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Basab
Dev,
You are right, one cannot understand the true value of spirituality until and unless he is done with his material enjoyment. Just by reading about something or hearing about something, which one has not experienced himself will not help him at all in understanding its value.
I don't think the other side of coin is suffering. Whenever I have had material enjoyment, I have liked it, tremendously. I will share one incident with you. I am a fan of an actress, since the last 2 years, and she never replied to me, though I wrote to her many times. I felt sad about it and always wished that she replies to me, one day. It was amazing that everyone was confident that she will reply to me, someday. A few months back when she replied to one of my comments on her fan club, just wrote a 'thank u', I felt a tremendous happiness. I can't explain how amazing that feeling was. I started feeling a slight pain in my chest in the excitment, and I even worried that I would die of happiness, so happy, I was. Now, it took 2 years to see this small wish of mine get fulfilled, but I think, even now, it was worth the wait. And I can wait 5 years or even more to see small wishes of mine, like this, get fulfilled, because when it does get fulfilled, it gives a happiness, which is heavenly. So it is wrong to say that the world of maya can't give happiness, and there is suffering even in that. It is not suffering at all. If you get to see your dreams fulfilled, there is nothing which can make you happier than that.
The love for a person is always permanent. We may lose the person we love, but the love for them stays, forever. Haven't you heard of the concept of soulmates? People who loves each other in previous lifetimes take birth again and feel a tremedous attraction for each other in the very first sight, making them feel like they had known each other since ages. So love is eternal.
And then, I have read in books on rebirth that the people we interact with in this life are people whom we have known in previous lives, too. Those with whom we share good relation, we had good relation with them in our previous lives as well, and those with whom we share bad relation, we had bad relation with them in the previous lives as well. Don't we make instant friendship with some and feel instant hatred for some?--it's all because of past life relations with them. So never say that love is impermanent.
Just like in this world of maya, everyone has die one day, it is also true that in this world of maya, a grief for something or someone also 'dies'. We move on with life, we don't get stuck up in that grief, forever. When someone close to us dies, we feel tremendous grief, but then, after a few months, we don't feel that much grief, anymore. We slowly move on in life. I have faced a lot of humiliation in life and a lot of suffering too, but then, am I crying over my past? No, not at all. I have forgotten it all, unless, I sit back and try to remember it. So the world of maya makes us forget our sufferings, too. That is a kind of blessing of God.
You are right, one cannot understand the true value of spirituality until and unless he is done with his material enjoyment. Just by reading about something or hearing about something, which one has not experienced himself will not help him at all in understanding its value.
I don't think the other side of coin is suffering. Whenever I have had material enjoyment, I have liked it, tremendously. I will share one incident with you. I am a fan of an actress, since the last 2 years, and she never replied to me, though I wrote to her many times. I felt sad about it and always wished that she replies to me, one day. It was amazing that everyone was confident that she will reply to me, someday. A few months back when she replied to one of my comments on her fan club, just wrote a 'thank u', I felt a tremendous happiness. I can't explain how amazing that feeling was. I started feeling a slight pain in my chest in the excitment, and I even worried that I would die of happiness, so happy, I was. Now, it took 2 years to see this small wish of mine get fulfilled, but I think, even now, it was worth the wait. And I can wait 5 years or even more to see small wishes of mine, like this, get fulfilled, because when it does get fulfilled, it gives a happiness, which is heavenly. So it is wrong to say that the world of maya can't give happiness, and there is suffering even in that. It is not suffering at all. If you get to see your dreams fulfilled, there is nothing which can make you happier than that.
The love for a person is always permanent. We may lose the person we love, but the love for them stays, forever. Haven't you heard of the concept of soulmates? People who loves each other in previous lifetimes take birth again and feel a tremedous attraction for each other in the very first sight, making them feel like they had known each other since ages. So love is eternal.
And then, I have read in books on rebirth that the people we interact with in this life are people whom we have known in previous lives, too. Those with whom we share good relation, we had good relation with them in our previous lives as well, and those with whom we share bad relation, we had bad relation with them in the previous lives as well. Don't we make instant friendship with some and feel instant hatred for some?--it's all because of past life relations with them. So never say that love is impermanent.
Just like in this world of maya, everyone has die one day, it is also true that in this world of maya, a grief for something or someone also 'dies'. We move on with life, we don't get stuck up in that grief, forever. When someone close to us dies, we feel tremendous grief, but then, after a few months, we don't feel that much grief, anymore. We slowly move on in life. I have faced a lot of humiliation in life and a lot of suffering too, but then, am I crying over my past? No, not at all. I have forgotten it all, unless, I sit back and try to remember it. So the world of maya makes us forget our sufferings, too. That is a kind of blessing of God.
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Basab
Sri Ramakrishna did say quite a few times about some people that they want to enjoy life a little more, so let them enjoy. He also said that those people shouldn't think of renunciation, whose material desires have not been fulfilled yet.
aseem82 wrote:Tell Sri Ramakrishna that you wants to enjoy more materialistic life and wait for His reply. But then not possibleWhat is there to laugh?
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Basab
Aseem,
Keeping in mind your track record of successful predictions, I think your this prediction about Milred that she won't turn spiritual, will also come true.
Keeping in mind your track record of successful predictions, I think your this prediction about Milred that she won't turn spiritual, will also come true.
aseem82 wrote:Ofcourse you are right about your combinations but based on my analysis of her, they have given materialistic only like I corrrectly said 5th Lord in 9th House gives a son, 8th Lord in 5th house gives problems in birthing of children but then exalted will ensure smooth birth and Lord Moon in 11th house will give her materialistic mind since birth. But let's see what happens as only the TIME WILL TELL!!!
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Basab
Definitely!! Anyway, I don't want to waste my time arguing, and the way you are asking me about maya and spirituality, it shows you want to argue than to understand. I don't make my own definition of spirituality, so if you want to know what I believe, read what Sri Ramakrishna believes, in the book, 'The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna', and you will get all your answers. Here's the link for it: http://www.belurmath.org/gospel/
Anyway, I don't want to waste my time arguing, and the way you are asking me about maya and spirituality, it shows you want to argue than to understand. I don't make my own definition of spirituality, so if you want to know what I believe, read what Sri Ramakrishna believes, in the book, 'The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna', and you will get all your answers. Here's the link for it: http://www.belurmath.org/gospel/sita wrote:and it includes everything and everyone righto ?Basab wrote:This world is maya.
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Basab:
I agree with some of your points. I never said love is not eternal, it is only because we love someone that we feel pain at their loss. Once u lose them, u still love them and that causes pain. That is why it is said in the Gita to have detatched attachment. You definitely move on even after loss of someone close. But then why is it? It is more so because u cannot bring back the life. Suppose u had the power to bring them back, would u not do that first before doing anything else. It is only endurance or our inability to act which makes us to remain so, it is not even acceptance. We may not even accept their loss and even feel God was unkind but can we do anything at all? No.
This is what I meant.
Also regarding the feeling of happiness with the actress, it is only a crazy feeling for an unknown. You have liking for her only because of her beauty or good acting but not for her nature. If at all u meet her and find her to be not friendly, u may take back your words.
There was a movie wherein one lady was madly in love with actresses and she was so fond of them. Then slowly the actress herself slowly comes to her rescue and advises her saying that they may act in a particular role but have nothing to do with that, each time they do different roles and explains all this and transforms the lady slowly. So the actress herself says what they do is maya in the already maya world and slowly she becomes normal.
If it gives u temporary happiness, u can go ahead and have that but u need to look for permanent happiness.
Dev
I agree with some of your points. I never said love is not eternal, it is only because we love someone that we feel pain at their loss. Once u lose them, u still love them and that causes pain. That is why it is said in the Gita to have detatched attachment. You definitely move on even after loss of someone close. But then why is it? It is more so because u cannot bring back the life. Suppose u had the power to bring them back, would u not do that first before doing anything else. It is only endurance or our inability to act which makes us to remain so, it is not even acceptance. We may not even accept their loss and even feel God was unkind but can we do anything at all? No.
This is what I meant.
Also regarding the feeling of happiness with the actress, it is only a crazy feeling for an unknown. You have liking for her only because of her beauty or good acting but not for her nature. If at all u meet her and find her to be not friendly, u may take back your words.
There was a movie wherein one lady was madly in love with actresses and she was so fond of them. Then slowly the actress herself slowly comes to her rescue and advises her saying that they may act in a particular role but have nothing to do with that, each time they do different roles and explains all this and transforms the lady slowly. So the actress herself says what they do is maya in the already maya world and slowly she becomes normal.
If it gives u temporary happiness, u can go ahead and have that but u need to look for permanent happiness.
Dev
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Basab
Dev,
Definitely, we feel the pain when someone we love leaves us, but should that stop us from loving someone? Yes, Gita talks about detached attachment, but that will never let us love anyone. Should we forego that beautiful emotion because it will in the end give us suffering, should we forget the years that we have enjoyed that bliss of love because it will break our heart one day? I don't think that is the right attitude to have. That way, everything becomes meaningless. That way, we will not feel the desire to do anything at all and get into depression. We should enjoy our life with what we have than cry over what we don't have. I have no success in life, and I feel terribly bad about it too, but then, it will be wrong on my part to say that I don't enjoy my life, at all. I do enjoy it. I love watching TV at night, I love listening to music, I love discussing astrology and spirituality with you all here, I love reading books, I love day dreaming. So I love life even when I have not much with me. I am making the most of what I have with me, and I am trying to accept what I don't have with me. Reading spiritual books helps a lot in accepting things, which we don't get. We can't get everything we want, and life is never easy, but one has to make the most of what he has and find happiness in it. That is what life is all about as far as I am concerned.
Definitely, we feel the pain when someone we love leaves us, but should that stop us from loving someone? Yes, Gita talks about detached attachment, but that will never let us love anyone. Should we forego that beautiful emotion because it will in the end give us suffering, should we forget the years that we have enjoyed that bliss of love because it will break our heart one day? I don't think that is the right attitude to have. That way, everything becomes meaningless. That way, we will not feel the desire to do anything at all and get into depression. We should enjoy our life with what we have than cry over what we don't have. I have no success in life, and I feel terribly bad about it too, but then, it will be wrong on my part to say that I don't enjoy my life, at all. I do enjoy it. I love watching TV at night, I love listening to music, I love discussing astrology and spirituality with you all here, I love reading books, I love day dreaming. So I love life even when I have not much with me. I am making the most of what I have with me, and I am trying to accept what I don't have with me. Reading spiritual books helps a lot in accepting things, which we don't get. We can't get everything we want, and life is never easy, but one has to make the most of what he has and find happiness in it. That is what life is all about as far as I am concerned.
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Basab
Dev,Dev wrote:Also regarding the feeling of happiness with the actress, it is only a crazy feeling for an unknown. You have liking for her only because of her beauty or good acting but not for her nature. If at all u meet her and find her to be not friendly, u may take back your words.
You have said that my being happy about actress replying is a crazy feeling because I don't know her. What is then a person's love for God? Does anyone know Him? Why should we leave everything for someone, whom we don't even know? Why should we become spiritual when there is no proof to show that this world is maya, and the reality is something else? Isn't it foolish then to think of spirituality when spirituality has no scientific basis to it? Maybe all this is false. Maybe all this talk about detachment is nothing but a way to help people from getting more hurt. Can you prove there is a scientific basis to spirituality? Why should we believe what a few old scirptures say, or what some saints say? Maybe it is all false.
Now, I am sure you have heard about Meera's love for Lord Krishna. Had she seen Lord Krishna? Had she ever talked to Him? But then, she had dedicated her life to him. Isn't it total madness then? I am at least thinking of a person, who exists in this world. About Sri Krishna, maybe he was a fictional character. And to fall in love with him, isn't it more foolish then?
Now, coming to my favourite actress, I like her because of her acting. I have seen her interviews in real life, and she is very much different from what she is on-screen. And I don't like her real life personality, at all. So what? I love her as a star, and I am not thinking of being her friend or being her lover. I am sure you know what the word 'fan' means. I am a die-hard fan of hers, and about her ignoring me, didn't I say in my previous posts that she didn't reply to any of my mails, even when I wrote to her many times, sending 5 stories written by me thinking of her? But is that the reason I should start hating her? She has every right to not reply to me, to not talk to me and to ignore me. It is her wish. Does God reply to us? Does He talk to us? But still you will see thousands of people in temples and mosques and churches praying to God. Why? You will see saints leaving everything for God. Why? Why should we leave everything for someone, who doesn't even bother to talk to us, to come and meet us?
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milredr
Basab/Aseem
When u all say i will or not turn spiritual what do u all mean. What is spirituality?
Regards,
When u all say i will or not turn spiritual what do u all mean. What is spirituality?
Regards,
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Basab
What do you mean--I am not normal? Is being a fan of someone, being abnormal? Don't we admire people for their talents? Don't we get inpsired by great people?Dev wrote:There was a movie wherein one lady was madly in love with actresses and she was so fond of them. Then slowly the actress herself slowly comes to her rescue and advises her saying that they may act in a particular role but have nothing to do with that, each time they do different roles and explains all this and transforms the lady slowly. So the actress herself says what they do is maya in the already maya world and slowly she becomes normal.
You only said in your previous posts that in this world one can not get permanent happiness, and now, when I said that I am happy with temporary happiness, you are asking me to go for permanent happiness. When nothing is permanent in the world, how can we get permanent happiness? Happiness and sadness comes one after another, and they are always temporary, so seeking permanent happiness in this world, where nothing is permanent, is a wild goose chase. It is an abnormal desire, which can never be fulfilled.Dev wrote:If it gives u temporary happiness, u can go ahead and have that but u need to look for permanent happiness.
Hi Bassu....I m asking the same thing.....whats is SPIRITUALITY??......and who is the authority to decide that?.....Can ANYONE tell me whats is SPIRITUALITY??milredr wrote:Basab/Aseem
When u all say i will or not turn spiritual what do u all mean. What is spirituality?
Regards,
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Basab
Sita,
Read the books on teachings of greats saints, read the scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads, read Bhagavad Gita, and you will know what spirituality is. I can assure you one thing, people like us, who are drowned in the material world doesn't have the authority to decide what spirituality is. I don't want to get into this discussion, so please excuse me. If you believe you are spiritual, then believe it. I have suggested you a book, and I can suggest you more books to understand what spirituality is, but if you want to convince me your idea of spirituality, then I am not for it. Try to convince it to someone else because I will like to believe the definiton of 'spirituality' given by Lord Krishna in 'Bhagavad Gita' or by Sri Ramakrishna in 'The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, or by Swami Vivekananda in his lectures on the subject, or by other great saints, than believe in what you say.
Read the books on teachings of greats saints, read the scriptures like Vedas, Upanishads, read Bhagavad Gita, and you will know what spirituality is. I can assure you one thing, people like us, who are drowned in the material world doesn't have the authority to decide what spirituality is. I don't want to get into this discussion, so please excuse me. If you believe you are spiritual, then believe it. I have suggested you a book, and I can suggest you more books to understand what spirituality is, but if you want to convince me your idea of spirituality, then I am not for it. Try to convince it to someone else because I will like to believe the definiton of 'spirituality' given by Lord Krishna in 'Bhagavad Gita' or by Sri Ramakrishna in 'The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, or by Swami Vivekananda in his lectures on the subject, or by other great saints, than believe in what you say.
Basab:
Calm down, I never said you are not normal.
I was talking of the movie, since every now and then she always talked of the actress and said she was everything for her. That was definitely not normal and u would realise when u see the movie.
When dear ones die, u cannot be eternally happy remembering them, after some time u feel bad they are gone.
When u dont have the power to prevent death of people, definitely it is the superpower that is responsible for all this. We dont have that power and so to come to terms with loss of people, either one has to think of it as his own karma or as maya to get away from it. This is fact but not escapism, May be escapism for those who dont believe in God but still they cannot fight with God and win over him.
You dont have to see God, u have to feel. If u love him, u will feel for him. It is not madness. He is the creator.
Anyway about the actress, it is a kind of crazy feeling that is all.
May be u are still leading a happy life within all the limitations. Imagine if suddenly forsee a situation wherein u dont even get food, would u think of her? Or say if u went for a job, would u have time to watch these movies all the time. Now she is ur friend since directly or indirectly she is entertaining u since u have no other means of entertainment other than watching movies and listening to songs.
You yourself acknowledged u dont have many friends, u dont move out from ur place, dont go out much and dont welcome friends at home. Further, u said, u were not good at studies and could not complete some computer course, also u dont have interest in spirituality or astrology. So when TV alone is time pass for u, probably u have no choice in calling the actress as ur friend but then it is all maya still and u havent come to terms with life yet and have not seen hardships in life. U may have some suffering but your dear ones are taking utmost care and so u dont see difficulties.
Dev
Calm down, I never said you are not normal.
I was talking of the movie, since every now and then she always talked of the actress and said she was everything for her. That was definitely not normal and u would realise when u see the movie.
When dear ones die, u cannot be eternally happy remembering them, after some time u feel bad they are gone.
When u dont have the power to prevent death of people, definitely it is the superpower that is responsible for all this. We dont have that power and so to come to terms with loss of people, either one has to think of it as his own karma or as maya to get away from it. This is fact but not escapism, May be escapism for those who dont believe in God but still they cannot fight with God and win over him.
You dont have to see God, u have to feel. If u love him, u will feel for him. It is not madness. He is the creator.
Anyway about the actress, it is a kind of crazy feeling that is all.
May be u are still leading a happy life within all the limitations. Imagine if suddenly forsee a situation wherein u dont even get food, would u think of her? Or say if u went for a job, would u have time to watch these movies all the time. Now she is ur friend since directly or indirectly she is entertaining u since u have no other means of entertainment other than watching movies and listening to songs.
You yourself acknowledged u dont have many friends, u dont move out from ur place, dont go out much and dont welcome friends at home. Further, u said, u were not good at studies and could not complete some computer course, also u dont have interest in spirituality or astrology. So when TV alone is time pass for u, probably u have no choice in calling the actress as ur friend but then it is all maya still and u havent come to terms with life yet and have not seen hardships in life. U may have some suffering but your dear ones are taking utmost care and so u dont see difficulties.
Dev
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Basab
Milred,
What I believe is that you will grow more detachment towards materialistc life and what Aseem believes is that won't happen, that is, you will be very much enjoying your materialistic life like you have been always. About what is spirituality, you will get the answer in the English dictionary.
What I believe is that you will grow more detachment towards materialistc life and what Aseem believes is that won't happen, that is, you will be very much enjoying your materialistic life like you have been always. About what is spirituality, you will get the answer in the English dictionary.
milredr wrote:Basab/Aseem
When u all say i will or not turn spiritual what do u all mean. What is spirituality?
Regards,
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Basab
Sita,
I didn't say that it will take time for you to become spiritual. I said, you are a little spiritual, but that is all, you won't progress much in it. You will have faith in God and pray to Him sometimes, do His pooja sometimes, but that is all. You won't leave the material world in search for God or detach yourself from materialistic life. That is what I meant.
I didn't say that it will take time for you to become spiritual. I said, you are a little spiritual, but that is all, you won't progress much in it. You will have faith in God and pray to Him sometimes, do His pooja sometimes, but that is all. You won't leave the material world in search for God or detach yourself from materialistic life. That is what I meant.
sita wrote:Bassu,I m asking bcoz u said abt me that I'll take time to become spritual.....?
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Basab
I am angry because someone has said that it's madness being a fan of a star.
sita wrote:and y r getting angry??.....dont fight as I m bad in bro-sis fight
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Basab
Dev,Dev wrote:So when TV alone is time pass for u, probably u have no choice in calling the actress as ur friend
I will not write any reply on the other things you said, but only this: TV is not my only time pass. I watch TV only 2 hours, everyday. And it has nothing to do with my present situation because since my childhood when I used to go to school, college, I have loved watching TV and movies, and at that time watching TV was as enjoyable to me as it is now. I used to be fan of actresses even then, and used to like them as much as I like this actress now, and at that time I used to go out and have many friends, so the present condition has nothing to do with it. And one more thing, I think you don't understand English: I have never ever said anywhere that the actress is my friend. I don't even know her, and I have never talked to her, so how can I ever become her friend? I have said from the very beginning that I am her fan, and that's what it is. Being a fan of someone is not abnormal. My mom's maternal uncle was an industrialist, but he was a big fan of Amitabh Bacchan and watched his movies all the time, his wife was also a big fan of Amitabh Bacchan, and she had even written to him, and he used to reply to her. She was the Head of the Department of Bengali in a College, so you can understand that one doesn't need to be lonely, or unsocial, to become a fan of someone.
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milredr
Couldnt check the dictionary but googled. This is what wikipedia says. No where it mentions anything about materialism......Was too long to cut and paste.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality
Regards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality
Regards
