The Nakshatras - Discussion and Inputs for Me

[Nitin21]

Sonu ji,

Very very interesting analysis and you have taken up quite intriguing angles. Congrats. Since I don't know much Jaimini, I'll reserve my comments.

swamykool

You are lucky you don't know jaimini. . Sirji you can follow Parasara general reading and still you can get the angles clear. Jaimini i have used just at few places.

Regards
Sonu

[Nitin21]

Swamycoolji,

Have a look at his D60. 6 planets debiliated .

Regards
Sonu

[swamykool]

Sonu ji,

For a birth recorded in 1954, better stay off D-60. But the Parashari angles you have used with excellent logic.

swamykool.

[Nitin21]

Sonu ji,

For a birth recorded in 1954, better stay off D-60. But the Parashari angles you have used with excellent logic.

swamykool.

Sir that is irrespective of lagna i am saying. The debiliation in most points will not change for quite a considerable amount of time. It is my belief that most people born during that set of duration would face much hardships in life. With the change in angles, only the area of life will differ, but to have 4 deb planets plus two nodes deb in d60 means a period of births, when past life has been a total mess. It is going to be a heavy repayment time.

Regards

[ChandraLagna]

Sonuji

very good analysis!

To close one last loose end, please also describe about Guru - with the new ascendant, Guru now aspects 11th, lagna and 3rd.

[Nitin21]

Arunji,

Whats the use of Guru here ? MD starts 2020. But being in 7th and aspecting lagna and lagna lord gives good physical constitution and a young looking face. Aspecting 3rd it gives good communication skills and teamwork capability. aspecting 11th will give gains during its ADs as MD is far away.

Look at navamsa.. Goes to 6th aspected by Retro Sat+Mars from 12th. Guru is also 22nd drekana from Moon. From lagna it is Sat+Rahu. These three will give diseases in their periods too.

[vhb]

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[Nitin21]

vhbji gk here is gulika

[vhb]

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[Abhisheik]

Sonu Bhai, are there any caveats to your statement that Kemdruma ensures poverty in Daily life? Is it total deprivation or does it mean that even if one has every thing they wont be able to utilise it? I ask as I know two multimillionaires with this yoga, though they do not enjoy wealth very much, one thing or the other keeps them on their toes

[Nitin21]

Sonu Bhai, are there any caveats to your statement that Kemdruma ensures poverty in Daily life? Is it total deprivation or does it mean that even if one has every thing they wont be able to utilise it? I ask as I know two multimillionaires with this yoga, though they do not enjoy wealth very much, one thing or the other keeps them on their toes

Bhai - All angles need to be seen for absolute definite existence of a yoga. When Astroboy says that the guy merely manages two meals by way of her mom and only 38Rs for a quarter, then exalted dhana and labha lord cannot exist. Similarly when we see kemdruma, then 2nd from lagna, moon, sun , AK all have to be seen for absolute existence of a definite yoga. Even if it is half half.. poverty will not exist. The quantity of money and quality of enjoyment obtained will be dependent on how the yoga exists from all the angles.

[swamykool]

Abhishek ji,

Sonu Bhai, are there any caveats to your statement that Kemdruma ensures poverty in Daily life? Is it total deprivation or does it mean that even if one has every thing they wont be able to utilise it? I ask as I know two multimillionaires with this yoga, though they do not enjoy wealth very much, one thing or the other keeps them on their toes

Kemadruma happens only if there is no planet in the 2nd H to the Moon or 12th H to the moon or with the moon (presence of Rahu-Ketu or Sun in these 3 places is not considered an antidote). The moon is totally alone. Thus it is a combination of two arishta yogas - loneliness and poverty. However if there is any planet in a kendra to the moon, this yoga is broken. If not moon then if there are planets in kendra to the lagna will suffice. If that is not there then a even a medium strength Dhana yoga in the chart will counter most of the ill effects. The ill effects will also be considerably reduced if the native is born in any of the Nitya Yogas (Surya Siddhanta yogas, created only by angles between Sun and moon, dasha independent effects, i.e. lifelong) other than Shoola, Ganda, Atiganda, Vyaghata, Parigha or Vaidhriti. So you see so many factors are there to counter Kemadruma yoga.

However, all the bhangas will only counter the poverty part of the Kemadruma. The person with this yoga will always suffer from a sense of loneliness and will feel alone even in a crowd. The bhangas will work very little for this angle, if at all. Depending upon the temperament this may seem like a relief or a crushing burden from person to person. But there is no cancellation, what cannot be cured must be endured.

swamykool

[vhb]

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[swamykool]

Thanks VHB.

[vhb]

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[tv1980]

"People born in Purva Ashadha , Shravana, Satabisha, Ardra, Punarvasu, and Uttara Phalguni should not deal or keep any relationship with Those born in Jyeshtha"

[astroboy]

Good day all,

Very very interesting arguements and counters . First off let me clarify , there is no Kemadruma yoga as per me . 2 reasons . 1 . Budha aspects Chandra and 2. there are Graha's in all the Kendras from Chandra . Thus Kema Druma yoga is ruled out .

Sonu Bhai , you wrote ,

Sirji - Pardon me for jumping in. But there seems to be a missing link. for a guy to miss out on education after 10th, 2nd house has to be afflicted. For being a pauper like that 2nd house, A2 and A11 all have to be afflicted. And Sat exalted in 11th will never allow that. Saturn works best in 3,6,11. Jup aspect on 2nd will not leave his education like that.For his flat to be his but not getting it, there has to be some stopping effect from somehow. Venus exalted in 4th should give him all luxuries. Sun will give him an expansive house.

Agreed . But the lagna is screwed . A simple dictum . Anything between Rahu and Kuja is screwed . The two are like hissing snakes . Kuja is moving to Rahu . Rahu is moving towards Kuja . Lagna is caught right in the middle . Where is he ever going to experience the exalted 11th in the 4th ?

Lagna is afflicted as members have noted. That is correct. But that should give him weak physical composition and not an all round weak life as we have seen. IMO this just does not match eye to eye.

That is not entirely correct . The Karaka for the lagna is Ravi . Ravi is unblemished and is with a exalted 6th and 11th lord . There is no question of him falling sick . Even if he does, the exalted 11th will bain him out for sure .

So I decided to introspect and find that the lagna changes in 3-4 minutes. I went back to Scorpio and things started making sense to me. SSS and Savana year settings.
Lagna Lord in lagna but hemmed between Rahu and Saturn. 2nd house Rahu disrupts education and finances as it is without benefic aspect. A2,A10 with malefic saturn and in 12th mean disrupted finances and work both. Sat is malefic for scorpio lagna and being in 12th aspecting 2nd restricts finances. 11th lord merc is aspected by badhaka from 10th. This situation is needless for either house, work or father. 4th lord is in 12th. These are signs of what you have mentioned as his life. Gains lord in 4th will eventually give him this flat, but mother(moon) is the badhaka. Why is he getting this ? Moon is also 9th lord and aspects 11th house lord merc in 4th, indicating gains from property. Kemdruma ensures poverty in daily life

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Already explained the Papa Kartari yoga from Dhanu ascendent also . If its Scorpio What about the 2nd and 5th lord aspecting lagna and lagna lord from the 7th with the 7th being exalted ? There is a parivarthana yoga between Guru and shukra . What about the two 1st class Dharma Karmadipathi yogas ? No sir . Scorpio does not fit. 2nd in the 12th . He will spend his wealth . Remember, he is exalted . But where is the wealth ?

[milredr]

wever, all the bhangas will only counter the poverty part of the Kemadruma. The person with this yoga will always suffer from a sense of loneliness and will feel alone even in a crowd

Swamykool bang on....brilliant.

[astroboy]

Please note the definition of Abhukta Mula . It is a term used to call a birth when the Moon or lagna falls in the last degree in the constellation of Jyeshtha or the first two degree of Mula. A child born in Abhukta Mula usually struggles for existence and it will do things contrary to the progress of the class in which it is born.

It is said that a child born in the last two degrees of Ashlesha and the first degree of Magha face the same fate. Note that the Moon has also met the same fate as the lagna ( though not as bad as the lagna ).

[ChandraLagna]

Astroboy-ji -

Jupiter holds the key - if Scorpio, then he'd aspect Lagna, and 11th. I missed the point about exchange b/w Jupiter and Venus, but that still would not have denied the native a daughter [ albeit with some difficulty] and wealth, as Jupiter is lord of 2nd. To render Jupiter ineffective, he will need to be posited in 6th.

But there is another point, irrespective of ascendent. In the native's chart, Sree Lagna is aspected by Jupiter, the dhana-karaka. This is nullified is it, due to Lagna? Lagna gone, man gone dictum here, then?

[astroboy]

My dear friend, VarahaMihira says in his Brihat Jataka chapter 1 Sloka 19 - "If the ascendent lord , Guru or Budha occupy the ascendent it becomes powerful . If planets other than these aspect the ascendent it is not rendered strong ."

Look , the one singular quality that a strong ascendent confers on a individual is perseverance combined with motivation to act and grow . When the ascendent is weak one gives up too easily with efforts never really matching the goal one sets for oneself . ( What goal one sets for him self is determined by the 3rd lord and house )( Wants and desires )

In this case the lagna is with Rahu , and in a Gandanta . Where is the question of a strong ascendent . ?? Ascendent gone . Man gone .

[Nitin21]

Bhai pl see below.

But the lagna is screwed . A simple dictum . Anything between Rahu and Kuja is screwed . The two are like hissing snakes . Kuja is moving to Rahu . Rahu is moving towards Kuja . Lagna is caught right in the middle . Where is he ever going to experience the exalted 11th in the 4th ?

Now what has that got to do with 11th house exalted. Anything between Rahu and Kuja is lagna. There are 11 other houses. 11th house is house of desires. Exalted 11th house means desires fulfilled. Where are they fulfilled? And how to explain 2nd and 11th house exalted giving 38 Rs a day wealth just enough for quarter. A2 is in 5th house. A11 in 9th. Jup aspects 2nd house and 10th house.Exalted venus aspects 10th house. Sun aspects 10th house. Why is this guy jobless ? Why on 38 Rs a day ?

2nd house exalted and aspected by Jupiter gave him education only till 10th.?

The counter of lagna is only acceptable to a certain point. It cannot overtake all other strong planets in horoscope. By that virtue people with lagna lord in a trine and dhana and labha lord combust, malefics etc should also always get maximum wealth. Is that really the case ?

That is not entirely correct . The Karaka for the lagna is Ravi . Ravi is unblemished and is with a exalted 6th and 11th lord . There is no question of him falling sick . Even if he does, the exalted 11th will bain him out for sure

If Ravi associates with 6th Lord then Ravi is blemished.

This means the guy has robust constitution which is not possible with Rahu and MArs moving towards each other as you have mentioned above. Add to it, Sat aspects the lagna. If only Sun was the criteria for good health, half of lagna based problems would cease to exist. People would just See Sun as karaka for lagna and produce good composition as prediction. The two have to go hand in hand. Not in isolation.

The fact is that with scorpio ascendent Jup aspecting lagna is giving him good constitution, aspecting self placed mars.

Already explained the Papa Kartari yoga from Dhanu ascendent also . If its Scorpio What about the 2nd and 5th lord aspecting lagna and lagna lord from the 7th with the 7th being exalted ? There is a parivarthana yoga between Guru and shukra . What about the two 1st class Dharma Karmadipathi yogas ? No sir . Scorpio does not fit. 2nd in the 12th . He will spend his wealth . Remember, he is exalted . But where is the wealth ?

Dhanu ascendant has Mars on one side. What about the other side ? Capricorn is empty. So, how to explain paapa kartari here.

And Guru aspecting lagna and lagna lord gives him good health. But being 22nd Drekana will also give him problems in ADs, as MD is far away. Where is DKY sir ? 9th lord is moon and 10th lord is Sun. Both are samasaptaka from each other. Badhakesha in 10th is aspected by Rahu from 2nd.

Good question where is wealth ? With 2 and 11 house exalted, there will always be wealth. With Jup aspecting 2nd he must have great accumulated wealth. Has he ?

Now take the sheen away from 2 and 11 and you know why he is a pauper. Why he left education after 10th ?

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Now let's say for argument sake, we accept what you have mentioned above. And believe that all the good yogas are nullified owing to dosha.

In that case, what part of the planetary combination determines, that the guy will earn just enough for a quarter and not enough for two meals ?

With Sun and Exalted venus in 4th, why not to have a one bhk house of his own be it even in the cheapest area of the city ?

How to determine that the guy will study till 10th only and not be a dropout in college ?

I accept the dosha part. Some doshas are very heavy. They leave a person nowhere. But then these are evident in the horoscope from most angles. Kemadruma I am not an expert, so i will take my words back. You guys decide on that.

Regards
Sonu

[astroboy]

Arun, Shree lagna and Indu lagna are both Lagna and Chandra dependent . Never forget that . They are both derivatives of the lagna and Chandra . What is the point of Indu lagna and Shree lagna when The udaya lagna and Chandra are punctured ? Its like a car with two front wheels flat . How far can the car go ??

[astroboy]

. Bhai , fair enough let us for a minute consider Scorpio . What would be the degree of the lagna ? 7 minutes - and the lagna would still be in Abuktha mula dosha in Jeyshta . Good enough .

As far as papakarthari goes the definition is that the lagna / or Graha should be between two Malefic planets . Here lagna has Kuja on one side and Rahu on the other in the same rashi . It actually makes PK worse . Rahu is at 27 Deg comming towards Lagna and then Kuja . Kuja is at 25 Deg moving towards lagna and then Rahu . If that is not P.K. then what is ?

Now For Dhanu lagna , I agree that 2nd in the 11th , 3rd in the 11th should give immense wealth No doubt about it . 11th lord in the 4th exalted along with the 9th lord should have made him a millionere . yet he drinks Bonni scot wiskey instead of Glen Livet . There is some locha here I cannot explain . one Malavya and one Sasa yoga down the drain . I cannot explain it other than the Abukta Mula dosha combined with Chandra's Gandanta . Let me tell you this . 8th lord in Gandanta in the 9th is not a good situation .

But what of Vrichika lagna ? How do you explain the ^&*^ up ? 2nd lord in the 12th should have given him money to spend. What about the two Dharma Karmadpathi yogas ? 1 Parivarthana yoga ? what about the aspect of Guru the 2nd and 5th lord on the lagna from the 7th , 7th lord being exalted . 9th lord in the 10th is a 1st class yoga to have . See the aspect of the 9th lord on the 11th house . see the 11th lords aspect on the 10th . Amazing and equally convincing like Dhanu lagna . But either ways . He will still be drinking Bonni scot today . . That is why I am so latched on to the Dhanu lagna . I feel the Yogas from Dhanu lagna are weaker than Vrichika lagna .

just playing Devil's advocate Bhai . Please excuze Best regard's

[astroboy]

And this is why I personally do not believe in BTR . . It is a very very very tricky subject . I am no expert at it . The fact that I can explain events either ways makes me a skeptic .