Combustion - A Second and Deeper Look

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Khoo Hock Leong
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Hi Learned Members

These are the overall agreement amongst the classics and modern astrologers :

(1) Venus and Saturn are strong planets with respect to the Sun. The combustion of these planets when conjunct with the Sun is minimal unless the orb is tight meaning really below the threshhold values as indicated in classics.

(2) Jupiter can withstand the onslaught of the Sun. Again unless the orb is very tight, otherwise the combustion effects are minimal or even non-existent at all. In fact Jupiter thrives on the rays of the Sun.

(3) Moon is really affected by the combustion of the Sun. After all the Moon depends on her visibility from the reflection of the rays of the Sun. If she is too close and hence her visibility is affected, she loses all power.

(4) Mars can withstand the combustion if it placed in a sign where it is strong (by implication, if Mars is strong in a sign, that sign should also be strong for the Sun - we are talking about signs like Aires, Leo, Sagittarius and Scorpio - and to a lesser extent Capricorn because Sun is only moderately strong here). When the signs are strong for both planets, it means Mars gets support from the king.

(5) Mercury is also affected by combustion by the Sun although modern astrologers tend to take it for granted as it is often close to the Sun, its combustion can be ignored. But it is not correct.

Mercury rules the knowing of a person. His thoughts. Sun rules the intelligence. Although it has often been stated that combustion of Mercury affects the outward behaviour and appearance of a person but not his inner strengths and abilities but let us take a detailed look on this sweeping statement.

The closer Mercury is to the Sun, it means the intelligence and ego of the person would affect Mercury's thinking process. The person can think FAST, but can he think TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITY? No, he does not. Hence Mercury is affected by the combustion of the Sun.

When Mercury becomes less than 1 degree away from the Sun, the alignment of the intelligence and thought process is so perfect, that we can safely say the person's intelligence has superseded his thought process such that there is no need for further deliberation to enhance the quality of thinking. This is the only exception when Mercury's effects are then enhanced.

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Hock Leong
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Nitin21

Dear Khoo,

Combustion is mourned all over classics. 'Astangata' and 'Moudhya' is the keyword used for the two. Where the first one means burnt up and latter means foolish. The closer the planet is to Sun lesser the visibility of its rays with an exception to Mercury. Mercury even in combustion flourishes best.

There is only ONE exception to combustion that I could find in BPHS Chapter 22.2, where it is stated that if the Lord of the Labha bhava is exalted then even though he may be combust, there will still be many gains.

Combustion of Jupiter however is stated to have a different view. BPHS 47.49-51 states that in such Gurus Dasha the results will be unfavourable in the early phases only, later on it will give all recognition from Govt, benefits etc.

Saturn and Venus even though combust do not account for loss of longevity. But their dashas will be troublesome.

The basic rule to be kept in mind is that a planet flourishes only when it is farthest from Sun. Full moon happens only when it is farthest from Sun. And this full moon gives auspicious effects. Even if the planets are low on strength, but if they are at a distance from sun, their better effects are visible to the native.

If I get some more info, I shall post more.

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Sonu
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Rajitha

Since Sonu has quoted from BPHS, then I think most of his points are correct because BPHS is the mother of all classics.

For example, in the case of Jupiter, another classic does not mention about Jupiter gives bad effects in the initial period. So this is more of a fine tuning. Similarly for Venus and Saturn, it is more of a fine tuning with all the qualifications about longevity and troublesomeness during their respective dasas.

For Mercury to say it flourishes with the Sun, this is not from BPHS, but is more from the presence of the Yoga (I can't recall the Hindi name) when Mercury conjunct the Sun.

So Sonu's conclusion is that all planets function best when away from the Sun with EXCEPTION OF MERCURY where it flourishes best when it conjuncts the Sun and this is the main question that is bothering you. The external effects of Mercury on the person is true by evidence. Normally there is a perculiar behaviour or outward appearance of the person.

But the contention is on the inner part. Mercury conjunct the Sun gives brilliance but yet as I say it may be better to make deliberative decisions rather than giving fast answers when living in this modern world.

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Hock Leong
Nitin21

Dear Khoo,

You must be talking about Budhaditya yoga. This is also a misconception to many that mere conjunction of two forms this yoga. Sun and merc are infact so close to each other that every now and then this yoga can be formed in all charts. It is only when either of two are in own or exaltation sign without a malefic aspect, that this yoga gives upliftment to the native. Else, most people have this yoga in their charts.

You are right, Mercury Combustion exclusively is not mentioned in BPHS. So, you can discount that from my post above. The logic behind that is that everybody will have a bad mercury dasha since it is always very close to Sun, if combustion rule is to be followed for this. I learnt this from my Guruji that except MErcury all grahas give bad results during its Dasha. The magnanimity will vary according to the degrees of seperation from Sun. The lesser the distance, more the evil results. The more the distance, the bad effects get reduced.

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Sonu
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Hello Khoo Hock Leong,

In the concept of combustion, if sun is a benefic planet for the lagna, then the planets which are in combustion will give good results?

In the sameway, if sun is malefic in nature for the lagna, then the planets which are in combustion will give bad results?

Do you have any exact degrees, for the planets to know if they are really combusted?

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Dear Khoo & Astrosonu ji,

if Sun (28.48degree) in Saggitarious & mercury (2.38 degree) in capricon - Is mercury combust ?
If yes, Bad for native? Which field are affected for native ?
( Mercury & Sun both are vergottam )

DOB- 13.01.2007
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regard / Ranjan
Nitin21

No. not combust
ranjan.75 wrote:Dear Khoo & Astrosonu ji,

if Sun (28.48degree) in Saggitarious & mercury (2.38 degree) in capricon - Is mercury combust ?
If yes, Bad for native? Which field are affected for native ?
( Mercury & Sun both are vergottam )

DOB- 13.01.2007
DOT- 01.46 PM
DOP - Delhi.

regard / Ranjan
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Hi:

I have 6 planets combust and one planet aspected by sun. Especially venus is very much combust being in the same star as sun, however I was topper in college studies, I have a PhD and am well versed in music and give music concerts. Though venus is most combust and jupiter debilitated with lowest shadbala, the venus jupiter period was the best which game me my present job, made my family happy and I was asked to teach at my office and also teach music at home and was most respected in both circles. So combustion effects cannot be exactly specified I feel.

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Nitin21

Dear Dev,

Combustion effects vary with degrees and gochar transits of heavy planets like Jup and Saturn. Since I don't have the dates on which you got the success, I would suggest please check Jup Gochar transits during the periods of success. It should either be in Kendra/Trines from AL or Lagna. Saturn for your lagna is malefic so its gochar may create more of troubles than benefits. However, with 6 planets in a house, the effects get transmitted to each other in the order of strengths. So, your horoscope needs a deeper introspection.

Regarding fame and achievements, I am not surprised as you have 6 planets in 11th from AL. 11th house is desires fulfilled. So, every Narayan dasa is supposed to give you something good. :) .

Regarding music venus is not the only planet that gives what you mentioned. It is the Karaka of it. There are many ways to see how you got the musical skills. One of them is the position of your planets from AK in Navamsa. A benefic 5th from it will denote some special skills.

BTW since your Venus is combust to the full, are you married ? if yes, Can you pl give the date !

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Sonu
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Dear Astrosonu,

Thank you for your nice analysis.
Yes I will check the gochar.

Actually I got my job on 1st Feb 1989, my PhD submitted in May 89, went to Germany in June 93 for post doctoral research and so on.
Saturn-sade sathi first one was in fact good and did not have any problems. In fact I got all above things during sade sathi I think. Sat has not troubled me much.

I agree that my horoscope needs a deeper introspection.

Yes, I see that I have 6 planets in 11th from AL and so should help to some extent atleast.

Yes, though venus is the Karaka of music, I understand that other planets also are involved. it. As you say, chandra in 5th in navamsa, mercury in lagna and so on may also be responsible.

Venus is combust to the full.
I remember that I had an engagement in Venus buda or venus ketu bukti, I think it was the former but then after that we cancelled the marriage since the girl had concealed severe health problems. Then I had another engagement in sur mars bukti I think in Feb 99 and then marriage in sur rahu on 23 Aug 99 but this was also cancelled and annulled because the girl concealed health problems and further we had misunderstanding on that. We were not together at all and it was just annulled.
I did not want it to be cancelled but then they insisted, I did not want to go against dharma but then they wanted it.
Dev

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Sonu
Nitin21

Dear Dev,

Venus combustion has given you marriage related issues. It is the feature of deep combustion to give something, only to snatch it away and resulting in despair and frustration. It's not that it will deny. It will give you but take it back away as due to suns rays the combust planets rays are invisible.

I saw the gochar jupiter while in your Venus-Jup Bhukti. At the times you mentioned it was travelling 4 and 7th from AL.

All your planets are not deep combust. Only Venus is. Other planets will give you partial results.

Mercury is not combust at all and is AK and exalted in Navamsa, sitting very strong. It will take care of all the issues in the chart.

I feel it is combustion that has denied full results of the planets in 11th house from AL. Else you would probably not been posting on this forum. Maybe you would be on a holiday in your private mansion in Mauritius :) .. But as i said planets are not fully combust so you will lead a good life anyways.

Only Indrajeet, Ravans son had so many planets in 11th. And he was almost indestructible. It was Shanidev who posed his leg in 12th to be cause of his destruction.

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Sonu
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Dear Astrosonu,

Many thanks for your analysis.

Yes, I understand that Venus combustion has given marriage related issues.

Yes, during Venus-Jup Bhukti gochar was good for Jupiter.

Yes only venus is deep combust.

I am happy that Mercury is not combust especially its being AK and exalted in Navamsa.

Yes, it seems combustion that has denied full results of the planets in 11th house from AL. But as u said planets are not fully combust and I hope I have a good life.

You said Only Indrajeet, Ravans son had so many planets in 11th. And he was almost indestructible. It was Shanidev who posed his leg in 12th to be cause of his destruction.
Anyway I dont want to be indestructible. I only cant tolerate sever injustice done to me and try to fight for it.
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Dev
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God bless you Dev ji. You are a perfect case study for Astroboy. Only Upachayas from lagna and AL :)

Regards
Sonu
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Yes Sonu, thanks for your nice interpretations. Astroboy is a good friend of mine and I love his analysis. And all of you like Astroboy, Ramanan, Khoo etc are doing great service helping me and also others to learn more of this science.

Dev
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Hello members,

Please tell if the planets are in combustion or not?

Body NATAL Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi

Lagna 2 Sc 55' 14.17" Visa 4 Sc
Sun - 28 Sg 34' 16.68" USha 1 Sg
Moon - 2 Sg 12' 02.47" Mool 1 Sg
Mercury (R) 12 Sg 08' 37.04" Mool 4 Sg
Venus - 28 Sg 49' 09.44" USha 1 Sg
Rahu - 27 Sg 00' 14.79" USha 1 Sg

Also pls clarify my doubt in the previous post.

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dear Kilk

Only Venus is combust in your chart but the sun is eclipsed by rahu.

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Respected Gurujis:

What about my combustion of planets in 12th of Mars and sun in Capricorn? What is the result? Sun being the 7th lord and Mars being the 3rd and 10th lord associated with Venus in 10th. In fourth house Gulika, badakesh Venus in 10th and Mars also becomes Badakesh?

Does both these planets burn out here? I am virtually tired and virtually getting lost all my energy due to the problems created by both of these planets.

D.O.B. 22.1.1979 P.O.B. Palghat, Kerala. T.O.B. 9:15 a.m.


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I am glad more members are coming up with Combustion related inputs on this thread. Combustion is the most underrated concept by Modern Astrologers.

Look at your 10th house Narayanji. It is aspected by Exalted Jupiter and occupied by Yogakaraka Venus. Is there any reason why you are suffering due to work related and 3rd house issues ? Why is it that inspite of exalted 10th lord with Simhasana status in Amsa balas, the magnanimity in your work related status is missing ?

Your 10th lord and 3rd Lord is deep deep combust my friend. Jup aspect and Venus placement is keeping you afloat.
Narayan wrote:Respected Gurujis:

What about my combustion of planets in 12th of Mars and sun in Capricorn? What is the result? Sun being the 7th lord and Mars being the 3rd and 10th lord associated with Venus in 10th. In fourth house Gulika, badakesh Venus in 10th and Mars also becomes Badakesh?

Does both these planets burn out here? I am virtually tired and virtually getting lost all my energy due to the problems created by both of these planets.

D.O.B. 22.1.1979 P.O.B. Palghat, Kerala. T.O.B. 9:15 a.m.


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Hello Ramnanji,

'Sun is eclipsed by rahu'

What is the effect of eclipse?

Venus is combusted, so venus looses its power? what is the effect of venus?

Sun is a benefic for Scorpio lagna. So Sun sheds its benefic nature on venus rt?

Pls correct me if Iam worng.

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Astrosonuji,

Pls give your coments also.

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Nitin21

There is no other planet in house where Sun resides. None is combust.

I guess if Ramanan had your birth details, it would be easier to assess for him. He has given this assessment purely on the data you presented.
kllk wrote:Astrosonuji,

Pls give your coments also.

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hello astrosonuji
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Dear Sonuji:

Venus till date has not been at all favorable for me....I think the venus here is Ghost since in 4th house is Gulika and venus becomes badakesh. This ghost is causing lot of problems for me from age 9 or so till date as it has been in and around me, sometimes in the body and sometimes out of the body, can't say when and it is causing hell a lot of issues to the family, especially caused by my father. Really dreadful and poisoning. I have nearly become mad now and lost all my energy because of this ghost. I have not found an answer for this Mohini ghost issue till date as it has so many magic powers under its belt, beyond human powers. This venus the 9th lord has been wearing outside clown and has been cheating me for the last 30 years since I have ever been born by acting pure love, but that was not the case to be when I realized last year. Moreover since in 4th house Gulika is there, it damages all happiness and peacefulness. Even mother is not supportive or accommodative to me like I expect as she cannot see me as a child and she is seeing me as an adult and even she stands with father. So, I have been totally down. No Idea as to what to do.

The venus has not done anything good till date except perfect cheating since venus is neecha in scorpio in association with sun and Mars and due to that we have lost all peacefulness in life. There has not been any support for me from anywhere. Everywhere, especially where we are residing, people think me that I am evil and see me as an enemy plus even bad name for I being so honest and loyal to everybody in this birth. Apart from all this, cheating by outsiders.

Though work related issues arise from time to time whenever Mars go in bad houses for me viz gochara. Regarding the work status, I am magnanimous since I am not fond of money apart from requiring money to just meet the ends. Even the works get affected due to the bad state I am in from all sides...it is really horrible.

You are saying venus is yogakaraka after all this? My goodness to me, but the fact has been otherwise till date. Sonuji, my 4th and 9th Venus is in 10th and hence it is deadly yogakaraka to my father. Everything comes to his hand just because of my upasana and this ghost's help. Without he enquiring, everything will just come to him.

See all yogas are not for me if you see clearly because it starts with Rahu in 7th and Rahu has virtually spoiled everything related to 7th and it is even poisioning the 9th house and virtually trying to damage my 9th house as a ghost and it has given all yogas to the person residing in 12th house and 10th house and not for lagna lord saturn. Saturn has been virtually been eroded like anything. The suffering and pain has been so so so huge that I cant explain it in words for long long long years.

I have not even known till date what a yoga means? You are saying yogakarak.

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Narayanan
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Nitin21

Is this a new born child ? No point in seeing the horoscope Kllk.
kllk wrote:Hello Astrosonuji,

Sun is with 4 other planets. I have given details in the previous posts.

Birth details.
jan-13-2010
2: 51 am
hyderabad, ap

thanks, kllk
Nitin21

Dear Narayanji:

It would help to keep the focus of this thread on Combustion. Please give your inputs on combustion.

Regards
Sonu
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