Gandanta and rasi sandhi

[Dev]

Dear astrologers:

I read that Gandanta effects are more pronounced than rasi sandhi.
What are the harmful effects or rasi sandhi-when in the bhava chart the rasi is the same and when in bhava chart it is in the previous rasi.
For eg if the native has mesha lagna and kanya rasi, sun is in mithuna at 1 degree along with mercury. Sun here is 5th lord, so what happens to the strength of 5th, 2nd(is in 2nd as per bhava chart) and 3rd(being in 3rd).
Being purva punya lord, he is one of the most important planet. Now in navamsa, he is debilitated in the second house along with jupiter.
So what happens to the strength of the 5th house?
Please clarify.

Also another basic doubt.
Some say, exalted jupiter takes care of a horoscope. Is it true. I know of a person(above one) who has Exalted jupiter, lord of 9th in 4th but then in jupiter dasa, he could get money and do well in profession. But is that all?
During other dasas, say saturn for eg which he is running now, will jupiter be protective?
Also he is 9th and 12th lord placed in 4th along with venus the 2nd and 7th lord.

Now both are natural benefics, but venus is malefic and maraka being 2nd and 7th. Again both are enemies, so which of these effects will dominate when in conjunction?

Dev

[ChandraLagna]

Dear astrologers:

I read that Gandanta effects are more pronounced than rasi sandhi.


Dev

Devji

One quick point. Gandaanth is also a type of Rasi Sandhi, except here the two adjacent rasis are of fire and water - complete opposites. The non-gandant type of rasi sandhi are water-air, fire-earth etc.

[mannu21]

Dev ji

Can you share the birth details of the native

[Dev]

Thanks Arun. Yes I know that, that is why I asked if this can be thought of as a rasi sandhi where the effect is not as bad as that in the rasi sandhi in gandanta.

I had also sent a mail regarding the same person in definition of affliction in page 2 which you have analysed very well but you have probably overlooked since there were some more posts immediately after mine which deviated or side tracked from my topic. You may answer that if u have time and patience.
Thanks.

Dev

[Dev]

Thanks Mannu

Here it is.
17-6-1967 Chennai 2.48am
Arun had also discussed on this horoscope nicely under Definition of affliction thread but under a different context.
I was interested in knowing if it could damage the 2nd, 3rd or 5th and if so to what extent or if the effect would be weak.
Also if the planet is rasi sandhi is debilitated as in the above case in navamsa and if it were to be exalted in navamsa, what happens to the strength of the planet.
Do you have double negative makes it positive or something like that.

Dev

[ChandraLagna]

Thank you for kind words, Devji. I just went back and checked that thread....nothing seems to await me..? At the end, Kandhan asked you for some analysis of his chart, which you have provided. Did you mean to say you sent me a mail /PM? I dont have anything so far......

The questions you have now asked are definitely tougher I have to see if my Guruji has time to answer if I go back with these to him !!

[Dev]

Arun:

Thanks, I really meant that, you are an expert and do very nice analysis. So you deserve the compliments.

By the way, it was just before Kandhan's question. I am just doing copy paste of that here for your reference. Why dont you reveal your guru to me?

Dev

Here it is from the other thread:

Arun:
Thanks Arun for your extensive and exhaustive study of the horoscope.
I do understand about Hasta being problematic when afflicted. But I dont see anything written about Hastha by Astroboy. I thought he wrote about Uttra, chitra but left out hastha. Please give me the link in case he has written.

Who is your Guru by the way? The way you have analysed, I can understand that your guru must be very very talented indeed.

I Dont understand when u say Sun's Graha Arudha is deb, so the sun / naisargika karaka for self has gone for a toss. Can you please explain the same, I mean the technical terms like niasargika karaka for self. Do u mean it is sun for prosperity of individual for which sun is the karaka? What is graha Arudha?

I can suggest to him about ABhisheka for Lord SHiva on Mondays. I dont know whether he would do this seriously since his father is a staunch Vaishnavite and would worship only Vishnu. He likes Shiva no doubt but still would worship Vishnu only.

Yes thanks for letting me know that IP KP concepts would not work in my case. I know very little basics of astrology and from my practical experience, I say that, so I cannot be wrong.

Also I have lot of faith in the predictions of Astroboy and I also feel his first love is astrology but I dont believe in this nakshatra predictions since what he wrote about jyesta nakshatra, almost none of the traits apply to me. I believe more in the individual horoscope predictions than in generalised predictions. May be what he says is even perfect for most jyesta where in the planets are all scattered all over the 12 rasis but for my horoscope the generalised trends dont have much meaning.

Dev

[ChandraLagna]

Arun:

I Dont understand when u say Sun's Graha Arudha is deb, so the sun / naisargika karaka for self has gone for a toss. Can you please explain the same, I mean the technical terms like niasargika karaka for self. Do u mean it is sun for prosperity of individual for which sun is the karaka? What is graha Arudha?

Dev

Ok sir, got it.

Here you go:
Like every chart has a lagna lord based on Ascendent, SUN is lagna lord for all - i.e. the natural lord of self. Naisargika atmakaraka means just that - natural lord of self. It is not just prosperity, but everything for individual - life in general - appearance, principles, health.
Graha Arudha is concept simlar to Bhava Arudas. IN Bhava arudas, we talk of the manifestation to outside world in terms of houses. If houses or bhavas have an external manifestation, then why not Lords of those bhavas? This is the Graha Arudhas. Frankly, this is all I know about graha arudhas.

In this case, the Graha Arudha for SUN was in deb, which explains the concept.

Hope this helps.

[Dev]

Thanks Arun. Who is your guru? Reveal his name.
I am not going to complain but will sing praises about you since you seem dedicated and good.

Yes thank you for the explanation. I did not know about graha arudha before. That is enough.
Slowly I can read more to get to know more of it.
Are you an astrologer or a person working in an organisation or a student studying? Just out of curiousity in getting to know more about you, I am asking.

Dev

[kc123]

Dear Dev & Arun:

Since the topic is about rashi sandhi and gandanta, I thought I would provide some feedback. In my bhava chart, 7 planets (out of 9)move back one house as compared to my D1 chart. From what I have read on this forum, bhava chart is a strict 'no no'- does this hold true in this case too?

Thanks
KC

[kandhan]

hi kc123

why bhave chart is 'no no'. if i remember correctly, was it Srinivas Raoji who stated that, whatever can be predicted from Rashi chart can also be done thru bhava/chalit with enough experience.

[kc123]

Hi Kandhan:

There have been quite a few queries posted on the forum regarding the bhava chart, but the response in most cases was to focus on D1 only. I was not aware that Srinivas Raoji supports this concept. But in effect , does it mean that if a planet is at let us say 0 degrees 46' in Aries which is the 8 house, it will also demonstrate behavior of the 7th house? Which effect will predominate i.e. 7th or the 8th house behavior?

Thanks
KC

[kandhan]

kc:

i really dont know . maybe actual experience is the best guide?

[ChandraLagna]

Hi Kandhan:

There have been quite a few queries posted on the forum regarding the bhava chart, but the response in most cases was to focus on D1 only. I was not aware that Srinivas Raoji supports this concept. But in effect , does it mean that if a planet is at let us say 0 degrees 46' in Aries which is the 8 house, it will also demonstrate behavior of the 7th house? Which effect will predominate i.e. 7th or the 8th house behavior?

Thanks
KC

Very Interesting question. I had asked this a few times myself.

Finally, my rationale to resolve this is a counter question.

Is there anywhere in the universe cleanly drawn 30 deg arcs to delinate houses/ rasis?

Not sure if this helped. I use it when convenient though

[kc123]

Thanks for your replies guys . Yes, I understand that just like life there are no definite black and whites anywhere . But it does become very confusing if the majority of planets shift, as in my case. When I try to predict how a planet will behave, I can make a pretty good case either way based on D1 and actual experiences

[Dev]

Yes, it is a tricky question on rasi sandhi and gandanta, they are said to be bad but when the planet moves to the previous house in the bhava chart, how would it behave as compared to when it is in the samn house. If for example a planet in 6th moves to the 5th in bhava, the person who has had this happen in his horoscope is the best judge but he must be aware atleast of some astrology basics to share his views here.
I think Kandhan too has two or 3 planets moving to a different house in the bhava chart, if I remember correct.
I have seem a few astrologers relying more on bhava than even rashi.

Dev

[Dev]

Hi Kandan:

If you would not mind, can u share your experience on moon, sat, mars and sun periods in your case. Other than the sun, other 3 planets are close to zero degrees and sun is close to 30 degrees. You have also faced the whole of saturn dasa. If u share the experience, it would help understand effect of gandanta and rashi sandhi better.
Thanks,

Dev

[kc123]

Hi Dev:

For the benefit of the readers on this forum, let me share my experiences. The D1 chart in brief-

Ascendent Virgo
Jupiter (Vargottam and gandant) : 8th house---> moves to 7th in Bhava
Mercury and Venus(retrogade): 12th house----> Mercury moves to 11th in bhava
Ketu(debilitated) and Mars: 9th house-----> both move to 8th in bhava
Rahu(debilitated) : 3d house---> moves to 2nd in bhava
Sun and Saturn: 11th house---> Saturn moves to 10th in bhava
Moon (ascendent)--> moves to 12 th in bhava.

Here is why I think bhava chart is important.
Jupiter as the lord of the 4th and 7th house is in the 8th house. As a natural karak for both education (also the lord of basic education 4th house) and marriage, this should indicate grave problems related to these matters. On the contrary I have never had any problems as far as education is concerned. I have studied in some of the best schools in India and abroad and have done very well in competitive exams- this is not to boast of my achievement but to highlight the point under discussion. As far as marriage is concerned, I have been married for the last five years- it would be too early to comment either way but again no major concerns.

But I think D1 is also important since all significant events in my life have happened during the Rahu MD. Rahu is supposed to do well in the 3d house, so the D1 placement seems to take precedence. Similarly Ketu ADs have been very beneficial for me giving me peasant surprises when I least expected it.

There are other contradictions too but all in all it does become confusing if planets change their positions in the the two charts.

Regards
KC

[Dev]

Dear KC123:

I very much appreciate your demonstration with your own horoscope. I agree with you that when a planet is in different houses in the rasi and bhava chart, it shows behaviour of both houses often. This is true in some other cases that I have seen too. It is interesting that you have many planets that have moved to the neighbouring house in the bhava chart. I also came across this if I remember right, in the chart of Kandan.
Anyway that helps all when u demonstrate with your own chart.
Many thanks for that.

Dev

[kandhan]

Hi Kandan:

If you would not mind, can u share your experience on moon, sat, mars and sun periods in your case. Other than the sun, other 3 planets are close to zero degrees and sun is close to 30 degrees. You have also faced the whole of saturn dasa. If u share the experience, it would help understand effect of gandanta and rashi sandhi better.
Thanks,

Dev

Devji

apologises for the late reply. i completely missed this post.

to tell the truth there was no great upheavals either positive or negative during Sat MD or AD of Moon/Mar and Sun. nothing stands out.

i have no grahas in gandanta though.

[kandhan]

hi kc

is it possible to have your birth data?

[Dev]

Thanks Kandhan. So many talk of rasi sandhi as being bad, now u see, u have demonstrated that it is not so.
Even when planets are situated in a house close to zero degrees, they are not harmful. That is the lesson we have to learn from this. May be gandanta effects may be bad.

Dev

[ChandraLagna]

Gentlemen, we need to see the Navamsa before any conclusion is drawn! It is not that Rasi Sandhi is bad. It just means that the behavior of the planet is unpredictable.

I have seen example of gandanta, where the planet has not really been very bad to the native. The reason is that it was exalted in Navamsa, aspected by Jup.

[Dev]

Thanks Arun. I agree with you. Definitely I was not referring to you. I was saying in general that many astrologers say rasi sandhi is bad. You never said that, I agree. You were only analysing a particular horoscope where u said it is bad.

Dev

[kc123]

@ Dev:

You are most welcome. I am just a learner. More than happy to share my experiences if it helps others.

@Kandhan:

Birth Details:

And do you mind sharing your details too? Would love to see a similar horoscope...

Regards
KC