Astroboy ..SOSO....PLEASE REPLY ATLEAST ONCE...CAREER

[indyan]

That is all I wanted to say about my belief in "Destiny is predestined", which these days has become a line people tag me with but don't know what I reall mean when I say it.

Atleast i believe you and feel the same. I even dont want that anybody accept this truth coz I think KNOWLEDGE BRINGS FEAR
Well basab ji, I am really happy to find atleast one person who think the same way, the replies which we are got is not surprising for me and i think for you too. Whenever i told this to anyone kind/knowledgeable person he/she just denied it. and gave me lots of stories but i dont feel satisfied from anyone of them.
The strawberry story which you posted in your above post was really an eye opening for those who dont believe in destiny. BUT they must be afraid of accepting the truth or dont want to be against the crowd.
My mama ji (Uncle) is a dowzer and he have that much command over it that he can even move magnet with his commands. Anything which i ask he give me answer but in some hidden words. There are lots of stories which i know and experienced. He dont need horoscope to tell anyones future.Just ask with the native name and the native whole life is there infront of him.
If destiny is not predestined then how come mama ji (or other such people) can predict those things almost 10-20 years back?

Lots of questions and lots of stories and lots of answers too. I dont want anyone to be defensive or offensive here. Its just our thought. No one need to accept it or ignore it. Its just a thought which i/we shared here. If someone felt bad then i am really sorry for it.

Respect and regards, to all the learned members of forum

[sonali.shah]

Dear Basab,

Yup, Aal izz well

No, I don't recall ever telling you that I was in shares.
I'll send you my birth details via PM.

Regards,

SS

Sonali,

It's not "All is well", but "Aal izz well". Hehe... By the way, are you into shares? I can't remember correctly, but I think, it was you who had said sometime back that you were into shares. And do pass me your birth details if it's not a problem: I would like to check your chart, to understand it: whether it was free will or God's will: the reason for your success in life. Lagna lord debiliated doesn't always mean failure in life. 10th house of career and 9th house of fortune and 11th house of achievements and a lot of things should be checked. And then, lagna lord can be strong in the navamsha, which will give it some strength.

[sonali.shah]

Dear Astroboy,

Thanks much for the analysis. I am glad that it is now resolved from the Asc

Best Regards,
SS

Good day to you all,

Milred JI, Chaks JI and Sonali ji, Thanks a lot for your kind words. It means a lot to me. Thanks once again.

Sonali ji, If you are dumb, then I am retarded. . You have a very tricky horoscope. It makes sense both from the moon lagna and the asc. But i will analyse this horoscope purely from the lagna. , with the help of Yoga's.

Let us first see how Shukra get's his Neeecha Bhanga . There is real meaning to your Neecha Bhanga as we shall see, Shukra get's neecha bhanga in 4 different way's

1. The debilitated planet exchanges houses with its debilitation lord. (Budha)
2. The debilitated planet is associated with or aspected by its exaltation lord (Guru)
3. The exaltation lord of the debilitated planet is in a Kendra from Moon.(Guru)
4. The exaltation lord of the debilitated planet is in a Kendra from Lagna.

People talk about Rahu in the 3rd leading to a Raja Yoga. But why ? The answer lies in the true nature of Rahu. Rahu is the 3rd house. The 3rd house is a house of " self Improvement, great prowess, physicalstrength, perseverance power and the conscious mind."

Rahu is a man of greed. if Ketu is detachment then Rahu is Desire. Rahu is always working overtime, trying to receive validation in an entitled role for which He thinks he is qualified.
He wants everything to be his. When he sits in the 3rd he aspects the 9th house of "Affluence, Higher studies, foreign travel, crowning achievements and the acme of perfection." Rahu induces a frenzy to aim for the best. The person will use his "free will" to break the shackles and fetters imposed by the planets.

A Maha-Parivartana Yoga occurs when The Lagna lord exchanges houses with the 2nd lord, and the 5th lord, This combination promises wealth, status and physical enjoyments, plus beneficial influences from the houses involved. But since the lagna lord is Neecha the person has to use extreme effort to get the fruits promised by this yoga.

The Ruchaka yoga is intensely powerful be cause he is in Budha's nakshatra and is strong in the shad bala. (Budha and Kuja are compound Friends here ) This Kuja casts his aspect on Chandra as well as the lagna. This is why I used the word intense. Kuja induces a extraodinary desire for sports and fitness, everything becomes a challenge and a "must win" situation is created in the natives mind. The person thus driven will use her "free will" to prove to her self that she is the best. Lagna lord when debilitated induces the person with a extraodinary need to prove to herself that she is the best. Morale is at a all time low but free will comes into play and the person will use it to boost her morale up day in and day out.

As far as sucess and wealth goes a Kalanidhi Yoga is produced when Jupiter is located in the 2nd or the 5th house, occupying the signs of Mercury and Venus. This yoga is strong because Guru aspects the 11th house of income. The person is wealthy, learned, virtuous, healthy, undaunted and given to sensual pleasures. Remember that this yoga is blemished due to the presence of a Neecha planet in the house producing the yoga. But its not Null and Void because Guru is simultaniously participating in the Neecha Bhanga Raja yoga.

Your Ill health is due to the Dainya Parivartana Yoga caused by the 6th house lord exchanging houses with the the 2nd lord. this leads to persistent trouble from opponents, and ill health.

Trust this help's

[Basab]

Atleast i believe you and feel the same. I even dont want that anybody accept this truth coz I think KNOWLEDGE BRINGS FEAR
Well basab ji, I am really happy to find atleast one person who think the same way, the replies which we are got is not surprising for me and i think for you too. Whenever i told this to anyone kind/knowledgeable person he/she just denied it. and gave me lots of stories but i dont feel satisfied from anyone of them.
The strawberry story which you posted in your above post was really an eye opening for those who dont believe in destiny. BUT they must be afraid of accepting the truth or dont want to be against the crowd.

Thanks Indyan: I was feeling really isolated here, now it's much better, quite a relief actually, knowing somenone has the same belief as I do. Yes, it was no surprise to me, that people would not like to believe in my (our) belief, and you are right, that we shouldn't try to change anyone's belief. I think you are right, that everyone gets scared to accept this that nothing is in their hands--they want to have full control over their life.

About the strawberry story, I don't know whether it had any impact here because I didn't get any reply from the believers of free will here.

My mama ji (Uncle) is a dowzer and he have that much command over it that he can even move magnet with his commands. Anything which i ask he give me answer but in some hidden words. There are lots of stories which i know and experienced. He dont need horoscope to tell anyones future.Just ask with the native name and the native whole life is there infront of him.
If destiny is not predestined then how come mama ji (or other such people) can predict those things almost 10-20 years back?

It's really amazing, the powers your Mamaji has.

[Basab]

Thanks Tanivi.

Basab, I'm glad to see a new optimism in your writing!

[lovacrs]

Dear Basab,

[quote]About the strawberry story, I don't know whether it had any impact here because didn't get any reply from the believers of free will here.[/quote]

I am a firm believer of destiny too. The reason why I kept away from this discussion was to avoid further confusion. This is the proverbial umpteenth post in umpteenth forum that Fate vs Freewill discussion got done and no prizes for guessing that this will not be the last

In general discussions centre around examples of people who can be categorised into the following:

1. Those who achieved what they set out after lot of struggle - Not surprisingly they swear by freewill (every "success" is also a "failure" - If you are Sachin Tnedulkar you are not Tiger Woods. Cricket lovers may call Tiger Woods (excluding his off-course performance) a failure ....)
2. Those who reached a point and suddenly saw people around them appluading. i.e, they were so lucky that they reached a place coveted by many - Not surpising again that they believe in fate. (debatable whether they would have reached even more coveted positions had they worked hard or did they do themselves a favour by not working hard )
3. Those who set out to achieve something but failed - They also believe in fate (for each successful hard working Jordan there will be many more failed players who worked equally or even harder. Remember it is lonely at the top spot!)
4. Those who did not make any effort nor achieved anything - They are easily categorized as fatalistic and loathe to making effort. If you are not this type, you should actually try being so to realize it is not easy. In other words while being active may take no effort for the mercurial, being laid back is not within their "Freewill". Just telll him to do "Shavaasana" for 10 minutes every day and he will immediately come around and say that is not his freewill. If yo ask him "Fine, tell me what you can do for ten minutes each day without fail for the next 100 days?", he will immediately jump up and say "My freewill changes every day and I dont will it in advance"

We rarely realize that to make an effort is not an option. It is inevitable. For e.g, writing this post and restraining myself from writing this post both call for effort.

For believers in epics (if not the stories, the lessons that we can learn from them) I always quote the example ofone key incident of Sri Rama's life that I believe supports Fate. It is the story of sage Gauthama and his wife Ahilya. Many years before Sri Rama was born, Gauthama had mentioned that Ahilya will get vimochan when Sri Rama come to forests for Vana Vaas. On the other hand we may feel that Sri Rama's decision to "opt" for Vana Vaas was an exercise of his freewill.

[purohits]

Dear CRS ji,

You have written a nice post.

My thoughts: I guess there is a very thin line between the two points of view or may be there is no line at all. not sure how to put it words.

I think, being part of the system, we will have limited horizon to have an view/understanding of overall scheme, and to get the overview of the scheme of things, we need to be outside of the system. I dont know if it ever possible for anyone, being part of the system to be outside the system at any point of time(with or without moksha), WHEN we define the system(gross/subtle/other) as endless in form/nature/etc.

I would like to say that, for myself, i would eternally be confused in this regard.

Thanks & Regards

Sridhar

[purohits]

Dear CRS Ji,

About active or inactive:
I agree with you completely.

The way i see it is, there is no state of inactiveness at any level. To sit tight, it takes effort. to not do anything takes effort. At the lowest level of anything two things latch of to each other. If ever inactivity is true, then there will not be any existence at all because there will not be anything.

So, the intelligence is precoded in everything to stickon or not to stickon based on certain other information a thing receives.

I am sure, i am not clear in explaining my thoughts.

Thanks & Regards

Sridhar

[Basab]

No Sonali, you didn't tell me. You wrote to someone else that you check shares, and so thought of asking you as I am into it too. Thanks for the birth details.

Dear Basab,

Yup, Aal izz well

No, I don't recall ever telling you that I was in shares.
I'll send you my birth details via PM.

[lovacrs]

Talking about sports and achievements here is what Arthur Ash apparently said:

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Arthur Ashe, the legendary Wimbledon player was dying of AIDS which he got due to infected blood he received during a heart surgery in 1983.

From world over, he received letters from his fans, one of which conveyed: "Why does GOD have to select you for such a bad disease"?

To this Arthur Ashe replied:

" The world over -- 50 million children start playing tennis, 5 million learn to play tennis, 500,000 learn professional tennis, 50,000 come to the circuit, 5000 reach the grand slam, 50 reach Wimbledon, 4 to semi final, 2 to the finals, when I was holding a cup I never asked GOD 'Why me?' .

And today in pain I should not be asking GOD 'Why me?' "

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It is incorrect to assume that those failed did not attempt or those who did not attempt will not succeed. Ashe got infected without effort on his part.

[Basab]

Thank you CRS. I am not feeling lonely here anymore. I always learn a lot from your posts, and the new ones here are no exception in regard to that. I just loved the post where you have written about the tennis player Arthur Ashe, and what he said in reply to his fan. That is wisdom!

[indyan]

It is incorrect to assume that those failed did not attempt or those who did not attempt will not succeed. Ashe got infected without effort on his part.

CRS ji, thats the main thing which everyone need to understand. Thanks a lot for your inputs.

[Basab]

Yes CRS, efforts don't pay always. That is the reality!

It is incorrect to assume that those failed did not attempt or those who did not attempt will not succeed. Ashe got infected without effort on his part.

[indyan]

It's really amazing, the powers your Mamaji has.

Basab ji, You and many people out here may be thinking that if my mama ji have that much power of future telling then why i am seeking advice from here..
My mama ji cant help me due to i am his blood retive (Bias) and another thing which he always told me that never try to open the secrets of future. It against the law of nature,In his view helping others is right thing but predicting anyones future is not correct. If we cant change destiny then who we are to tell the future. WE CANT A SINGLE SECOND.
We are here in ASTROLOGY forum and we have limitations, we know and read the native life according to horoscope. But how can a tarot reader can be so accurate? (Those who ever had a read of tarot ,must agree with me). How can psychic can tell about anyone without knowing having his/her birth detail? We are into Astrology school and but there are lots of other things which can tell your future? We are here discussing about Destiny is predestined or not? Everyone is telling check my horoscope,check his horoscope he/she dont have such yoga and so on. But for those who are only think that astrology is the only subject for future telling then are wrong... I request them to meet some psychic or any tarot reader. Then can tell them where they are? we have horoscope and planets position and its calculation.
If we are talking about destiny then its not the astrology which can tell the destiny. There are various subjects which can tell us about future. We are confused here coz we only know astrology and seeking everything from astrology... I read in previous post that a renowned person dont have any yoga but he become world famous.WHY?
AFAIK that astrology is totaly experienced based. Guru of astrology experienced that if A B planets have that much power then this will effect the person like this and give this result. and B C planets are planets in 3rd house then person will enjoy this and this.
Now i am saying if that renowned person dont have any yoga and he become famous and achieved everything then his horo should be kept for studies.How astrologers judge? coz they read the same situation in another horo and experienced the result. Due to there experience when such combination come infront of them they can tell that its gonna be happen. May be that renowned person horo dont match anyones or shri parashara never experienced such combinations in his life so he didnt put it in the astrology.
AIDS come today,so it mean our ayurveda rishi was not aware of this disease that time?Or they never tried to find the cure for AIDS.Now our modern doctors are researching over it and trying to find it cure.

Respect and regards,

PS: I am noob in astrology so please forgive me if i said anything against it.
I

[lovacrs]

Indyan, Sridhar and Basab - Thanks for liking the post.

Yes CRS, efforts don't pay always. That is the reality!

There is an important difference in perception. All your efforts get a result, perhaps not what you wanted.
You are blessed if you are able to perceive the results and see the positive side of it. At times not getting
something that you worked for may be a gift (people who missed the flight that crashed at Managalore for e.g,)!

In reality I feel the laws of karma schedule events for various moments of our life. It is in those moments
When no such event is scheduled you or when what is scheduled is aligned with what you aimed for
that your efforts fructify. But since we dont know what is scheduled
we will have to keep making the effort. Also learn to see beyond what we aimed for.

[Basab]

Very true what you have said CRS. You have great depth of knowledge and understanding. Keep writing. It's being fortunate, getting to read your posts.

[spidey]

Dear friends ,
I came across this article on Free will and fate , while surfing the net. Just thought of sharing this with you all. I hope you don't mind.
Most of what is mentioned here has been said in various forms by different people at different times , but still it makes for an interesting read.

http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/articles ... d_Free.htm

Thanks and regards,
Spidey

[lovacrs]

Thanks Spidey for the nice link.

Thanks Basab. You have shown your warmheartedness through your generous compliments.
I dont think I deserve so much. But then I am running 3rd Lord Su's MD placed in 9th

[Basab]

CRS,

You are running the period of 3rd lord of writing (in the 9th house), so it has to be special in regard to that.