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The following is from BPHS regarding the 7th lord placed in the 5th (from Chapter 24 Sloaka 77) :
77. If Yuvati’s Lord is in Putr Bhava, the native will be honourable, endowed with all (i.e. seven principal) virtues, always delighted and endowed with all kinds of wealth.
What are the seven cardinal virtues? They are as follows :
The Seven cardinal virtues were represented by the seven planets in Dante's Divina Commedia.
Jupiter Justitia Justice
Saturn Temperantia Temperance
Mars Fortitudo Fortitude
Sun Prudentia Prudence
Venus Gnosis Knowledge
Mercury Sophia Wisdom
Moon Understanding
My Rahu ruling Aquarius in Navamsa is placed in the 5th Bhava and hence satisfy the requirement.
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Sir, I wish to understand in case of Cancer Lagna 7L in 7H and 7L in 8H ,is actually in own house in both the cases. So it should give the good results even being in 8H for the 7H significations? Your comments. Regards
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Hi Anuradha
According to Mr. Dinesh Mathur (he is a member of this forum), if 5th, 7th and 11th lord the Graha is in its own sign, it would ONLY give effects only the house where the planet is placed in. So for example in my case Saturn only gives effects of the 7th Bhava and not the 8th Bhava because Saturn is in Capricorn. It is true in my chart. During my Saturn's Mahadasa or Bhukti, I do not feel any Dusthana effects. In fact during the period of Jupiter, although I get trinal effects like easy to get employment but I get Dusthana effects sometimes like Jupiter lord of 6th placed in 8th gives me coughs and phlegms. Sauturn's period usually make me very strong in disposition.
Classics also say that if a Graha rules a Dusthana and a non-Dusthana and if the Graha is placed in the non-Dusthana (now the Yoga is not restricted to only the three Bhavas above), the period of that Graha would only give the effects of the non-Dusthana.
Now your question about what if Saturn is placed in the 8th Bhava. I do not have that so I cannot speak from experience but only in theory. If you follow strictly by BPHS, only natural benefics in 8th Bhava in its own sign gives longevity. But other parts of BPHS did indicate Saturn if strong in the 8th Bhava and in this case your question is Saturn is in its own sign in the 8th Bhava so it must obviously be strong, should also give longevity. In BOTH cases also, the bad attributes of a weak Graha in 8th Bhava does not apply as stated in BPHS like being a thief, be blameworthy and will blame others as well (8th Bhava has to deal with other people's money so if the said Graha is weak all these bad attributes would kick in and especially if the planets are Rahu and Mars but in theory all planets also if they are WEAK - bur Sun even if weak in 8th Bhava would not suffer this affliction, the king has a certain code of honour which is unaffected by the 8th Bhava's influence).
Now for this current case Saturn is also ruler of the 7th Bhava (when a planet is placed in the 8th Bhava it still carry on ruling the other Bhava which is a non-Dusthana). Accroding to BPHS Chapter 24 Sloaka 80 :
""If Yuvati’s Lord is in Randhr Bhava, the native will be deprived of marital happiness. His wife will be troubled by diseases, be devoid of good disposition and will not obey the native.""
I think the logic is that the 2nd Bhava to a Bhava kills the Bhava concern because in this case it is a Dusthana it makes it even more so. Ether lord placed in the other's Bhava will surely lead to downfall and bad prognostications and especially in this case Saturn is a natural malefic and also a karaka for the 8th Bhava, the said Dusthana. This is not like the 11th Bhava whose 2nd Bhava to it is also a Dusthana because in this case 11th is the 12th to the 12th, a double negative which cancels the said Dusthana effect although using the Bhavat Bhavam principle it still indicate some loss.
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According to Mr. Dinesh Mathur (he is a member of this forum), if 5th, 7th and 11th lord the Graha is in its own sign, it would ONLY give effects only the house where the planet is placed in. So for example in my case Saturn only gives effects of the 7th Bhava and not the 8th Bhava because Saturn is in Capricorn. It is true in my chart. During my Saturn's Mahadasa or Bhukti, I do not feel any Dusthana effects. In fact during the period of Jupiter, although I get trinal effects like easy to get employment but I get Dusthana effects sometimes like Jupiter lord of 6th placed in 8th gives me coughs and phlegms. Sauturn's period usually make me very strong in disposition.
Classics also say that if a Graha rules a Dusthana and a non-Dusthana and if the Graha is placed in the non-Dusthana (now the Yoga is not restricted to only the three Bhavas above), the period of that Graha would only give the effects of the non-Dusthana.
Now your question about what if Saturn is placed in the 8th Bhava. I do not have that so I cannot speak from experience but only in theory. If you follow strictly by BPHS, only natural benefics in 8th Bhava in its own sign gives longevity. But other parts of BPHS did indicate Saturn if strong in the 8th Bhava and in this case your question is Saturn is in its own sign in the 8th Bhava so it must obviously be strong, should also give longevity. In BOTH cases also, the bad attributes of a weak Graha in 8th Bhava does not apply as stated in BPHS like being a thief, be blameworthy and will blame others as well (8th Bhava has to deal with other people's money so if the said Graha is weak all these bad attributes would kick in and especially if the planets are Rahu and Mars but in theory all planets also if they are WEAK - bur Sun even if weak in 8th Bhava would not suffer this affliction, the king has a certain code of honour which is unaffected by the 8th Bhava's influence).
Now for this current case Saturn is also ruler of the 7th Bhava (when a planet is placed in the 8th Bhava it still carry on ruling the other Bhava which is a non-Dusthana). Accroding to BPHS Chapter 24 Sloaka 80 :
""If Yuvati’s Lord is in Randhr Bhava, the native will be deprived of marital happiness. His wife will be troubled by diseases, be devoid of good disposition and will not obey the native.""
I think the logic is that the 2nd Bhava to a Bhava kills the Bhava concern because in this case it is a Dusthana it makes it even more so. Ether lord placed in the other's Bhava will surely lead to downfall and bad prognostications and especially in this case Saturn is a natural malefic and also a karaka for the 8th Bhava, the said Dusthana. This is not like the 11th Bhava whose 2nd Bhava to it is also a Dusthana because in this case 11th is the 12th to the 12th, a double negative which cancels the said Dusthana effect although using the Bhavat Bhavam principle it still indicate some loss.
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Dear Khoo and anuradha,it would ONLY give effects only the house where the planet is placed in. So for example in my case Saturn only gives effects of the 7th Bhava and not the 8th Bhava because Saturn is in Capricorn. It is true in my chart
Phaladeepika states as a general rule if a planet owns a dusthan hosue and a non dusthan house...and sits in the non-dusthan....then that planet will always give the results of the non-dusthan house.
example Sat sitting in 7th ( also ruling 8th) for a Cancer Lagna...will always give 7th house significations
or Jupiter sitting in the 5th ( also ruling 8th) for a Leo Lgana....will always give 5th house significations.
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Shilpaji, Thanks a lot. But I have observed for Cancer Lagna, if Saturn is in 8H , it is giving good results for the 7H . I have gone through the various classics, but could not get the clue to understand it. This is the reason I put it here, to get the response of esteemed astrologers of the forum. regards
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Hi Anuradha and Shilpa
Anuradha, if you have observed the case for Saturn only ie. the only planet that gives good results when placed in 8th Bhava for a Cancer Ascendant, then this is exception to what I have said about the 8th being a Dusthana and is 2nd to the 7th which would kill the 7th.
(Although BPHS is 100% true, sometimes the sections where it writes, it only states the general. If the author has to put in general exceptions everytime he writes a paragraph, then the classic can become unreadable).
The reason being Saturn is the karaka, backup karaka and the natural ruler of the 8th. It gives longevity. And according to G K Goel, Saturn does well in the 8th for D-4. If you extrapolate the reasoning to the Rasi chart, this means that with such a Saturn placement, the 4th Bhava prospers because 8th is the future of the 4th being the 5th to the 4th. If there is longevity, that would mean the 4th Bhava would have time to fully prosper in the native's lifetime.
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Anuradha, if you have observed the case for Saturn only ie. the only planet that gives good results when placed in 8th Bhava for a Cancer Ascendant, then this is exception to what I have said about the 8th being a Dusthana and is 2nd to the 7th which would kill the 7th.
(Although BPHS is 100% true, sometimes the sections where it writes, it only states the general. If the author has to put in general exceptions everytime he writes a paragraph, then the classic can become unreadable).
The reason being Saturn is the karaka, backup karaka and the natural ruler of the 8th. It gives longevity. And according to G K Goel, Saturn does well in the 8th for D-4. If you extrapolate the reasoning to the Rasi chart, this means that with such a Saturn placement, the 4th Bhava prospers because 8th is the future of the 4th being the 5th to the 4th. If there is longevity, that would mean the 4th Bhava would have time to fully prosper in the native's lifetime.
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Hi
Sorry, Saturn is not the natural ruler of the 8th Bhava. A minor correction.
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Sorry, Saturn is not the natural ruler of the 8th Bhava. A minor correction.
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Readers, aside from the answer I have given to Anuradha, let me recap again what I have said since I may have conflate certain points.
Baiscally there are 4 lords involved in the points I mentioned.
11th lord
12th lord
7th lord
8th lord
12th lords and 8th lords are Dusthanas. They are also 2nd to the 11th lord and 2nd to the 7th lord. So the the 12th lords and 8th lords are real killers for the 11th and 7th lords respectively.
If the 12th lord is placed in the 12th hourse or 8th lord is placed in the 8th house, although they are strong in the Dusthanas which can counteract the evil effects of the said Dusthanas, they would effectively kill the 11th and the 7th house respectively.
If the 12th lord is placed in the 11th house, the 12th lord benefits but at the expense of the 11th house. Similarly if the 8th lord is placed in the 7th house, the 8th lord benefits but at the expense of the 7th house.
Now the 11th lord being 12th to the 12th also bears some losses by the Bhavat Bhavam principle. But it also takes out the negative effects of the 12th Bhava to a large extent because of the double negative connotation. And being 12th to a Dusthana as mentioned by Shilpa, in that respect it also stands for NON-12th effects meaning nothing of the 12th house. So If the 11th lord is placed in any non-Dusthana other than the 11th, it would to a large extent, take out all the bad effects of the 12th but there are still some expenses. But if the 11th lord is placed in the 11th house, it has nothing to do with the 12th house at all as according to Philadeepika according as quoted by Shilpa. This is so whether the 11th and 12th share a common lordship (like in the case of Saturn) or not (as when the 11th and the 12th Bhava have different lords). On the other hand if the 11th lord is placed in the 12th, the 12th house gains at the expense of the 11th lord.
Now the 7th lord only has the principle of being 12th to the 8th which is NON-8th effects meaning nothing of the 8th house. If the 7th lord is placed in any non-Dusthana it would take out EVERYTHING of the negative connotation of the 8th house because the Bhavat Bhavam principle does not apply here. But if the 7th lord is placed in the 7th house, it has nothing to do with the 8th house at all as accordind to Philadeepika as quoted by Shilpa.This is so whether the 7th and 8th share a common lordship (like in the case of Saturn) or not (as when the 7th and the 8th Bhava have different lords). On the other hand if the 7th lord is placed in the 8th, the 8th house gains at the expense of the 7th house.
The prosperity part of Saturn in Aquarius in the 8th for a Cancer Ascendant is a separate matter altogether which I answered to Anuradha ji as such. It involves Saturn in its own sign, karaka of the 8th, Saturn denoting longevity in the 8th and also be 5th (the future) of the 4th which denotes self-prosperity. 4th is the 3rd to the 2nd and 2nd Bhava is a house of accretion and results take place slowly. So is the 4th Bhava being the 3rd to the 2nd. Only when a person has a long life, can he then fully be a King on the throne (4th denote sthe King) for a very long time to gain the benefits.
Just to clarify!
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Readers, aside from the answer I have given to Anuradha, let me recap again what I have said since I may have conflate certain points.
Baiscally there are 4 lords involved in the points I mentioned.
11th lord
12th lord
7th lord
8th lord
12th lords and 8th lords are Dusthanas. They are also 2nd to the 11th lord and 2nd to the 7th lord. So the the 12th lords and 8th lords are real killers for the 11th and 7th lords respectively.
If the 12th lord is placed in the 12th hourse or 8th lord is placed in the 8th house, although they are strong in the Dusthanas which can counteract the evil effects of the said Dusthanas, they would effectively kill the 11th and the 7th house respectively.
If the 12th lord is placed in the 11th house, the 12th lord benefits but at the expense of the 11th house. Similarly if the 8th lord is placed in the 7th house, the 8th lord benefits but at the expense of the 7th house.
Now the 11th lord being 12th to the 12th also bears some losses by the Bhavat Bhavam principle. But it also takes out the negative effects of the 12th Bhava to a large extent because of the double negative connotation. And being 12th to a Dusthana as mentioned by Shilpa, in that respect it also stands for NON-12th effects meaning nothing of the 12th house. So If the 11th lord is placed in any non-Dusthana other than the 11th, it would to a large extent, take out all the bad effects of the 12th but there are still some expenses. But if the 11th lord is placed in the 11th house, it has nothing to do with the 12th house at all as according to Philadeepika according as quoted by Shilpa. This is so whether the 11th and 12th share a common lordship (like in the case of Saturn) or not (as when the 11th and the 12th Bhava have different lords). On the other hand if the 11th lord is placed in the 12th, the 12th house gains at the expense of the 11th lord.
Now the 7th lord only has the principle of being 12th to the 8th which is NON-8th effects meaning nothing of the 8th house. If the 7th lord is placed in any non-Dusthana it would take out EVERYTHING of the negative connotation of the 8th house because the Bhavat Bhavam principle does not apply here. But if the 7th lord is placed in the 7th house, it has nothing to do with the 8th house at all as accordind to Philadeepika as quoted by Shilpa.This is so whether the 7th and 8th share a common lordship (like in the case of Saturn) or not (as when the 7th and the 8th Bhava have different lords). On the other hand if the 7th lord is placed in the 8th, the 8th house gains at the expense of the 7th house.
The prosperity part of Saturn in Aquarius in the 8th for a Cancer Ascendant is a separate matter altogether which I answered to Anuradha ji as such. It involves Saturn in its own sign, karaka of the 8th, Saturn denoting longevity in the 8th and also be 5th (the future) of the 4th which denotes self-prosperity. 4th is the 3rd to the 2nd and 2nd Bhava is a house of accretion and results take place slowly. So is the 4th Bhava being the 3rd to the 2nd. Only when a person has a long life, can he then fully be a King on the throne (4th denote sthe King) for a very long time to gain the benefits.
Just to clarify!
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There is one additional point I want to add.
For the 12th lord, placing in the 11th Bhava is the place where the 12th lord can gain the MOST as compared to other non-Dusthanas. The 11th Bhava also tends to lose the MOST.
Similarly for the 8th lord to be placed in the 7th Bhava is the place where the 8th lord can gain the MOST as compared to other non-Dusthanas. The 7th lord also tends to lose the MOST.
Note that planets in their own signs in the 11th Bhava and the 7th Bhava are excluded from the above dicta as explained earlier.
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There is one additional point I want to add.
For the 12th lord, placing in the 11th Bhava is the place where the 12th lord can gain the MOST as compared to other non-Dusthanas. The 11th Bhava also tends to lose the MOST.
Similarly for the 8th lord to be placed in the 7th Bhava is the place where the 8th lord can gain the MOST as compared to other non-Dusthanas. The 7th lord also tends to lose the MOST.
Note that planets in their own signs in the 11th Bhava and the 7th Bhava are excluded from the above dicta as explained earlier.
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With regards to Anuradha's question on why Saturn in 8th Bhava for a Cancer Ascendat is prosperious, another reason is that Libra is on the 4th Bhava for a Cancer Ascendant which is Venus Digbala's place and Venus is also the general karakatwa for money. (The other reason of Saturn being in the 5th from the 4th and well placed has already been mentioned).
So unless there many malefics in the 4th Bhava or Venus becomes terribly weak, generally with Saturn in the 8th Bhava the person is prosperous (but remember general karakatwa is just the potential, you also have to look at the 2nd to Venus as well denoting money).
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With regards to Anuradha's question on why Saturn in 8th Bhava for a Cancer Ascendat is prosperious, another reason is that Libra is on the 4th Bhava for a Cancer Ascendant which is Venus Digbala's place and Venus is also the general karakatwa for money. (The other reason of Saturn being in the 5th from the 4th and well placed has already been mentioned).
So unless there many malefics in the 4th Bhava or Venus becomes terribly weak, generally with Saturn in the 8th Bhava the person is prosperous (but remember general karakatwa is just the potential, you also have to look at the 2nd to Venus as well denoting money).
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12th of Venus denoting prosperity should also be looked into as well.
Note that the 2nd and 12th are important houses because the first is the 11th to the 4th which is gains to material prosperity of the 4th and the second is the 9th to the 4th which helps to boost the power of the material prosperity of the 4th.
Although 12th is a Dusthana, it is 2nd to the 11th and 11th to the 2nd so it does have material significations.
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12th of Venus denoting prosperity should also be looked into as well.
Note that the 2nd and 12th are important houses because the first is the 11th to the 4th which is gains to material prosperity of the 4th and the second is the 9th to the 4th which helps to boost the power of the material prosperity of the 4th.
Although 12th is a Dusthana, it is 2nd to the 11th and 11th to the 2nd so it does have material significations.
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Dear Hock,
As far as Saturn is concerned in 8th house in Kark Lagna I have seen a live example. The person lived a very long and peaceful life (except for last 2 years due to Shukra dash).
What can be said for Tulla Lagna where Budh is the Lord of 9th and 12th both and if it is placed in 11th house along with Surya (owner of 11th house) and Shukra (Lagnesh) and Moon in 5th house.
Similarly the 8th house is occupied with Mars (owner of 8th house) along with Ketu.
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As far as Saturn is concerned in 8th house in Kark Lagna I have seen a live example. The person lived a very long and peaceful life (except for last 2 years due to Shukra dash).
What can be said for Tulla Lagna where Budh is the Lord of 9th and 12th both and if it is placed in 11th house along with Surya (owner of 11th house) and Shukra (Lagnesh) and Moon in 5th house.
Similarly the 8th house is occupied with Mars (owner of 8th house) along with Ketu.
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Now comes the interesting part.
4th Bhava is the 10th of the 7th Bhava. In my one of earlier posts, I did inidcate the 4th Bhava is the 10th of the 7th Bhava. Just like the 10th to the Lagna is our Midheaven where if strong it takes over completely our Lagna (just like a high status person people see him with that image and interact him with that image so that the Lagna to a CERTAIN EXTENT does not count anymore where image or personality is concerned) the 4th Bhava can take over the 7th Bhava the house of business and business partnerships. Thus the 4th Bhava rules SOLE PROPRIETORSHIP.
Based on the posts which I have just posted in this thread, let's see how it works out for my chart.
My 7th Bhava is in a mess with Saturn and Ketu there with Saturn not only in its own but is retrogading. But my 4th Bhava is a different story. Not only is Libra there but Venus brought up from Navasamsa is there. Venus on the whole in my Rasi chart is also good being in Lagna conjuncting North Node (a kind of Raja Yoga) and aspected by the Moon and Venus is in Cancer (another Raja Yoga).
5th to the 4th is the 8th where Jupiter sits in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Pisces in Navamsa. Jupiter is also in Pushkala Bhaga. This shows my sole proprietorship has a long life - not only Saturn in its own sign in the 8th Bhava gives long life, natural benefics well placed and strong has the means to do that as well.
11th to the 4th is my 2nd where Leo sits and Sun in 12th is 9th to the 4th (my sole proprietorship business will get going smoothly throughout my life I entered into it). Jupiter trines the Sun as well from the 8th. This means the future of my sole proprietorship is such that it can sustain itself in the long run (Sun and Jupiter in Dusthanas can be somewhat downplayed as an obstruction because these two houses are trine to the 4th and both houses hava Jupiter's influnece and 8th Bhava also has Saturn and Rahu to add to the strength).
Some years back, a Chinese astrologer did advise me. If I ever do go into business, it has to be sole proprietorship.
To see what kind of business you should enter into, go for the combinations of the 4th and the 8th Bhava. This shows the initial stages of the sole proprietorship. The 12th Bhava would show the sustainability after the start-up or should I say the MANY earlier years of the business.
No wonder classics do indicate 4th Bhava as self prosperity. And it is a mterial house as well.
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Now comes the interesting part.
4th Bhava is the 10th of the 7th Bhava. In my one of earlier posts, I did inidcate the 4th Bhava is the 10th of the 7th Bhava. Just like the 10th to the Lagna is our Midheaven where if strong it takes over completely our Lagna (just like a high status person people see him with that image and interact him with that image so that the Lagna to a CERTAIN EXTENT does not count anymore where image or personality is concerned) the 4th Bhava can take over the 7th Bhava the house of business and business partnerships. Thus the 4th Bhava rules SOLE PROPRIETORSHIP.
Based on the posts which I have just posted in this thread, let's see how it works out for my chart.
My 7th Bhava is in a mess with Saturn and Ketu there with Saturn not only in its own but is retrogading. But my 4th Bhava is a different story. Not only is Libra there but Venus brought up from Navasamsa is there. Venus on the whole in my Rasi chart is also good being in Lagna conjuncting North Node (a kind of Raja Yoga) and aspected by the Moon and Venus is in Cancer (another Raja Yoga).
5th to the 4th is the 8th where Jupiter sits in Aquarius and Jupiter is in Pisces in Navamsa. Jupiter is also in Pushkala Bhaga. This shows my sole proprietorship has a long life - not only Saturn in its own sign in the 8th Bhava gives long life, natural benefics well placed and strong has the means to do that as well.
11th to the 4th is my 2nd where Leo sits and Sun in 12th is 9th to the 4th (my sole proprietorship business will get going smoothly throughout my life I entered into it). Jupiter trines the Sun as well from the 8th. This means the future of my sole proprietorship is such that it can sustain itself in the long run (Sun and Jupiter in Dusthanas can be somewhat downplayed as an obstruction because these two houses are trine to the 4th and both houses hava Jupiter's influnece and 8th Bhava also has Saturn and Rahu to add to the strength).
Some years back, a Chinese astrologer did advise me. If I ever do go into business, it has to be sole proprietorship.
To see what kind of business you should enter into, go for the combinations of the 4th and the 8th Bhava. This shows the initial stages of the sole proprietorship. The 12th Bhava would show the sustainability after the start-up or should I say the MANY earlier years of the business.
No wonder classics do indicate 4th Bhava as self prosperity. And it is a mterial house as well.
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Now there is no specialised significator for sole proprietorshi.
4th to Mercury ruling good friends, education and your clan and community of course must be good for your sole proprietorship to prosper but it DOES NOT signify soleproprietorship. My 4th to Mercury is where the 2nd and 12th Bhavas to Lagnas, which I have already mentioned. It has the Sun which ruled my Navamsa, and the Sun is affected by 2nd to Venus ruling money and 12th to Venus ruling propserity.
So as a proxy we use the karaka and backup karaka for the 4th Bhava, the Moon. 4th to Moon has Mars which is a trinal lord. 7th to Moon is my Ascendant with Venus conjuncting Rahu aspected by Moon another good Raja Yoga.
So the two above are additional supporting factors for going into sole proprietorship.
Also for the kind of business, Libra (4th Bhava), Scorpio (5th Bhava which is 2nd to 4th Bhava), Aquarius (uth Bhava) and Gemin (12th Bhava) are involved.
Libra and Scorpio deals with exchange of resources. As mentioned in antoher posts, 5th deals with something you are a genius at. Usually people go into sole prorpietorship would be on those areas of business where he is a genius at.
Aquarius on the 8th Bhava shows gains in business in the future. With Jupiter in Aquarius in Pushkara Bhaga there, the gains are not small.
Gemini on 12th Bhava deals with sales and writing. My sales skills are only required late in the business after it has established. Which is a blessing in disguise because as mentioned previously, I am not good in sales. Writing also later when I need to keep in touch with old clients. My writing is generally not as structed as most adults are and not persuasive enough and stylish enough, but I am good in writing stories, creative writing etc. which comes under the Moon, a different significator altogether. Still it is quite good for writing that is (NOT sales) because Mercury in Gemini brought up from the Navamsa onto Rais is on the 12th Bhava becuase Mercury in its own sign in the 12th generally denotes a good structured writer.
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Hock Leong
Now there is no specialised significator for sole proprietorshi.
4th to Mercury ruling good friends, education and your clan and community of course must be good for your sole proprietorship to prosper but it DOES NOT signify soleproprietorship. My 4th to Mercury is where the 2nd and 12th Bhavas to Lagnas, which I have already mentioned. It has the Sun which ruled my Navamsa, and the Sun is affected by 2nd to Venus ruling money and 12th to Venus ruling propserity.
So as a proxy we use the karaka and backup karaka for the 4th Bhava, the Moon. 4th to Moon has Mars which is a trinal lord. 7th to Moon is my Ascendant with Venus conjuncting Rahu aspected by Moon another good Raja Yoga.
So the two above are additional supporting factors for going into sole proprietorship.
Also for the kind of business, Libra (4th Bhava), Scorpio (5th Bhava which is 2nd to 4th Bhava), Aquarius (uth Bhava) and Gemin (12th Bhava) are involved.
Libra and Scorpio deals with exchange of resources. As mentioned in antoher posts, 5th deals with something you are a genius at. Usually people go into sole prorpietorship would be on those areas of business where he is a genius at.
Aquarius on the 8th Bhava shows gains in business in the future. With Jupiter in Aquarius in Pushkara Bhaga there, the gains are not small.
Gemini on 12th Bhava deals with sales and writing. My sales skills are only required late in the business after it has established. Which is a blessing in disguise because as mentioned previously, I am not good in sales. Writing also later when I need to keep in touch with old clients. My writing is generally not as structed as most adults are and not persuasive enough and stylish enough, but I am good in writing stories, creative writing etc. which comes under the Moon, a different significator altogether. Still it is quite good for writing that is (NOT sales) because Mercury in Gemini brought up from the Navamsa onto Rais is on the 12th Bhava becuase Mercury in its own sign in the 12th generally denotes a good structured writer.
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Earlier on we work backwards from the 7th Bhava to the 4th Bhava concluding sole proprietorship is better for me.
We can work in the other direction. The 4th to the 4th Bhava is the 7th Bhava which is the ASSISTANT to the solde proprietorship, not the business partnert.
Now how does this fare?
Saturn is not a Dusthana ruler since it sits on its own sign in the 7th Bhava. A9, A10, A3 and A4 are there which is powerful. Saturn is a Yogi planet (someone virtuous) and rules A9 and A10 - someone who is fortunate for me. Saturn retrogade means the person is powerful. Moon, the Lagna Lord, is trinal and highly spiritual (1st Bhava is the 5th to the 9th). Moon rules Rahu and together with Saturn which rules Ketu means something good would come out of the assistance.
Ketu there is a trinal lord.
Jupiter there through the retrogression principle (it retrogades 10 days after my date of birth) is also a trinal lord.
On the whole the assistant is very powerful and would be beneficial for me. But I would have a lot of say in the proprietorship. Saturn is also the PiK the Father.
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Hock Leong
Earlier on we work backwards from the 7th Bhava to the 4th Bhava concluding sole proprietorship is better for me.
We can work in the other direction. The 4th to the 4th Bhava is the 7th Bhava which is the ASSISTANT to the solde proprietorship, not the business partnert.
Now how does this fare?
Saturn is not a Dusthana ruler since it sits on its own sign in the 7th Bhava. A9, A10, A3 and A4 are there which is powerful. Saturn is a Yogi planet (someone virtuous) and rules A9 and A10 - someone who is fortunate for me. Saturn retrogade means the person is powerful. Moon, the Lagna Lord, is trinal and highly spiritual (1st Bhava is the 5th to the 9th). Moon rules Rahu and together with Saturn which rules Ketu means something good would come out of the assistance.
Ketu there is a trinal lord.
Jupiter there through the retrogression principle (it retrogades 10 days after my date of birth) is also a trinal lord.
On the whole the assistant is very powerful and would be beneficial for me. But I would have a lot of say in the proprietorship. Saturn is also the PiK the Father.
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Hock Leong
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Okay, to conclude let's see what we have learnt from this long thread.
(A) For the posts related to sole proprietorship, note that I did not start with the specialised planetary significations procedure which I notmally do. This is because sometimes if an astrologer finds something striking, he may decide to change his usual procedure in analysis. This is the eclectic approach. In this case the striking difference between the 4th and 7th Bhavas cause me to zone in on these two Bhavas.
(B) For the points on the 11th, 12th, 7th and 8th Bhavas, if the 12th and 8th Bhavas are non-Dusthana the analysis would have been different.
For example, 1st and 2nd Bhava are both non-Dusthanas. If the 2nd lord is placed in the 1st, I would not say the 1st Bhava stands to lose. Instead the 1st Bhava would stand to gain unlike the 12th lord is placed in the 11th Bhava.
So that's it for this thread unless other members have something to say.
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Hock Leong
Okay, to conclude let's see what we have learnt from this long thread.
(A) For the posts related to sole proprietorship, note that I did not start with the specialised planetary significations procedure which I notmally do. This is because sometimes if an astrologer finds something striking, he may decide to change his usual procedure in analysis. This is the eclectic approach. In this case the striking difference between the 4th and 7th Bhavas cause me to zone in on these two Bhavas.
(B) For the points on the 11th, 12th, 7th and 8th Bhavas, if the 12th and 8th Bhavas are non-Dusthana the analysis would have been different.
For example, 1st and 2nd Bhava are both non-Dusthanas. If the 2nd lord is placed in the 1st, I would not say the 1st Bhava stands to lose. Instead the 1st Bhava would stand to gain unlike the 12th lord is placed in the 11th Bhava.
So that's it for this thread unless other members have something to say.
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Hock Leong
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Khoo Hock Leong
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Hi
One other thing.
Lest anyone thinks that sole proprietorship is easy, it is not. There are 2 reasons.
(A) 4th is the 3rd to the 2nd. The 2nd Bhava accummulates slowly. The 4th Bhava being the 3rd to the 2nd accummulates even more slowly. For example, K N Rao is in the field of astrology for many years before he becomes king.
(B) The 6th (running dlown), 7th (a killer house), 8th (death inflicting) to the 4th Bhava to Lagna is the 9th, 10th and 11th Bhavas to Lagna standing for fortune, profession and credits and gains respectively.
To go into sole proprietorship is an arduous task since you are only depending only on your funds.
But in my case not only Venus is in Libra in 4th Bhava brought up from Navamsa which makes the 4th Bhava strong. The ruler of Libra in Rasi chart, Venus goes into the 1st Bhava. The 9th, 10th and 11th Bhavas in this case is as what to stand for in rlation to Lagna which is the 1st Bhava. To have the 4th Bhava is indeed a good sign to rise FAST and to go into SOLE PROPRIETORSHIP. Rahu in the 1st Bhava would also magnify the good effects.
Just some thoughts to share with you.
Warmest Regards
Hock Leong
One other thing.
Lest anyone thinks that sole proprietorship is easy, it is not. There are 2 reasons.
(A) 4th is the 3rd to the 2nd. The 2nd Bhava accummulates slowly. The 4th Bhava being the 3rd to the 2nd accummulates even more slowly. For example, K N Rao is in the field of astrology for many years before he becomes king.
(B) The 6th (running dlown), 7th (a killer house), 8th (death inflicting) to the 4th Bhava to Lagna is the 9th, 10th and 11th Bhavas to Lagna standing for fortune, profession and credits and gains respectively.
To go into sole proprietorship is an arduous task since you are only depending only on your funds.
But in my case not only Venus is in Libra in 4th Bhava brought up from Navamsa which makes the 4th Bhava strong. The ruler of Libra in Rasi chart, Venus goes into the 1st Bhava. The 9th, 10th and 11th Bhavas in this case is as what to stand for in rlation to Lagna which is the 1st Bhava. To have the 4th Bhava is indeed a good sign to rise FAST and to go into SOLE PROPRIETORSHIP. Rahu in the 1st Bhava would also magnify the good effects.
Just some thoughts to share with you.
Warmest Regards
Hock Leong
Respected KHL,
I have read many of ur posts and know that you are quite busy researching astrology. I am struggling for quite a while and two of your posts "jupitor in 3rd bhava" and " ketu in 11" gave me some hope because I have both of them at same location. I am virgo asc with venus, merury, and sun in lagan, rahu/mars in 5H, Saturn in 9H. I am not sure if I have budh adhitya yoga and neechbangha yoga happening in my chart or not, because of proximity of sun wth mercury and distance of mercury and venus. As you being a grt. Researcher can throw some light on this.My saturn period is not very good inspite of SA being in house of fortune.
Please.....please... do reply.
Oct 2, 1971
7:30 am
Amritsar india
I have read many of ur posts and know that you are quite busy researching astrology. I am struggling for quite a while and two of your posts "jupitor in 3rd bhava" and " ketu in 11" gave me some hope because I have both of them at same location. I am virgo asc with venus, merury, and sun in lagan, rahu/mars in 5H, Saturn in 9H. I am not sure if I have budh adhitya yoga and neechbangha yoga happening in my chart or not, because of proximity of sun wth mercury and distance of mercury and venus. As you being a grt. Researcher can throw some light on this.My saturn period is not very good inspite of SA being in house of fortune.
Please.....please... do reply.
Oct 2, 1971
7:30 am
Amritsar india
