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Astroboy,

By Parashar's beard and kamandal, :mrgreen: I never saw the step mother connection. :shock: How can this be deduced from this chart? And when you meet him pl don't say all the things we have said. Tell him he'll have a moderate life if he keeps his money with the govt. and lives on interest. You have a penchant for too much plainspeak - so a timely warning. And what Sonu has said about his getting a flat, may it come true.

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Part 1
As far as papakarthari goes the definition is that the lagna / or Graha should be between two Malefic planets . Here lagna has Kuja on one side and Rahu on the other in the same rashi . It actually makes PK worse . Rahu is at 27 Deg comming towards Lagna and then Kuja . Kuja is at 25 Deg moving towards lagna and then Rahu . If that is not P.K. then what is ?
I have to ask you this. What if there was another malefic in 2nd with Dhanu lagna. ? Papakartari has to have two malefic on either sides. Where is the malefic on the other side ? You are talking about a malefic in lagna, not on the 2nd house. That does not make papakartari. It just makes a malefic lagna with left hand dipped in mud and right hand clear...

Have a look at Scorpio. That is classic papakartari.

There is another angle to this. Malefics in their own houses do not produce complete evil. Not if they are aspected by Jupiter. So, papakartari in anyway gets cancelled. For malefics to be around lagna, they should not have a protective factor. In dhanu lagna Jup protects lagna by aspecting 2 and 12. How do you expect papakartari to prevail in such a case ?
But what of Vrichika lagna ? How do you explain the ^&*^ up ? 2nd lord in the 12th should have given him money to spend.


Sir already explained. Where is A2 ? It is also in 12th house of loss. So, where is the question of getting money ? With Dhanu lagna A2 is in a trine in 5th. He should be loaded with money. Any lord in 12th gives loss to that significator. The Loss maybe by not existing OR by existing and spending. It's not just the latter. For latter to exist A2, A11 etc have to be strong. For money to spend he should have it first. With Dhanu lagna he has all that. With scorpio he just doesnt HAVE it in the first place.

...Contd..
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Part 2
What about the two Dharma Karmadpathi yogas ? 1 Parivarthana yoga ? what about the aspect of Guru the 2nd and 5th lord on the lagna from the 7th , 7th lord being exalted . 9th lord in the 10th is a 1st class yoga to have . See the aspect of the 9th lord on the 11th house . see the 11th lords aspect on the 10th . Amazing and equally convincing like Dhanu lagna . But either ways . He will still be drinking Bonni scot today . :) . That is why I am so latched on to the Dhanu lagna . I feel the Yogas from Dhanu lagna are weaker than Vrichika lagna .
Sir this i already explained. Let me go again point by point.

1. Sun and Moon are 9th and 10th lords. They are 6-8 to each other. Where is DK Yoga ?

2. Guru aspects lagna NOT 2nd house of wealth. 2nd house of wealth is screwed up. There is no accumulation. So, when it aspects lagna, it gives robust constitution. When it aspects 11th it gives friends like you have been narrating. aspecting 3rd makes him a good communicator. Why do you expect Guru to aspect lagna and give him WEALTH, when 2nd house is occupied by Rahu and 11th lord is aspected by badhaka, which connects with Rahu by aspect ?

Badhakas association with Rahu is extremely diabolical. Much propitiation needs in such cases. In such cases, one needs to see the following:

a. Is badhaka aspected by Jupiter ?
b. Is badhakasthana aspected by Jupiter ?
c. Is Rahu aspected by Jupiter ?
d. Is 2nd house of accumulated wealth aspected by Jupiter ?

When the answer to all these is NO .. how to expect wealth here ? Moon is clearly the badhaka here, that is delaying his pursuit of money. So, his mother(Karaka) OR Father(9th lord) is aspecting the 11th lord of gains and denying him the fruit of inheritence which is also the 8th lord (Mercury).

Jup as 2 and 5 lord is in 7th, not in 5,9, 2 or 11. IT only aspects 11th house. But what is the use when Jup period starts 2020. In between ADs will only give him gains to the extent a,b,c,d and other points above do not restrict.

Now take Dhanu lagna. 11th house and dispositor both are exalted. The dispositor is in a kendra with strength. Two things will come out of this yoga.

a. He will have much gains via hard work Saturn (which i presume he does not do). He will put those efforts tireless time and again, again and again, owing to the retro feature (Cheshta bala). Now for Don, 3,6,11 is NO TENSION. Are you telling me that Saturn the principal of Justice sat there and told the guy, no i am not in mood today, I wont give you money. ???

b. When Exalted 11th lord gives exalted Friends. The planet will dictate what type. Mars will give fiery, energetic etc and males. Mercury will ilndicate intellectual types, Jupiter will indicate Dharmic types, Venus will indicate mostly females and luxury types. Exalted Venus as 11th lord in kendra gives much association with females, who are friends. The lady friends will just go head over heals for him. Does he have such a life ?

Does this guy have a and b above ?

4. 9th lord aspecting 11th also i already explained. Let me put it again. Badhaka will not deny him any fruits. It will only delay. Who is the source of badhaka ? Mother.. What is karaka for mother ? Moon.. Where is mercury in navamsa ? With Rahu again. Gains delayed. But will it be denied ? NO. Even in navamsa Jup aspects Rahu and Mercury together.

Take in another way, luck(Moon) is aspecting his gains(Mercury) in 4th(property). this is a definite event to happen.

5. Parivartana of Jup and venus. When will it take effect tell me ? Either In Venus or Jup Dashas. Venus dasha he saw when his father was alive. Lived a good life for first 10 years ? Then after May 64, his father expired, in Venus-Moon OR Venus-Sun. Clearly Badhaka AD effects prevailed. All the effects for badhaka I explained above.

..Contd...
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Part 3

Now when does he next get the benefit of this exchange ? JUP Period... When does it start ? 2020... GAME OVER.

Let me ask here. Which is the strongest house in this chart with Scorpio lagna and Why >?

Strongest house is 12th as it is exalted with Retro and dispositor is also Exalted. When the dispositor is also exalted the house effects are in full. So, this chart is ruled by overall FULL EFFECTS OF 12th house. What does 12th house, the house of loss affiliate to ?

a. A2 - Accumulated Wealth
b. A10 - Job related matters
c. A8 - Inhertitence matters & Scandals
d. Sat - 3 and 4 house matters - Property, efforts
e. aspect on 2nd house - Again restriction and loss on accumulated wealth
f. aspect on 9th house - Badhaka connection and loss of fortune and luck, loss of father.

Add to it it is a retro. These are purva punya effects. Some unfinished business of past life. Sat is deb and retro in D60. (This is irrespective of time for quite a long period of lagna changes in d60).

This is as far as i can go. Dhanu lagna to me is a very well protected chart by Jup aspect on 2, 10 and 12. A wealthy chart owing 2 and 11 house lords exaltation. A prosperous education and a good home with luxuries owing Sun+Venus in 4th. Exalted venus, sun, jup aspecting 10th showing a very good job. Clearly nothing is there.

There are also life time effects of exchange of Jup and Venus, which are other than what i have mentioned above. For that please tell us if he is married and has kids. I have not looked into that angle. There could be a denial/delay here as the Same saturn in 12th aspects DK Rahu and both are without protection. But again 7th house is clear.

Navamsa has been totally ignored here. With Dhanu lagna the navamsa is full of promise withi Jup aspecting lagna and trines. Not with scorpio.

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:D He is not interested in my analysis . He is interested in charging me a fee for having given me his birth details . Step mother I am thinking Gandanta to the Karaka of the mother ???
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Or 4th H being a dual rashi and having two planets in it?? And Sonu is really firing up his engines. :D
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:) Sir ji in my limited understanding , Papa means evil or bad . "Kartari" means "scissors" . Is lagna caught between Rahu and Kuja or not is the question.

I am in agreement with you that a PapaKartari when you say that But strict definition,must mean that the 1st house / Lagna must be caught between two malefic planets . ie the malefics must be in the 2nd house and the 12th house .

Here Rahu us in the 1st house , but the ascendent is between Rahu and Kuja . Dont you think we can apply the same results that Papakartari produces to this horoscope ?
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If mr Bonni Scot reads sonu's analysis , he would charge Sonu a entire case :) .


and Sonu Ji . No marriage . No kids .
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astroboy wrote::) Sir ji in my limited understanding , Papa means evil or bad . "Kartari" means "scissors" . Is lagna caught between Rahu and Kuja or not is the question.

I am in agreement with you that a PapaKartari when you say that But strict definition,must mean that the 1st house / Lagna must be caught between two malefic planets . ie the malefics must be in the 2nd house and the 12th house .

Here Rahu us in the 1st house , but the ascendent is between Rahu and Kuja . Dont you think we can apply the same results that Papakartari produces to this horoscope ?
NO sir. Even if you did. There is another catch you need to escape from .. Jup aspects 2 and 12. :)

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You have seen him. What does he look like? On the forum for the rest of us are unable to see him physically - but you have! Mars or rahu on his physical bearing? Face? Hair ? complexion. this should be the clincher.
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4th H being a dual rashi and having two planets in it?
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astroboy wrote:If mr Bonni Scot reads sonu's analysis , he would charge Sonu a entire case :) .


and Sonu Ji . No marriage . No kids .
If i meet him.. it would be two jobless people having wine in the pub :mrgreen: .. we both will charge you then.. :mrgreen:

Oh well.. So saturn effects prevails. Denial as i had anticipated Sat aspecting DK without benefic aspect. 12th house effects prevailed here in marriage too.. Shucks this guy... what did he do in last life ?
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swamykool wrote:4th H being a dual rashi and having two planets in it?
What would that indicate coolantji ?>
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How he looks? Darkish, medium to tall, lean built, scruffy. May have clean cut features and a bit bloodshot eyes (that's easy, from all that Bonny Scot). Correct Deepak?
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Sonu ji,

Two mothers, mom and step mom.
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swamykool wrote:Sonu ji,

Two mothers, mom and step mom.
So by that logic if it moves to scorpio he should have had twins ??
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There is another catch you need to escape from .. Jup aspects 2 and 12.
Yes but he is in the 12th lord's Nakshatra . If it's Scorpio , then he aspects lagna and lagna lord as the 2nd and the 5th lord . + he is friends with the Lagna lord + he is in a exalted planets house aspecting from a Kendra + he is in the Lagna lord's Nakshatra . For Dhanu he is aspecting from a Upachaya / Dusthana house .
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Kool ji , you are correct . He is about 5.5 , dark , lost some teeth in the sides back, eyes blood shot , small paunch other wise lean built, prominet veins on the hands, non muscular , and scruffy off course .
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Sonu ji,

If mausi had a moochh and dadhi she would be mama ji na?? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Lagna doesn't move to scorpio. This is why I am uncomfortable with SS. Pl see if the chart matches with the life.

Deepak have I given the looks correctly?
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I would have taken his pic and posted his mug shot , but the price for that would be that I would have to ask Mili to introduce me to Mallya . He would want the entire factory to pose for a pic . :D
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Thanks. Sonu ji there you are, the perfect looks of Ketu and Mars (Nav Lg). :D
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by astroboy » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:25 pm

Kool ji , you are correct . He is about 5.5 , dark , lost some teeth in the sides back, eyes blood shot , small paunch other wise lean built, prominent veins on the hands, non muscular , and scruffy off course .
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Deepak, greedy guts, that one. :D
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I dont think anyone has taken a pic of him in his life . If I took one he might think I am selling it to Vogue magazine . :D . He would want his price right ?
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