Relationships and Confusion - When?

[pranav02]

Thinking about relationships often confused me considering I also want to follow dispassion. Consequently, I would appreciate very much any light thrown or some clarity on 'when it seems like I would get into a relationship' and the nature of it. I feel like some clarity on this would help me focus on other things. Would appreciate any inputs on this at all :") Thanks so much in advance

5th Jan, 2002
12:22 PM
Chennai, TN, India
Male.

[subramanianp]

5th lord is in the 7th.
Venus is combust.
From Moon the 7th lord is aspected by malefic s.
All are adverse indications.
Late marriage is anticipated.(Probably the spouse will be from close relation )

[pranav02]

I have had some people say that I may get into a relationship in the next few years. Do you think that seems likely? Maybe be in a relationship but it won't be what I'm looking for and won't last?

Q: If that's the case, what time periods/time frames seem likely for this?

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Also as a very basic student of astrology, I do have a few queries if that's okay? :

1) I have heard that the 5th lord in the 7th house indicates love marriage - is this true? Also that this placement would mean that despite wanting to express love, it would be in some form of criticism maybe? Being uncomfortable with love as a whole but would become a good healer for others?
2) Would the combust Venus leave me feeling unsatisfied and unloved often?
3) By late marriage, would you say that maybe around my Saturn return which is around 2028-2029?
4) I also do not have/know any women of around my age within my close relation - it's a small family. Only women much older than me.

Thank you very much,
Pranav.

[tylorechandra]

1. 5L in 7H does not always mean love marriage. In your case, the current dasa is of Rahu who has no connection to Moon. He (Rahu) is in a house ruled by Mercury who also owns the 7H. It is possible for you to easily get infatuated with someone at present. Further Moon is not supported on either side and aspected only by Mars. Finally, Moon shifts to the 6H in Bhava chart. Cynicism and criticism are natural when the grapes are sour!!!

2. Venus is not only combust but also occupies its debilitation house in Navamsa. Since the angular separation of Venus and Sun is a bit more than 2 degrees and Venus is around the Sun in most charts, combustion effects may not be much. Even so, Venus owns the 3H and 8H and combustion effects are more likely to be felt in these two houses. Since it occupies the Saptamsa in Navamsa, the marital happiness may decrease.

3. Except for Mars aspecting the 7H, there is no major cause for delay in marriage. Saturn return is not connected to marriage, at least in your chart.

4. No comments. The girl may also be from your work associates.

5. This last one is from my side – an unasked for advise which you can fully ignore – You are only 18 and already worried about marriage? Don’t get hallucinated. Focus at present on studies.

TKC

[subramanianp]

Dear pranav02

I don't think any likely chances of such a relationship.
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1) Phaladeepika Ch:10 sloka 2 says "If the 5th or 8th lord placed in the 7th, then the longevity of the spouse will be under threat. ( love marriage I have not read in any classics)
2.) Combust Venus may make a person less interested in married life.
3.) Marriage may be during Jup maha dasa .
4.) In such a situation somebody known to you since childhood may become the spouse.

[pranav02]

tylorechandra wrote:
> 1. 5L in 7H does not always mean love marriage. In your case, the current
> dasa is of Rahu who has no connection to Moon. He (Rahu) is in a house
> ruled by Mercury who also owns the 7H. It is possible for you to easily
> get infatuated with someone at present. Further Moon is not supported on
> either side and aspected only by Mars. Finally, Moon shifts to the 6H in
> Bhava chart. Cynicism and criticism are natural when the grapes are sour!!!
>
> 2. Venus is not only combust but also occupies its debilitation house in
> Navamsa. Since the angular separation of Venus and Sun is a bit more than
> 2 degrees and Venus is around the Sun in most charts, combustion effects
> may not be much. Even so, Venus owns the 3H and 8H and combustion effects
> are more likely to be felt in these two houses. Since it occupies the
> Saptamsa in Navamsa, the marital happiness may decrease.
>
> 3. Except for Mars aspecting the 7H, there is no major cause for delay in
> marriage. Saturn return is not connected to marriage, at least in your
> chart.
>
> 4. No comments. The girl may also be from your work associates.
>
> 5. This last one is from my side – an unasked for advise which you can
> fully ignore – You are only 18 and already worried about marriage? Don’t
> get hallucinated. Focus at present on studies.
>
> TKC

Thanks for your concern, I understand where you're coming from. However, the sole reason I got into astrology for this issue was that I could not find the answer to clear my confusion anywhere else. It's been on my mind for a long time, I believe that I will be able to use the knowledge to my advantage and take precautions necessary if the times aren't right.

Ans: Thanks for the answer. Just a few queries if that's ok with you.

1) Do you however still see the possibility of relationships at all, as transient as they may be, in the near future? Some resources have often pointed out (contrasting) time periods such as the end of this year or towards May and November of 2021 (even around 2023). The only reason I'm asking again is so that I can better my understanding and widen my perspective on this front.

2) In what terms do you mean the marital happiness would decrease?

3) Lastly, I've been going through some resources to understand better and I'd appreciate it a lot if you go through what I may have come across. With regards to the nature of spouse, due to 7th Lord being Mercury the spouse will attractive eyes, curly hair, interested in jewelry and clothes and will have few enemies. Venus in 7th house Navamsa: If Navamsa Venus is in 7th house, the spouse can be good Looking, fond of comforts and fond of music, fine arts etc. 7th house of Navamsa is Virgo, Your Spouse will have long hands polished character AND WILL BE talkative.

HOW DOES THE DEBILITATION IN D9 AND COMBUSTION IN 3H AND 8H ALTER THESE CHARACTERSTICS?

I would deeply appreciate your insight on this - Pranav

[tylorechandra]

1. Astrologically the answer is No. The point to remember is that astrology is only a guiding factor. All future actions have an element of freewill which, if strongly exercised, can cause a deviation from the astrologically directed course.

2. The decrease in marital happiness can be both sexual and materialistic in nature.

3. Only the quantities of the characteristics mentioned may reduce a bit due to its debilitation. Being lord if 3H and 8H will have no bearing on these characteristics.

TKC

[pranav02]

tylorechandra wrote:
> 1. Astrologically the answer is No. The point to remember is that astrology
> is only a guiding factor. All future actions have an element of freewill
> which, if strongly exercised, can cause a deviation from the astrologically
> directed course.
>
> 2. The decrease in marital happiness can be both sexual and materialistic
> in nature.
>
> 3. Only the quantities of the characteristics mentioned may reduce a bit
> due to its debilitation. Being lord if 3H and 8H will have no bearing on
> these characteristics.
>
> TKC


Thanks for the reply! Really appreciate the knowledge that you're sharing with me. I do have a final few follow-up questions:

1) What would you say is the best remedy, in this case, considering I often strongly want to get into a relationship due to my Rahu influence but at the same time, feel a constant push, both due to internal and external factors, towards the other side.

Does deviation from the path requires extremely intense efforts and in that case, is it worth it? Would it bring more sorrow and pain and confusion in my life? Is that why it is astrologically predicted that I wouldn't engage in a relationship?

2) Would you say that the spousal descriptions are more or less correct if we were to ignore the impact on the intensity that the debilitation brings?

3) What are your thoughts on combustion? Do we understand that combustion is the strongest from 3 to 8 degrees from the Sun or would you say that it is stronger considering that Sun and Venus are less than 2 degrees apart? How are we to understand it?

4) Lastly, if it is to be an arranged marriage, would you say that I would meet the spouse through my parents or if it is through work or through my friend circle (7th lord in 11th), how exactly would it be arranged?

How would you suggest I deal with the situation and extract the best out of the situation possibly and not be disappointed by it and perform impulsive decisions in fear or impatience? How would you suggest I deal with the ravaging thoughts that traverse my mind and channel it in a positive direction? Are there any remedies that I can perform to lessen the karmic impact?

Thank you so much for your time,
Pranav

[pranav02]

Would really appreciate any final insights and clarification on my final queries so I can extract the best out of this information - Thanks.

[tylorechandra]

Since you are a student, I thought broad outlines, when coupled with your knowledge of yourself and your analytical ability, would sufficiently answer all your queries. I was, therefore, a bit surprised when another cache of questions came. More surprised today that you haven’t figured out the answers till now.

There is nothing substantial to add what has been told earlier. Only some detailing can be given. Pl go through carefully. No follow up questions again please.

First, I would suggest you to read about Karma theory and types of Karmas. This forum also has a number of discussions on the subject which you can search for. You can also read about the same elsewhere on the internet.

I will only state that Dhrida (Fixed in nature) Karmas, good or bad, can’t be altered by human effort. In most cases of Dhrida Karma, the effort will not be allowed to be made. Else, obstacles will keep coming up for your efforts. One can reduce the bad effects to some extent by performing pariharas but one has to experience these Karmas. The Adhrida and Dhridadhrida (not fixed and midway) can be altered to some extent by pariharas and human efforts. The problem lies in identifying the Dhrida Karmas. Here, the Astrologer needs divine guidance most of the time.

Coming to your queries:

1. You are in the dasa of Rahu and Rahu is in the nakshatra of Mars. So in Rahu dasa Mars is also activated. Mars rules houses 2 and 9, aspects the 3rd, 6th and 7th and is placed in the 12th. The 12th rules foreign lands, expenditures, bed pleasures, hospitalisation etc. The 9th rules long distance travel. higher education, strangers, Destiny etc. Make the combinations and you could very well go abroad for studies. In fact the 5th house signifying graduate studies among other things also has its lord in the 7th (also denotes foreign lands) and aspected by Mars.

At the same time the 12th also signifies bed pleasures. Being aspected by both Rahu and Jupiter can expand the nature of such pleasures. Aspect by Saturn strengthening his own house can make the matters worse. Added to all these is the fact that Venus has very low Digbala (directional strength – you can read about Shadbalas on the net) and occupies the saptamsa in Navamsa chart. It can take you on a fantasy trip about sex very easily. Association with the 6th lord (rogakaraka) Sun can make matters worse. Venus is activated when the dasa or antara or pratyantara etc is of Venus, Jupiter, Sun or Saturn. During these times the urge to involve sexually will be more.

Moon (mental outlook) is not helpful either. Being in a dwiswabhava rasi makes the mind indecisive though being in the nakshatra of Sun can help in stabilising it. It is unsupported on either side by any planet making a case for Kemdruma yoga which, though cancelled in your case, makes getting friends and communication a bit difficult. Here too, Mercury, the sign lord of Moon is in the 11th house of gains and friends and can offset the deficiency to some extent.

As I mentioned earlier, it is difficult to judge whether the urge is a Dhrida Karma or not. In any case, according to me, you will be wasting a lot of effort and energy thinking about a subject which has no relevance at this stage. So, my simple would be to simply stay away from such thoughts.

With proper Sankalpa, perform milk abhisheka for Lord Subramanya on Tuesday. Practise Pranayama and meditation. Deliberately develop good friendships or visit religious places like Ramakrishna Mission, Chinmaya Mission etc to divert your attention. Try not to wear red (Mars) and grey (Rahu)clothes. Since Rahu is in his exaltation house and occupies the 8th Navamsa, you have to cool down Rahu as well. Avoid spicy foods, Garlic, Onion etc to the extent possible.

2. Yes.

3. With Venus more than 2 degrees away, combustion effects may be minimal. But since the two share the same nakshatra, it may have an influence on health.

4. I had earlier also mentioned that you could meet your spouse in the work environment.

TKC

[pranav02]

Thanks for the clarifications and for sharing your knowledge.