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astrosonu wrote:Hi Rishi,

I am taking navamsha irrespective of navamsha lagna. So, the placement of Jupiter in its own navamsha remains intact with gemini lagna for quite a long period of time. Same applies to its aspect on 5th lord venus. Even if you take few more mins here and there, navamsa holds good.

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Rishi=This is not a confirmatory factor.. after all we are in sss settings.

astrosonu wrote:This lady that Rajat put the details up suffered every calamity in MD of a yogakaraka MArs. If YK was only beneficial, such things should not have happened.

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Rishi= I have known a very close relative having Vrishabh langa with yogakaraka and badhakaphipati sani in badhaksthan in Makar in own house. Here, the badhakness was more.
He died in Sani Sani........ Of course I am talking of drik with N.C Lahiri
Badhaksthan is more badhak than owning badhak houses in my experience.

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Rishi=This is not a confirmatory factor.. after all we are in sss settings.
Why not ? whats wrong with SSS ?

Other than this even if you use Drik with Gemini, my analysis still prevails. So, i guess siddhanta is not an issue here.
Rishi= I have known a very close relative having Vrishabh langa with yogakaraka and badhakaphipati sani in badhaksthan in Makar in own house. Here, the badhakness was more.
He died in Sani Sani........ Of course I am talking of drik with N.C Lahiri
Badhaksthan is more badhak than owning badhak houses in my experience.


Its not clear what you are trying to convey about badhaka. Is it supportive of my statement OR contradictory to it ? To me looks like you are saying the same thing as what i mentioned. Just want to be sure.

Secondly, you have umpteen ayanamsas in Jhora. If you want to fit in a theory with a permutation combination, somewhere or else it will.
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Dear Shilpa,
In next few days, I will sharing as many as 10 charts in which Vimsottari of YK has created disaster in the person's life. Again am saying the same thing that YK, Paarijata yogas, Gajakesari all are very general things in astrology and the results completely change with certain variations in a chart. Have you seen a person having Paarijata yoga working as Peon? Have you seen Gajakesari yoga with exalted
Hello rajat,
Fructification of Yogas is a subject I have often discussed on this forum.
Jhora lists on an average a dozen Yogas for every individual...however medicore or poor his life might be.
For a Yoga to fructify....the participating planets have to be strong in the Rasi chart, well placed in DasaVarga Charts, the Yoga triggered by an appropriate Dasa/ AD and/ or transitory planets..and for it to yield the right results the native much catch the MD/ AD of the participating planets in the prime of his life.
Less than 10% of the Yogas deliver the larger than life greatness that might seem they will when reading their desricptions.

I look forward to your smaple charts and am hoping that you are not attributing the disasters to the YK.
Even without looking at the charts I can say that disasters may have happened INSPITE of the YK and not because of it.
YK is like a shield but not unpenetrable......however it can never turn into a self-wound inflicting dagger



Jupiter and own house Moon behaving as a beggar? Also Jaimini and Parasari are not to be used alone. My tradition of SJC has taught that both are to be used together to get perfect results. I get the best results out of this. All what Jaimini said was in continuation to Parasara not anything against Parasara.


Dear Shilpa,
Where it is written that Parasari and Jaimini are to be used seperately? My Guru and my tradition uses it together. Regards
There are two diffrent systems...with a lot of commonality ( because it's vedic astrology after all).
In the absence of written rules by an authority on how to mix them...they must be kept independent.

For example I see you were using Jaimini Karaks and lagnas...but Vimsottari Dasa.
VD does not exist in Jaimini system.

To be able to use a mix-n-match of both systems one has to demonstrate:

1) that he can dervie a correct answer first using the Jaimini system ( including Jaimini dasas) indpendently
2) That he can derive the same interpretation using Parashari system independently
3) that he has a process to mix-n-match the two systems logically, consistently and derive the same answers as in 1) and 2)

and after he has shown 1) to 3) on a number of varied charts.....can we assuredly rely on his mixed interpretations.
there are some lines/ rules between systems that cannnot be crossed...others that may be blended.

Often times I have seen people jump INCONSISTENTLY between one and the other crossing lines that should not be....and using the hotch-potch of 2 systems to cook an answer of convenience.

I am happy to know your guru and tradition have allowed you to use a mix on both.

If time permits and when you post case studies showing the 3 step process and convergence between two systems...I would feel privelged to learn what I have not seen too many people do successfully.

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Good day all ,

Have been going through this thread for some time now . I was the first one to analyse this horo based on Cancer lagna . Not that there is a 2nd school of thought on the lagna itself , I want to ask the people who endorse Gemini as the lagna, what should the Navamsha Lagna be ?? The D1 lagna has moved to cancer 19 minutes earlier . Suppose we move the clock back 19 minutes , we get a Vargothama Lagna . But the Navamsha lagna could shift to cancer within 12 seconds . What Navamsha lagna do you think should be used to explain the status of Marriage ?

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I want to ask the people who endorse Gemini as the lagna, what should the Navamsha Lagna be ?? The
Deepakji, Gemeni. So vargottama lagna. Events of her life can be explained by applying the Shatabdika Dasha. Married on 1-12-1992, Moon- Mars - Jupiter. Moon is in the 7H along with Mars in D-1 and Jupiter is the 7L. It would have happened all of a sudden.In navmansha Mars the anter dasha lord is again aspecting the 7H and Jupiter is the 7L. Moon is in the 5H with Rahu. Mars is also the 7L from the Moon in D-9. TWINS on 2-2-1994, in Moon - Saturn -Jupiter,Moon is in the 5H of D-9 and with 9L of D-7, and in D-1 is in the NK of Venus the 5L,Saturn is in the sign exchange with Venus, the 5L, and Saturn is also aspecting the 9H and 5L, Venus,Jupiter is the Karka for progeny, aspecting the 5L Venus in D-9 and 5H in D-7. Death of daughter, Venus the 5L is in the NK of Mars the 6L and 11L[ 6th from 6th],Mars is in the 7H[ Marak] and in the 5H in D-7. Dasha on June -1999 was Venus- Mars- Saturn, Saturn and Mars both were troubling the 5L, from 12H and 7H and Mars is also with the 2L, Moon.In D-7, Saturn is again with Venus and Mars is in the 5H as 5L and 12L. In D-7 the Dasha is of 2-12.[ Marak]. In January 2000, again the dasha was Venus-Mars-Venus. I hope you are convinced now, if not then its O.K. regards
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I look forward to your smaple charts and am hoping that you are not attributing the disasters to the YK.
Even without looking at the charts I can say that disasters may have happened INSPITE of the YK and not because of it.
YK is like a shield but not unpenetrable......however it can never turn into a self-wound inflicting dagger
Dear Shilpa ji,
Namaste,
First have a look on the chart and give your view on it. After that, i will explain it to you how it happened only and only because of YK. But i will request you to be open to accept it. Also i will use Jaimini and Parasari together. Also do remember, Jaimini was student of Parasara and he continued his teachings from where Parasara stopped. Vimsottari is universal dasa and can be used anytime. And Parasara also mentioned the use of all the chara karakas. Read BPHS.
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rajat.kapoor5 wrote:
I look forward to your smaple charts and am hoping that you are not attributing the disasters to the YK.
Even without looking at the charts I can say that disasters may have happened INSPITE of the YK and not because of it.
YK is like a shield but not unpenetrable......however it can never turn into a self-wound inflicting dagger
Dear Shilpa ji,
Namaste,
First have a look on the chart and give your view on it. After that, i will explain it to you how it happened only and only because of YK. But i will request you to be open to accept it. Also i will use Jaimini and Parasari together.


OK, please share some life events timeline so that I can read the chart properly. I will try to look at it tonight.
I would request you to show that an answer can be derived using one system ( for example Parshari standlone) and then the answer can be replicated by mixing the two-systems


Also do remember, Jaimini was student of Parasara and he continued his teachings from where Parasara stopped.

Vimsottari is universal dasa and can be used anytime. And Parasara also mentioned the use of all the chara karakas. Read BPHS.

I would say Jaimini is a DIFFRENT sytem evolved using many of Prashari pricniples and NOT an extension of Prasahri system.

The contrains are NOT imposed in the BPHS.
The constrains are imposed by Jaimini Maharsishi.......for example quite explicity on using the 4 Jaimini Dasas.
When Jaimini gave explicitly 4 dasas and left out VD...then that means VD is out from his system.

However as stated earlier that doesn't mean that modern day researchers cannot merge the two systems...they can, if they demonstrated the 3 step process I listed above



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Deepakji, Gemeni. So vargottama lagna. Events of her life can be explained by applying the Shatabdika Dasha. Married on 1-12-1992, Moon- Mars - Jupiter. Moon is in the 7H along with Mars in D-1 and Jupiter is the 7L. It would have happened all of a sudden.In navmansha Mars the anter dasha lord is again aspecting the 7H and Jupiter is the 7L. Moon is in the 5H with Rahu. Mars is also the 7L from the Moon in D-9. TWINS on 2-2-1994, in Moon - Saturn -Jupiter,Moon is in the 5H of D-9 and with 9L of D-7, and in D-1 is in the NK of Venus the 5L,Saturn is in the sign exchange with Venus, the 5L, and Saturn is also aspecting the 9H and 5L, Venus,Jupiter is the Karka for progeny, aspecting the 5L Venus in D-9 and 5H in D-7. Death of daughter, Venus the 5L is in the NK of Mars the 6L and 11L[ 6th from 6th],Mars is in the 7H[ Marak] and in the 5H in D-7. Dasha on June -1999 was Venus- Mars- Saturn, Saturn and Mars both were troubling the 5L, from 12H and 7H and Mars is also with the 2L, Moon.In D-7, Saturn is again with Venus and Mars is in the 5H as 5L and 12L. In D-7 the Dasha is of 2-12.[ Marak]. In January 2000, again the dasha was Venus-Mars-Venus. I hope you are convinced now, if not then its O.K. regards
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Now transit of Jupiter and Saturn in December 1992, Saturn was on the 7L[Capricorn] and Jupiter was aspecting the 7L from Virgo. In Feb. 1994, Saturn was in Aquarius activating the 5L Venus and Jupiter was aspecting it from Libra.
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Astro 1818 i feel like giving you a "jadu ki Juppi" for your golden remarks !!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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by astro1818 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:48 pm

Mr Astrosonu, and the rest of you astrological enthusiasts, high time I posted this .
I have seen enough of this constipation.
You people don’t know who you are playing around with . you think you are all about astrology but they are all about money Rajat and Rishi Rahul are total commercial astrologers . They raped every single forum on the internet and have now found out this forum to rape . all this drama of posting horoscopes for study is all cr@p . dont fall for all this drama . You do not know how much money they charge to analyze a horoscope. It is your monthly home expenditure. Do not fall for all these monkeys dramas . Astrology in their hands is like allowing a babbon to fly a spaceship . Total misuse of knowledge by these jokers . They only know how to extract money
and what about people who pay them . they are bigger idiots . i have nothing else to say. here is a platform to ask questions ... what do people do ? they want to pay . they think people who give advice for free are idiots
who is the idiot actually ?? it is you people . let me list out a few
astrosonu
swamy cool
ramanan
shilpa
astro123
map
anurada
cant think of the others .

a man who was used to going to women who deliver pleasure for money got married . after he made love to his wife out of sheer habit he reached out to pay his own wife. such are the people on this forum. they do not feel happy till they get pay and get F%$ked . you think you are doing a great service but people dont want things for free they want to pay and get raped


on the other end we have people who are mentally handicap .
sita
basab
rose eem
jupiter light shining on the other end
and the biggest karaka of them all dinesh
ah and the queen in drag ...........bas ub

this is why this site is doomed
sanjay 1265k is the best . he understands this forum well . rest of you . you are all idiots .
god save you all

actually may god curse you for playing the fool with the planets. damn you all


Thank you for a good insight . good to know these things happen on the forum .
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astro1818 wrote:on the other end we have people who are mentally handicap .
sita
basab
rose eem
jupiter light shining on the other end
and the biggest karaka of them all dinesh
ah and the queen in drag ...........bas ub
Astro1818,

I will make a complaint about your post to the moderator, right away. You are not supposed to insult anyone, and you have done that.
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by astro1818 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:48 pm

Mr Astrosonu, and the rest of you astrological enthusiasts, high time I posted this .
I have seen enough of this constipation.
You people don’t know who you are playing around with . you think you are all about astrology but they are all about money Rajat and Rishi Rahul are total commercial astrologers . They raped every single forum on the internet and have now found out this forum to rape . all this drama of posting horoscopes for study is all cr@p . dont fall for all this drama . You do not know how much money they charge to analyze a horoscope. It is your monthly home expenditure. Do not fall for all these monkeys dramas . Astrology in their hands is like allowing a babbon to fly a spaceship . Total misuse of knowledge by these jokers . They only know how to extract money
and what about people who pay them . they are bigger idiots . i have nothing else to say. here is a platform to ask questions ... what do people do ? they want to pay . they think people who give advice for free are idiots
who is the idiot actually ?? it is you people . let me list out a few
astrosonu
swamy cool
ramanan
shilpa
astro123
map
anurada
cant think of the others .

a man who was used to going to women who deliver pleasure for money got married . after he made love to his wife out of sheer habit he reached out to pay his own wife. such are the people on this forum. they do not feel happy till they get pay and get F%$ked . you think you are doing a great service but people dont want things for free they want to pay and get raped


on the other end we have people who are mentally handicap .
sita
basab
rose eem
jupiter light shining on the other end
and the biggest karaka of them all dinesh
ah and the queen in drag ...........bas ub

this is why this site is doomed
sanjay 1265k is the best . he understands this forum well . rest of you . you are all idiots .
god save you all

actually may god curse you for playing the fool with the planets. damn you all
Astro1818:

Thanks for the insight. We come here in our vulnerability and as you rightly pointed out...some people can misuse our weekness.

I am hoping that this will enlighten a lot of other querists like me on the forum who otherwise, will fall for any trap..just to bail themselves out of the #$^@ they are in.

Thanks a bunch!!
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Hey Basab
Glad you have written that with many laughs.
Thats the right attitude......Take it with a smile.
After all....... who is astro 1818 ?.... :roll: Who is John Galt ? :mrgreen:

BTW I feel left out coz my name did not feature anywhere.... :(
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oops guess i spoke too soon....Basab take it easy... :)
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Hi Abhijit,

I removed the laughs because I thought, I was being a hypocrite. :mrgreen: I have made a complain with the moderator because this one small spark can burn down the whole forum.

I don't know who is astro1818, and I really don't bother about that, too. See, I was okay that he called me mentally handicap, but when I saw that he had got confused about my gender, calling me 'queen in drag', it was just too much. :mrgreen:

Anyway, don't worry, I have taken it lightly, as in, I am not going to brood all day about it, but did what I thought was necessary: make a complain. I did it because this is how it starts. If you let one person escape the punishment, more will indulge in the same kind of nonsense.

Well, your name didn't get featured because lately you have not been active on this forum, otherwise, no one could have stopped you from topping the list. :)

By the way, who is John Galt? :mrgreen:
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they think people who give advice for free are idiots
who is the idiot actually ?? it is you people . let me list out a few
astrosonu
swamy cool
ramanan
shilpa
astro123
map
anurada
cant think of the others .
Thanks a lot for your kind words.
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If we doubt Rajat and Rishi...then we should doubt anyone who posts data / charts for study here.

Unless there is some evidence to show that Rajat / Rishi will take the free-analysis offered by many and sell it commercially.

and until Rajat/ Rishi's proposed agenda can be substantiated by the accusers...they are like all of us.

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astro1818 wrote: You people don’t know who you are playing around with . you think you are all about astrology but they are all about money Rajat and Rishi Rahul are total commercial astrologers . They raped every single forum on the internet and have now found out this forum to rape . all this drama of posting horoscopes for study is all cr@p . dont fall for all this drama . You do not know how much money they charge to analyze a horoscope. It is your monthly home expenditure. Do not fall for all these monkeys dramas . Astrology in their hands is like allowing a babbon to fly a spaceship . Total misuse of knowledge by these jokers . They only know how to extract money
and what about people who pay them . they are bigger idiots . i have nothing else to say. here is a platform to ask questions ... what do people do ? they want to pay . they think people who give advice for free are
Astro1818, you are absolutely right!

I am one of the idiots who sought out Rajat from this forum for a *paid* consultation.

Firstly, let me mention why I decided to go for a paid consultation when there are free analyses available on this forum. All the idiots you mention who give out free advices DON'T give any! Either it's a "hot topic" where everyone is posting, or you hunt them down via PM/email and pester them else it goes unnoticed and unanswered. About a month back I posted a few queries and I had to request a lot of people on the forum to respond, some did some didn't!

Now once again, I posted two queries a few hours back and they will go unanswered if I don't request the astrologers to have a look.

So instead of requesting people every time to look I sought out Rajat Kapoor. A saga that has gone on for over 3 weeks now of several emails, my mother spoke to him over the phone about her abhichara dosha and he kept saying yes I'll respond in a few hours, after a few days seeing her break down slowly in front of me I transfered the money expecting analysis for my family, a so called consultation with a few lines of text which would be 5-10% of an expected indepth consultation. Thankfully I'd paid by PayPal and he didn't even bother responding to the dispute whereas I can see him posting away on "analysis cases" on this forum. But guess what, even God didn't want him to get the money as the money transfer didn't happen somehow. Got saved by my guardian angel!

I've been a silent observer and learner on the forum for the past few weeks and although there are some very knowledgeable people on the forum(mainly a person I got the chance to speak with over the phone yesterday, you know who you are, I won't mention your ID else this thread might go into another tangent) but a lot of people are just bothered about their ego and bickering, lack of knowledge will be present but they will project themselves as appearing larger than they are.

The reason most people post in the readings forum is because we are going through a tough time and want answers and solutions. We want that ray of light and hope. I really feel with the current forum members and their attitudes it is better to close down the "Readings" section and just focus on the "Student" section. Most of the learned astrologers active here seem to avoid the "Readings" section anyway.

Just sharing my experience and insights!
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by soulsearch » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:54 pm
I am one of the idiots who sought out Rajat from this forum for a *paid* consultation.

Firstly, let me mention why I decided to go for a paid consultation when there are free analyses available on this forum. All the idiots you mention who give out free advices DON'T give any! Either it's a "hot topic" where everyone is posting, or you hunt them down via PM/email and pester them else it goes unnoticed and unanswered. About a month back I posted a few queries and I had to request a lot of people on the forum to respond, some did some didn't!

Now once again, I posted two queries a few hours back and they will go unanswered if I don't request the astrologers to have a look.

So instead of requesting people every time to look I sought out Rajat Kapoor. A saga that has gone on for over 3 weeks now of several emails, my mother spoke to him over the phone about her abhichara dosha and he kept saying yes I'll respond in a few hours, after a few days seeing her break down slowly in front of me I transfered the money expecting analysis for my family, a so called consultation with a few lines of text which would be 5-10% of an expected indepth consultation. Thankfully I'd paid by PayPal and he didn't even bother responding to the dispute whereas I can see him posting away on "analysis cases" on this forum. But guess what, even God didn't want him to get the money as the money transfer didn't happen somehow. Got saved by my guardian angel!

I've been a silent observer and learner on the forum for the past few weeks and although there are some very knowledgeable people on the forum(mainly a person I got the chance to speak with over the phone yesterday, you know who you are, I won't mention your ID else this thread might go into another tangent) but a lot of people are just bothered about their ego and bickering, lack of knowledge will be present but they will project themselves as appearing larger than they are.

The reason most people post in the readings forum is because we are going through a tough time and want answers and solutions. We want that ray of light and hope. I really feel with the current forum members and their attitudes it is better to close down the "Readings" section and just focus on the "Student" section. Most of the learned astrologers active here seem to avoid the "Readings" section anyway.

Just sharing my experience and insights

Soul search ,

I joined this forum exactly a year and a month ago . Never did I think that I would be witness to such drama . I used to reply to almost every query . But with the fake ID's , fake Birth details , and constant game of trying to be one up .......... frankly I grew tired .

nobody knows what it is to be paraniod . Lot of people asked me why I stopped replying to queries . There is a good reason why I took off the PM and E mail icon on this forum . I did not want any back handed comments comming my way .

Some people from this forum visited me last year . They met Srinivas Rao ji , found him to be competant and invited him to join this forum . I also forced him to do the same . I had a ulterior motive in this . I would get all his texts converted to english and also learn side by side along with this entire forum . Sadly , a group decided to get him out and created a ruckus on his thread . what was the result . We all lost him . I still meet him of and on and gain knowledge from him . So I care a Rats rose for the rest. But the point is that serious learners lost some good insights . This forum is warped actually . The guilty go scot free , the victims are crucified .

Its really frustrating . You want to actually reach out and reply to somebody who you think needs help , but you never know what is in store after that . This paranoia has kept me away from reading new posts .
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
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So convinced with Gemini navmansha. regards
A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
Abhijit Muhurta !!!
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Then there are a few querists like these..... :roll: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Please advice about my father's health. Recently, he started having breathing problem and high
blood pressure. Yesterday he had a narrow escape from fire, although his hairs were burned.
I don't have my father's birth details, thereby posting my brother's details. Please advice
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So why am I here ? Let me tell you why ?

Anuradha Ji and me went on for 28 pages on the mass accidents thread . I got one gem of a clue from her . In the 28 pages there was one gem , worth the effort . That book is the best I ever came across on Muhurta .

I said a few days back , This forum is no more a place to learn ..... Its just a place to exchange Ideas with a few . Thats it . Nothing more to it . I have just learned to ignore the garbage and stick to a few serious people who actually love astrology . The beauty is that this forum gave me some really good friends . People who have a good heart and have a burning desire to learn astrology . I would have stopped being serious about astrology a long way back and started playing the fool here like some are . It was Anuradha ji , who after I having fought with her like a street fighter , told me , "promise me you will be a serious learner of astrology" . I made a promise to her ........... I intend to keep it that way. Of late I have been instigated time and again if not directly, indirectly . I have just keep my cool, thanks to Sonu ji and Milred . Ramanan Ji gave me some insights which are gems that could never have been got anywhere in the world. I Interacted with Chaks, one of the few people with a through knowledge of astrology , but is too modest that he does not use it . I met and interacted with a lot of other forum members and all we spoke about was astrology . This is what this forum is about and this is why I am here .
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
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