Attempted Birth Time Rectification - here is how

[Virendra]

Learned Members,

I have been brooding on and on for a long time trying (well trying less and thinking more) to rectify my birth time.
Following is my latest attempt. Please advise if I have made a mistake or how it went :-
Gender - Male
Given date - March 11th 1984
Given time - 04:20 AM IST
Given place - around Sikar - exact latitude longitude 76E09 27N40

Major life events -
Campus placement - Apr 2006
Completion of education (computers) and joining first job - May 2007 in IT MNC
Health issues and minor accident in 2nd half of 2008
Hospitalization in 2nd half of 2009 (Typhoid+Dengue).
Change of job and relocation - Aug 2010
Wedding - Jan 2013
Daughter - Aug 2016 (after 2 miscarriages for wife)
Travel abroad for work - Jul 2017

My main aim was to fix navamsa lagna for now. It oscillates between Pisces (up to 04:16 AM) and Aries 04:17 on wards.
What I've been told is that upon my birth, my uncle was asked to go to temple nearby (2 houses away) and ask the pujari for time. He went, came back and reported 04:20.
So my guess is, this process would have elapsed few mins and actual time could be few mins before 04:20.
Anyway...

04:17 AM onwards Aries navamsa lagna with Saturn :-
Shows Venus as my D9 7th lord in 7th. Spouse would have been extremely beautiful and luxury and comfort loving. Not the case exactly. Spouse has good height, average looking and doesn't run after luxury/comfort.
Wedding Dasha should have had link with Venus. Not the case. Wedding in Jup-Merc-Sat.
Saturn in aries lagna would have been detrimental for marriage. And would have given me a rash, rough, indifferent nature in marriage. Not the case. Marriage is doing fine. No over the top ugly fights. Usual limited arguments, thats it.

04:16 AM or before Pisces navamsa lagna (empty)
Shows Jupirer as D9 lagna lord. Marriage in Jupiter dasha.
Shows Mercury as D9 7th lord sitting in 4th at own sign. Marriage in Merc bhukti.
Shows Saturn in 2nd aspecting Venus in 8th. Marriage in Saturn pratyantar.
Moon in 7th means spouse is average to good looking. True.

Talents from navamsa - Mars gives technical skills. Owns navamsa 9th & sits in 5th. Learned technology.
People say I have good explanation skills. Not sure where to put it.

Transit :
By Aries option - At time of wedding Jupiter transits 2nd and Saturn transits 7th house. Saturn is trine to 7H and 7L Venus but Jupiter isn't.
By Pisces option - At time of wedding. D9 Lagna lord Jupiter was transiting Taurus, trine to 7th house.
D9 11th, 12th lord Saturn was transiting 8th in libra, but over D9's Venus.

I am inclined toward 4:16 or before.

Pheww...

Thanks for reading this far

[astrostar]

Sir,
I am impressed by your knowledge and analysis.
I think its nearby 4:18:55 AM
navamsa lagna is Aries only.

in D1 chart, Saturn aspecting 7th house.
So, wife average looking and doesn't run after luxury/comfort.
She looks/likes simple/simplicity.

[Virendra]

@astrostar,
Thanks for responding.
I am not knowledgeable in astrology, else wouldn't be running pillar to post confused
So how do we reconcile Saturn in lagna with own sign Venus in 7th; what happens to his influence.
Spouse' nature/looks are mostly from D9's 7th house.

By the way, I even tried the Chandra Navamsa paddati of Nadi astrology.
Moon in D9 Virgo is 33rd year - Mar 2016 to Mar 2017.
Aries case - Moon is 4th lord in 6th house. I had a serious fight with father that year (who also had an accident).
Pisces case - Moon is 5th lord in 7th house. First child was born that year.

Pardon me for dragging this, but since it is a long standing query in mind.
I will wait for a more elaborate explanation before closing this chapter for good.

Best wishes

[astrostar]

@Virendra,
Sikar means is it in Rajasthan ?
How far away is the birth place from sikar ?
google showing 27-37, 75-07 for sikar in rajasthan

[Virendra]

I gave that exact co-ordinate for the very village where I was born Village is on border of Sikar, that is why the difference.

[astrostar]

@Virendra,

ok. nice.

@astrostar,
Aries case - Moon is 4th lord in 6th house. I had a serious fight with father that year (who also had an accident).

Your 9th lord mercury (father) is in 2nd house with Sun, the 8th lord. Mercury is combusted.
So there was a serious fight with him.
Who won ? or DId you listen to him ?
Answer is obvious
2nd house means you won - or -
you would not listen to him.

[astrostar]

@Virendra,

So how do we reconcile Saturn in lagna with own sign Venus in 7th; what happens to his influence.
Spouse' nature/looks are mostly from D9's 7th house.

In D9, Venus is in 7th. Mars and Saturn aspecting Venus.
Mars is lord of 1st and 8th in 4th.
Venus is lord of 2nd and 7th in 7th.
Saturn is lord of 10th and 11th in 1st.

Spouse nature (Venus) is influenced by Saturn (your wishes) and Mars (you).
If Venus is influenced by Saturn looks will be simple without over fashion.
Mars (you) is situated in 10th from Venus (she). You will fulfill all her desires.

Saturn (5th lord from 7th) is in lagna of D9 and is aspected by Jupiter from 5th (11th from 7th).
So you both have much love and affection on each other.

[Virendra]

[quote=astrostar post_id=256500 time=1522744138 user_id=18924]
@Virendra,
Your 9th lord mercury (father) is in 2nd house with Sun, the 8th lord. Mercury is combusted.
So there was a serious fight with him.
Who won ? or DId you listen to him ?
Answer is obvious
2nd house means you won - or -
you would not listen to him.
[/quote]
Thanks a lot for your time and valuable inputs on this.

I just wanted to understand why this event occurred only in 2016.
Based on the Mercury-Sun pattern quoted above, I looked in Vimshottari. Period was Jupiter-Venus-Mercury.
Which reminds me, up in north the tradition for father is to look at 10th house (lord Venus).

By the way, none of us won the fight. I learned my lessons. In relations when you fight, nobody really wins.
Anyway .. relations are back to normal.

Namaskar

[astrostar]

I just wanted to understand why this event occurred only in 2016.
Based on the Mercury-Sun pattern quoted above, I looked in Vimshottari.
Period was Jupiter-Venus-Mercury.

Jupiter is lord of 3rd and 12th houses and occupied 12th.
3 means communication, arguments, etc.
12 means damage to relationships, not listening to others' words, staying alone

Venus is lord of 5th and 10th.
Venus has square aspect of Mars. or, Mars, lord of 4 and 11 (blood relations), aspecting Venus.
So this causes arguments with blood relations.

By the way, none of us won the fight. I learned my lessons. In relations when you fight, nobody really wins.
Anyway .. relations are back to normal.

I did not mean a martial attack/fight. Just argumentative one. I knew. Since Jupiter is in 12, you had obeyed him.

Which reminds me, up in north the tradition for father is to look at 10th house (lord Venus).

Yes. father is represented by 10th house.
9th house represents first guru. It might be mother or father or any other person.

I don't use equal house system.
I do use placidus house system.
According to this house system, Mars is in 10th house.

_/\_

[joyd]

is your birth on 10/11th or 11/12th ? i mean is it on early hours of 11th march or 11th early hours of 12th ?check the week day also,is it thursday vs friday ? or friday vs saturday ?your lagna is in 12th from sun.so your birth time should coincide with plus or minus one hour only.on 11th march of 1984,sun rise was given as 06-44-25 secs.so your birth time is too far from the sun rise timing of that day.Acc to lagna nischay rules,by the given time of you,lagna should fall either in libra or sagittarius.so yours is a bit complicated & Time consuming case of BTR.so check all above vital birth infos first and try to attempt one more time with all your given events.

joyd.

[Vivek Surya]

नमः शिवाय,

I don't use equal house system.
I do use placidus house system.
According to this house system, Mars is in 10th house.

_/\_

astrostar ji, it seems that placidus house system is illogical! Yeah, it make sense that it's illogical, what do you say?!
Yes true, every zodiac isn't equally distributed! Thus some zodiac sign will be more than 30° some zodiac sign will be less than 30°

Yes. father is represented by 10th house.

There's been a discussion going on in the thread, it's as follows:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=37288

Which reminds me, up in north the tradition for father is to look at 10th house (lord Venus)

Virendra, to confirm from what sign father is to be seen, you could refer to that above thread.

[skrajiv]

Virendra Sir,
Please check these two rules also.
1) The Kunda of your D1 should be in trine with your birth nakshatra. Since your moon is Mriga, the kunda as per D1 should either Mriga, Chithra or Dhanishta.
2) Divide the Navamsa Lagna in to 12 parts and see which degree Navamsa Lagna is placed. In odd sign for a guy it should fall in 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, 11th part and for even sign it should be 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 10th or 12th part. For example check the Navamsa Longitude in Jagannatha Hora. If Mesh Navamsa, it should be between 0 to 2.50 degrees, 5.01 to 7.50, 10.01 to 12.50, 15.01 to 17.50, 20.01 to 22.50, 25.01 to 27.50. If however it is in Meena Navamsa Lagna it should be in the slot of 2.51 to 5.00. 7.51 to 10.00, 12.51 to 15.00, 17.51 to 20.00, 22.51 to 25.00 or 27.51 to 30.00.
Also would like to ask you which Ayanamsa you are using to decipher the birth time?

[Virendra]

[quote=joyd post_id=256644 time=1522920204 user_id=18243]
is your birth on 10/11th or 11/12th ? i mean is it on early hours of 11th march or 11th early hours of 12th ?check the week day also,is it thursday vs friday ? or friday vs saturday ?your lagna is in 12th from sun.so your birth time should coincide with plus or minus one hour only.on 11th march of 1984,sun rise was given as 06-44-25 secs.so your birth time is too far from the sun rise timing of that day.Acc to lagna nischay rules,by the given time of you,lagna should fall either in libra or sagittarius.so yours is a bit complicated & Time consuming case of BTR.so check all above vital birth infos first and try to attempt one more time with all your given events.

joyd.
[/quote]
Namaste,
I have been given early morning of 11th. I am Taurus moon sign by that. And yes my nature matches a Taurus very well.

[Virendra]

[quote=skrajiv post_id=256673 time=1523003115 user_id=18972]
Virendra Sir,
Please check these two rules also.
1) The Kunda of your D1 should be in trine with your birth nakshatra. Since your moon is Mriga, the kunda as per D1 should either Mriga, Chithra or Dhanishta.
2) Divide the Navamsa Lagna in to 12 parts and see which degree Navamsa Lagna is placed. In odd sign for a guy it should fall in 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, 11th part and for even sign it should be 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 10th or 12th part. For example check the Navamsa Longitude in Jagannatha Hora. If Mesh Navamsa, it should be between 0 to 2.50 degrees, 5.01 to 7.50, 10.01 to 12.50, 15.01 to 17.50, 20.01 to 22.50, 25.01 to 27.50. If however it is in Meena Navamsa Lagna it should be in the slot of 2.51 to 5.00. 7.51 to 10.00, 12.51 to 15.00, 17.51 to 20.00, 22.51 to 25.00 or 27.51 to 30.00.
Also would like to ask you which Ayanamsa you are using to decipher the birth time?
[/quote]
skrajiv ji,
I checked the Kunda. It goes through Dhanishtha at 4:14 AM, through Mrigashira at 4:19 AM, through Chitra at 4:24 AM.
For the possible time range (04:20 AM IST + or - 10 mins) the navamsha lagna longitude swings and covers both - Meena (27.5 to 30) and Aries (0 to 2.5).
I am using Lahiri ayanamsha.

[Virendra]

Currently trying to box the time in by various divisional charts based on life events, nature etc. Using P.V.R Narasimha Rao's book for the same.
Will let you all know how it goes.

[skrajiv]

Virendra Sir,
Any findings over the course of the last month?

[joyd]

what is the name of that around place near sikar..?

joyd.

[Dr Neeraj]

Dear Virendra

I tried to work on your chart and feel TOB of 04-11-20 seems well connecting your life events.
It's important to note here that divisional charts are an excellent way of BRT.
I used D-7, D-10 to connect your life events.

Major life events -
Campus placement - Apr 2006
Jup MD started. Jup is in 7H of D-10 thus aspecting Lagna, hence it's a gud time for career.

Completion of education (computers) and joining first job - May 2007 in IT MNC
Dasha is Jup-Jup-Ven. Ven is placed in 12H (foreign) of D-10 placed in 4H (Gud time for career)

Health issues and minor accident in 2nd half of 2008
From Apr 2008, AD of Sat started. Sat is debilitated in D-9
From Jup, Ven is 6L which is in an exchange with Sat. Plz note Sat and Ven are in exchange in D-10 too.

Hospitalization in 2nd half of 2009 (Typhoid+Dengue)
Aug 2009, there was AD of Sun, conjunct with Ven (6L from MDL Jup)

Change of job and relocation - Aug 2010
Dasha: Jup-Sat-Jup Sat is 3L/4L in d-10

Wedding - Jan 2013
Dasha: Jup-Mer-Sat
In D-9, Jup is LL and Mer is 7L, Sat aspect 7H in D-1

Daughter - Aug 2016 (after 2 miscarriages for wife)
D-7 Analysis: Lagna is Leo with Sun, Ketu, and Mer in Lagna
MDL Jup is 5L/8L placed in 8H, a tough time for kids but being in own sign it can give kids.
Dasha in Aug 2013: Jup-Ketu
Ketu is placed in Lagna of D-7 and conjunct LL Sun, almost negating kids.
AD of Ven: Ven is 5L for kids, but in D-1 it is conjunct 8L Sun.
In D-7, Ven is in 7H aspecting lagna so it must give kids but Rahu conjunction here gave problems
Finally kid in Aug 2016. It's interesting to note that you got the kid in the AD and PD of 2 negating planets Ven and Ketu. I think its coz of Sun who's LL of D-7.

Travel abroad for work - Jul 2017
AD from July 2017: Moon who's placed in 12H of D-10
From MDL Jup, Moon is in 6H aspecting 12H which indicate foreign.

Some short-term predictions on the basis of this TOB:
1. In the start of 2018, in the PD of Sat, there could have been some change in office/duties/responsibilities.
2. From mid-April, there could have been some unexpected (Mer is 8L of D-10) gains (Mer is 11L of D-10)
3. Mid-June to Mid July, there can be some issues with kids.

I know there can be many views about the BRT but we should keep open-mind and see if our assumed TOB is connecting to life events and satisfying short-term predictions.

God bless you

[Virendra]

[quote="Dr Neeraj" post_id=258709 time=1526053978 user_id=6002]
Dear Virendra

I tried to work on your chart and feel TOB of 04-11-20 seems well connecting your life events.
[u][i][b]It's important to note here that divisional charts are an excellent way of BRT[/b][/i][/u].
I used D-7, D-10 to connect your life events.

[u][b]Major life events - [/b][/u]
Campus placement - Apr 2006
[i]Jup MD started. Jup is in 7H of D-10 thus aspecting Lagna, hence it's a gud time for career.[/i]

Completion of education (computers) and joining first job - May 2007 in IT MNC
[i]Dasha is Jup-Jup-Ven. Ven is placed in 12H (foreign) of D-10 placed in 4H (Gud time for career)[/i]

Health issues and minor accident in 2nd half of 2008
[i]From Apr 2008, AD of Sat started. Sat is debilitated in D-9
From Jup, Ven is 6L which is in an exchange with Sat. Plz note Sat and Ven are in exchange in D-10 too.[/i]

Hospitalization in 2nd half of 2009 (Typhoid+Dengue)
[i]Aug 2009, there was AD of Sun, conjunct with Ven (6L from MDL Jup)[/i]

Change of job and relocation - Aug 2010
[i]Dasha: Jup-Sat-Jup Sat is 3L/4L in d-10[/i]

Wedding - Jan 2013
[i]Dasha: Jup-Mer-Sat
[b][u]In D-9, Jup is LL and Mer is 7L, Sat aspect 7H in D-1[/u][/b][/i]

Daughter - Aug 2016 (after 2 miscarriages for wife)
[i][b]D-7 Analysis[/b]: Lagna is Leo with Sun, Ketu, and Mer in Lagna
MDL Jup is 5L/8L placed in 8H, a tough time for kids but being in own sign it can give kids.
Dasha in Aug 2013: Jup-Ketu
Ketu is placed in Lagna of D-7 and conjunct LL Sun, almost negating kids.
AD of Ven: Ven is 5L for kids, but in D-1 it is conjunct 8L Sun.
In D-7, Ven is in 7H aspecting lagna so it must give kids but Rahu conjunction here gave problems
Finally kid in Aug 2016. It's interesting to note that you got the kid in the AD and PD of 2 negating planets Ven and Ketu. I think its coz of Sun who's LL of D-7.[/i]

Travel abroad for work - Jul 2017
[i] AD from July 2017: Moon who's placed in 12H of D-10
From MDL Jup, Moon is in 6H aspecting 12H which indicate foreign.[/i]

Some short-term predictions on the basis of this TOB:
1. In the start of 2018, in the PD of Sat, there could have been some change in office/duties/responsibilities.
2. From mid-April, there could have been some unexpected (Mer is 8L of D-10) gains (Mer is 11L of D-10)
3. Mid-June to Mid July, there can be some issues with kids.

I know there can be many views about the BRT but we should keep open-mind and see if our assumed TOB is connecting to life events and satisfying short-term predictions.

God bless you
[/quote]

Thanks a lot for the elaborate response Neeraj ji and apologies to other members who were waiting.
I never got to complete my quest.
I will use this and provide feedback asap.

[Virendra]

Regarding your short term predictions:-
1. In the start of 2018, in the PD of Sat, there could have been some change in office/duties/responsibilities.
--- Yes it wasn't a major thing, but happened in last week of March.
2. From mid-April, there could have been some unexpected (Mer is 8L of D-10) gains (Mer is 11L of D-10)
--- Minor, but yes again.
3. Mid-June to Mid July, there can be some issues with kids.
--- Thanks for the heads up.

I know this isn't paid section, but please let me know how I can be of help.

Regards,
Virendra