
January 1st 1980 - 23 degrees 34 minutes
Any planets placed in this belt is like Orion. Heroic and brave and honours would fall on the native.
I have Mercury here in the 11th Bhava.
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17.5 degrees Taurus to 10.5 degrees Gemini for my birth in 1962 spans Orion, the Hunter.
(Subsequent years Sidereal would be shifted from Tropical more so Orion could be beginning earlier than 18 degree Taurus - see the rate of shift from M. Paul Vaughn article).
But here is the shift :
January 1st 1940 - 23 degrees 01 minutes
January 1st 1950 - 23 degrees 09 minutes
January 1st 1960 - 23 degrees 18 minutes
January 1st 1970 - 23 degrees 26 minutes
January 1st 1980 - 23 degrees 34 minutes
Any planets placed in this belt is like Orion. Heroic and brave and honours would fall on the native.
I have Mercury here in the 11th Bhava.
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Umm you tell me idk how to tell the lords and stuff lol, but i can send you a email of my horoscope if you want O_o i know my 1st is in 5th tho. As for my Moon its Aries.
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Ok, if Moon is in Aires then Ketu is in Aires also.
This means Sagittrius is 5th of Ketu in the 9th Bhava and Scorpio is in the 8th Bhava (which means it is the 2nd to Rahu).
Now 9th is the 11th of the 11th, so our Ketu can give you sudden benefits in the areas of business, wife, intereactions with others etc.
8th Bhava in the 2nd to Rahu ruled by Ketu means where other people's money are concerned or things pertaining to spiritual matters, you tend to need advice from others closely as you are not confident in these areas.
Your Moon not being in its own sign or exalted means it is afflicted by Ketu. But Ketu does impart some benefits as indicated above.
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Ok, if Moon is in Aires then Ketu is in Aires also.
This means Sagittrius is 5th of Ketu in the 9th Bhava and Scorpio is in the 8th Bhava (which means it is the 2nd to Rahu).
Now 9th is the 11th of the 11th, so our Ketu can give you sudden benefits in the areas of business, wife, intereactions with others etc.
8th Bhava in the 2nd to Rahu ruled by Ketu means where other people's money are concerned or things pertaining to spiritual matters, you tend to need advice from others closely as you are not confident in these areas.
Your Moon not being in its own sign or exalted means it is afflicted by Ketu. But Ketu does impart some benefits as indicated above.
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34 th Chapter of Kalaprakasika
The Sun and the Moon located in the 3 rd , 6 th or 11 th place from each other, aspected to benefics, produce the same effect if the Moon and Venus be well dignified.
I have this Yoga with the Sun located in 6th from Moon. Sun is aspected by Jupiter and Moon is aspected by Venus.
So this further contributes to the dignity of my Moon and Venus.
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34 th Chapter of Kalaprakasika
The Sun and the Moon located in the 3 rd , 6 th or 11 th place from each other, aspected to benefics, produce the same effect if the Moon and Venus be well dignified.
I have this Yoga with the Sun located in 6th from Moon. Sun is aspected by Jupiter and Moon is aspected by Venus.
So this further contributes to the dignity of my Moon and Venus.
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Hi Khoo:
You said above a planet being in its own sign or exalted sign is not afflicted, What about a planet being in its own nakshatra, for eg: if moon is in hastha and is conjunct with mars and aspected by saturn, would the affliction not affect that much since he is in his own nakshatra?
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Dev
You said above a planet being in its own sign or exalted sign is not afflicted, What about a planet being in its own nakshatra, for eg: if moon is in hastha and is conjunct with mars and aspected by saturn, would the affliction not affect that much since he is in his own nakshatra?
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Dev
Dear dev,
What abt moon's condition. I mean where it is placed, in which sign?
Nilesh
What abt moon's condition. I mean where it is placed, in which sign?
Nilesh
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Hi Khoo,Khoo Hock Leong wrote:Hi Yogiraj
8th and 12th houses are spiritual houses. Mars show independence in spirit. In this case Mars is in Aquarius right? Beause it is a Cancer Ascendant we are talking about and Mars is 8th in D-1. Also Mars is 12th in
D-12.
Now 12th is the 5th to the 8th. For the above scenario, it could mean the person is strong-willed and makes his own decision where spiritual matters are concerned. He may break off from his traditional religion of his lineage and enter into a new kind of religion or spiritualism altogether. Or in a less dramatic way, he may gradually have views on spiritual matters different from his parents or lineage even though he may still carry on with the family traditional spiritual practice. Aquarius deals wtih social groups/social media and he could have been influenced by the social groups he goes about with or the social media he is exposed to.
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Many thanks for the reply & your analysis is correct as usual. If your busy schedule permits pl clarify this point further.I want to ask about ability of vargottam planet to give material gains when placed in Dusthana.
When a planet goes in to fall it's ability to give any result is reduced, now in this example will Mars being vargottam in aquarius is still strong & good as per your principle?or it's placement in Dusthana will reduce the qualities coming under it's karkatwa like energy level,ambitions etc.You are right in stating that in case of mars placement in Aq. the person will be influenced by social groups but can he handle the pressure or dusthana placement will add to receiving social humiliation?.If vargottam is good & stong despite of lord of dusthana houses,it's placement in dusthana should not be that bad is it correct?.8th & 12th are not only spiritual houses but also denotes accidents,losses etc whether Vargottam placement in it will reduce maleficity of this houses?
Second thing in this case is placement of 5th lord in 8th house in D1 chart. As per your first insight which is copied for reference'' If a planet ruling a Bhava goes into the 4th from that Bhava, the LATTER Bhava would be totally under the control of the FORMER Bhava. This would mean if the LATTER Bhava is a Dusthana, the good effects are multiplied.''It should be good placement & Mars being Vargottam should give good results for 5th house & can be considered as strong even in 8th house, is it correct?hope you will respond.Thanks for your time.
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But how does it afflict it if it doesn't have any Aspect's to it?
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Hi Yogiraj and Murad
I will get back to you. Let met post out some new principles first.
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I will get back to you. Let met post out some new principles first.
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According to Jaimini Sutras 1-3-22 and 1-3-23 if either the Jamna Lagna and the 7th house or Arudha Lagna and its 7th house have pure Argala influences without the cancelling effects, the native must be wealthy.
In my chart,
(1) From Jamna Lagna I have Argala (without cancellation) from
(a) The 4th house where Venus sits - the position brought up from Navamsa to the Rasi.
(b) The 11th house where Mercury sits in the Rasi.
(2) From the 7th to Jamna Lagna I have Argala (without cancellation) from
(a) The 8th houses (which is 2nd to the 7th) where Jupiter sits in the Rasi.
(b) The 10th houses (which is 4th to the 7th) where Mars sits in the Rasi.
(3) From the Arudha Lagna, the only Argala without cancellation I have is 2nd to my Arudha Lagna where Mercury sits in the Rasi in the 11th. The rest of the Argala all have cancellation effects.
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According to Jaimini Sutras 1-3-22 and 1-3-23 if either the Jamna Lagna and the 7th house or Arudha Lagna and its 7th house have pure Argala influences without the cancelling effects, the native must be wealthy.
In my chart,
(1) From Jamna Lagna I have Argala (without cancellation) from
(a) The 4th house where Venus sits - the position brought up from Navamsa to the Rasi.
(b) The 11th house where Mercury sits in the Rasi.
(2) From the 7th to Jamna Lagna I have Argala (without cancellation) from
(a) The 8th houses (which is 2nd to the 7th) where Jupiter sits in the Rasi.
(b) The 10th houses (which is 4th to the 7th) where Mars sits in the Rasi.
(3) From the Arudha Lagna, the only Argala without cancellation I have is 2nd to my Arudha Lagna where Mercury sits in the Rasi in the 11th. The rest of the Argala all have cancellation effects.
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Kemudrama Yoga exists if there are malefics in the 2nd and 8th of either from the Arudha Lagna or the Lagna. The malefics have to be equally balanced in both the houses.
According to Somanatha (one of the commentators of the Jaimini Sutras), the effects become more malefic when aspected by the Moon (the malefic points that is).
I do not have Kemudra Yoga from Lagna but I do have it from Arudha Lagna.
2nd to my Arudha Lagna has Mercury but it conjuncts Ketu brought up from Navamsa. 8th to my Arudha Lagna has Mars and North Node broguht up from Navamsa. The malefics in both of these houses are equally balanced.
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Kemudrama Yoga exists if there are malefics in the 2nd and 8th of either from the Arudha Lagna or the Lagna. The malefics have to be equally balanced in both the houses.
According to Somanatha (one of the commentators of the Jaimini Sutras), the effects become more malefic when aspected by the Moon (the malefic points that is).
I do not have Kemudra Yoga from Lagna but I do have it from Arudha Lagna.
2nd to my Arudha Lagna has Mercury but it conjuncts Ketu brought up from Navamsa. 8th to my Arudha Lagna has Mars and North Node broguht up from Navamsa. The malefics in both of these houses are equally balanced.
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Everytime there is a Yoga which involves rulers of two Bhavas and the Yoga calls for the two rulers either to be assoicated or aspecting each other or placed in mutual angles etc. If the two Bhavas happen to share a COMMON ruler, then the Yoga can be said to exist - after all everything is under one ruler so of course a relationship is said to exist! In this, I differ from some astrologers, who take it that the Yoga is only satisfied if the two rulers are different.
An example of such a Yoga in BPHS is this :
13-14. Shankh Yog. If Lagn’s Lord is strong, while the Lords of Putr and Ari Bhava are in mutual Kendras, then what is known, as Shankh Yog, is produced. Alternatively, if Lagn’s Lord along with Karm’s Lord is in a Movable Rashi, while Dharm’s Lord is strong, Shankh Yog is obtained. One born with Shankh Yog will be endowed with wealth, spouse and sons. He will be kindly disposed, propitious, intelligent, meritorious and long-lived.
There are two conditions satisfying Shankh Yoga. We are more interested in the first condition with regards to the idea of this post's insight.
ForVirgo Ascendant, this Yoga is said to exist if Saturn is placed in Kendras.
And to a certain extent for Cancer Ascendant if Ketu is placed in Kendras, this Yoga is also said to exist because Ketu jointly rules Scorpio and Sagittarius which happens to rule both the 5th and 6th Bhava.
I usually experience the good Ketu effects of this Yoga during Ketu's dasa and antardasa. I have access to wealth (here wealth can be on a metaphorical basis like spiritual wealth eg. contentment, peace and union with God) and a feeling of being meritorious. Ketu rules the flag by the way and for a Cancer Ascendant, the flag is really powerful if Ketu is placed in the Kendras.
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Everytime there is a Yoga which involves rulers of two Bhavas and the Yoga calls for the two rulers either to be assoicated or aspecting each other or placed in mutual angles etc. If the two Bhavas happen to share a COMMON ruler, then the Yoga can be said to exist - after all everything is under one ruler so of course a relationship is said to exist! In this, I differ from some astrologers, who take it that the Yoga is only satisfied if the two rulers are different.
An example of such a Yoga in BPHS is this :
13-14. Shankh Yog. If Lagn’s Lord is strong, while the Lords of Putr and Ari Bhava are in mutual Kendras, then what is known, as Shankh Yog, is produced. Alternatively, if Lagn’s Lord along with Karm’s Lord is in a Movable Rashi, while Dharm’s Lord is strong, Shankh Yog is obtained. One born with Shankh Yog will be endowed with wealth, spouse and sons. He will be kindly disposed, propitious, intelligent, meritorious and long-lived.
There are two conditions satisfying Shankh Yoga. We are more interested in the first condition with regards to the idea of this post's insight.
ForVirgo Ascendant, this Yoga is said to exist if Saturn is placed in Kendras.
And to a certain extent for Cancer Ascendant if Ketu is placed in Kendras, this Yoga is also said to exist because Ketu jointly rules Scorpio and Sagittarius which happens to rule both the 5th and 6th Bhava.
I usually experience the good Ketu effects of this Yoga during Ketu's dasa and antardasa. I have access to wealth (here wealth can be on a metaphorical basis like spiritual wealth eg. contentment, peace and union with God) and a feeling of being meritorious. Ketu rules the flag by the way and for a Cancer Ascendant, the flag is really powerful if Ketu is placed in the Kendras.
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By the way for Kubera Yoga and the scholar Yoga, please see my previous post on these. They were discussed separately. You can seach via keywords for the post.
Now for the Yoga under discussion.
Hari-Kara Brahma Yoga - Venus in Gopurasamsa, Jupiter in Paravatamsa and Moon also in Paravatamsa conduces to wealth and prosperity with lots of grains. He will be chief of men and a successful ruler. His speech will be auspicious and his eyes will be like lotus petal. He will possess pleasing virtues, will enjoy pleasures and will be surrounded by all his kinsfolks. He will have a beautiful physique, be torn by lust, will enjoy pleasures, be famous, honoured by all kings in the world, highly charitable and will be an astrologer. He will be devoted to God, The wealth of his pleasing virtues will last as long as the Sun and Moon exist. He will enjoy wide fame on the Earth.
Chandra Kala Nadi Vol. 3 Shloka : 5377 - 5379
The intelligent reader would realise all the good effects described in this Yoga is similar to Jupiter and Moon placed in the 2nd Bhava (where they are both karaka and backup karaka respectively) and Venus in the 4th Bhava where Venus is Digbala.
But keep to the definition of the Yoga which uses the concept of Amsa Bala. By house placement of the same three planets is not so powerful as the three planets may not be in congenial signs in the Rasi and the higher divisional charts.
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By the way for Kubera Yoga and the scholar Yoga, please see my previous post on these. They were discussed separately. You can seach via keywords for the post.
Now for the Yoga under discussion.
Hari-Kara Brahma Yoga - Venus in Gopurasamsa, Jupiter in Paravatamsa and Moon also in Paravatamsa conduces to wealth and prosperity with lots of grains. He will be chief of men and a successful ruler. His speech will be auspicious and his eyes will be like lotus petal. He will possess pleasing virtues, will enjoy pleasures and will be surrounded by all his kinsfolks. He will have a beautiful physique, be torn by lust, will enjoy pleasures, be famous, honoured by all kings in the world, highly charitable and will be an astrologer. He will be devoted to God, The wealth of his pleasing virtues will last as long as the Sun and Moon exist. He will enjoy wide fame on the Earth.
Chandra Kala Nadi Vol. 3 Shloka : 5377 - 5379
The intelligent reader would realise all the good effects described in this Yoga is similar to Jupiter and Moon placed in the 2nd Bhava (where they are both karaka and backup karaka respectively) and Venus in the 4th Bhava where Venus is Digbala.
But keep to the definition of the Yoga which uses the concept of Amsa Bala. By house placement of the same three planets is not so powerful as the three planets may not be in congenial signs in the Rasi and the higher divisional charts.
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Now we know Jupiter at certain points in the chart can give great benefits. Example on the Ascendant it can relive 100,000 evils as compared to Venus which is only 10,000 evils. This fact is noted by K N Rao. The goodness of Jupiter in Ascendant without comparison to Venus is noted by most classics.
Jupiter ruling the 9th and placed in the 8th also gives great benefits as explained in one of my earlier posts (because Jupiter protects the 12th while ruling the Ascendant if we take the 9th as the Ascendant and 9th can be considered something like a distant cousin of the Lagna whereas 11th is a close cousion of the Lagna). This fact was noted in Bhavartha Ratnakara.
But if we one look through the classics, it is Venus that is a greater benefic than Jupiter (the Kendrapathii Dosa of Venus is rated worse than for Jupiter to give one evidence in the classics. Classics also give a straight ranking of the benefics generally and it is Venus that come up tops). Venus governs extreme prosperity. Venus counteract Saturn which signifies MOST of the Dusthana effects (Jupiter counteract Mars). Venus rules Mrityu Jaya which can turnaround a bad situation.
So Jupiter is great at certain points like trines, 12th to the 9th if it rules 9th, placed in the Ascendant etc. When such patterns occur, the person is not touched by evil at all.
But if you are looking into EXTREME prosperity, ability to counteract evil especially those emanating from Saturn, free from bondage signified by the 6th-12th axis etc., it is Venus that takes the cake. When Venus combines with Mercury in a good Bhava in a pure form, the wealth gets rivetted upwards, touching even heavens past the loka even where Brahma lives.
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Now we know Jupiter at certain points in the chart can give great benefits. Example on the Ascendant it can relive 100,000 evils as compared to Venus which is only 10,000 evils. This fact is noted by K N Rao. The goodness of Jupiter in Ascendant without comparison to Venus is noted by most classics.
Jupiter ruling the 9th and placed in the 8th also gives great benefits as explained in one of my earlier posts (because Jupiter protects the 12th while ruling the Ascendant if we take the 9th as the Ascendant and 9th can be considered something like a distant cousin of the Lagna whereas 11th is a close cousion of the Lagna). This fact was noted in Bhavartha Ratnakara.
But if we one look through the classics, it is Venus that is a greater benefic than Jupiter (the Kendrapathii Dosa of Venus is rated worse than for Jupiter to give one evidence in the classics. Classics also give a straight ranking of the benefics generally and it is Venus that come up tops). Venus governs extreme prosperity. Venus counteract Saturn which signifies MOST of the Dusthana effects (Jupiter counteract Mars). Venus rules Mrityu Jaya which can turnaround a bad situation.
So Jupiter is great at certain points like trines, 12th to the 9th if it rules 9th, placed in the Ascendant etc. When such patterns occur, the person is not touched by evil at all.
But if you are looking into EXTREME prosperity, ability to counteract evil especially those emanating from Saturn, free from bondage signified by the 6th-12th axis etc., it is Venus that takes the cake. When Venus combines with Mercury in a good Bhava in a pure form, the wealth gets rivetted upwards, touching even heavens past the loka even where Brahma lives.
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The materiality, spirituality and auspiciousness of Saturn is enhanced if Pushya is strong in a person's chart eg. being on the Ascendant, waxing Moon is in it, trinal lords is in it etc.
Note that Saturn itself must not be ruling a Dusthana (Saturn being a trinal lord is exempted from this restriction) is required for this Yoga to fructify as Saturn as a bringer of misery becomes very strong when it rules a Dusthana since it is the karaka of the 8th and the 12th, and the significator of toil and hardship when ruling the 6th.
It is noteworthy that Pushya beats Puna in terms of all the three aspects of a person's life mentioned above even though it is Jupiter that rules Puna and Saturn that rules Pushya. Pushya being the 8th Nakshatra, is where Saturn's longevity gives rise to long lasting beneficial effects if when strong and exhibiting beneficience like having trinal lords or waxing Moon etc. placed in it (Pushya).
This Yoga is my own personal insight.
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The materiality, spirituality and auspiciousness of Saturn is enhanced if Pushya is strong in a person's chart eg. being on the Ascendant, waxing Moon is in it, trinal lords is in it etc.
Note that Saturn itself must not be ruling a Dusthana (Saturn being a trinal lord is exempted from this restriction) is required for this Yoga to fructify as Saturn as a bringer of misery becomes very strong when it rules a Dusthana since it is the karaka of the 8th and the 12th, and the significator of toil and hardship when ruling the 6th.
It is noteworthy that Pushya beats Puna in terms of all the three aspects of a person's life mentioned above even though it is Jupiter that rules Puna and Saturn that rules Pushya. Pushya being the 8th Nakshatra, is where Saturn's longevity gives rise to long lasting beneficial effects if when strong and exhibiting beneficience like having trinal lords or waxing Moon etc. placed in it (Pushya).
This Yoga is my own personal insight.
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Hi KHLKhoo Hock Leong wrote:Hi
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The materiality, spirituality and auspiciousness of Saturn is enhanced if Pushya is strong in a person's chart eg. being on the Ascendant, waxing Moon is in it, trinal lords is in it etc.
Note that Saturn itself must not be ruling a Dusthana (Saturn being a trinal lord is exempted from this restriction) is required for this Yoga to fructify as Saturn as a bringer of misery becomes very strong when it rules a Dusthana since it is the karaka of the 8th and the 12th, and the significator of toil and hardship when ruling the 6th.
It is noteworthy that Pushya beats Puna in terms of all the three aspects of a person's life mentioned above even though it is Jupiter that rules Puna and Saturn that rules Pushya. Pushya being the 8th Nakshatra, is where Saturn's longevity gives rise to long lasting beneficial effects if when strong and exhibiting beneficience like having trinal lords or waxing Moon etc. placed in it (Pushya).
This Yoga is my own personal insight.
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A well placed and a strong saturn coupled with lordship of good houses eg Taurus,Libra and Cap Asc can also lift an individual in various facets of his life..Eg For Cap Asc,An exalted saturn in the 10th house of profession
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Actually for the previous post on Shankh Yoga, the requirement is that Lord of 5th and 6th should be in MUTUAL kendras.
Hence for a Virgo and Cancer Ascendant where Saturn and Ketu respectively is not placed in Kendras from Laga, the Yoga actually still exists although in a weaker form. When 5th and 6th Bhavas share a common lordship, the mutual kendras requirement subsist within that particular Graha itself.
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Actually for the previous post on Shankh Yoga, the requirement is that Lord of 5th and 6th should be in MUTUAL kendras.
Hence for a Virgo and Cancer Ascendant where Saturn and Ketu respectively is not placed in Kendras from Laga, the Yoga actually still exists although in a weaker form. When 5th and 6th Bhavas share a common lordship, the mutual kendras requirement subsist within that particular Graha itself.
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This principle is to give you an idea what do you mean by a fortunate chart.
In a chart there are two camps of planets. Sun, Moon, Mars and Jupiter is one camp. The other camp is Mercury, Venus and Saturn.
It is inevitable that one camp would be give the task of ruling the Dusthanas. Usually there is a mixture of two camps which are given this task.
Like for an Aquarius Ascendant it would be the Moon - the other two Dusthanas are ruled by trinal lords so they are not considered although Mars can be considered as a minor Dusthana effect giver as it is ruling the 3rd and the 10th.
For the Capcicorn Ascendant it would be the Sun and Jupiter.
For the Scorpio Ascendant it would be Mercury and Venus with Saturn as a minor Dusthana effects giver.
For the Leo Ascendant it would be the Moon and Saturn - this Ascendant it is a mixture of the two camps of the planets Moon and Saturn, although Saturn itself can be given a Raja Yoga giver but with difficulties since it rules the 6th and the 7th which according to Philadeepika 6th is the 9th to the 10th and 7th is the 10th to the 10th.
And so on.
Now the camp of planets that give Dusthana effects of a particular chart we can make it less strong by having them placed in debilitation signs when they are not themselves placed in Dusthana. But from the earlier post we know this has side effects on the planets' karakatwa properties unless the Lagna Lord is strong (in its own or exaltation sign) as stated in BPHS which was also mentioned earlier.
So how to ward off their Dusthana effects of this camp of planets without making them weak? We have already seen some possibilities in the previous posts.
(1) Have the planet placed in the 11th Bhava or in trines.
(2) Have the planet placed in its own sign in the non-Dusthana house. This means the planet's lordship of the Dusthana is effectively taken off. This is from Philadeepika.
(3) Have the planet in its own sign in the Dusthana.
(4) Hava a VPRY.
(5) The planet ruling Nakshatras placed in trinal houses would help to a certain extent but not completely because as we know from the post on Dwardasamsas, the whole house must considered for lordship to gain full trinal effects etc.
(6) For completeness sake, I put this condition down in this list as well. If the Dusthana lord is in debilitation in a non-Dusthana house and the Lagna Lord in its own or exaltation sign.
(7) The Dusthana planet gets aspects from natural benefics which are non-Dusthana lords. This would impart good Ishta Phala to the Dusthana planet.
Note that the planet is a trina lord besides ruling a Dusthana, automatically it becomes a functional benefic as we all know.
The following would NOT help :
(A) The Dusthana lord has a high Shadbala.
(B) The planet has good Masa Bala - this would only help to a certain extent if the planet is Jupiter as it rules ether so its beneficience can be felt when it is well placed in higher divisions.
(C) The Dusthan Lord exalted when placed in a non-Dusthana house.
(D) Exchange Yoga between a Dusthana Bhava and a non-Dusthana Bhava.
If you find in a chart the Dusthana camp of planets getting ameliorated via points (1) to (7) above, then predict that the chart concerned has more than its fair share of fortune where the factor of Dusthana is concerned.
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This principle is to give you an idea what do you mean by a fortunate chart.
In a chart there are two camps of planets. Sun, Moon, Mars and Jupiter is one camp. The other camp is Mercury, Venus and Saturn.
It is inevitable that one camp would be give the task of ruling the Dusthanas. Usually there is a mixture of two camps which are given this task.
Like for an Aquarius Ascendant it would be the Moon - the other two Dusthanas are ruled by trinal lords so they are not considered although Mars can be considered as a minor Dusthana effect giver as it is ruling the 3rd and the 10th.
For the Capcicorn Ascendant it would be the Sun and Jupiter.
For the Scorpio Ascendant it would be Mercury and Venus with Saturn as a minor Dusthana effects giver.
For the Leo Ascendant it would be the Moon and Saturn - this Ascendant it is a mixture of the two camps of the planets Moon and Saturn, although Saturn itself can be given a Raja Yoga giver but with difficulties since it rules the 6th and the 7th which according to Philadeepika 6th is the 9th to the 10th and 7th is the 10th to the 10th.
And so on.
Now the camp of planets that give Dusthana effects of a particular chart we can make it less strong by having them placed in debilitation signs when they are not themselves placed in Dusthana. But from the earlier post we know this has side effects on the planets' karakatwa properties unless the Lagna Lord is strong (in its own or exaltation sign) as stated in BPHS which was also mentioned earlier.
So how to ward off their Dusthana effects of this camp of planets without making them weak? We have already seen some possibilities in the previous posts.
(1) Have the planet placed in the 11th Bhava or in trines.
(2) Have the planet placed in its own sign in the non-Dusthana house. This means the planet's lordship of the Dusthana is effectively taken off. This is from Philadeepika.
(3) Have the planet in its own sign in the Dusthana.
(4) Hava a VPRY.
(5) The planet ruling Nakshatras placed in trinal houses would help to a certain extent but not completely because as we know from the post on Dwardasamsas, the whole house must considered for lordship to gain full trinal effects etc.
(6) For completeness sake, I put this condition down in this list as well. If the Dusthana lord is in debilitation in a non-Dusthana house and the Lagna Lord in its own or exaltation sign.
(7) The Dusthana planet gets aspects from natural benefics which are non-Dusthana lords. This would impart good Ishta Phala to the Dusthana planet.
Note that the planet is a trina lord besides ruling a Dusthana, automatically it becomes a functional benefic as we all know.
The following would NOT help :
(A) The Dusthana lord has a high Shadbala.
(B) The planet has good Masa Bala - this would only help to a certain extent if the planet is Jupiter as it rules ether so its beneficience can be felt when it is well placed in higher divisions.
(C) The Dusthan Lord exalted when placed in a non-Dusthana house.
(D) Exchange Yoga between a Dusthana Bhava and a non-Dusthana Bhava.
If you find in a chart the Dusthana camp of planets getting ameliorated via points (1) to (7) above, then predict that the chart concerned has more than its fair share of fortune where the factor of Dusthana is concerned.
Warmest Regards
Hock Leong
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Murad
uh huh ok so let's say my Mar's in Cancer is in the 2nd house and we all know that Mar's control's courage and what not. If having 5 planets in the 5th house and lord of the 2nd house in the 11th would that basically demolish the bad effects of Mar's?
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Khoo Hock Leong
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Yes it does!
But here it is slightly off thread in the sense that your Moon is not ruling a Dusthana but ruling the 2nd Bhava. The idea of the thread about the 11th Bhava is for Grahas ruling the 6th, 8th, 12th and 3rd when placed in the 11th, to have that Graha's Dusthana effects reduced.
But your Moon now rules the 2nd Bhava which is not a Dusthana so that is off thread.
But in reply to your question, yes it does because 11th is the 10th to the 2nd so the 2nd Bhava basically serves the 11th Bhava meaning it will listen in large part to what the 11th Bhava has to say. So Mars debilitaion is taken care of by the Moon in Aires. Your Moon in fact is ruled by Mars so it becomes an exchange Yoga between two non-Dusthana Bhavas ie. 11th and 2nd so it is auspicious.
Also 2nd is the 4th to the 11th so basically 11th also takes care of the 2nd like a son - you know just like our Lagna takes care of the 4th our fixed assets. We all work in life basically is to get a shelter for ourselves.
So Mars in Cancer is ameliorated by the Moon in Aires.
The trouble is that the amelioration is not that strong because Moon is with the South Node which tends to sting it. But the sting is partly good because Ketu is ruling the 9th to it ie. Sagittarius which gives sudden spiritual and material benefits. This also means how you tackle your Mars angle is a combination of how you handle your emotions (the Moon) coupled with spirituality within you.
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Hock Leong
But here it is slightly off thread in the sense that your Moon is not ruling a Dusthana but ruling the 2nd Bhava. The idea of the thread about the 11th Bhava is for Grahas ruling the 6th, 8th, 12th and 3rd when placed in the 11th, to have that Graha's Dusthana effects reduced.
But your Moon now rules the 2nd Bhava which is not a Dusthana so that is off thread.
But in reply to your question, yes it does because 11th is the 10th to the 2nd so the 2nd Bhava basically serves the 11th Bhava meaning it will listen in large part to what the 11th Bhava has to say. So Mars debilitaion is taken care of by the Moon in Aires. Your Moon in fact is ruled by Mars so it becomes an exchange Yoga between two non-Dusthana Bhavas ie. 11th and 2nd so it is auspicious.
Also 2nd is the 4th to the 11th so basically 11th also takes care of the 2nd like a son - you know just like our Lagna takes care of the 4th our fixed assets. We all work in life basically is to get a shelter for ourselves.
So Mars in Cancer is ameliorated by the Moon in Aires.
The trouble is that the amelioration is not that strong because Moon is with the South Node which tends to sting it. But the sting is partly good because Ketu is ruling the 9th to it ie. Sagittarius which gives sudden spiritual and material benefits. This also means how you tackle your Mars angle is a combination of how you handle your emotions (the Moon) coupled with spirituality within you.
Warmest Reagards
Hock Leong
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Murad
That's exactly how i feel! hahah thank's khoo. But what if my 11th is in 2nd also 4th in 5th, 6th in 2nd and 9th in 9th
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Khoo Hock Leong
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Hi
Just want to add if planet are in VPRY then they have to be debilitated. This is an exception to the general rule that Dusthana lords should not be debilitated unless the Lagna Lord is in its own sign or exalted.
The reason being while weakening your enemy's resources and support in one area, you do not want to enhance his assets and resources in another area ie. the other Dusthana Bhava where the Dusthana Lord is placed.
On the hand if there is an exchange between Dusthana Lords that is another matter altogether. This is a double VPRY and you have a grand overall strategy to defeat your enemy's resources and assets so it does not matter even if you strengthen your enemy's resources and assets everywhere.
This particular post which I am writing now is very important and readers have to take note.
Warmest Regards
Hock Leong
Just want to add if planet are in VPRY then they have to be debilitated. This is an exception to the general rule that Dusthana lords should not be debilitated unless the Lagna Lord is in its own sign or exalted.
The reason being while weakening your enemy's resources and support in one area, you do not want to enhance his assets and resources in another area ie. the other Dusthana Bhava where the Dusthana Lord is placed.
On the hand if there is an exchange between Dusthana Lords that is another matter altogether. This is a double VPRY and you have a grand overall strategy to defeat your enemy's resources and assets so it does not matter even if you strengthen your enemy's resources and assets everywhere.
This particular post which I am writing now is very important and readers have to take note.
Warmest Regards
Hock Leong


