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SIR ,

It seems that you consider yourself an absolute an final authority on the issue at hand , thus you have the audacity to give BOTTOM-LINE on the subject matter.

The only thing that I wish to say in this regard is an old saying in hindi , which goes like this "Khud ko aakalmand samajhna Aachi baat hai ..... lekin jo doosro ko bevakoof samjhe , usse bada morkh duniya mei doosra koi nahi ho sakta "

ENGLISH-TRANSLATION : To think of thyself as knowledgeable / intelligent is a good thing .... but those who think of others as of inferiors intellects are actually the biggest fool of all .

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Sudarshang wrote:
Bottomline!

Post by Sudarshang » Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:07 pm

Posting after a gap:

1. There is one Supreme Lord - Sriman Narayana.
2. There are four goals every person desires - (aka purusharthas) - Justice and Level Playing Field (Dharma), Wealth (Artha), Fulfilment of Desires (Kama), and Liberation from Samsara that signifies alternation of pain and pleasure (Moksha). Dharma, Artha, and Kama are physical desires. Moksha alone is a spiritual desire. Therefore people that deny spirituality dont care for or achieve Moksha. They continue to live the cycles of birth and death in samsara during which time they experience alternating pain and pleasure. People that attain Moksha do not experience pain, thereafter in their lives.
3. The spirit from which spirituality evolves is also called Aatma/Soul.
4. Aatma is different from the Lord that bestows the Moksha on it.
5. The Lord is the only person/authority that can grant Moksha to an individual soul.
6. The Lord is the only INDEPENDENT person in the whole entire existence. All other beings, sentient and insentient are always dependent on HIM. That is why He is called, Narayana - meaning, the source of all things that exist.
7. The Lord is always trying to promote the souls to become interested in, and achieve Moksha. It is we, given our intelligence and scientific reasoning, that keep negating Moksha and indulge in all kinds of activities (out of free will and choice) that take us farther away from Moksha.
8. The Lord's desire is to grant Moksha, It is we who are running away from Him and Moksha.
9. Even those that understand that Moksha is the final destination, are unaware of methods they can use to achieve it.
10. At least 12 methods have been defined in various shastras that most definitely include Karma, Jnana, Bhakthi, Dana, etc, The 12th one stated in Yalgnavalkya's smriti is Prapatti. This is said to be the easiest of the 12 methods.
11. Prapatti is nothing but Sharanagati, or surrendering one's so-called independence at the feet of the Creator, accepting our dependence on Him, and requesting HIM to take us to Moksha.
12. If we perform Sharanagati by ourselves, there is no reason for HIM to trust us or listen our pleas. Therefore we use a mediator - this Mediator is someone who is in His good books, and therefore someone whose recommendation HE will not reject. That person is the Acharya.
13. In Swami Ramanuja's sampradaya, he has appointed 74 Acharyas called Jeeyars who are empowered to talk to the Lord and recommend individual souls for Moksha.
14. Any individual reading this, and is interested in booking his/her ticket to Moksha may contact one of the 74 Jeeyars.It is roughly a 30 minute procedure.

the rest deleted due to word limit ....
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Sudarshang wrote:14. Any individual reading this, and is interested in booking his/her ticket to Moksha may contact one of the 74 Jeeyars.It is roughly a 30 minute procedure.
This seems easier than getting a U.S Visa :roll: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Sudarshang wrote:12. If we perform Sharanagati by ourselves, there is no reason for HIM to trust us or listen our pleas. Therefore we use a mediator - this Mediator is someone who is in His good books, and therefore someone whose recommendation HE will not reject. That person is the Acharya.
Amar Singh, Radia can apply for the post of Acharya :idea: :lol: :lol:

On a more serious note.......
Sudarshang wrote:7. The Lord is always trying to promote the souls to become interested in, and achieve Moksha. It is we, given our intelligence and scientific reasoning, that keep negating Moksha and indulge in all kinds of activities (out of free will and choice) that take us farther away from Moksha.8. The Lord's desire is to grant Moksha, It is we who are running away from Him and Moksha.
Contradiction ? The lord needs to TRY ? Our free will and choice can supersede that of the Lord ? ( That means the Lord is not all powerful ? ) :?
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Dinesh.Srivastava wrote:SIR ,

It seems that you consider yourself an absolute an final authority on the issue at hand , thus you have the audacity to give BOTTOM-LINE on the subject matter.

The only thing that I wish to say in this regard is an old saying in hindi , which goes like this "Khud ko aakalmand samajhna Aachi baat hai ..... lekin jo doosro ko bevakoof samjhe , usse bada morkh duniya mei doosra koi nahi ho sakta "

ENGLISH-TRANSLATION : To think of thyself as knowledgeable / intelligent is a good thing .... but those who think of others as of inferiors intellects are actually the biggest fool of all .

With all deserved Respect
--- Dinesh
Dinesh-ji

Naa hamne khud ko akalmand ghoshit kiya, naahi kisi ko bevakoof! I have merely stated what I know with confidence - not arrogance. Rest is your interpretation - now, your interpretation can't be my statement, can it?
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likewise yr assumptions cant be universal ... specially abt the matters that are intangible

thus the use of the word BOTTOM LINE indicate ARROGANCE
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Abhijit Muhurta !!! wrote:
Sudarshang wrote:14. Any individual reading this, and is interested in booking his/her ticket to Moksha may contact one of the 74 Jeeyars.It is roughly a 30 minute procedure.
This seems easier than getting a U.S Visa :roll: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Sudarshang wrote:12. If we perform Sharanagati by ourselves, there is no reason for HIM to trust us or listen our pleas. Therefore we use a mediator - this Mediator is someone who is in His good books, and therefore someone whose recommendation HE will not reject. That person is the Acharya.
Amar Singh, Radia can apply for the post of Acharya :idea: :lol: :lol:

On a more serious note.......
Sudarshang wrote:7. The Lord is always trying to promote the souls to become interested in, and achieve Moksha. It is we, given our intelligence and scientific reasoning, that keep negating Moksha and indulge in all kinds of activities (out of free will and choice) that take us farther away from Moksha.8. The Lord's desire is to grant Moksha, It is we who are running away from Him and Moksha.
Contradiction ? The lord needs to TRY ? Our free will and choice can supersede that of the Lord ? ( That means the Lord is not all powerful ? ) :?
1. True, it is easier than getting US visa.
2. Amar Singh, and Radia may be mediators of a different kind, but not in matters related to the supreme Lord.
3. No, there is no contradictions. Yes He is all powerful. and Yes, He has to try! Just because He is powerful does not mean He can change the way you think - You have to think - You have to make decisions - those are all the faculties given to the Human Beings. Remember the analogy I had used earlier - He is the Director - we are the actors. The Actor still has to act - Director may try his best to coach/direct the actor - but acting is still to be done by the actor only. Director cant act for the actor.
Sudarshang

Dinesh.Srivastava wrote:likewise yr assumptions cant be universal ... specially abt the matters that are intangible

thus the use of the word BOTTOM LINE indicate ARROGANCE
OK I am ARROGANT. So be it!
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Sudarshang wrote:
Dinesh.Srivastava wrote:likewise yr assumptions cant be universal ... specially abt the matters that are intangible

thus the use of the word BOTTOM LINE indicate ARROGANCE
OK I am ARROGANT. So be it!

hahahahahaah ....... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

now dont u think that an arrogant person is not qualified to preach gyan on moksha ??????
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and why not?
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because the PARAM-AATMA is without bias and the aim of MOKSHA is to be one with it

but i do not expect an arrogant person to understand this
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thank you. since you have decided for me that I wont understand it, I will not attempt to try to understand your statement. at least I will not impose my own interpretation of it as you have done with my statements. That shows how much you understand and what you know.
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hahahaah ......

i heard a very old proverb : GRAPES ARE SOUR

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Going by the analogy of the movie..... It takes all sorts to make a movie....there will be a Hero, Villain, side actors etc.
The "Director" should be happy with the way each one plays his/her part in the movie.
Why is it that all should aspire to be the Hero ?
Why is this GOAL always put in the future ?

MOKSHA !!! If not now...... in the future....
If not in the future....in the next life !!!
Is it not wasting TODAY'S life for a yonder mirage ?
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Sudarshang wrote:Remember the analogy I had used earlier - He is the Director - we are the actors. The Actor still has to act - Director may try his best to coach/direct the actor - but acting is still to be done by the actor only. Director cant act for the actor.
Sudharshang,

The actor acts as per the script and not as per his own wish. So where is this point of free will coming up? There is only God's will as He is the script writer for the movie called 'Life'. :mrgreen:
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Hello Dinesh Sir,

IGNORE him. 8)
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Where's our lady in red? Blue doesn't suit her. It's not her colour. :D
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Aseem,

Don't try to find basis to what Sita has said. She is never wrong. :mrgreen:
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Aseem,

You are right. Everyone has their own beliefs. And coming to moksha, yes, you are right, there are many ways to moksha. Karma yoga is a very good path to attain moksha. If you have chosen that path, it is very good. I like the path of jnana and also bhakti, but then, I have not started on any of those paths, yet. Lots of material wishes to fulfill before I take to spirituality properly.
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I believe in New Age Spirituality 8)
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Hi Sita,

Nice to see you back in your original colour. :) I have read about the four paths to moksha, karma yoga, jnana yoga, raja yoga, bhakti yoga, in the 'Bhagavad Gita' and in other spiritual books, but never come across this path you have mentioned. :mrgreen: Would you be kind enough to explain what this 'New Age Spirituality' is all about.
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Aseem,

You are absolutely right that until one gets the spiritual call, one has to wait. I think I am not yet ready to walk on the spiritual path, though it is true that I have started reading books on it, to understand that path.
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Aseem,

About shunning 'woman' and 'gold', to get moksha, well, it's because they are the chief obstacles in the path to moksha. By 'gold', money is being talked about, and by 'woman', lust, and out of these two, the latter, that is lust, holds the power to pull you down from the great heights you have reached in spirituality. These two things, 'money' and 'lust', are the chief components of maya, which can take away the spirituality in you in a moment's time. A person, who is in the spiritual path should think of 'money' and 'lust' as the two greatest enemies, he has to deal with, and it is not easy. It is the most difficult thing to do. Curbing your natural instincts is the most difficult thing to do. Whichever path you choose, whether karma, jnana, bhakti or dhayna, it is not easy.

Good luck on your spiritual journey in the path of karma. May God help you in every stage and help you reach your goal, without any problem. Just be careful about these two things: money and lust.
Sudarshang

as long as you focus on individual objects - like money and lust - they will never go away - in fact they will become even more a bigger obstacle to overcome. All experiences of gold and lust and everything else we keep chasing in real life culminates in our senses - because we have to use our senses to experience it all. Instead of being careful about money and lust, it is better to focus all attention on the supreme Lord and his great qualities like grace, kindness, valour. Like we say, "Tvameva Matacha Pita Tvameva ...Tvameva Sarvam Mama Deva Devaa" - focus all attention HIM, discuss HIM in everything you do, consider whatever do you as service to HIM, because HE is everything...then you will see the lust and desire for gold will automatically vanish on their own.
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Very Nice sudarshang Ji. The only right attitude is "GRATITUDE" rest all is ego.

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Hi

I have in general seen several people preaching others very nicely but what they themselves do not practise.
The way they write you would feel they are almost near absolute truth and that they are blemishless, only next to God. Unfortunately, when u get closer, u will see that sometimes they are even no better than u leave alone being blemishless. There are some who do all aradhana for God without fail but hurt others immensely which is unpardonable. They dont go together. It would be even better if they avoided hurting others and even disbelieved in God. Because by doing all pujas with perfection, they appear to be a goat with wolf's skin. To majority they would ever be goats but to few who identify them, they are wolves.

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