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The three most important planets of Astrology:
  • The Sun - The soul
    The Moon - Governs ur mind
    Jupiter - The biggest benefic. The one who governs ur fortune, progeny, intelligence, wealth etc..
For Tula Lagna ppl, these three imp planets are considered bad bcoz of the following reasons:
  • Sun - Bhadakesh - Lord of 11th House (Bhadak House)
    Moon - Bcoz of its enemity with the lagna lord Venus
    Jupiter - Bcoz it lords two dusthanas (L3/L6)
Now, if a person is born when Tula was rising, and he has Jupiter debilitated in 4th house, then what should we conclude from this?

Weak Jupiter will weaken the effects of 3rd and 6th house, but it will also affect the person's fortune, intelligence, wealth as he is the natural ruler of these things.


Similarly, Sun is bhadkesh, if he is placed in 12th house in marana, then should we consider this good or bad?


11th house - The House of easy gains. Also considered as alternative lagna is actually a bhadak house for tula lagna ppl.

So, considering all the above points shouldn't we conclude that ppl born under Tula lagna are actually going thru some kind of a curse? or they are born under this lagna bcoz of some past bad karma?
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lot of famous ppl in thula. sun in 12th is considered gud for tula lagna. and every chart has a mix of gud and bad karma. :D
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The birth particulars of celebrities/ famous ppl available on internet cannot be trusted. The details are not verfiable.
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Below details are of three males born under Tula Lagna. Can any1 please predict the problems/troubles they have faced in their life till now?
Limit ur predictions to Career, Family, and Relationships.

1> 10th March 1986, 10.03 pm, Thane
2> 12th September 1983, 10.02 am, Ulhasnagar
3> 17th September 1985, 9.20 am, Ulhasnagar

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tanky85 wrote:Below details are of three males born under Tula Lagna. Can any1 please predict the problems/troubles they have faced in their life till now?
Limit ur predictions to Career, Family, and Relationships.

1> 10th March 1986, 10.03 pm, Thane

till now, nothing great at any front mentioned

2> 12th September 1983, 10.02 am, Ulhasnagar
Good chart pertaining to carrer, is this person somewhere away from place of birth or does he travel a lot

3> 17th September 1985, 9.20 am, Ulhasnagar

okay okay chart

I am learner myself so do let me know how is my analysis in all 3 cases, it will help me learn better and more

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Hi Mannu21,

Thanks for the prediction. Can you tell me how their childhood was?
Something about their family background as well.

Learned Astrologers,

Waiting for ur analysis..
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Inderjit21,

For Libra ascendant people, Jupiter is L3/L6. In your case, it is placed in its own house which is good. Moreover, it is retrograde which makes it better.

There are some pointers which indicate a weak Jupiter.
1, If you are Libra ascendant and are obese it indicates that Jupiter is not favorably placed in your chart.
2, If u have a small and narrow forehead covered with hair, it indicates a weak/debilitated Jupiter.

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BTW all three are cousins...
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tanky85 wrote:The three most important planets of Astrology:
  • The Sun - The soul
    The Moon - Governs ur mind
    Jupiter - The biggest benefic. The one who governs ur fortune, progeny, intelligence, wealth etc..
For Tula Lagna ppl, these three imp planets are considered bad bcoz of the following reasons:
  • Sun - Bhadakesh - Lord of 11th House (Bhadak House)
    Moon - Bcoz of its enemity with the lagna lord Venus
    Jupiter - Bcoz it lords two dusthanas (L3/L6)
The only blanket rule that I follow in astrology is that there are no blanket rules

Re: Badhakesh--I have discussed on this forum before...that you have to see the placement of the planet listed as Badhakesh in that chart....is it in Swakshetra, MT, exaltaion or friendly........it will give positive results.
there is no refrence anywhere that a listed Badhakesh overules the underlined...and generally speaking I believe Badhakesh may be a bit overemphasized phenomenon.

Re: Moon's role in chart.....you have to see where it is placed....w.r.t the lord of the house it sits in....and asses it throuhg the recommended tem + permanent relationships to determin whether moon is friendly or innimical in the chart. If it is in own house of exalation it is even stronger

Re; Jupiter...ditto moon...assess where he sits.

so pull out some examples of Thula Lagna people anbd we can assess on a case by case basis.

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Dear Shilpa,

Lets take the second example (12th September 1983, 10.02 am, Ulhasnagar)

In this chart, Yogakarak Saturn is exalted in the first house.

The person was under Saturn Mahadasha from 1985/5/03 till 4/5/2003.

This period was not et all easy for him...he saw hell lot of problems during the Saturn Mahadasha.

Saturn is 4/5th lord for Tula Lagna people..4/5 bhavas are also associated with education.
Saturn is exalted in his chart, but the guy was below average in studies...he even failed in his exams and lost a year during the Saturn MD.

He has changed his job 8 times in the past 5 years with very less increment in salary. This is justifiable because L10 Moon is debilitated in 2nd bhava and in conjunction wid Ketu causing a Grahan dosha.

Sun the indicator of Father, is in his own sign Leo in the 11th house of easy gains. This indicates a rich and powerful father, but in his case its totally opposite..His father's career never took off. He was financially weak thruout his life.

The guy has also seen lot of domestic violence during his childhood. His parents never shared a healthy relationship.

Here I doubt the capability of Lord Saturn as Yogakarak.

Waiting for ur analysis Shilpa.
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@ tanky85

Thanks for your PM .
I am sorry , I am unable to go through the whole thread, so I am just penning down a few of my random thoughts , I hope it helps ......
• Bhadakesh Create unforeseeable and unexplainable problems in the aspect of life that it touches, it doesn't matter whether it is 11, 9, 7 lord .

• BADHAKESH gives good result only if placed in 12th house .

• Here it is to be understood that the planet which is designated as BHADHAKESH does not function only as a trouble creator , but also as the house lord of the other house over which it has lordship as well .
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A planet manifest its result in the following 3 ways ..........

1. By being a part of a yoga .

2. By its individual inherent properties as per the chart under consideration

3. By the support of other planets .
There are three different kinds of strengths , that are used to ascertain the behavior of the planet in the aforementioned cases , namely .....

1. Shad - Bala

2. Ashtaka - Varga - Bala

3. Vimsopaka - Bala
NOTE : There is something called 22nd DREKKANA , and another thing called MRITYU - BHAGA .

MY - PERSONAL OPINION: Instead of focusing on negativity in a chart focus on the positivity in a chart . If however , u must find the cause of misery and u cant explain it thru conventional analysis , then I suggest u take a look on the above two in tandem with the concept of Bhadakesha
BOTTOM - LINE : Do not judge any book { or for that matter any chart , or any aspect of life in a chart } on its face value . Always try to ascertain the holistic picture
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Sun and Moon for Tula lagna are 11th and 10th lords are not bad and non-malefic.
Jupitor being 3rd and 6th lord is also not bad being lord of Upachaya houses.If debilitated in 4th house it makes the native less dependent on self but more dependent on others.This may cause obstacles in self development and loss of oppertunities.If retro it makes the native to have blind faith in relegion and more superisticious,reducing the ability to think and act practical.
The results are to be seen from planetory placement,lordship, transit etc for dasa and antardasa periods.
My suggestions are for +ve guidance.Divine blessings are ultimate.
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What if it is both debilitated + retrograde in 4th house?
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Check for neechabhanga.If it is not present,a debilitated planet spoils the house where it is placed.Retro replied.
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Can you please check the below chart and confirm whether there is neecbhanga or not?

17th September 1985
9.20 am
Ulhasnagar

Note: Saturn aspects Jupiter

if a planet is debilitated and retro, then it will act like exalted as per phaladeepika...can u please confirm this theory?
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by shilpa » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:03 pm
The only blanket rule that I follow in astrology is that there are no blanket rules Re: Badhakesh--I have discussed on this forum before...that you have to see the placement of the planet listed as Badhakesh in that chart....is it in Swakshetra, MT, exaltaion or friendly........it will give positive results.
there is no refrence anywhere that a listed Badhakesh overules the underlined...and generally speaking I believe Badhakesh may be a bit overemphasized phenomenon.
"The only blanket rule that I follow in astrology is that there are no blanket rules"
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I am with Shilpa all the way in support of her opinion on Badhakesh. I think it’s overemphasized and hyped up. What do the classical texts say? Jataka Parijatha states in no uncertain terms,
Jataka Parijatha Chapter 2 - Sloka 48 - In the case of movable, immovable and dual signs, planets occupying respectively the 11th, 9th and the 7th houses from them or their lords will prove exceedingly troublesome planets if they happen to own at the same time the houses occupied by the lord of Khara or Mandi.
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What is Khara ?
Jataka Parijatha chapter 5 Sloka 56 - Khara is the 22nd Drekkana from that of the Lagna.
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[quote="thirthachengappa"]

I am with Shilpa all the way in support of her opinion on Badhakesh. I think it’s overemphasized and hyped up. What do the classical texts say? Jataka Parijatha states in no uncertain terms,
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I also agree with shilpa ji and thirthachengappa ji.

I sometimes go to an astrologer to clarify my dobuts regarding astrology and he once told me that badhakesh is used only to calculate longevity otherwise there is no purpose of it.
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tanky85 wrote:Dear Shilpa,

Lets take the second example (12th September 1983, 10.02 am, Ulhasnagar)

In this chart, Yogakarak Saturn is exalted in the first house.

The person was under Saturn Mahadasha from 1985/5/03 till 4/5/2003.

This period was not et all easy for him...he saw hell lot of problems during the Saturn Mahadasha.

Saturn is 4/5th lord for Tula Lagna people..4/5 bhavas are also associated with education.
Saturn is exalted in his chart, but the guy was below average in studies...he even failed in his exams and lost a year during the Saturn MD.

He has changed his job 8 times in the past 5 years with very less increment in salary. This is justifiable because L10 Moon is debilitated in 2nd bhava and in conjunction wid Ketu causing a Grahan dosha.

Sun the indicator of Father, is in his own sign Leo in the 11th house of easy gains. This indicates a rich and powerful father, but in his case its totally opposite..His father's career never took off. He was financially weak thruout his life.

The guy has also seen lot of domestic violence during his childhood. His parents never shared a healthy relationship.

Here I doubt the capability of Lord Saturn as Yogakarak.

Waiting for ur analysis Shilpa.

dear tanky,

--Shani is indeed the YK and placed well in the friendly house of Venus conjunct with Asc.

--Moon the Lord of the 10th is debilitated in the 2nd, and conjunct with a very strong Ketu.

Moon represents the mother also.

Mother was either herself troubled or the was not able to give him the support.

--2nd house represents the home/ family environment acquired, whihc is badly afflicted because of debilitated Moon and Ket..... but not completely destroyed because of Jup's presence in the 2nd.

--2nd house also denotes perosnal wealth...which will be mixed as Ketu is very,very strong and will give native wealth in due course.

--9th, 11th and 12th house are very strong...with Me ( L9 and L12) and Sun (L11) in their own houses.

--Until 2011-Nov he is running the debilitated Moon's Dasa affecting in 10th and 2nd houses....and that's why the changes of job so frequently.

--Shani is strong in the chart and will protect the native's own 4th house i,e his family kids, own home/ house environment when he builds it.
the problems are INSPITE of shani and not BECAUSE of shani.
Remember shani is not the only planet acting during it's MD....there are several AD's also and the entire chart acts on the native's life.
But for a strong Shani and Jup's presence in the 2nd, things could have been much worse for him.....like a completely destroyed home environment, no presence of mother in the life, for example.

--Mother and the acquired family environemnt's part of 2nd house is felt strongly in early years....is what your friend felt.....but this part of 2nd house signification diminishes as he grows. And the overall wealth part takes over.

--Career will be mixed, but wealth and luck will be in plenty, his 8th, 9th, 11th and 12th houses are quite strong...and 4th / 5th are well protected. Although Shani's lordship of 5th means...slow and disciplined instead of brilliant and electric.
Onlythe 2nd is badly afflicted, 10th average/ mixed and 6th weak.

Personal part of the early years notwithstanding, future holds much more good and positive.

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Dear Shilpa,

What about the placement of Lagna Lord?

LL Venus is placed in the 10th Bhava in an enemy sign. Moreover, it is in conjunction with a debilitated Mars. Venus-Mars conjunction can lead to marriage troubles. It is also an indicator of two marriages. But if we consider lordship, then they are constituting a good yoga...L2/L7 + L1/L8
The lagna lord is also responsible for protecting child from early life troubles..

I read somewhere on this forun that Sun in 12th is actually good for Tula Lagna ppl...it increases longevity...this is also mentioned in BPHS...However, if we consider lordship, then placement of Sun in 12th indicates "loss of gains". Its like long life without gains...which is more like a curse than a boon...
I know 2nd/5th/9th House are also considered for wealth...but loss of the indications of 11th house is unbearable..
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tanky85 wrote:Dear Shilpa,

What about the placement of Lagna Lord?

LL Venus is placed in the 10th Bhava in an enemy sign. Moreover, it is in conjunction with a debilitated Mars. Venus-Mars conjunction can lead to marriage troubles. It is also an indicator of two marriages. But if we consider lordship, then they are constituting a good yoga...L2/L7 + L1/L8
The lagna lord is also responsible for protecting child from early life troubles..

I read somewhere on this forun that Sun in 12th is actually good for Tula Lagna ppl...it increases longevity...this is also mentioned in BPHS...However, if we consider lordship, then placement of Sun in 12th indicates "loss of gains". Its like long life without gains...which is more like a curse than a boon...
I know 2nd/5th/9th House are also considered for wealth...but loss of the
LL Ve is indeed somwhat weak throuhg innimical placement....but not completely destroyed.
More over Ve is exalted in Navamsa whoihc compensates for the weakness in Rasi.

Nakshatra Lordship is KP methods...whihc should not normally be mixed when using Parashari principles...else we stand risk of confusing ourself.
You won't know what to give more weight to...the Parashari ground rules whihc are very very profound....or jump to Nk lordhsips overriding parashar.
Choose One !

I use Nk for Rah-Ketu when they are standalone...because they don't singularly own houses....although there are many theories floating arount co-lordships and exaltation/ debilitation of Ra-Ket.

and I use Nk placement as a deadloclk breaker...secondary tool....when ground rules don't clarify the position of a planet.

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Hey Shilpa,

Lets take the 1st example (10th March 1986, 10.03 pm, Thane)

He is under Saturn MD from 24-10-1993 till 24-10-2012.
Few imp things that happened during this period:
  • Lost his father when he was around 10
    Completed his Software engineering
    Got married last year in December during Shani Md and Jupiter AD
    Got married to a girl who is 4 years elder to him and from a different caste (Love marriage)
His problem is related to career. He wants a job change, but he is not getting any offers. His is not yielding much from his current job.
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Dear Shilpa,

Rahu in the 7th house may have given him an unconventional marriage.

5th House - Conjunction of Sun (L11), Moon (L10), and Jupiter (L3/L6) is good...Jupiter and Moon are also creating a good Gaj Kesari Yoga..So this period should be fruitful...He also got married in this period..

The only problem is that he brags about job change, but he is actually not doing anything about it. His wife/family feels that he is not et all serious about his life (Ketu in 1st house - a possible cause of this problem)

Lord of the 3rd bhava (Jupiter) which indicates initiatives is placed properly in the 5th bhava...Jupiter also lords L6 the house of jobs...Moreover, he is currently under Jupiter AD...So do you see a job change in this period?

What are your thoughts on the conjunction of Saturn-Mars in the second house?
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Waiting for your reply Shilpa/Learned Members..
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@ Tanky considering the second horoscope of Sep 12 1983, Ulhasnagar..The horoscope has a sarpa yoga..all planets are within the axis of Rahu/Ketu...Moon and Jupiter are before ketu in Sco.

Considering this its more of a Karmic Theory for this chart...Off all the Navgrahas,Shani, Rahu and Ketu are more personified to give results based on our previous karmas..

I would strongly recommend Puja for these three planets..No Gemstones required, just worship..Mercury Dasha will be mixed, Ketu dasha may not be great again from 2020-2027..These 7 Years will really test him..Hence i would recommend Sarpa Dosha Nivaran Puja for this chart.

The Initial Part of Venus Dasha will be excellent for the native......
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[quote="tanky85"]Dear Shilpa,

Rahu in the 7th house may have given him an unconventional marriage.

5th House - Conjunction of Sun (L11), Moon (L10), and Jupiter (L3/L6) is good...Jupiter and Moon are also creating a good Gaj Kesari Yoga..So this period should be fruitful...He also got married in this period..



The only problem is that he brags about job change, but he is actually not doing anything about it. His wife/family feels that he is not et all serious about his life (Ketu in 1st house - a possible cause of this problem)..



Lord of the 3rd bhava (Jupiter) which indicates initiatives is placed properly in the 5th bhava...Jupiter also lords L6 the house of jobs...Moreover, he is currently under Jupiter AD...So do you see a job change in this period?

What are your thoughts on the conjunction of Saturn-Mars in the second house?[/quote]


Jupiter with Sun in 5th is testimony of a chart which makes one good in trade, this is also characterized by Rahu in 7th..

Jupiter, Sun and Moon in 5th will give him a touch of an astrologer...he will b good in astrology..But Ju is not good for Libra Lagna.. the Antar Dasha/MD generally goes without much developments personified by areas where Jupiter Rules[3rd signifying enterprising nature, initiatives/valor and 6th signifying Service] hence these areas will show no good/favorable results..Again Ju is Deb in Navamsa, i dont forsee great changes in career till 2012 for the Native..

Moon here makes the person lazy ...he dreams more, Moon is deep combust here which will lessen the strength of 10L and Gaj Kesari Yoga.He will be profitable in jobs/business involving depositor of Moon i.e Saturn/Rahu(Metals/Engineering Goods, Electronics)

again this kundali has the sarpa dosha significations /connections..hwevr the strength is less,

Job Change is recommended post Nov 2011...

Saturn Mars combo in 2nd Makes him deal successfully in lands/real estate..His mother and first child will be lucky for his financial status..Though the combination may not be good for his wife..

It will also mean he is not able to express himself correctly or he speaks something which he didnt mean..

Rahu in 7th and Presence of 7th Lord with Venus/Saturn is bound to give an Unconventional Love Marriage
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