I mean come on, god is really playing a crazy game. Why I ask????? What does he gain?? Does he realise we suffer sometimes??
Astroboy, I look forward to your reply in particular.
Why does God play this silly game?
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"No one who does good work will ever come to a bad end, either here or in the world to come" Bhagavad Gita
"The mind is everything, what you think, you become" The Buddha
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Honestly, I second that notion.
This game of life is crazy. So many ups and downs.
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This game of life is crazy. So many ups and downs.
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I mean if god just "chilled" and let everyone just float happily in heaven no one would lose out, cos at the
end of the day if he controls everything and surely should be able to let everyone "chill".
Why do I and the other 6,999,999,999 people on this planet have to go through these crazy urges of sex, food and
sleep on top of worries bout money, education, jobs and family. And to top it all off, find measly pleasures in a 2 week
holiday after slaving it out for the whole year doing a job that you don't like.
I ask god, why??????
end of the day if he controls everything and surely should be able to let everyone "chill".
Why do I and the other 6,999,999,999 people on this planet have to go through these crazy urges of sex, food and
sleep on top of worries bout money, education, jobs and family. And to top it all off, find measly pleasures in a 2 week
holiday after slaving it out for the whole year doing a job that you don't like.
I ask god, why??????
"No one who does good work will ever come to a bad end, either here or in the world to come" Bhagavad Gita
"The mind is everything, what you think, you become" The Buddha
"The mind is everything, what you think, you become" The Buddha
Are you kidding, venting or perhaps clueless? The $ystem has been given to us; forced upon us via deception and outright murder. You should've been seeing this corporate/globalist take over of the world...
But man is the/an expression of IT - in every sense of the term. So it's up to us...
So you are right in an indirect sense. And this is why I've never forgotten an old line I read years ago; "the crime of creation".
Fact is, in the kali yuga anyway, it's the elite's utopia and no one else. We have been used down through the ages to unwittingly put them at the top and to remain there, as the ultimate in parasitism.
There are exceptions of course. There are plenty of happy people...yet we think they are happy cause they simply have either funds to fall back on and or good emotional support etc.
My heart goes out to those who have neither.....
But man is the/an expression of IT - in every sense of the term. So it's up to us...
So you are right in an indirect sense. And this is why I've never forgotten an old line I read years ago; "the crime of creation".
Fact is, in the kali yuga anyway, it's the elite's utopia and no one else. We have been used down through the ages to unwittingly put them at the top and to remain there, as the ultimate in parasitism.
There are exceptions of course. There are plenty of happy people...yet we think they are happy cause they simply have either funds to fall back on and or good emotional support etc.
My heart goes out to those who have neither.....
Wow, What a topic to discuss. Yes God is surely the egoistic bigot who wants to play his sadistic games and get a perverse pleasure out of it. But hold on a second, should our ancient texts and philosophies endorse this ?
Our texts are rich with answers, if only we take a peek and care to understand. we have a plethora of scriptures, some which we have used for our convinence, for example Islam and Christianity, classic cases of scriptures where rebirth is denied and only heaven and hell run run their writ. Both religions cannot explain why god plays dice with people and why god is partial to the west while he turns a blind eye to Somalia, as a case in point. This is one sore point which kept me away from God for most of my life. I mean its not that he is going to strike me down if i dont love him right ????
But I was the curious cat, and remember this, A man's troubles start the moment he start's questioning the purpose of his existance. And i was/am in deep trouble. I found a very good answer to my question when I stumbled upon "The law of karma" and the fact of "reincarnation" then it begins to make sense. But ....... the primary question is not answered, " why have this play at all ???"
Let me turn to the Sankya philosophy for some understanding, I quote "The law of Karma" written by "Robert Svoboda",
Now you might think this is all a figment of imagination of some person high on meth. But let us examine the above statement closely. The statement states that the unmainfested form wanted to experience itself, and it also states that each atom of the cosmos including humans contain within it a fragment of that singular consciousness. This means that we are the Microcosm of that Macrocosm. super, now let us see if this theory hold's water.
Look at life. Look at human life in particular. The urge to create is simply irrestible It's like a itch which needs to be scratched and the more we scratch the more we feel good about it. why do we create ? why do we have the urge to have childern and thus populate this earth. We know well that the lesser we create the more resources we have. Look at china which limited the tap 30 odd years back See where they have reached and look at us. Dont go microscopic, look at the larger picture, you have to agree with me that smaller numbers make more sense. The urge to create comes from the very desire of a creator so that a new life may experience life, look up to its creators, make the creators proud with it's achievements and look after it's creators when the need arises. The parents are the creators. they are proud of their creation and expect them to conquer what they could not, have a better life than them and experience a better life than them. This in a nut shell is a egoistic act. Being proud is a basic instinct. I once asked a friend of mine why she decided to have children she said " I wanted to have a child who would be a mix of my husband and me to celebrate our union as man and wife" I nearly fell out of my chair when i heard that. This is when i realised that to experience one's self is the primary motivation factor even in human's.
So the bottom line is simple. We can stop playing this game now and end this world in 120 years because if a child is born at this very moment he will not survive beyond a vimshottari dasha cycle, and if all the children born at this very moment decide not to experience themselves through their progeny then that's the end of the play. It's as simple as that. we hold the power to stop the play, But Nature does not want us to. It's god who started this silly game............ but we continue to play it. We play it even if we cant play it and induce more and more misery into this world. simple as that.
Our texts are rich with answers, if only we take a peek and care to understand. we have a plethora of scriptures, some which we have used for our convinence, for example Islam and Christianity, classic cases of scriptures where rebirth is denied and only heaven and hell run run their writ. Both religions cannot explain why god plays dice with people and why god is partial to the west while he turns a blind eye to Somalia, as a case in point. This is one sore point which kept me away from God for most of my life. I mean its not that he is going to strike me down if i dont love him right ????
But I was the curious cat, and remember this, A man's troubles start the moment he start's questioning the purpose of his existance. And i was/am in deep trouble. I found a very good answer to my question when I stumbled upon "The law of karma" and the fact of "reincarnation" then it begins to make sense. But ....... the primary question is not answered, " why have this play at all ???"
Let me turn to the Sankya philosophy for some understanding, I quote "The law of Karma" written by "Robert Svoboda",
The fact that this singular unmanifested form decided to experience itsself and create individuals which might perceive and know it, smacks of "egoistic behaviour" and that ego is all soaked in his creation. This is true because we are all egoistic in nature. So God is a egoistic god just like we are egoistic because we are after all a part of him"Sankhya sees the universe as a continous evolution from a /" Big Bang" event during which a sense of Separateness developed within a portion of the singularity in a unmanifested form. That portion of the one which sees its'self as seperate is known as "prakriti" and the reminder which remembers that all is one is refered to as "Purusha" or the one reality in unmanifested form. The law of karma comes into effect at the instant Prakriti or nature seperates from Purusha, The first act from which all other acts develop, This is a act motivated it is said by a spontaneously arising desire with the unmanifested form to experience its'self thus producing individuals who might perceive and know it. Each atom of the cosmos contains within it a fragment of that singgular consciousness who desired to experience.
Now you might think this is all a figment of imagination of some person high on meth. But let us examine the above statement closely. The statement states that the unmainfested form wanted to experience itself, and it also states that each atom of the cosmos including humans contain within it a fragment of that singular consciousness. This means that we are the Microcosm of that Macrocosm. super, now let us see if this theory hold's water.
Look at life. Look at human life in particular. The urge to create is simply irrestible It's like a itch which needs to be scratched and the more we scratch the more we feel good about it. why do we create ? why do we have the urge to have childern and thus populate this earth. We know well that the lesser we create the more resources we have. Look at china which limited the tap 30 odd years back See where they have reached and look at us. Dont go microscopic, look at the larger picture, you have to agree with me that smaller numbers make more sense. The urge to create comes from the very desire of a creator so that a new life may experience life, look up to its creators, make the creators proud with it's achievements and look after it's creators when the need arises. The parents are the creators. they are proud of their creation and expect them to conquer what they could not, have a better life than them and experience a better life than them. This in a nut shell is a egoistic act. Being proud is a basic instinct. I once asked a friend of mine why she decided to have children she said " I wanted to have a child who would be a mix of my husband and me to celebrate our union as man and wife" I nearly fell out of my chair when i heard that. This is when i realised that to experience one's self is the primary motivation factor even in human's.
So the bottom line is simple. We can stop playing this game now and end this world in 120 years because if a child is born at this very moment he will not survive beyond a vimshottari dasha cycle, and if all the children born at this very moment decide not to experience themselves through their progeny then that's the end of the play. It's as simple as that. we hold the power to stop the play, But Nature does not want us to. It's god who started this silly game............ but we continue to play it. We play it even if we cant play it and induce more and more misery into this world. simple as that.
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
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Dear Astroboy,
Very good post.
My two cents on this. we question god's motive bcos of the disparity we c around us which at times makes us feel that the earth is in shambles.
try to consider the bigger picture. For all the sufferings which mankind is going through and all the tantrums crafty ppl play on others, the entire volume of the earth's game does not even constitute 0.1% of the total play. The solar system, the universe, the cosmos and the supracosmos are in perfect order. V have never had the oceans spilling out into space despite the fact that the earth is hanging in midair. v have never seen two planets in the same orbit colliding. So, everything is in perfect order. It will take some understanding to see this and accept it.
The rain pours down only to stop and for the sun to scorch. After sometime the rain returns. This is a precious cycle. Unavoidable births, wistful living and inevitable death. This is a vicious cycle. When we learn to stop this vicious cycle we will understand the glory of creation.
The problem is the free-will granted to humanity bcos of god's compassion. Mankind down the ages have beautifully managed to misuse it to the best of their ability and they are still not fed up with it.
The higher beings literally dont have a choice of their own. The sages, the siddhas, the yogis and all the wise men simply obeyed the Order. Implicit obedience is not slavery. It is instant understanding of the only master's lofty and subtle notions. In simple terms, they were a slave and they got saved.
For all its smallness, the earth has managed to create havoc in this otherwise perfect cosmic order. Hence the need for men of calibre to descend down, time and again, to put sense into us and finally get crucified after incurring the wrath of ppl for having revealed the Truth.
Everyone wants a change, a utopia, but nobody is willing to change themselves even a bit.
And about ppl expecting a complete squashing of this game through a pralaya. The word 'pralaya' originated from prakruthi and laya. Prakruthi is nature and laya is change. A change in nature will happen but not destruction.
The beginnings beginning
did not begin
And there shall be
No End.
Regards,
RAMANAN
Very good post.
My two cents on this. we question god's motive bcos of the disparity we c around us which at times makes us feel that the earth is in shambles.
try to consider the bigger picture. For all the sufferings which mankind is going through and all the tantrums crafty ppl play on others, the entire volume of the earth's game does not even constitute 0.1% of the total play. The solar system, the universe, the cosmos and the supracosmos are in perfect order. V have never had the oceans spilling out into space despite the fact that the earth is hanging in midair. v have never seen two planets in the same orbit colliding. So, everything is in perfect order. It will take some understanding to see this and accept it.
The rain pours down only to stop and for the sun to scorch. After sometime the rain returns. This is a precious cycle. Unavoidable births, wistful living and inevitable death. This is a vicious cycle. When we learn to stop this vicious cycle we will understand the glory of creation.
The problem is the free-will granted to humanity bcos of god's compassion. Mankind down the ages have beautifully managed to misuse it to the best of their ability and they are still not fed up with it.
The higher beings literally dont have a choice of their own. The sages, the siddhas, the yogis and all the wise men simply obeyed the Order. Implicit obedience is not slavery. It is instant understanding of the only master's lofty and subtle notions. In simple terms, they were a slave and they got saved.
For all its smallness, the earth has managed to create havoc in this otherwise perfect cosmic order. Hence the need for men of calibre to descend down, time and again, to put sense into us and finally get crucified after incurring the wrath of ppl for having revealed the Truth.
Everyone wants a change, a utopia, but nobody is willing to change themselves even a bit.
And about ppl expecting a complete squashing of this game through a pralaya. The word 'pralaya' originated from prakruthi and laya. Prakruthi is nature and laya is change. A change in nature will happen but not destruction.
The beginnings beginning
did not begin
And there shall be
No End.
Regards,
RAMANAN
Good one Ramanan JI,
I feel that the misery of man is induced because of Meat eating, The more violence you induce to get your food, the more violence you will see in society. Every being we kill for meat and it's products gives the animal the right to be born as a human, because it the law of Nature. The more we eat, then more it will be difficult to control the population of this world. The irresistible urge to reproduce amoungst couples and to fornicate is due to the Tamasic and Rajasic qualities induced by eating meat and meat products. It's as simple as that. Look at the japan for instance, Though they have cut down reproduction they are still into fornication. It all boils down to the karma's of the past in the end. Look at this, America has 6 pct of the world's population but kills 11 billion animals every year. The United States spends over $2.2 trillion on health care each year—almost $8,000 per person. That number represents approximately 16 percent of the total economy and is growing rapidly.
I feel that the misery of man is induced because of Meat eating, The more violence you induce to get your food, the more violence you will see in society. Every being we kill for meat and it's products gives the animal the right to be born as a human, because it the law of Nature. The more we eat, then more it will be difficult to control the population of this world. The irresistible urge to reproduce amoungst couples and to fornicate is due to the Tamasic and Rajasic qualities induced by eating meat and meat products. It's as simple as that. Look at the japan for instance, Though they have cut down reproduction they are still into fornication. It all boils down to the karma's of the past in the end. Look at this, America has 6 pct of the world's population but kills 11 billion animals every year. The United States spends over $2.2 trillion on health care each year—almost $8,000 per person. That number represents approximately 16 percent of the total economy and is growing rapidly.
Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
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Dear Astroboy,
Meat eating is one of the problems. But not the only one. Imagine 30-40 years before pure vegetarians begot children in dozens. Ppl are not prepared to c anything beyond this physical realm which seems very practical to them. But, reality is quite different. Ppl have not cared to differentiate between their intellect and conscience.
Conscience is something like a big brother coming to the fore only when u r about to do something wrong. Never does conscience give a pat on ur back for any of ur good deeds. Intellect is different. It boosts ur ego more than anything else. U do a small good it makes u feel like God and when u do a misdeed it helps to rationalise it. If conscience is unearthed and respected the world will be a much better place to live. And if the same conscience is overrided a few times it dies once and for all leaving u to ur despondent fate.
Regards,
RAMANAN
Meat eating is one of the problems. But not the only one. Imagine 30-40 years before pure vegetarians begot children in dozens. Ppl are not prepared to c anything beyond this physical realm which seems very practical to them. But, reality is quite different. Ppl have not cared to differentiate between their intellect and conscience.
Conscience is something like a big brother coming to the fore only when u r about to do something wrong. Never does conscience give a pat on ur back for any of ur good deeds. Intellect is different. It boosts ur ego more than anything else. U do a small good it makes u feel like God and when u do a misdeed it helps to rationalise it. If conscience is unearthed and respected the world will be a much better place to live. And if the same conscience is overrided a few times it dies once and for all leaving u to ur despondent fate.
Regards,
RAMANAN
Good point Ramanan ji, I only wanted to add that in those times that out of 11 only 2 survived. Also note that everything was manual then and the times were different. my father had 3 sisters and 2 brothers, my father had 3 and we three have non , so that is the end of 1 line. out of the 3 sisters two became Nun's and gave themselves to God. 1 had 3 those 3 have 3. Out of the brothers the 2 had 5 and the 5 had 5 so you see that its not rising in the same propotion. The times were different in those days. now 2 is a pain for a middle class family, while a labourer has 7. The irony of life. My cousin is a multimillionare but has no kids, he feels it's a burden on this earth. and that it's a sin to reproduce in times like this.
Also note that everything was manual then and the times were different. my father had 3 sisters and 2 brothers, my father had 3 and we three have non , so that is the end of 1 line. out of the 3 sisters two became Nun's and gave themselves to God. 1 had 3 those 3 have 3. Out of the brothers the 2 had 5 and the 5 had 5 so you see that its not rising in the same propotion. The times were different in those days. now 2 is a pain for a middle class family, while a labourer has 7. The irony of life. My cousin is a multimillionare but has no kids, he feels it's a burden on this earth. and that it's a sin to reproduce in times like this. Through hard work and spiritual practices, a person gets honor and dignity. The lazy one who puts in no efforts is like a fool who allows salt to be spilled on the wounds of his misfortunes. The idler depending only on fate, achieves nothing. - K.N.Rao ji
However, IMO, this question will continue to be unanswered, atleast for those who are part of the system/process/etc.
We can say that, this is due to one or the other reason/factor/attribute/quality/conciousness etc., but the question remains, at least to me and will always probably - why something exists with such quality/thought/conciousness whether manifested or not. And, the reason/intelligence/information embedded into something(micro or macro) either for creating/sustaining/destructing individually or collectively is still part of the larger system. As the larger system is contour-less both at gross and subtle levels, the WHYs of existence IMO cannot be answered. So, where is the origin of desire/ego?
May be the answer lies in the QUALITY of time and space. While we cannot remove creativity/desire, it can only be controlled, or at best directed well with the help of time and space.
Probably, the creativity/desire could be well controlled/refined (for each of us, indvidually), only when one understands the quality of time and space - pray to vishweshwara - i.e. everthingness within and without.
Off topic - i dont recollect the story/reason why Brahma is not worshiped in the present times - but look at the quality of time/space we are in - 4th quarter of the yuga cycle - the things available to create something including knowledge and material would be of such poor quality that any thing created out of it will only be poor product and will only lead to destruction of the created things. May be the present time/space should not be used for Creation and instead spent on sustaining what ever is created - and probably the reason why we pray mostly Vishnu for sustenance or Shiva for not annihilating.
Every thought is equally valid, but from a point of veiw, as each thought comes from the same system.
Thanks & Regards
Sridhar
We can say that, this is due to one or the other reason/factor/attribute/quality/conciousness etc., but the question remains, at least to me and will always probably - why something exists with such quality/thought/conciousness whether manifested or not. And, the reason/intelligence/information embedded into something(micro or macro) either for creating/sustaining/destructing individually or collectively is still part of the larger system. As the larger system is contour-less both at gross and subtle levels, the WHYs of existence IMO cannot be answered. So, where is the origin of desire/ego?
May be the answer lies in the QUALITY of time and space. While we cannot remove creativity/desire, it can only be controlled, or at best directed well with the help of time and space.
Probably, the creativity/desire could be well controlled/refined (for each of us, indvidually), only when one understands the quality of time and space - pray to vishweshwara - i.e. everthingness within and without.
Off topic - i dont recollect the story/reason why Brahma is not worshiped in the present times - but look at the quality of time/space we are in - 4th quarter of the yuga cycle - the things available to create something including knowledge and material would be of such poor quality that any thing created out of it will only be poor product and will only lead to destruction of the created things. May be the present time/space should not be used for Creation and instead spent on sustaining what ever is created - and probably the reason why we pray mostly Vishnu for sustenance or Shiva for not annihilating.
Every thought is equally valid, but from a point of veiw, as each thought comes from the same system.
Thanks & Regards
Sridhar
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This world contains everything for everyone. The choice is ours what we want to take. There is a CD stall that sells porn movies and Religious CDS, the choice is ours in which direction do we wwant to motivate ourselves and contribute to the creation of almighty. There is work that tells rob people and earn money and there is another that tells use your intellect or Body to earn per your capacity honestly and righteously. the choice is completely ours. There is food for everyone. Some eat beef, meat etc and some are pure vegetarians. the choice is ours what we eat and regulate our thought process. There is a tax system in place to pay appropriate taxes and abide by the good karma and there are options to look for loopholes and slip in the blackmoney. The choice is ours what we pick and be happy about.
My question to members here is.. Is it God who plays this silly Game ? OR Is it US who are hell bent on destablizing this beautiful creation ?
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We talk about God as if we are equal to his stature and can take him out to movies and criticize and laugh with the almighty as a fellow friend. We the most intellectual souls believe that we have right to do God bashing once there is something wrong in our lives. Where as the fact is that God is impartial. He is devoid of all durgunas and comprises of all Gunas. When we read Bhagvad Gita, Lord Krishna tells I am Vyasa among Rishis and I am Arjun among warriors and list goes on. This effectively means that the Lord manifests in the best and perfect of the forms. So how can he be responsible for this mess ? The almighty gave us a platform and WE THE PEOPLE disfigured it with our own Karma.
He is controller of everything yet he is not formed of Tamas and Rajo gunas but only Satva Guna. Inspite of this The Lord controls the Tamas and Rajo via delegation without himself being part of it.
So, let's not abuse ourselves and create a layer between our Bimba(Body) and Pratibimba(Soul). So, long as we keep these seperate self realization cannot come. Let us pray the almighty and request the Lord to always stay in our "Hriday Akash" ( The center point between Chest and abdomen which is the entire universe in the body). Once the request is made with full faith and is accepted such discussions will cease to exist.
My humble two cents.
Regards
Sonu
My question to members here is.. Is it God who plays this silly Game ? OR Is it US who are hell bent on destablizing this beautiful creation ?
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We talk about God as if we are equal to his stature and can take him out to movies and criticize and laugh with the almighty as a fellow friend. We the most intellectual souls believe that we have right to do God bashing once there is something wrong in our lives. Where as the fact is that God is impartial. He is devoid of all durgunas and comprises of all Gunas. When we read Bhagvad Gita, Lord Krishna tells I am Vyasa among Rishis and I am Arjun among warriors and list goes on. This effectively means that the Lord manifests in the best and perfect of the forms. So how can he be responsible for this mess ? The almighty gave us a platform and WE THE PEOPLE disfigured it with our own Karma.
He is controller of everything yet he is not formed of Tamas and Rajo gunas but only Satva Guna. Inspite of this The Lord controls the Tamas and Rajo via delegation without himself being part of it.
So, let's not abuse ourselves and create a layer between our Bimba(Body) and Pratibimba(Soul). So, long as we keep these seperate self realization cannot come. Let us pray the almighty and request the Lord to always stay in our "Hriday Akash" ( The center point between Chest and abdomen which is the entire universe in the body). Once the request is made with full faith and is accepted such discussions will cease to exist.
My humble two cents.
Regards
Sonu
magicmouse wrote:I mean if god just "chilled" and let everyone just float happily in heaven no one would lose out, cos at the
end of the day if he controls everything and surely should be able to let everyone "chill".
Why do I and the other 6,999,999,999 people on this planet have to go through these crazy urges of sex, food and
sleep on top of worries bout money, education, jobs and family. And to top it all off, find measly pleasures in a 2 week
holiday after slaving it out for the whole year doing a job that you don't like.
I ask god, why??????
I think a very good way to see the problem is understanding it from a different perspective.
We suffer because we don't realize that we are part of god. We are not something separate but our ego is curtain which makes us feel this way.
In fact each one of is manifestation of god.
God creates this 'maya' for his entertainment. Through his will he covers the consciousness by the curtain of ego. He produces multiplicity from unity and then suffers and enjoys through each one of us.
I gleaned this knowledge from "Gospels of Sri Ramakrishna"
Thanks
Adi
We suffer because we don't realize that we are part of god. We are not something separate but our ego is curtain which makes us feel this way.
In fact each one of is manifestation of god.
God creates this 'maya' for his entertainment. Through his will he covers the consciousness by the curtain of ego. He produces multiplicity from unity and then suffers and enjoys through each one of us.
I gleaned this knowledge from "Gospels of Sri Ramakrishna"
Thanks
Adi
Consider the line, "God burned his bridges". That is, after the Involutionary process of spirit manifesting in(to) matter. IF so, We are (now) IT...so as mentioned, it's up to us.
Evolution - Nature - was and is cruel...WE are the one's bringing light and ethics to it.
If it wasn't for eating meat in the distant past, we might not be here today. Science has recently demonstrated that grains aren't all that healthy after all. I've read that the human digestive system wasn't even designed to digest grains. Today, it should be spelled grain$. I haven't bought a loaf of bread in over a decade....which doesn't mean I'm big on meat. I (attractive) eat it and have been celibate for 26 years.
In any case, all this must be evidence we aren't the center of things. Things go on... it's a jungle down here as well as various realms over there.
I realized folks need to know Why it's good to do good (etc). Not simply because they read it or were forced to sit through a sermon etc. They say a kingdom divided cannot thrive. Simple as that?
A holographic cosmic organism of oneness. Ok, but what about sani and kuja etc? IT or Us needs the "dark" aspects for balance (in this realm of duality) ...or is this kabbalistic thinking? Ha.
We are afloat in an evolutionary process... boon and bane. This is why the elites do what they do.
So in the end, as far as it seems, when we pray we are in effect praying to our own higher self. Any God...is this underlying background quantum field of creative potential. Not a self aware conscious judge...that is us.
This is why the old magickal systems invoked celestial forces (or evoked terrestial forces). That is, not God...but those higher evolved beings so called archangels etc. I'll theoretically agree that God is far removed...
But I use the term Great Spirit in my little morning devotions. But it still seems to be my own higher self which follows up on my imploring.
Let's not be fooled by labels. My Real name is " ".
Evolution - Nature - was and is cruel...WE are the one's bringing light and ethics to it.
If it wasn't for eating meat in the distant past, we might not be here today. Science has recently demonstrated that grains aren't all that healthy after all. I've read that the human digestive system wasn't even designed to digest grains. Today, it should be spelled grain$. I haven't bought a loaf of bread in over a decade....which doesn't mean I'm big on meat. I (attractive) eat it and have been celibate for 26 years.
In any case, all this must be evidence we aren't the center of things. Things go on... it's a jungle down here as well as various realms over there.
I realized folks need to know Why it's good to do good (etc). Not simply because they read it or were forced to sit through a sermon etc. They say a kingdom divided cannot thrive. Simple as that?
A holographic cosmic organism of oneness. Ok, but what about sani and kuja etc? IT or Us needs the "dark" aspects for balance (in this realm of duality) ...or is this kabbalistic thinking? Ha.
We are afloat in an evolutionary process... boon and bane. This is why the elites do what they do.
So in the end, as far as it seems, when we pray we are in effect praying to our own higher self. Any God...is this underlying background quantum field of creative potential. Not a self aware conscious judge...that is us.
This is why the old magickal systems invoked celestial forces (or evoked terrestial forces). That is, not God...but those higher evolved beings so called archangels etc. I'll theoretically agree that God is far removed...
But I use the term Great Spirit in my little morning devotions. But it still seems to be my own higher self which follows up on my imploring.
Let's not be fooled by labels. My Real name is " ".
Well, if we agree that God exists, then we also agree that God knows all. No point believing in a half-baked God 
. In that case the very question ‘why does he play silly games’ is in itself contradictory. The all-knowing God would naturally know how to conduct his business and who are we, mere mortals, to question his modes operand i. Just Get on with it . If on the other hand we don’t believe in his existence, we can throw a thousand questions at people who believe God exists
. In that case the very question ‘why does he play silly games’ is in itself contradictory. The all-knowing God would naturally know how to conduct his business and who are we, mere mortals, to question his modes operand i. Just Get on with it . If on the other hand we don’t believe in his existence, we can throw a thousand questions at people who believe God exists
I know this discussion will get us nowhere but still my last words on it . God wouldn’t be God if we were to even get a sniff of what his designs are, let alone unravel the maze he has created of which we are probably a minuscule, insignificant part. Being kind, being transparent, thankful, grateful, justice, equality, being democratic et al are all qualities we humans think as great and God need not necessarily think that way. For all we know maybe he couldn’t care less if we earthlings enjoyed or suffered (by our human standards not his). We think these qualities are great only because that’s the only way we could all live a long and healthy life without much friction between us. Again, this applies only if you accept there is a God and He is Mighty, Powerful and knows all.
. God wouldn’t be God if we were to even get a sniff of what his designs are, let alone unravel the maze he has created of which we are probably a minuscule, insignificant part. Being kind, being transparent, thankful, grateful, justice, equality, being democratic et al are all qualities we humans think as great and God need not necessarily think that way. For all we know maybe he couldn’t care less if we earthlings enjoyed or suffered (by our human standards not his). We think these qualities are great only because that’s the only way we could all live a long and healthy life without much friction between us. Again, this applies only if you accept there is a God and He is Mighty, Powerful and knows all.Ancient Creation Myths - Uncorrupted by subsequent religious institutions - reveal the process and the nature of Spirit.
This thread simply reveals the fact the the latter traditions wiped this knowledge from mass awareness....
It may be safe to say GOD Is that one vast holographic organism. All. Fine...
But we are IT's expressions; we are IT Incarnated. It's that simple - Involution (of Spirit into matter) > Evolution (the Return of). That's Why there's psychism, magick and all the rest. It's this underlying ocean of conscious energy. It probably underlies Prana itself...
As you know, Everything is composed of this underlying energy. That is the ultimate end point and you won't find a guy with long white hair anywhere in there.
So again, when we pray we are really praying (etc) to our own Higher Self...which is closer to that higher density (ocean of pure conscious energy) sometimes called 7th or 8th Density ("heaven").
It's still a holographic Whole however; Each Realm Needs the other to function in Completeness. It completes a circuit.
In another light, we are like cells (kinda like neurotransmitters imo) of Gaia or the Earth's Spirit.
So there's pain and pleasure in our land of duality. It happens because WE are playing the Game. Man, is the one to put labels on things and events.
WE Make morals etc.... There was and is nothing moral in cold hard old time evolution and or the law of the jungle.
WE bring a little (he)art to it.
I think confusion is due to dualities. This "here and there" thing. Can't forget Everything is composed of that Same underlying energy. Right Now.... Get it?
So it's up to US.
I suppose some may be thinking of Pre destiny and the Script. If so, then there's nothing to remedial measures... you are just going through the motions.
Maybe I'll follow up on this last thought if I don't get flamed.
This thread simply reveals the fact the the latter traditions wiped this knowledge from mass awareness....
It may be safe to say GOD Is that one vast holographic organism. All. Fine...
But we are IT's expressions; we are IT Incarnated. It's that simple - Involution (of Spirit into matter) > Evolution (the Return of). That's Why there's psychism, magick and all the rest. It's this underlying ocean of conscious energy. It probably underlies Prana itself...
As you know, Everything is composed of this underlying energy. That is the ultimate end point and you won't find a guy with long white hair anywhere in there.
So again, when we pray we are really praying (etc) to our own Higher Self...which is closer to that higher density (ocean of pure conscious energy) sometimes called 7th or 8th Density ("heaven").
It's still a holographic Whole however; Each Realm Needs the other to function in Completeness. It completes a circuit.
In another light, we are like cells (kinda like neurotransmitters imo) of Gaia or the Earth's Spirit.
So there's pain and pleasure in our land of duality. It happens because WE are playing the Game. Man, is the one to put labels on things and events.
WE Make morals etc.... There was and is nothing moral in cold hard old time evolution and or the law of the jungle.
WE bring a little (he)art to it.
I think confusion is due to dualities. This "here and there" thing. Can't forget Everything is composed of that Same underlying energy. Right Now.... Get it?
So it's up to US.
I suppose some may be thinking of Pre destiny and the Script. If so, then there's nothing to remedial measures... you are just going through the motions.
Maybe I'll follow up on this last thought if I don't get flamed.
Dear Vox,
IMO
You said-
"As you know, Everything is composed of this underlying energy."
I tend to think the same way.
However,
You said that - WE play, WE make, We label ....
So, what do you think is the trigger for all this, AT THE FIRST INSTANCE, in the background of eternity(eternal journey) whether in manifest and unmanifest state. Is it ever possible to get to fully understand WHY we ever did anything ?
I would only think and accept the Dependency on the Underlying energy(we can name it whatever). So, we have a QUALITY(nature) that is inherent and unique to each of us (may be some will have similar quality, qualitatively and quantitately similar/dissimilar and for that reason can be categorized into category ABC..N). Though we are qualitatively and quantitatively SOMETHING but need and DEPEND on something ELSE which is underlying US/everything. So, I feel ONCE dependent is ALWAYS dependent.
So, I always look up to and seek support of the OTHER/SOMETHING ELSE on which I depend for my every actions/inactions DEPENDING on my inherent nature (NOT MY EXISTENCE, as I EXIST ALWAYS). The support I seek from the OTHER/SOMETHING ELSE reflects my inherenet nature.
Though, I tend to agree that I make, I play, I do everthing that i do, I cannot without that OTHER underlying energy. I aleast, as of now, cannot imagine My existence standalone without resting on the underlying energy.
Thanks & Regards
Sridhar
IMO
You said-
"As you know, Everything is composed of this underlying energy."
I tend to think the same way.
However,
You said that - WE play, WE make, We label ....
So, what do you think is the trigger for all this, AT THE FIRST INSTANCE, in the background of eternity(eternal journey) whether in manifest and unmanifest state. Is it ever possible to get to fully understand WHY we ever did anything ?
I would only think and accept the Dependency on the Underlying energy(we can name it whatever). So, we have a QUALITY(nature) that is inherent and unique to each of us (may be some will have similar quality, qualitatively and quantitately similar/dissimilar and for that reason can be categorized into category ABC..N). Though we are qualitatively and quantitatively SOMETHING but need and DEPEND on something ELSE which is underlying US/everything. So, I feel ONCE dependent is ALWAYS dependent.
So, I always look up to and seek support of the OTHER/SOMETHING ELSE on which I depend for my every actions/inactions DEPENDING on my inherent nature (NOT MY EXISTENCE, as I EXIST ALWAYS). The support I seek from the OTHER/SOMETHING ELSE reflects my inherenet nature.
Though, I tend to agree that I make, I play, I do everthing that i do, I cannot without that OTHER underlying energy. I aleast, as of now, cannot imagine My existence standalone without resting on the underlying energy.
Thanks & Regards
Sridhar
Dear Mahesh,
You Said
"But, I wonder how many, at least in this forum, have really seen God and His style of
functioning directly? (If so, it is worth sharing that info to every body who questions.
If that direct info is avaialble, I am sure atleast some of the present assumptions
would be surprisingly wrong.)"
IMO, we all have and ARE seeing GOD and his fuctioning directly. MAY BE a Lower/Lesser form of GOD or his "Lower Functioning".
IMO, those who are seeking to experience the GOD/Whatever Name, are ONLY trying to see/experience his NEXT better/higher form compared to the one which they are experiencing, which will depend on the seeker's direction of journey.
Or,
Can I ask myself what form of GOD will make me accept the form as GOD? This probably can help us in our journey.
Thanks & Regards
Sridhar
You Said
"But, I wonder how many, at least in this forum, have really seen God and His style of
functioning directly? (If so, it is worth sharing that info to every body who questions.
If that direct info is avaialble, I am sure atleast some of the present assumptions
would be surprisingly wrong.)"
IMO, we all have and ARE seeing GOD and his fuctioning directly. MAY BE a Lower/Lesser form of GOD or his "Lower Functioning".
IMO, those who are seeking to experience the GOD/Whatever Name, are ONLY trying to see/experience his NEXT better/higher form compared to the one which they are experiencing, which will depend on the seeker's direction of journey.
Or,
Can I ask myself what form of GOD will make me accept the form as GOD? This probably can help us in our journey.
Thanks & Regards
Sridhar
Dear Mahesh,
You have quoted only half of the sentence. The full sentence would convey little more of what I wanted to say.
[quote] This realization and visibility is restricted to that individual only but not for people around.
It sounds like a mystery and nothing can be verified by a second person on practical plane.[/quote]
IMO, what you said above is the whole point. IMO, there is no need for another to verifiy my experiences to make it real. Realization comes out of experience and it will be different for each individual. One cannot make another live his experience or make another express their expressions. At best, someone else can have similar experience and expression. To me, imagniation is also an experience hence, real.
How do you measure sorrow, pain, happiness etc. Or can we say that its not existing/experienced because the same cannot be perceived exactly the same way as the other or because it cannot be measured on an accepted physically visible scale.
All great souls have giving us their experiences and expressions. My experiences need not be the same/similar to that of others. However, as I evolve, the chances that my experiences(only if the god/whatever wants me to experience) are similar will be high/certain because what is experienced by them is still the same but at a different time and space.
IMO, its all about various energies, its attributes, our understanding and interaction with them, our acceptance of such energies as something we depend always upon, developing our ability to retreive and channelize such energies repeatedly to acheive our next desired experience. And then, packaging and giving it a name and form(if required), for ease of use.
At the end of the day, we can customize gods, if you so desire. He will not mind. Its all up to us. But, I prefer to use legacy that is left for us all.
Thanks & Regards
Sridhar
Can I ask myself what form of GOD will make me accept the form as GOD?
You have quoted only half of the sentence. The full sentence would convey little more of what I wanted to say.
[quote] This realization and visibility is restricted to that individual only but not for people around.
It sounds like a mystery and nothing can be verified by a second person on practical plane.[/quote]
IMO, what you said above is the whole point. IMO, there is no need for another to verifiy my experiences to make it real. Realization comes out of experience and it will be different for each individual. One cannot make another live his experience or make another express their expressions. At best, someone else can have similar experience and expression. To me, imagniation is also an experience hence, real.
How do you measure sorrow, pain, happiness etc. Or can we say that its not existing/experienced because the same cannot be perceived exactly the same way as the other or because it cannot be measured on an accepted physically visible scale.
All great souls have giving us their experiences and expressions. My experiences need not be the same/similar to that of others. However, as I evolve, the chances that my experiences(only if the god/whatever wants me to experience) are similar will be high/certain because what is experienced by them is still the same but at a different time and space.
IMO, its all about various energies, its attributes, our understanding and interaction with them, our acceptance of such energies as something we depend always upon, developing our ability to retreive and channelize such energies repeatedly to acheive our next desired experience. And then, packaging and giving it a name and form(if required), for ease of use.
At the end of the day, we can customize gods, if you so desire. He will not mind. Its all up to us. But, I prefer to use legacy that is left for us all.
Thanks & Regards
Sridhar
Can I ask myself what form of GOD will make me accept the form as GOD?
Let me share an experience. I was tuned into the "zone" which seemed to have been an OBE or lucid dream (direct from the waking state). I was "there", floating body-less in that sea of electric blue-ish white light, all knowing and in a kind of perpetual ecstasy.
The one major question going through my "mind" was whether to...(re) incarnate or not. There's the obvious pull for tangible sensations....
And as the channeled entities called Cassiopaeans said, "Play in the mud and you'll get dirty".
Something... as to Nothing... or rather something more.
This reflects the role of creative energy itself as well. It just does what it does. Create for the hell of it.
I myself think sacred geometry is revealing in all this. Like the Torus...
From zero point to the expansion outwards and back. This is the cosmological model.
Thus, unfortunately perhaps, we are dragged along with it's role or game....
The one major question going through my "mind" was whether to...(re) incarnate or not. There's the obvious pull for tangible sensations....
And as the channeled entities called Cassiopaeans said, "Play in the mud and you'll get dirty".
Something... as to Nothing... or rather something more.
This reflects the role of creative energy itself as well. It just does what it does. Create for the hell of it.
I myself think sacred geometry is revealing in all this. Like the Torus...
From zero point to the expansion outwards and back. This is the cosmological model.
Thus, unfortunately perhaps, we are dragged along with it's role or game....
