astroboy wrote:Read your post 3 times, I was stumped as usual.
Hahahahaha... Well said Astroboy.
If you can't understand something after reading it 3 times but really want to understand it, then you will definitely keep on reading it, even if for a countless no. of times, till you understand it.
Astroboy wrote:You wrote,
Tell me something, does a planet listen to our wish when it gives us a difficult time? Does it listen to our wish when someone humiliates us? Does it listen to our wish when someone cheats us? Does it listen to our wish when someone breaks our heart? But it listens to our wish when we don't want to enjoy the fruits of our raja yoga. That way, one has to make a concious effort to enjoy the positives in the birth chart, but when it comes to the negatives, he doesn't have to make the least effort: destiny will give it to you for free.
The above happens when Free will is limited. You know this very well. Where there are more Dhridha karma's piled up, and that too bad karma's there is little the person can do to maneuver his life.
You didn't understand why I made that point. Why is it like this, if what you are saying is right, that only bad karmas are dridha karmas but good karmas are not so? That was my point. If bad karmas are dridha karmas, good karmas can also be dridha karma too, which is shown by the raja yogas in a chart, and when it is like that, then you don't have to make the concious effort to get the fruits of those karmas, destiny will drag you by the colllar and make you enjoy the fruits of those karmas, of those raja yogas that is, at any cost. That was my point: you don't need to take that extra effort to enjoying a raja yoga if it is there in your chart, destiny itself will take care of that. It will not let you sit back and wait for the raja yogas to show their effect.
Astroboy wrote:Basab ji, Let us not kid our selves, we know the basic rules very well. We might not be 0.00001 % of Parashara, but we atleast know the ground rules, currect ?
You know, there is a saying, "little knowledge is dangerous". I believe in that strongly. And there is something called exception to the rule: there are many exceptions to the rule in case of astrology too. Sometimes debiliated planets make raja yogas (debiliated 3rd lord, 6th lord or 12th lord, or debiliated planets in those houses makes raja yogas, of course there is another condition, which needs to get fulfilled with that)! Sometimes a planet placed in a dusthana turns out to be positive (Mercury in the 8th house does extremely well; Venus in the 12th house does extremely well; malefics in the 6th house does extremely well)! And there are countless no of such exceptions, which we have never even heard off. Now, just like there are difficult puzzles and easy puzzles, there are charts which are easy to interpret and charts which are difficult to interpret. Micheal Jordan's chart is just one of those tricky ones.
Astroboy wrote:If this horoscope was Not Micheal Jordan's, and if this horoscope was posted on the forum then we would have told him the negative points and the positive points using the same basic rules we use day in and day out to analyse the other horoscope's in this forum. Now that we cannot find any good attribute's to fit the man's profile, is it right to say that we do not know the rules properly ? Then what we have been doing till now is all futile.
Astroboy, I don't know about you, but I don't know ALL the rules, and I think it is wrong to give advice to someone when you don't know all the rules. I don't think it is right to give advice to people by reading their charts when I am learning the subject and don't know much in it. Just tell me something, in which profession one gets the licence to practice it before completing his studies, before getting a degree? Can a person start treating a patient, when he is in the first year in medical college, can a person give legal advices when he is in the first year in his law course? No, right? But in astrology we have the "licence" to do that. We can read a chart and start giving advice on the basis of that even after reading one book on astrology! Is it the right thing to do? I don't think so! If you are giving a reading, tell the person that you are an amateur astrologer, that he/she should not take the prediction of your seriously because you can be wrong. That is still better, but, I feel, giving a reading when we don't know astrology that well is wrong. That's how I look at it. Maybe you see things differently. It's always necessary to analyze charts to learn astrology, but you can always do that by trying to understand the past events and without giving predictions. Or you can make a prediction and keep it to yourself and see if it comes true. You can't do it here, but you can do it with charts of people who you know well and whose life you can follow.
Astroboy wrote:I have banged my head trying to find 1 aspect or yoga which has put him in the place he is in. I have come up with zilch. I have some working theories but that's it. I have no support from any classical texts to ratify my theories. We have the same rules for everybody.
I don't know about you, maybe you know all the yogas in astrology, but I would not even bang my head even once because I don't know even 1/1000th of the yogas that are there in astrology. Astrology is a vast subject and it takes many lives to understand it fully. And I don't think I know anything in the subject. Knowing what I know in astrology can be comapred to knowing plus, minus, multiplication and division in mathematics when they are just the basics of it. Coming to the rules, we definitely have the same rules for everybody, but I don't know all the rules. Life is very complicated and a birth chart which represents a persons life has to be complicated too.
Astroboy wrote:You have analysed so many horoscopes to date. Can you come up with a logical explanation for his meteoric rise? I cannot.
I maybe won't be able to give an explanation to his meteoric rise through his chart, but I have this much logic in me to not start believing this, that he with his free will alone made a meteoric rise when the planets had destined a big, big failure for him. Only God's will can make that possible, not free will of a human being!!
Coming to the chart of Michael Jordan now now (I don't know anything about his life other than what you have written here, and I am writing the analysis on the basis of that and of course on the basis of what I am seeing in the chart):
Saturn is the 10th lord in the 10th house making sasha mahapurush yoga, which shows rise in career. What does it give him? Makes him hard working, focussed, dedicated, disciplined. And this yoga happens in the 10th house, so all these qualities will be shown specifially in regard to his career. Which house signifies sportsmen? 3rd house and 6th house. Here 3rd and 6th lord Mercury are in the 10th house of career. 3rd house is the house of efforts, 6th house is another house of efforts and of facing challenges and competitions, and the lord of both these houses Mercury in the 10th house with the 10th lord shows it: a career in sports, in a field where one needs to face challenges, competitions. Now, I have many times in analyzing charts of celebrities see the connection between 1st and 10th house or 9th and 10th house. Here, you can see there is a raja yoga between 1st lord Mars and 10th lord Saturn in the 4-10 axis, which shows success in career and focus on career in his life. Now, Saturn-Mars connection is also found in people who are into sports and it gives them amazing confidence. It's a good combination of a fighter as it combines the qualities of Saturn like discpline, dedication, one pointed focus and hard work with Mars passion, aggressiveness, boldness, confidence. Now, if you notice, he has a lot of fighting spirit, at least that's what the lines of his which you have quoted shows: it's like Mars is speaking. Now, is it showing in the chart? You may say, no, it is not!! Well, it is showing in the chart, only if you care to look a bit closely!! HIs ascendant is of Mars, his Moon sign is of Mars, in the navamsha, both Sun and Moon are with Mars in the sign of Mars again. Now you may say Mars is debiliated. Well it is. But it is retrograde, and a debiliated retrograde planet works like an exalted planet, isn't it? And then, Mars and Moon are in exchange, and it is said that planets in exchange works like they are in their own signs. It also gives his Moon a Marsian nature, being so closely connected to Mars by the exchange. Now, 5th lord conjunct the 9th lord in the 11th house is a good yoga. As per parashara, 5th and 9th lord makes a raja yoga if they are conjunct: it is one of the rare raja yogas which is formed by 2 trikona lords, which has happened here. Lagna lord Mars forms a couple more half raja yogas (as there is no mutual aspect) with 5th lord Sun and 9th lord Jupiter by aspecting them. 2nd lord Venus in the 9th house of fortune and 9th lord Jupiter in the 11th house with the 5th lord Sun are strong dhana yogas.
Now coming to the dasha, he was born in the dasha of Saturn, the planet forming a mahapurush yoga in his chart. It was a good beginning to his life, drilling in his mind at the very moment he was born its qualities: discipline, endurance, tenacity, which, his lines quoted by you shows, is there in him aplenty. Then, in his growing years, came the period of Mercury the 3rd lord of self effort and the 6th lord of fighting, of facing challenges, of facing competition. 3rd and 6th house are to be considered for sports. And here he was running its period since his early age, and it being in the 10th house of career, destiny was preparing him for his career in sports since his early age. He was trained to be a tough guy from the time he was born, and in his growing years. Mercury the 3rd and 6th lord is aspected by Mars, which is a perfect combination for a sportsman and a career in that as this combination is in the 4-10 axis of career. He got the Ketu period after that, and it worked like the planets it is conjunct with, i.e. 3rd and 6th lord Mercury, 10th lord Saturn and Mars, and all this in the 10th house. Now, the most beautiful part: the periods he got from the very beginning of his life are of Saturn, Mercury and Ketu and all of them are in the 3rd house of self-efforts from the Moon lagna. Is it any wonder, that he believes in self-effort? He got the period of 2nd lord Venus in the 9th lord next, and it is also a very good and success giving period.
See, I don't know much in astrology, but with the little that I know, and with the little time that I gave to the chart, so many reasons for his success--and that too in sports--came out. Just imagine, how clearly a person proficient in astrology can show why he got so much success in sports, and why it was always destined for him.
