Astrological indicators for a good sex life vs. Celibacy

[astroboy]

Good day shilpa ,

True I agree that in the soci-cultural context of europe that won't be an addiction / vice . But what about astrologically ?? AA says a person can drink only a 30 Ml of 75 Proof 42 PCT VV every day . That would make even Jesus Christ a Alchoholic ,


I also agree that Blair's vices if any would be related to an addiction to power/ need to be center of attention/ opportunism .

The point is Blair himself admitted that he indeed grappled with the bottle . And that is what counts .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... habit.html

Let me tell you , In my soci- cultural context , My religion and community allows me to drink . The trouble starts when , Like blair says " ''You have to be honest: it's a drug, there's no getting away from it.''

To be honest , Given a choice I would love to drink 24 /7 . The fact that I have to control it and keep within limits is where the frustration lies . The urge is great , so greater control has to be exerted . That becomes a bother . The fact that you have to concentrate on keeping control is the troublesome part . People ask me why I drink . I say "I do it because i love it" . No silly excuses for me . The truth is the truth . It could be because of Rahu in the 12th and Shani's aspect on the 2nd . But Like Shrikanth ji said , The 11th pays a key role . I am extremely concerned about my weight . That is the only factor that keeps my mouth out of the Tap . Kuja is both a impediment and a blessing .

Best regard's

[shilpa]

To me if read in entireity he is in this article in italics below ( quoting his memoirs) saying more like his drinking was controlled.

Let me tell you , In my soci- cultural context , My religion and community allows me to drink

Yes the christian community in India has a more open view to drinking compared to social norms around them until early mid 90s......but the same is not true about the religion. The majority of christianity represneted by catholics and protestants and even the minority sects have a more hardline view on drinking from a religious POV.
It is very restricted if not completely prohibited ( that is not necessarily adhered to strictly by community).

While Hinduism as a religion is not at all restrictive/ prohibitive....on the contrary there is even a god of Liquor / alcohol ( somdev) and many stories/ anecdotes of devtas induliging in madria-paan.

But the socio-cultural dynamics of a poor nation in the 20th century looked upon drinking as a HUGE social taboo. That has changed after mid 90s though.



Mr Blair insisted that he was not an ''excessively excessive'' drinker and always believed he was ''in control'' of his alcohol intake.

But in his memoir, A Journey, he confessed that he was never sure whether his drinking was good or bad for him, adding: ''You have to be honest: it's a drug, there's no getting away from it.''

Mr Blair wrote: ''By the standards of days gone by I was not even remotely a toper, and I couldn't do lunchtime drinking except on Christmas Day, but if you took the thing everyone always lies about - units per week - I was definitely at the outer limit.

''Stiff whisky or G&T before dinner, couple of glasses of wine or even half a bottle with it. So not excessively excessive. I had a limit. But I was aware that it had become a prop.''

Mr Blair said he could ''never work out'' whether alcohol was good for him because it helped him relax, or bad because he could have been working instead of relaxing.

He came to the conclusion that the benefits of relaxation outweighed the cost to his work.

''I thought that escaping the pressure and relaxing was a vital part of keeping the job in proportion, a function rather like my holidays,'' he wrote.

[astroboy]

Mr Blair insisted that he was not an ''excessively excessive'' drinker and always believed he was ''in control'' of his alcohol intake.
But in his memoir, A Journey, he confessed that he was never sure whether his drinking was good or bad for him, adding: ''You have to be honest: it's a drug, there's no getting away from it.''
Mr Blair wrote: ''By the standards of days gone by I was not even remotely a toper, and I couldn't do lunchtime drinking except on Christmas Day, but if you took the thing everyone always lies about - units per week - I was definitely at the outer limit.
''Stiff whisky or G&T before dinner, couple of glasses of wine or even half a bottle with it. So not excessively excessive. I had a limit. But I was aware that it had become a prop.''
Mr Blair said he could ''never work out'' whether alcohol was good for him because it helped him relax, or bad because he could have been working instead of relaxing.
He came to the conclusion that the benefits of relaxation outweighed the cost to his work.
''I thought that escaping the pressure and relaxing was a vital part of keeping the job in proportion, a function rather like my holidays,'' he wrote.

Shilpa ji , it's called a Good job by a spin Doctor . . Its called "wag the dog" .

Best regard's

[astroboy]

Always read between the lines

'but if you took the thing everyone always lies about - units per week - I was definitely at the outer limit.
So not excessively excessive. I had a limit. But I was aware that it had become a prop

[shilpa]

Mr Blair insisted that he was not an ''excessively excessive'' drinker and always believed he was ''in control'' of his alcohol intake.
But in his memoir, A Journey, he confessed that he was never sure whether his drinking was good or bad for him, adding: ''You have to be honest: it's a drug, there's no getting away from it.''
Mr Blair wrote: ''By the standards of days gone by I was not even remotely a toper, and I couldn't do lunchtime drinking except on Christmas Day, but if you took the thing everyone always lies about - units per week - I was definitely at the outer limit.
''Stiff whisky or G&T before dinner, couple of glasses of wine or even half a bottle with it. So not excessively excessive. I had a limit. But I was aware that it had become a prop.''
Mr Blair said he could ''never work out'' whether alcohol was good for him because it helped him relax, or bad because he could have been working instead of relaxing.
He came to the conclusion that the benefits of relaxation outweighed the cost to his work.
''I thought that escaping the pressure and relaxing was a vital part of keeping the job in proportion, a function rather like my holidays,'' he wrote.

Shilpa ji , it's called a Good job by a spin Doctor . . Its called "wag the dog" .

Best regard's

Dear astroboy,
dunno what you mean....but doesn't matter.
It's any way getting besides the main issue.......readers can form their own impressions.
Regards

[astroboy]

Shilpa ji ,

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/spin-doctor.html

Wag the Dog = http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120885/

Best regard's

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Anuradha

You are right. Besides BPHS other classics also mentioned that if the 11th lord is placed in the 1st or has something to do with Lagna constitutes something of a Raja Yoga. The person is the lord of an army, elephants etc. Usually this means the person is a king or lord of his immediate community whether in a forum or of a nation like Tony Blair. He is well-respected notwithstanding of any one obsession or vice he has. The obsession or vice is usually indicated by the sign on the 11th house.

Exceptions to the Raja Yoga or much watered down would be if the lord is a Bhadakesh, the lord weakened by the node etc. Strengthening would be via the trinal lords of the 5th and the 9th disposited by the 11th lord and whether the 11th lord is placed in its own sign. Still one has to bear in mind it is the strongest of the Uppachaya houses and the strongest of the Kama houses.

As in all astrological factors, many other factors in the chart also has to be taken into account.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[sunny29031]

^^

hi khoo ....once again ...the same combination told by you ....is in my chart ..

its

11th lord mars in lagna .... and venus is disposited by mars .... chek mine ..... 29-3-1991 11-10am hyderabad .....

i guess u need to save my details ... as typing them every time's a tedious task ..

[Khoo Hock Leong]

I forgot to mention also that the Raja Yoga exists for the 11th Lord in ANY of the Kendra houses of the chart not just the Lagna. But I guess it is only the Lagna that give the obsession because it is the strongest of the Kendras and it deals with the self which is the 3rd to the 11th (strength added to strength).

Surprisingly the Dusthanas lords in Lagna with the 11th lord can counteract the obsession and vice to a certain extent.

8th deals with spirituality pursuits and 11th serves the 8th. 12th deals with spiritual enlightenment and the person who chases after that dream would kill off his obsessive vice in life. 6th with a strong malefic there and the 6th lord in Lagna would mean the person would be too busy fighting the battles of life to have any time to cater to his vices or obsessive tendencies.

[anuradha]

Hi Anuradha

You are right. Besides BPHS other classics also mentioned that if the 11th lord is placed in the 1st or has something to do with Lagna constitutes something of a Raja Yoga. The person is the lord of an army, elephants etc. Usually this means the person is a king or lord of his immediate community whether in a forum or of a nation like Tony Blair. He is well-respected notwithstanding of any one obsession or vice he has. The obsession or vice is usually indicated by the sign on the 11th house.

Exceptions to the Raja Yoga or much watered down would be if the lord is a Bhadakesh, the lord weakened by the node etc. Strengthening would be via the trinal lords of the 5th and the 9th disposited by the 11th lord and whether the 11th lord is placed in its own sign. Still one has to bear in mind it is the strongest of the Uppachaya houses and the strongest of the Kama houses.

As in all astrological factors, many other factors in the chart also has to be taken into account.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong
Khoo Hock Leong

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Sir, I have not seen your post yet, just seen. I have checked the B.P.H.S again and it hinted that any relation of 11L with lagna the person is pious and pure[ 11L in lagna] and if LL is in 11H , the person will be of good conduct. Both are ''Dhan Yoga'', not the rajyoga. In case of Tony Blair 11L is in lagna and LL is in 11H. Lagna is both kendra and trikone, so give the purity to 11L and 11H. Regards

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Thanks Anuradha. The Rajayoga I talked about was from another classic quoted in Saptarishis Magazine applies to any Kendra.

But your quote from BPHS is very true and very specific.

Thanks for checking again and verifying the details.

[R V RAMANAN]

Dear Shrikanth, astroboy, khoo, shilpa

I know of a person who has lagna and 11th lord exchange. Actually the lagna lord though exalted is afflicted by the presence of mars and ketu. As clean as a whistle. No vices or obsessions of any sort. Why vices, doesnt even take onion, garlic etc. Comes naturally to her.

Birth details
23-5-1977
6.15 am
Kanchipuram

Regards
Ramanan

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

I have just confirmed it which I suspected in my earlier post.

The 7th to Venus in Navamsa denotes the attributes of your spouse or the one whom you are closest to.

The 7th to Venus in D-7 denotes your sexuality and your sexual partner.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[map]

Ramanan ji,

23-5-1977
6.15 am
Kanchipuram

One significant feature i find in this chart is the native is very lucky in the direction of marriage.
She will have a good married life.
She will be proud of her spouse.
Kindly correct me if i am wrong.

regards
map

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi

But Navamsa chart is to be read like an overall chart just like the Rasi. Thus all the specialised significations in Navamsa all have somewhat equal standing with the Rasi chart specialised significations.

Thus 7th to Venus in Navamsa does indicate sexuality and the sexual partner as well. Thus for this attribute sexuality and sexual partner, read from BOTH 7th to Venus in D-9 and D-7. But for attributes of spouse, only read from 7th to Venus in Navamsa.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[R V RAMANAN]

Now coming back to this ex. chart - I'm concerned about the Venus - Mars in the 11th. This is a ticking time bomb waiting to go off somewhere.
Shrikanth

Dear Shrikanth Ji

I agree with your analysis completely. Her Venus dasha may start only after about 10 years and venus mars a few years later. Hope by that time she is able to out evolve the effects of the ticking time bomb.

Thanks for the input

Regards
Ramanan

[vidhyanine]

I can't complain in this department.

I've been blessed

V.

[mysticriver2003]

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[mysticriver2003]

neeti ji , Absolutely!
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[Nitin21]

Dear Shilpaji,

2. Labha Lord in own sign and combust still gives full gains.

item-2 is very very heartening to hear. A few days back a kid was born that i am a god parent to. 28th March, 2011, 9:45am Bhavnagar.
It's the same case I had posted under atsrologically designed baby some time back.
Inspite of my best efforts to advise his mother to deliver before 24th March or after 3rd april ( in this window Jupiter was combust over Bhavnagar)...the complications in the delivery were so huge that he was born on that day of 28th Mar...with Jupiter combust, in Pisces in the 11th.
Good to hear that his combustion stands nullified.

I had quoted this earlier for labha bhava. I have a correction to make. Gains will accrue only if Labha lord is in exaltation, even if it is combust. This is as per BPHS Chapter 22.2.

Sorry about the misinfo earlier.

Regards
Sonu

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Sonu

Yes, I was about to point that out to you. I spotted that info in BPHS.

Warmest Regards
Hock Leong

[Nitin21]

Dear Khoo,

Thanks. Those are the only two points I have come till date about exceptions to combustion. If you come across more, please let us know.

Regards
Sonu

[shilpa]

Dear Shilpaji,

2. Labha Lord in own sign and combust still gives full gains.

item-2 is very very heartening to hear. A few days back a kid was born that i am a god parent to. 28th March, 2011, 9:45am Bhavnagar.
It's the same case I had posted under atsrologically designed baby some time back.
Inspite of my best efforts to advise his mother to deliver before 24th March or after 3rd april ( in this window Jupiter was combust over Bhavnagar)...the complications in the delivery were so huge that he was born on that day of 28th Mar...with Jupiter combust, in Pisces in the 11th.
Good to hear that his combustion stands nullified.

I had quoted this earlier for labha bhava. I have a correction to make. Gains will accrue only if Labha lord is in exaltation, even if it is combust. This is as per BPHS Chapter 22.2.

Sorry about the misinfo earlier.

Regards
Sonu

well it's disappointing for the new born kid's well wishers

[shilpa]

Dear Shilpa Ji

This is a very interesting article - i did similar research once on extra marital affairs or affairs with married women and continually found rahus connection with jupiter and venus , the 7th lord and 12th lord. Jupiter being afflicted and mars and venus strong.

good to hear your findings.

However, strong lordship of the 12th by mercury and 7th by saturn or vice versa leading to an inclination towards celibacy - surely this would make a lot of cancer ascendants more prone towards celibacy with saturn ruling the 7th and mercury ruling the 12th (especially those with strong saturn and mercury influences on these houses). ...........but i have personally always found cancer ascendants being governed by the moon more indulgent in sex.

what are your thoughts on this ?
thanks

Trade-Offs is the key word in astrology.....when you get something strong.....generally it's at the cost of something else.

Cancer ascendant for example where me rules the 12th and Saturn the 7th.

If the Lord of the 12th house is strong....then it makes the 12th house siginifcations strong...i.e bed pleasures and sexual life.
at the same time if Me is strong...( whihc is making the 12th house strong)......then it takes away a some of the sex related significations.
so there is a tradeoff when the 12th house is made stronger because of a strong Me.

However you must always look at the chart in totality.....whihc are the planets placed in 12th or aspecting the 12th....for example is there an very strong Mars or Venus aspecting the 12th ??

Generalization like Cancerians indulgent in sex life is a very high level statement.......like the one you would read in Linda Godman's book of sun-signs.
There are dozens of levels of details below that high level, that can greatly temper or alter that statement.
Must always look at the chart in totality.

regards