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bhai if A10 in 12th was conjunct a benefic it was a different thing. Sat Retro malefic exalted is the issue.
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Dear swamykool

The name of the maharishi is KRITU and not KRATU for Punarvasu, chitra, uttarashada and revati.

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Ah, Thanks
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Thanks Ramanan ji. :)
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All other factors being equal - PURVA ASHADA

Purva Ashadha people have exemplary intelligence. This intelligence has to be used carefully. If not it can only lead to chaos for themselves and for others .

There is a marked tendency to jump to conclusions on matters that he deals with. Nobody can defeat him in an argument, (however wrong he is). He has extraordinary convincing power (Like Hitler) he will not under any circumstance subdue to others whether he is right or wrong. On one side you can have a lot of advice from him, but you can never render any advice to him.

While he expresses that he is courageous and that he will do things on his own accord, he cannot reach that state unless he is forced either by circumstances or by other persons who challenge him to show the requisite courage (Like Hitler). Once he is aroused by instigation or argument he takes a decision without thinking of the merits and demerits of such actions and he will stick to that decision to the end, right or wrong. Such is the obstinate character of the native.

He thinks he is doing the best for the others and does a lot of things for them ( Right or wrong ) but gets nothing in return , in the end, he will be subjected to a lot of criticism from the very same people who he thinks he has done a favor to (like Hitler). The best part is that he derives maximum benefit from unknown persons who later on take advantage of him (Just like Hitler was taken advantage of). The beauty is that he can never keep any permanent relationship with anybody.

Purva Ashadha people always imagine themselves to be above others, yet are often degraded as unrefined and under developed, not open to advice, often end up with hard working and low paying jobs, and always have bouts of loud and raucous behavior.

The shadow side of Purva Ashadha is hubris (Hubris also hybris, means extreme haughtiness, pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.) and an egoistic nature. these natives can exhibit an over expansive nature and do what they like without considering others opinions ( like Hitler who lost the war because he did not care to listen to his generals ) They are good debaters and can defeat any one in an argument they can become obstinate and will not submit to the demands of any one . Mental aggression and self-deception is present.

Purva ashada’s alternate symbol is the elephant’s tusk. It is interesting that at the time I was writing this I got news that two elephants had entered the city of Mysore in the Morning and created havoc, killing a man and a cow that was tethered to a sign post. I rushed to watch the TV footage where they covered the gory massacre live. The elephant used its tusk to gore both the Man and the cow. An expert on elephants made a statement “This elephant was on a rampage and by its aggressions was declaring war on man. “ Purva Ashadha is just that. “This Nakshatra is associated with the declarations of war and other aggressions. The Nimitta was good . The Nakshatras had smiled on me, Giving me a good example no doubt, but in line with this thread, in an absolutely gory manner.

The other symbol is a fan. Fanning is actually an act of showing aggression against heat. One point with this Nakshatra is that it tends to produce strong desires to improve one’s circumstances. When badly afflicted this often occurs in self-indulgent ways.
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PURVA ASHADHA

The one characteristic which sets Purva Ashadha apart from all other Nakshatras is its intense conviction that "It can’t lose". Purva Ashadha feels and thinks that it has the ability to come on top in whatever it directs its energies this strong notion of invincibility is misplaced as we can see with Hitler’s like. He not only lost the war, but the heights of humiliation were that he had to end up killing himself in order to become fodder for the Russians. He was forced to swallow all his pride, invincibility and ego in a capsule in his mouth and a bullet in his head.

It is one of the most optimistic nakshatras no doubt, but when afflicted, this optimism is more often than not misplaced. Not only that, this optimism has a tinge of impatience. This is the root cause for the beginning of the individuals down fall. This Nakshatra individual is completely undaunted by setbacks and does not ponder over its failure. This trait might look good on the surface, but in reality it’s negative in the sense that it hardly ever learns from its mistakes.

Many a times one finds that the individual has unrealistic hopes, ambitions and goals .Hitler is a classic example of this. He bit more than he could chew. He started a war with unrealistic aims, way beyond the power of his army and the nation’s resources. This “Just do it ” attitude and “I will not accept that it cannot be done” attitude, eventually leads to the man’s down fall.

The individual does not take into account the feelings and concerns of people around them they are insensitive and even cruel in situations where they don’t get what they want. When they realize that they are not getting their way, they declare war or indulge in similar type aggressions which ultimately bring about destruction followed by sorrow and regret.

Purva Ashadha are born natural show offs. Their demeanor can change from jovial to serious in the twinkling of an eye.

One can’t always tell their inner thoughts from their outward appearances. They always like to keep a part of themselves secret.

It is an Ugra Nakshatra It is this Nakshatras Naïveté of acting without a care for consequences or repercussions which make it a dangerous Nakshatra. It is a volatile Nakshatra which is hard to control once it is on fire. It presses on with its severe actions even after it has realized the futility of them. This Nakshatra is unfavorable for activities requiring tact and diplomacy.
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Purva Ashadha is my favorite wipping boy's Adolf Hitler's Nakshatra. If I have studied a man , It's Hitler . I must admit I have a strange fascination for the man right from the time I was 10 . I was always intrigued, wondering what made him tick . Its only after I indulged in astrology that I realised that the planets shaped him into the man that he was . So Ladies and gentlemen, without much further adieu .......... , I present before you, The Fuhrer himself,

Hitler, Adolf
Birthname Schicklgruber, Adolf
born on 20 April 1889 at 18:30 (= 6:30 PM )
Place Braunau, Austria, 48n15, 13e02
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Some words of wisdom from the man himself . All in tune with Purva Ashada
Any alliance whose purpose is not the intention to wage war is senseless and useless.
Demoralize the enemy from within by surprise, terror, sabotage, assassination. This is the war of the future.
Great liars are also great magicians.
Hate is more lasting than dislike
I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.
It is not truth that matters, but victory.
Strength lies not in defence but in attack.
Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.
Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise
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So why did Purva Ashadha get so corrupted ? The Nakshatra lord Shukra while being the lagna lord, is also the 8th lord . Shukra is with his worst enemy the sun . For this lagna , Shukra and Ravi become bitter enemies .

Chandra himself is afflicted because he is with Ketu and with the 3rd and 6th lord Guru who is a utter malefic and a dead enemy for this lagna . Chandra is now caught between a natural malefic and a functional Malefic . Chandra is helpless and succumbs to the natural malefic traits of the Nakshatra . Ketu being in the same Nakshatra amplifies the malefic side of the nakshatra . the result is there for all to see . But why did it become malefic to such an extent ? It is because chandra fell in the 3rd house . The 3rd house represents the lower mind, and the pivot of the upachaya houses . all base desires emerge from here . Poorva ashadha fueled his aggression and a desire to wage war . Another reason is that Shukra is in a planetary war with Kuja . Kuja wins the war and makes shukra submit to his whims and fancies .


The shadow side of Purva Ashadha is hubris (Hubris also hybris, means extreme haughtiness, pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power
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All this came true to the hilt in Hitlers case . This is the core reason for losing the war , and with it , his life .
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Sehr gut post Deepakji.

Astroboyji - the discussion of that entire period of german history will never be complete w/o understanding of Nietzche and Wanger. "War is a purification - the cleansing of weaker races by the stronger ones" for example is a strong underpinning of that entire thought architecture. Is it possible to get hold of Nietzche' chart?
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PS: This should be in the other thread - nakshatras ? ! This thread is for discussions, like we've been having on Mr. Boni scot !
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Nietzsche, Friedrich Wilhelm
born on 15 October 1844 at 10:00 (= 10:00 AM )
Place Rocken, Germany, 51n15, 12e08
Timezone LMT m12e08 (is local mean time)

Data source Bio/autobiography Rodden Rating B


Birth Time might not be accurate
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Arun ji , I am waiting for Scarlet to move her post . Once she does I will post it there .

Nietzsche, Friedrich Wilhelm - I get Moon in Jeyshtha . Rahu is 3 and odd degrees away . What can you expect ??
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Talking of Boni scot , Sonu ji , Swamy cool Ji and Arun Ji ,


What is your opinion on a exalted malefic who is retrograde . One school of thought insists that Shani give debilitated results, and this is why he is in the state that he is financially . What is your opinion ??
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astroboy wrote:

Nietzsche, Friedrich Wilhelm - I get Moon in Jeyshtha . Rahu is 3 and odd degrees away . What can you expect ??
lagna in nakshatra of saturn
Moon in nakshatra of 8th lord Mercury
Mercury in nakshatra of moon, paired with mars, lagnadipathy
rahu in nakshatra of saturn, with Moon, in lagna
Ketu aspecting Lagna, moon, rahu from 7th, in Shani nakshatra
Jupiter in Pisces [ retro] aspecting Mercury, mars and lagna in nakshatra of Saturn

Strong saturn influence on the mind intelligence - moon and mercury- intense, concentration -
the works of Nietzche is quite of the dark and powerful kind.

If I didn't know this was Nietzche, I'd have easily (mis) read this to be that of a manic-depressive person. Which perhaps he was - but his works are that of a genius. The effect of Jupiter, maybe.

Without Jupiter, he'd have been a lunatic?
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astroboy wrote:Talking of Boni scot , Sonu ji , Swamy cool Ji and Arun Ji ,


What is your opinion on a exalted malefic who is retrograde . One school of thought insists that Shani give debilitated results, and this is why he is in the state that he is financially . What is your opinion ??
Sirji - BPHS says Vakri gives max effect, followed by anuvakr [ prev rasi entry], vikal , mand etc....

Malefic, exalted AND vakri. Cant get better.
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Astroboy,
What is your opinion on a exalted malefic who is retrograde . One school of thought insists that Shani give debilitated results, and this is why he is in the state that he is financially . What is your opinion ??
Don't have a concrete opinion yet. But one thing is sure, retrograde malefics become more malefic. I am in a dilemma regarding the exaltation and debilitation. The dictums don't always work out correctly.

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I don't know whether I able to add some value to the discussion about retrograde planets. I too have Saturn retro and exalted. So , about this Ramanan Sir quoted me....

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The retrogression of saturn signifies that it has not imparted a particular lesson to you in the past and is hell bent on doing it this time.

Hope this is helpful. :D
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:) More than helpful Pari ji . Thank you .
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Hello Astroboy ji,

My friend has Saturn( Retrograde) and Moon in Purvashada Nakshatra... Sa(R) --1st paada, Moon-- 3rd paada..( In the 8th house)

The points that you've given are spot on..

"Their demeanor can change from jovial to serious in the twinkling of an eye." -And Vice versa.

"One can’t always tell their inner thoughts from their outward appearances. They always like to keep a part of themselves secret."

My observation,

They are very Sarcastic and diplomatic..
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Nice write up Nina ji. But dont you think he had this Jeykll and Hyde character that he played to the hilt ?

look at this quote
"Guilt doesn't solve anything, really," he said in 1981. "It hurts you...I guess I am in the enviable position of not having to deal with guilt. There's just no reason for it."
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Good day mystic river,

Shani and Chandra together in the 8th house would mean lagna is Vrishabha . Shani + chandra is a problem anywhere it is placed . To have it in the 8th house , moon being the 3rd is a problem personified .

Thank you for your input

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Well, it doesn't stop here...

Ma(Aslesha 3rd), Su(punarvasu 4th), Me(Punarvasu 4th), Ve(Aslesha 4th) ---Alll in 3rd house, :((

Ke in 4th house,(Magha- 2nd)

Ju- in 2nd house..(Mrighasira 4th )

Ra - 10th house.(Dhanistha 4th)

And is currently running Moon mahardhasha, which will end in late 2013..

Any important points to note?
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Mystic river , can you post the entire details if you dont mind . You can deleate it later if its sensitive
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Good day Sonu ji and Swamy cool ji ,

I was reading "Jatakalankara" translated by Dr K.S. Charak . I refer to Chapter 2 Shloka 11 ( page 36 ) of the book .

He says, "one is bereft of all learning, if the lord of the 5th house , alone, or in a combination with Budha and Guru occupies a Trika House. If the 5th lord is in Bala Avastha or Vriddha Avastha, then the native will have poor intelligence."

This shloka can be applied to Bonni Scots case. Guru the lagna lord is in Bala Avastha , and so is Kuja . the 5th lord occupies the 12th and so does Guru who is in the 6th . This would explain his lack of education .
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