Financial potential of this Chart.

[astroboy]

Good day to you sir,

Every thing in this world is relative sir,

I can understand why you made this statement, "but not yet able to break into the Rich Bracket"

From the lagna, Ketu is in the 2nd house of wealth and Rahu is in the 11th in the house of income from Chandra lagna. Rahu induces a sense that "nothing is enough". Rahu is a very hungry planet. He is largely desire driven.he wants everything at all costs. Rahu in the 11th causes a Raja Yoga in his periods but unfortunately Rahu's dasha is way off.(Rahu is Vargothama for you hence strong).

A piece of advice,this thirst induced by Rahu will lead you to lose your peace of mind.please guard yourself against it. I say this with experience. I have Rahu in the 12th and he gives me sleepless nights.

Shukra dasha was not a shining example of what people say about Shukra. He is the 12th lord, aspected by the 8th lord Shani, is with his enemy Ravi and mildly combust. however the Parivarthana yoga between Guru and Shukra has not let you down completely.

The comming dasha is of Ketu. Ketu is in the 2nd house. I consider Ketu to be strong here because he is in his enemies house. what he will do is make you always insecure and dissatisfied with the significations of the 2nd house namely Family and wealth. Please guard your self from Ketu's intentions. you are always going to be dissatisfied with these. Ketu is in the Nakshatra of Guru who is in the 12th. you might find your expenditure increasing but it will only be for a good cause (Guru)


3 yoga's will get you through Ketu dasha

A dhana yoga caused by a relationship between the Lagna lord on the one hand and the 5th, or 9th or 11th lord on the other hand. making the person wealthy

A (Vasumati) Yoga All the benefics (Mercury, Venus, Jupiter) occupy the Upachaya houses (3,6,10,11) from Moon. making the person extremely wealthy and enjoys comforts while staying at home .

and finally a Lakshmi yoga Lakshmi Yoga where the Lagna lord is abundantly strong(Budha is combust and in a enemy sign thus reducing the power of this yoga, but some residual effect will still be there) and the lord of the 9th house occupies a Kendra identical to his own house, his Moolatrikona, or his exaltation. then The person is virtuous, very wealthy, will vast lands, learned, widely renowned, blessed with a spouse, and children.


trust this helps

[astroboy]

Good day to you sir,




1) you said my next dasha will be Ketu, I think u mean antardasha rite ?,

yes you are right , sorry i was not clear.


2) which are my upcoming mahadashas after shukra ? I am not sure..but I feel they are Surya , followed by chandra. how will they be for wealth ? will it be a step forward or backward ?

Right again, Ravi and Chandra are in line. See Ravi is aspectd by a exalted 8th lord Shani. Don't expect things to be great. It's the dasha of Chandra which will finally see you shine. there is a potential Kemadruma yoga hidden in the horoscope, but the presence of three benefics (Ravi is the 3rd lord no doubt but friendly with the lagna lord) will make the Kemadruma yoga infructious.

3) I know wealth is relative, but wot I meant was that even though by god's grace I have everything like a house , vehicle, office etc, i am not able to build a bank-balance, wot is the reason ?

Lord Shani's aspect on the 2nd house. he is the 8th lord. 2nd lord Moon is in the 8th lord Shani's Nakshatra. 12th lord Shukra's aspect on the Lagna is also a problem

4) specific to my chart, which is the planet which can raise me to a higher financial level ? once u tell me, I'll start appeasing it.

If wealth is the focus, then First take out all the gemstones that you wear and make earnest prayers to the Moon and Lord Shani. Note Chandra is in the 8th lord's Nakshatra. I take it that you have your Moola Sthan in Goa. find that root and start praying to her.Shani needs to be pleased by reading the Shani Mahatmaya. this should please the two immensely. Feeding and providing water to stray animals on the street is a good way to please Ketu.(sell all the stones that you wear and give the money earned from it to a charitable institution. If you still want to wear a Stone then wear a Emerald 3 carats +)

Trust this helps.

[USR]

Ramesh,
you make money with the help of your family,children,spouse,friends,partners and elders. You are sure to gain from landed property. Shani helps you aided by Kuja.
As your lagna lord is combust you get tired easily.Pray Lord Vishnu and take good food.
USRao

[arjunprabhu84]

Greeting Astroboy,

My birth Details are :

NAME : ARJUN
DATE : 13-08-1984
TIME : 16 : 00
PLACE : MUMBAI

I read your latest Reply for Rameshji above...

Sir you have seen his chart in such detail & given so many remedies

sir do something for Me also, I am very worried for my career & finance, not even started yet,

Give me also some remedies sir,

Sir I have only 3 questions to ask :

1) what is the problem in my chart?, why have I not seen success yet ?

2) in My chart, which are the planets which can raise me in terms of career , material success & Finance ?

3) which gem to wear purely for material success ?

Sir I really need your help, I will always be grateful to You,

waiting for your reply,

warm regards : Arjun R. Prabhu

[astroboy]

Good day Arjun,

The problem is the Aspect of Lord Shani on the 9th lord Ravi. the 9th is posited by the 10th and 11th lord Budha and Shukra. He also aspects the lagna and the Lagna lord (3rd aspect).
Thus the delay with the 9th 10th and the 11th house significations.

The Kemadruma though cancelled does pose a problem for this horoscope specially since he is the 8th lord.


In the D10 The 3rd and the 8th lord Shukra is posited in the 10th hampering aspect of the natives Career.



Let me assure you that Lord Shani will cause delays but will not deny the results promised in this chart. remember that he is exalted. Shani is in Kanya in transit, your Astakavarga shows that he scores only 2 points in Kanya and is thus not able to give you the results promised. Note that the dasha is of shani. you will start doing well once shani transits his natal position. till then have patience and pray to him every day. leave the rest to him.

I am not a big fan of wearing gems Arjun, I am more of a mantra person. If you really want to wear a stone then wear a Blue Sapphire ( 2nd lord in the 11th ) but let me warn you that if you abuse it then you are finished. Shani is not a easy man to please, remember that .

I suggest that you buy "the greatness of Saturn" by Robert Svoboda and read it every day . It has helped me / I dont see why it should not help you .


Trust this helps.

[astroboy]

Another point I forgot to mention,


from chandra lagna note that the 11th lord is aspect ed by Lord Shani who is in the 9th. Chandra is aspected by Kuja who is the 10th lord from Chandra Lagna. This causes a Ruchaka yoga from the Moon. A shashi Mangala yoga is also formed.you will definitely see the benefits of this in the AD of Kuja and Chandra.



best regards.

[arjunprabhu84]

Antardasha of Kuja & chandra in shani mahadasha ?

[astroboy]

correct. but remember there is only so much you can get as these yogas do not reoccur from the Lagna (Ruchaka and Shashi Mangala) More over from lagna Kuja is the 12th lord.

[arjunprabhu84]

In My chart, Kuja is with Ketu

does ketu being with kuja alter the shashi mangala yoga ?

does ketu strenghten the shashi mangala yoha or weaken it ?


also wot exactly is this shashi mangala yoga ? wot does it bestow ?

[astroboy]

Good day,

you asked,


In My chart, Kuja is with Ketu
Ketu is considered exalted here and Ketu acts like Kuja so this is good for Kuja and ketu.

does ketu being with kuja alter the shashi mangala yoga ?
No , Ketu's exaltation is good.

does ketu strenghten the shashi mangala yoha or weaken it ?
Strengthen's it.


also wot exactly is this shashi mangala yoga ? wot does it bestow ?
wealth.

best regard's

[arjunprabhu84]

namaste Astroboy,


You wrote ur more of a Mantra Person,

Can You guide Me which Planets I should appease purely for Material success & career ?


NAME : ARJUN
DATE : 13-08-1984
TIME : 16 :00
PLACE : MUMBAI

[astroboy]

Good day arjun,

you can chant the Ashta Lakshmi stotram every day for financial well being.

[arjunprabhu84]

Sir ,

DATE : 13-08-1984
TIME : 16 :00
PLACE : MUMBAI

On this forum, everyone has told Me that, I am having exalted lord of 2nd & 3rd house in 11th, which is very good dhana yoga & that after my 1st saturn return, I'll see lot of success,

However yesterday I met an aged old astrologer in my colony who saw my chart & he says that my sun which is in 8th house is aspected by saturn from 11th house, hence the sun has become polluted. & that this polluted sun aspects my 2nd house hence damging the 2nd house of wealth.
Hence he says that exalted saturn wont be able to give results of 2nd house, & that it will give results only of 3rd house which means my siblings will prosper but I will be a failure in material world.

is he correct ?, do u see any logic in his analysis ?

[astroboy]

Arjun, on the face of it he is right, but Shani is casting his exalted aspect here and in the compound friend ship chart, both Shani and Ravi are Neutral. Both Shani and Ravi are friends of the lagna lord.

Tell me something, you are a engineer right ? you have a roof over your head? you drive a car? you have all the amenities in the house? do you lack food to eat? ever gone hungry any day? you sleep well ? where do you think all that comes from? If your 2nd house was destroyed would you have been where you are today? as per the last stats, 40 percent of the people live below the poverty line. the daily wage earned by a average indian is 70 RS a day. every lived with just 70 rupees ? the world bank estimates nearely 460million Indians live below the povery line. the same number live on just one meal a day. Just 2.5 pct of people own a car my dear friend. I understand that all that you experience is given to you by your father. If the old astrologer was right, you would not have been reading this post today.


The Sun represents the father correct ? has your father deprived you of anything? Shani and Ravi are son and Father, yes they may have their difference but there is a good saying "it is better for a father to be defeated by his own son than someone else. then you know you have raised a good son" Please keep in mind the exaltation of Lord Shani.


Best regards,
Trust this helps,

[arjunprabhu84]

Respected Sir,


I read your above post

It raises a few important questions .. the answers to which we must research

here are the interesting questions :

1) acc to you, 40% population is under poverty line, but its surely not possible that such a great number of people do not have any dhana or rajyogas in their charts !,

2) if these people do have dhana yogas & raj yogas , den y are they not activated ?

3) sometimes it is seen that 2 people born on the same day , same hour ,same place & even same social background have very different lives & fortunes, what is the reason for this ?

4) I read somewhere that planets do not give the effects of houses & signs they are placed in or Rule, Rather they give the effects of the Lord of the nakshatra they are placed in ?, is this correct ?

[astroboy]

here are the interesting questions :

1) acc to you, 40% population is under poverty line, but its surely not possible that such a great number of people do not have any dhana or rajyogas in their charts !,

It's not according to me, it's as per the government of India statistics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India

My dear friend, read this again and again until you can sing it like a song, to whom you are born, where you are born, when you are born and how you are built Physically (including looks) are the results of the past karma. These are the four pillars upon which your life is built.the horoscope is a roof over those four pillars. 2 children are born at the same time, one in a shed and the other in a ultra high tec hospital.one is the son of a cobbler, the other of a high flying business man, let us assume the horoscope promises good education for both. the cobbler will find a sponser who will ensure that the child goes to the same school as the other child, both will experience the same effects and experiences. you never know, they might even become best friends. at the end of the day, let me assure you that both will land up in the same place and experience the same effects of the horosope. I am not talking off my hat. I was educated in one of the best schools in Bangalore. My best friend was a cobblers son, he was admitted on a scholarship,someone suggested my father to put me there so i was taken out of My native place and put in that school. I have not seen his horoscope but don't you think it's funny that a boy from Bihar has to be put in a school in bangalore to get a good education? I can go on and on with such examples. Look around you and you will find such examples every where. If a Raja yoga is there, trust me by god, the planets will ensure that you get the fruits of that raja yoga provided you put in your effort and free will to access it.

Think about this, what is the point of a rajayoga in Somalia ? the quality of the yoga is blemished just because he happens to be born in a improvished place. think of a child born as a citizen of Dubai. that rajayoga has now got a extra quality and power. where you are born is a part of your karma my friend.


2) if these people do have dhana yogas & raj yogas , den y are they not activated ?

have you seen Aishwariya Rai's horoscope? the Rajayoga's are nothing to write home about, but the fact that she looks exceptionally good has enhanced the Raja yoga's capacity to act effectively. also remember the Dasha scheme, what is the point of of experiencing Shukra Dasha for a Cancer ascendent when he is 75 ? Shukra is the 4th and the 11th lord and he becomes exalted in the 9th, what a splendid yoga to have, but is it worth experiencing it at 75?

3) sometimes it is seen that 2 people born on the same day , same hour ,same place & even same social background have very different lives & fortunes, what is the reason for this ?

Because they use the free will alloted to them very differently. I think free will needs some explaination here. A good analogy for free will would be this: imagine a cow on a green field put out to pasture. The cow is tied around its neck on one end of the rope and the other is tied to a pole. The cow is completely free to do as it wills within the radius of the rope. The cow can graze and feed on the grass within the radius of the rope or it could just sit there idle Similarly man’s free will is just like the cows. Past Karma determines the length of each man’s rope. Within that radius, he is free. Now a man can just sit on his butt and do nothing and say he has 200 raja yoga's in the horoscope, but will it get activated if he does not take any efforts to activate them? micheal jordan the greatest basketball player has 3 planets in debilitation, if I did not know who's horoscope it was i would have dismissed the native as a failure, but yet he is the richest basket ball player there ever was. how he was born physically has put him where he has to be, not many people are 6 feet 6 inches, not many are born in brooklin New york where basket ball is a religion. would he have played basket ball if he was born in Bangaladesh or Burma? unless you have strong pillars how can the roof (horoscope) stand?. See Micheal Phelps, he won 14 gold medals in his career in the olympics. he is deemed as the greatest olympian of all time. At 6ft 4 inches he has a physical deformity, he has extra long hands and legs. He also suffers from A.D.H.D (Attention Deficit hyperactivity disorder) his parents were divorced and his mother had to work to support the family, finding the micheal uncontrollable she used to send him swimming so that he could burn off his extra energy and reduce his hyperactivity. if he was born in Nigeria he would have probably been tied to a tree and given 1 meal a day. but he was born in the U.S.A and he has access to a health care system which diagnosed his problem and suggested the appropriate remedies for it. He liked swimming because his sisters were swimmers too. here , all the four pillars have contributed to his success. but more importantly his physical features has propelled him to the top


4) I read somewhere that planets do not give the effects of houses & signs they are placed in or Rule, Rather they give the effects of the Lord of the nakshatra they are placed in ?, is this correct ?
this is correct

[astroboy]

Talking about twins, let me tell you the real story about two good friends of mine.

they are born 3 and odd minutes appart,

Both went to the same school, went to the same collage, both are engineers, both drive the same car, both stay in the same house, both tour together, both of them party together, both of them got married at the same time. what is the difference in their lifestyle? they experience the same riches, pleasures, comforts, pain, emotions together. I would have posted their horoscopes but it would not be fair to do so without their permission, so I will refrain from it. The navamsha has moved in one of the boys chart so one of them ended up being married to a divorcee with two kids. I have no doubt in my mind that the planets work on us. If we have any doubts, it's because of our own limited ability to interpret them and not the planets inability to play their games

[astroboy]

why not ? but first what are your comments on what i have posted ?

[arjunprabhu84]

OK HERE IS WHAT i FEEL AFTER READING UR POST ABOVE :


* Aishwarya rai was not at all good looking in her early teens, now does it mean dat if an astrologer sees her chart at dat time, he shd predict the raj-yogas are weak ?, & if he sees it wen she is 24 & beautiful..he shd say her chart is strong ?

* If the chart depends on how the person will look & his/her physical nature, den no chart prediction can turn out right before the age of 21 or 22, ie : till the body fully matures

* I dont agree with the logic of free will, if a prediction goes true, it is said the chart indicated it, & if it goes false, we say free
will changed it

* 80 % people are to weak to exert any free will strong enough to avert the planets effects, only 20 % may be dat strong willed to exercise free will to tide over strong effects of planets, hence shd 80% predictions not come true ?

* this free will concept has only come nowadys to mask errors, if u read ancient stories, say for example dat of Angulimala who was born in magadha, the moment the child was born , his chart was cast & d astrologer predicted that this baby will grow to be a anti-social killer, his father said he will bring up the child such that he will grow up a decent citizen, the child was given good education & upbringing, & upto the age of 17, he was a sober learned man, his father thought maybe the astrologer's prediction has been diverted, howver, within the next 2 years, such things took place that the sober young man turned into the dreaded killer " Angulimala ", where are such astrologers today ?

* also there must be some concensus among what various astrologers say about the same chart, one says there is a raja yoga, other says it wont activate due to some reason, then soemone else says that it will activte in so & so dasha.

* see my own case, 1st people told me dat i have a great chart & will be successful, when I told them that i have faced many failures till now, they said oh yes in ur divisional charts there is a problem, so within a matter of minutes they predicted both success & failure for me, now ordinary laymen like Me will get very confused.

* The problem is that today astrology has become a commercial profession more than a sacred art, I see many astrologers demanding thousands of rupees for readings, however shd they not be held responsible if they give wrong predictions ?, does anyone think about how middle class people gather money to pay high fees & only get disappointment ?

* yes there are good analytical astrologers on this forum like Astroboy , Aseem & few others, & That is what keep the faith of laymen like Me still strong....!, we shd encourage such sincere upcoming astrologers & hope that they are able to keep away from the commercial lure..

* all said & done we must admit that the astrologers of today are far lagging behind the ancient masters who would predict events by the exact date & venue, There is nothing wrong in admitting that we have a long way to go before we reach that level of expertise, this is only possible if the astrologers in this forum & elsewhere practise astrology in a sacred & holistic way, & think of it as a sacred art to help people, rather than a profit making business

[astroboy]

Very Good day to you,


you wrote.

OK HERE IS WHAT i FEEL AFTER READING UR POST ABOVE :


* Aishwarya rai was not at all good looking in her early teens, now does it mean dat if an astrologer sees her chart at dat time, he shd predict the raj-yogas are weak ?, & if he sees it wen she is 24 & beautiful..he shd say her chart is strong ?
I said that physical features are one of the main pillars upon which a horoscope rests. you will see this reality one day. It's been proved that good looks do give you a edge in the corporate world.

* If the chart depends on how the person will look & his/her physical nature, den no chart prediction can turn out right before the age of 21 or 22, ie : till the body fully matures
the Genetic factors deciding ones physical features are already ingrained before the child is born. and there is no connection between the predictive part of a horoscope and looks. all I said was looks can over come a weak Raja yoga in a horoscope.

* I dont agree with the logic of free will, if a prediction goes true, it is said the chart indicated it, & if it goes false, we say free will changed it
If every thing is destined before hand, where is the concept of Kriyamana and Agama karma ? there would be no rebirth then, you just come here, pay as per what the horoscope dictates and since we did not make any new karma's, attain Moksha. how sweet that would be, I wish there was a concept like that.

* 80 % people are to weak to exert any free will strong enough to avert the planets effects, only 20 % may be dat strong willed to exercise free will to tide over strong effects of planets, hence shd 80% predictions not come true ?

To our good fortune, yes we can sometimes predict events with 100 pct accuracy provided the Astrologer is competent enough. please remember that Astrology as a science is never wrong, when we fail we have to realise that we are not competent enough to figure out it's secrets. You cannot blame medical Science if the Doctor is incompetent. Did the USA shut down NASA because of the space shuttle Challenger's disaster ? they did not, they learnt from their mistakes and became better. Astrology is in need of research and people have dedicated their life towards making it a perfect science.

* this free will concept has only come nowadys to mask errors, if u read ancient stories, say for example dat of Angulimala who was born in magadha, the moment the child was born , his chart was cast & d astrologer predicted that this baby will grow to be a anti-social killer, his father said he will bring up the child such that he will grow up a decent citizen, the child was given good education & upbringing, & upto the age of 17, he was a sober learned man, his father thought maybe the astrologer's prediction has been diverted, howver, within the next 2 years, such things took place that the sober young man turned into the dreaded killer " Angulimala ", where are such astrologers today ?
Good question. we dont have Angulimala's horoscope to give our comments , but it might be a case where the child had little free will and was destined to be a killer.

* also there must be some concensus among what various astrologers say about the same chart, one says there is a raja yoga, other says it wont activate due to some reason, then soemone else says that it will activte in so & so dasha.
Take a Medical report and go to two doctors, they will have 2 opinions about it. Medical science is Highly specialized field with rigid rules laid down, and at the end of the day you will find conflicting opinions with the same report. Can we stop going to doctors because there is no unanimity in their opinions.

* see my own case, 1st people told me dat i have a great chart & will be successful, when I told them that i have faced many failures till now, they said oh yes in ur divisional charts there is a problem, so within a matter of minutes they predicted both success & failure for me, now ordinary laymen like Me will get very confused.
I completely agree with you, this is the reason I took up the study of astrology. I started out as a skeptic and sometimes I still am, but I cannot say that astrology is a false science because everytime astrology has failed me, i have realised that because of my own Incompetence.

* The problem is that today astrology has become a commercial profession more than a sacred art, I see many astrologers demanding thousands of rupees for readings, however shd they not be held responsible if they give wrong predictions ?, does anyone think about how middle class people gather money to pay high fees & only get disappointment ?
Agree with you completely

* yes there are good analytical astrologers on this forum like Astroboy , Aseem & few others, & That is what keep the faith of laymen like Me still strong....!, we shd encourage such sincere upcoming astrologers & hope that they are able to keep away from the commercial lure..
Thank you for the compliment *

all said & done we must admit that the astrologers of today are far lagging behind the ancient masters who would predict events by the exact date & venue, There is nothing wrong in admitting that we have a long way to go before we reach that level of expertise, this is only possible if the astrologers in this forum & elsewhere practise astrology in a sacred & holistic way, & think of it as a sacred art to help people, rather than a profit making business
Agree with you 100 pct. there has been no concrete research done since BHPS and the 15 other classical texts were written, It's only in the past 100 years that intellects have taken the study up. I feel people like P.V. Narasimha Rao, Robert Svoboda, Sanjay Rath, Mridula Trivedi, Prash Trivedi, Vaughn Paul and others esteemed astrologers Astrologers will take this Science foward.


Trust this helps, thank you for taking the time out to indulge me in a healthy debate.

[arjunprabhu84]

Hi Astroboy,

I fully agree with the answers given By you to the points raised by me.

& yeah we had a good healthy debate,

It's always a pleasure interacting with Intelligent analytical people like you

Hoping to much more interaction with you in future.

Warm Regards : Arjun R. Prabhu

[anilesh47]

I read the debate between arjun and astroboy.
Its really appreciable. Debate was interesting. Before believing in astrology i was against it. Same question was arising in my mind what arjun had point out. But when i started to take interest in astrology, by and by i believe in astrology.

Hats off to some valuable astrologers like prspum, astroboy, reveribhav...

Have a good day.

Nilesh

[lovacrs]

Interesting and often repeated discussions.

The very thread being related to Finance, it is ironical that we expect astrologers to serve free (without expecting money). Giving free service is the prerogative of the giver and can never be demanded (btw, I am not a professional astrologer ). Money corrupts every profession and Astrology is not an exception. Thus, an Astrologer who charges money for consultation is likely (though not necessarily) to be focused on his financial gains than his professional ethics and commitment to accuracy.

Most important, we the consumers of service are also to blame. Most of us while consulting an Astrologer would like him/her to tell us what we like to hear. We are also willing to reward them handsomely. Obviously this has an effect on the Astrologer. But never forget that by paying something more than what the service deserves, you may actually be clearing your karmic debt! So don't fret and take it easy.

As for freewill I personally don't believe it exists. Probably the amount of effort that one puts in is also coded into the horoscope